Board of Health: September 7, 2022

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0:01 All right. Good afternoon everybody. This is Victoria Justice with the building committee. We call them even to order. This is a hybrid meeting number of the public are welcome to attend in this person at the Mary Allen built municipal building seven was a road Marblehead, Massachusetts 01945 or by remote Zoo connection. With the members of the public who wished to watch her participate remotely they may do so by following manner inserting the meeting ID 18 7 6 2 1 3 8 0 0 8 on Zoom or dial in my phone. One, two, five three two, one five eight seven eight two or one 301-715 the passcode 374542. This

0:47 meeting is being recorded. Is there anyone else that wishes to record this meeting? Please raise their hands. right moving forward Todd you want to call the Board of Health meetings order as well? Yes and just for point of order the meeting ID that is on the agenda that you read did not go to the meeting. The one that was in previous meetings did work the four three four seven. Oh one one six five eight. Okay. So the the meeting is posted with meeting ideas 8276213-8008 and I just went to the agenda and clicked right on that and it brought me right to okay. I opened up the zoom meeting. Because I logged into that and it was just a dead didn’t didn’t give

1:32 me anywhere but someone the other ID, but let’s call the Board of Health meetings order as well. and

1:42 I’m sorry. Go right ahead. John’s looking to be recorded John all record the median. I’ll give you a copy of it. I think that’s the easiest thing to do.

1:52 So do we should read what you read Andrew or is it carry over? You should reread what I read. Okay, I don’t have that exact wording. But this meeting will be recorded members of the public who wish to watch or participate may do so by considering the meeting ID 8276213-8008 passcode 374542 or dialing phone number three, one two, six two six six, seven nine nine or six four six five five eight eight, six five six. And if we just have a pulled. vote for who’s present for the Board of Health meeting Miss Joanne Miller president miscellaneously Dr. Bell present, right and let’s just have a motion. Please that when the transfer station

2:40 facility committee meeting is over. The Board of Health will automatically be insurance.

2:48 Miller in favor, miscellaneously favorite doctor in favor. Thank you. It’s all you enter. Thank you. So up first as we review the traffic studying. So we have a traffic study prepared by vhg has everybody had an opportunity to read this. Okay. Yes. So there are two we received an addendum from vhp on August 24th. So I’m Nicole the first piece the option A and the second piece option b, so I’ll go through some of the highlighted areas that I’ve pulled up from the traffic studying and then we can discuss them just so this is from BHD August 15th,

3:33 2012. The proposed circulation Plan called The Green Tree driveway to be open to entering residential commercial users and maintain existing container truck access in egress under the new plan Terrace driveway will be used they existing residential and Commercial users. No vehicle will enter the site from which comparis driver. The specifically specifically evaluation summarized in its memorandum includes the following an existing conditions assessment including new traffic mounts or a view of existing commercial weight scale activity and a safety evaluation and evaluation of the future Transportation conditions with the project. A summary of the changes to the product site and conclusions potential recommendations that can further

4:20 refine and fine-tune future vehicle operations.

4:29 The following conclusions and recommendations are provided based on an evaluation presented in this memorandum. The project will improve vehicular safety and eliminate Q spillbacks onto Beacon Street by moving the entrance away from whipped and terrorists to Green Street. The project will have relatively minimal impacts of the operations at the intersections of Green Street at WestShore drive and at Pittman Road as well as Green Street in general the site will provide storage for up to 25 to 30 vehicles of on-site queuing for the time periods. When the vehicles must wait for the gates to open a g in the morning and during the lunch break when the facility is close one the Q storage that will be available minimize the potential for long cues to still vacant Green Street.

5:15 Commercial waste scale activity represents about five to six percent of the total activity and will be accommodated entirely on the site and result of the proposed circulation changes a gate internal to the site is recommended to allow residential vehicles and vehicles using commercial weigh scale to cure during the time periods prior to opening and during the lunch break. The approximate location of the proposed date is shown on the include cycling. I did bring a site plan today and we can go over that after I kind of go through all these recommendations. The existing gate at the end of the Green Street should remain in place and will be opened 15 to 20 minutes prior to the opening on the transfer station the further minimize queuing on Green Street. Traffic operations on and surrounding the site should be

6:01 monitored after the project is complete to determine any additional requirements to site operations are needed. Overall, the analysis presented in this memorandum indicates that the project can be constructed with minimal impacts to the surrounding Transportation infrastructure. The project will improve safety among Vegan Street and we’ll provide sufficient on-site storage for vehicles that need to queue during periods when the transfer station and disposed to customers.

6:38 So this is the existing facility. Obviously, this is what we call this is woodpen Terrace. It comes right here and on to Beacon Street and then this is the Green Street. So with proposal a all traffic residential and Commercial would enter through the Green Street entrance. We would place a gate. You know, they have an exact location up in the news locations. So traffic and queue all the way in our on our property. So they wouldn’t be spilling out onto Green Street or onto Whitman Terrace are on Topeka Street. So the gate would be open. So this is the main gate that’s there now, we would Electrify that gate have it on a remote control. Ideally, that would be a solar operated system.

7:23 So in the morning my guys when they come to work, that would gate would be opened and then you’d have second gates up in here. This is where the commercial traffic. Yep, the 15 to 20 minutes. Is that the gate down in Green Street of a new game? Yeah the gate down at Green Street. So this it’s seven o’clock 15 to 20 minutes before. Yeah. So our operations open at 7:30. So the recommending that we open to the public 15 to 20 minutes before regular scheduled time and everybody know that so they won’t be a backup on to Green Street. That’s correct. I mean, they never come before seven o’clock. They sent to start to come around 7 o’clock, but we would have the people. And seven minutes. Yeah, as soon as we come into the facility, we could open up many different than one threatening here. Yeah, so they’re

8:11 recommending 15 to 20 minutes before Anthony. And then yes, you would have an internal date one for the residential and then one for commercial all the way up here. So yes your commercial could go all the way up. And start the queue and then same thing with your residential obviously you have a point where this is a single Lane. It’s pretty wide, but you can’t have two lanes of traffic there. So if you’re commercial back all the way down to here, it would start to stop but you could you know, queue all the way down here. Then your residential once we opened up at 7:30 in the morning or one o’clock in the afternoon residential traffic would go to the right and Commercial traffic go to the left into the scale. So at lunch time too, there’s somebody who have to be there to open up the gate early or is it not as a service? It’s

8:57 not as important. It’s really about controlling the access pass this area. So they could still queue up at lunch time. The other piece is obviously are trash trailers. So we take two trash trailers out of the facility a day. So one comes in one leaves one comes in one leaves. So we need to control that time too. They also recommend that we have kind of a dedicated time. We want these trailers. We need to be operational in the morning. So we would like the trailer to come in, you know, they need to be there by 7 AM to get us all unloaded and generally they come in around 6:30. But sometimes they do come in earlier and they just do that on their own without your yeah. That’s correct. They do that on their own they have a they have a key so they can come and go as they free. They can open that gate they can open that gate. Yep, because

9:44 we’re not there at 6:30 in the morning. So they come in at 6:30 open the game and currently because it’s not operational. It’s locked. It’s manual. They will park over here walk over under the gate the drive through park again and close the gate up. So thank you. Okay so we can get the comments later on but

10:08 And then obviously, like I said, you know they have this whole internal space for queuing up. Commercial would go over here. So because we don’t know this traffic plan or this is what we have to figure out and decide on. CE we decide on the traffic plan. We then can start to place the buildings for the scale house the break room. We know we’re gonna build the swap s*** and this swap shed and this location and then we’re talking about a transaction group in this area. One of the main features with coming in this way are one of the things that we will have to do so, we’ll still need to check stickers. And so what we’re proposing is that you would use it’s an automatic sticker Checker. So it’s similar to speed pass. So you would register all everybody would sign up to get a sticker it would register their license plates and it would

10:55 be a license plate computer as you come in facility. So that would help with making sure everybody it still has a sticker or for commercial people that don’t have stickers. They would get run in and then have to be read out and so it would be deleted off the list. Would also open up the gate the sticker paths. No, it would not because once the gates open for the day, it’s gonna stay open. And then obviously the front gate will have to be up in the morning too, you know at 7:30.

11:27 Operational the second the be proposal is to have residential traffic coming here and Commercial traffic come back our come back through with Compares and exit. It would have been Terrace. So you still have the cueing up on within Terrace potentially up to Beacon Street. And you also had this circular motion that you have to deal with so would not commercial traffic, you know for option to be commercial traffic would not come in and yeah.

11:56 Commercial traffic is probably a bad term it traffic. Yeah, I mean it’s pretty traffic. But we call it commercial. Yeah, there’s also commercial traffic in the form of landscaping. That’s true. That’s okay won’t be no. No, that’s right. So they obviously we have epic and Landscape. Yeah, we have a couple different activities. We have the recycling area and then we do have the yard waste area and we do sell facility stickers to residential landscapers so they can dispose of residential land, you know, landscaping material. And so yeah, you do have some commercial traffic but all the numbers the commercial is five to six percent the total. Yeah, you expect like at 7 o’clock in the morning to be backing up. I mean, they may not

12:42 be any more than what that line holds on which continents Family, thank you. It always is more than yeah simple. five percent of what so we can get into the traffic volumes and they have it all so traffic volumes are This Is How They complete the study and look at the facts based on an understanding of the area roadway Network the expected Transportation characteristics of the projects. The following traffic count data was selected 74 automatic traffic order ATR accounts collected vehicle volumes and classifications on Beacon Street East the Green Street in Green Street south of Westshore Drive the council conducted from Maine Thursday, May 19 to Saturday,

13:29 May 21st. ATR accounts collected vehicular volumes and classification at the transfer station access point on Beacon Street on Thursday, May 19 to Wednesday, May 25th. Turning movement counts tmcs were conducted at the intersection of Green Street at WestShore drive and Pittman Road on Thursday, May 19 between 7 and 9:00 am in two to four pm. And on Saturday May 21st, 2022 between 10am and the daily peak hour traffic volumes are presented on bigger two and three respectively the detailed traffic data sheets are provided in the ethics. transfer station Commercial activity vhp obtained records from commercial scale activity and

14:16 pit usage at the transfer station for the period of Monday May 3rd through Saturday, May 15th, 2021 to determine the amount of heavy-duty commercial activities that occurs in the site the commercial scale operations daily from 7:30 AM to 325 PM, but the exception of Sunday when the transfer station is closed the transfer station is also poses between 12 and 1pm each day. We’re scheduled lunch break the analysis time period for the review of the commercial scale activity from 2021 was selected to be consistent the traffic counts that were concluded in May of 2022 since the scale activity from the 2022 was not available at the time of the study both the number of transactions the vehicle weights were recorded and documented.

15:01 People won’t show the amount of daily scale activity in detailed commercial scale activity is provided in the appendix. So I’m reading.

15:13 At the Green Street cycle provide 25 to 30 Vehicles. That’s right. So with 5% is all of the commercialists. That’s that’s one and a half difference. So transactions for commercial activity from seven to eight AM there’s four transactions from eight to nine. Am was 9 transactions from 9 to 10 AM. It was 9 transactions from 10 to 11AM was 11 transactions from 11 to 12 of 9, right so happenings. No, those were the commercial activities at that time. Well, those are the commercials were the commercial activities. Yeah, so 249 and vehicles so between seven and eight was four and between eight and nine am was nine. Between 9:00 am and 10 AM was 9 between 10

16:01 and 11 was 11 between 11 and 12 with 9, which is one in five percent. Yes.

16:08 They’re talking the total vehicles of 1100 a day.

16:14 I’m just trying to decide about the how many vehicles are waiting at 7 o’clock in the morning you said nine? And then logical course and seven o’clock commercial so that they can all be held up on that road and with my parents. So if you have so at 7 am at the gates closed they’re already on which would’ve been terrorists and potentially backing up onto Vegan Street. Yeah, you just said they are they corrected me that they were right for the game would be closed. Right? So you would still have queuing up onto the public rules at that time. But not if it’s just four vehicles. Yeah, because the gates closed and they’re on within Terrace in

17:00 other words the adequate billions of sitting in for an hour. No, so the gate would open at 7:30 and that’s when they would start to come into the facility. You can look at a similar way of opening that gate now vhp does go on to take a look at the crashes during and talks about some of that so we can get into some of that and where they’re recommending all and you know all enter from Green Street both commercial and residential so you don’t have this, you know possibility of people thinking oh if some commercial practice entering with it. Oh, maybe that’s the entrance and then you start to have residents starting to line up with the commercial activities. So figure it out but significance, that’s okay. All right, I just was I’m thinking

17:45 about when you say the queuing in this gonna be on the street and it’s for vehicles at seven o’clock and Whatever they are seven through because I don’t have that dark in front of me. I’m sorry. It’s very good. We just

18:01 So seven to eight it’s four vehicles. They can certainly sit and wait the Ada card to nine o’clock. People aren’t going to be there between so seven and eight. So these no seven across will already be taken care of within that hour. Maybe it’s not a cause of the sticking up. Okay. Thank you. And just a question that sort of operational I see that the queuing. And one to two is there any possibility of not closing at lunch? So the issue would not close in at lunchtime is that it takes a minimum of three employees to run the facility. So you have to have one person operates a scale. You have to have one person that watches the trucks unload into the

18:48 pay and then you have to have one person out in the residential area watching recycling activities. So you don’t get done with household hazardous waste, you know items that should be taking care of appropriately.

19:02 three six

19:05 volumes and stuff like that has shown on table 3 a total of 1100 Vehicles assess the transfer station on the busiest weekday of the count period in 2022 and an average of 62 Vehicles asked access the commercial scale on a weekday. Motor vehicle crashes three reported motor vehicle class data for the new right intersections of Beacon Street and Terrace Green Street at Beacon Street Green Street at Westwood Drive. And Pittman Road was came from last year T and the town of Marblehead Police Department for the time period of January 2017 through May 2022 the summary of the crash data at the intersections presented as in table 4 the detailed crash data is providedness the table shows that a total of 14 crashes were reported your second

19:53 Jason to the grandfather station since 2017 the intersection of Beacon Street At Whitman chairs experience the most patches that with eight total crashes over the review period With most of the crashes classified as a side swipe these collisions could be results of conflicts between on-street parking that occurs along the north new side of Beacon Street and activity along with Pinterest.

20:23 So I have a question about this because I think safety is absolutely one of our priorities and I really appreciate this breakdown with respect to the configuration that we’ve had through 2017 through 2022. But without a quantitative comparison of you know, I think that our Consultants clearly did a lot of analysis of plan a but with Plan B You know, they did Issue some supplemental evaluation, but it wasn’t a quantitative analysis. So comparing those two things. I do

21:10 have to raise a concern that not a concern just a question that we’ve got this compelling data about plan a and the fact that having these cars. Diverted to the access road, you know. May have be impacting these numbers. But if it’s 90 to 95% of the cars are diverted to the access road and five or six percent of the cars are the bigger, you know, the pit cars and commercial hits would be potentially going in within Terrace. It would I would. pause it that There would be a similar safety evaluation safety

21:58 benefits. To plan B as well, potentially that that makes sense. I does I believe it was actually, you know, I believe it was addressed in the supplemental Transportation evaluation where they talked about if you have commercial vehicles entering and exiting through within Terrace, you could potentially still have queuing up on within and on Beacon. And so therefore you would still have a potential for these side sites white collisions. okay, I can’t imagine but I’m also just considering numbers if you’re already taking 95. 94 to 95% of the volume and bringing it over to the access road therefore reducing

22:44 the volume and printing with vinterest site. 95 to 94% which I believe the consultant said our meeting when he was here that that was low number. But not that low like, you know percentage points single digit percentage points. Because safety is a very important interest, but I’m I am asking since we don’t have the quantitative analysis on Plan B. I think the conversation would be valuable to think about is that safety still valid with Plan B. I think the other concern with Plan B is that with having commercial vehicles using within as we enter an exit, you might

23:31 be confusing residents that oh, I should be going with them to enter and now it’s not the engines for them. They can’t go through there. Now they have to turn around and go back down to Green Street. And so that’s another increase in potential accidents and I have a question. Yeah who benefited? in any way from

23:57 reducing the 1100 vehicles. At no end on an average day. by dining vehicles What we have time.

24:12 I think that.

24:16 I heard I had a meeting in this room with some of the abutting neighbors to the transfer station who brings some very, you know. very impactful concerns that originally, I mean, I remember our first meeting on the transfer station since I was elected where we were asked to talk about plan a or Plan B, and we were looking at a very confusing. You know. arguably chaotic path of traffic for the people that have transfer station and that engaged a different conversation where people started to explore the access road as an opportunity to bring traffic into the transfer station and it was such a

25:06 welcome solution. I know everyone in town was excited. Oh, here’s a wonderful opportunity to solve for this chaotic confusion that we had been evaluating and however at that same meeting when that solution was raised some people who a butt and live close by transfer station, you know said well, We were told you know that this road wasn’t going to be used and historically that had been understanding. And then they were really concerned about the impacts that this. significant volume of traffic was going to impede on put on the burden in their neighborhood and they really did, you

25:52 know make some really important points about safety and and also, you know

26:00 the challenge that that would be to living happily in their homes in the neighborhood where they had bought property and understood that that road wasn’t used so so I am really interested in just exploring. I am committed to exploring how we can proceed to make our transfer station. Optimal well, also considering the the neighbors that live nearby and I think you know originally they’re concerned was Green Street and having you know, lots of traffic piled up on Green Street Wings to get in and I’m so grateful that you know, we’ve had these robust conversations and had consultants and professionals coming up with ways to solve for that and having this

26:47 gate open earlier. I think it’s a really impressive solution, but there’s also some other concerns I’m taking into account and I believe that it is reasonable to look at this option and if we can get some of the heavier commercial traffic away from the access road. and safely bring it into the transfer station and put it into the pits and then have those trucks leave. I just want to have a really I really want to consider this. I want everyone’s opinions because I think it’s I think it’s very reasonable and I think that they’re concerns

27:32 if we can obviously we can’t go back in time and say oh, you know, guess what we’re not going to use the access road, but certainly we can see if there is a way to protect That Community close by I mean really close by we’re all the time. Yes, sir. My question was didn’t I answer the question my question one who benefited by reducing a traffic flow Of 1300 or 1100 View. by 9 years which and and by the way There are almost no. Every year. Thank you.

28:19 it’s Right, they use with it. Oh when they go to it, there are a couple of trucks but a pretty good size, but all the local trash guys, you know take that trucks for their slightly bigger than an F-150 pickup. There are almost no diesel vehicles involved. At all in terms of noise. So again Who benefits? By that reduction in traffic other than a well we don’t allow commercial vehicles. What the hell? whereas we do because a very significant number of vehicles that go up the hill our Landscaping rules.

29:06 That we don’t. And they are still many of the other way. So understand you’re concerned that I know but the bottom line That they’ve gone what happened to be done every day. and if you’re going to open. The green screen entrance the access well, which I think we’ve been most assuming we’re going to do. then doing a less. efficient solution at the pit to avoid this means 40. and 90

29:52 vehicle passages a day out of between 1100 and 1300 it’s yeah, it doesn’t it doesn’t make any sense to me and because That there’s a lot of talk about smoking them big trucks and all the boys and that just isn’t the fact that I transfers. We just don’t have that. There’s three big noisy jobs. And they’ve been coming around every year and ideally through with that three big noisy trucks. Yeah, the the big the big trailer, you know, the loud noisy diesel trucks. And the big trailers, but all the the

30:38 big tractors and all the base trailers and trash off. twice that those are the big going trucks and everything else just but he’s back. Thank you. Same big same size vehicles. You know in the large Park. And there is one big truck from sound down the guns once every couple of weeks. That doesn’t make any noise and it probably is a deal shot but like this and obviously we’re trying to design a facility for 50 years actually how to see we’re hoping that technology you get better but I understand I’m trying to you know deal with the issues of today. Yeah, the idea is that

31:24 Hopefully 10-15 years. We’re not seeing a lot of gas vehicles going into these facilities, but obviously those are still the issues today. So I understand. I had a question about so does the cap dictate where the buildings have to go? Yes. Okay, so that’s set that is so we’re working around that correct. And what was the original charge to the traffic consultant? And then what was what precipitated the second option nothing. So the original charge was for BHP to look at the traffic flow of the facility, but really we can look traffic flow, you know, just residential traffic come in through Green Street. Um or just you know and Commercial traffic come in through within Terrace or just all traffic come in through

32:11 Green Street in all traffic leave. Okay, so they were looking at the original it existing and then coming up with yeah.

32:20 Yeah, but we had before they were high in the table the Board of Health discuss two options and I don’t believe that they will give that information but the two options at that time were go back to the town and ask for a six million dollars to complete the original projects or do a skill down project. And so with your scale down projects you have a traffic flow issue. And so that’s why you’re at the higher. You know, we’re looking at the traffic flow right now. The traffic Loop doesn’t work hard. It doesn’t work as well. It could at the facility. It’s this roundabout motion with residential and Commercial crossing over each other. And when we saw that there was this Criss-Cross in several points

33:07 the board saw that we made. Well, it was actually in the architect that came up with it as we were discussing and that there was a second option. And then we said we’ll go we will form this committee this particular committee. And so that’s where I’m talking about the second option. Once we realize that they’ll have preserves having the commercial. I mean, yes. Hello. Okay the architect. Data, yeah, which assuming 40% of the traffic not right to 6% notifications the minute he thought that amazing. It had been a significant portion.

33:52 Of the vehicle traffic on a daily basis. Because nobody really knew nobody knows you know, and so people say oh you see these trucks there all the time. They must be pouring through here constantly, but they don’t That’s you know that they’re not they’re only looks like it a lot of them in a jammed up all the time now. Because they have to come in. They have to dodge the guy with the television set. They have to dodge the guy that’s walking over to talk to somebody they and they have to get on the scale and come back around in the circle and they get on the scale again, and then they have to pull out and back in and that stops all the traffic in and out of completely. And you know, so it looks like there’s this huge

34:40 operation room. And we thought we were all shocked. When we found out that this was all bound up because of the traffic. And it was infected. You know, what percent five percent? Oh, yeah. That’s the number that’s what it is. So like if you ask Deana now. I can guarantee you what his answer is going to be. That was a solution to a problem that didn’t exist to a problem that we thought was you know, there were a lot more commercial traffic. That would be coming up the road all the time it pointed back. You know if you get one commercial truck.

35:26 every five or six minutes in amongst the other traffic going up. From Green Street, that would be a lot. And Joanne that would be a physical on the second page of the supplemental Transportation evaluation the conclusions for this comparison on August 15 Point 2 evaluation indicated that the preferred we configuration acid capacity to accommodate all queuing that occurs prior to opening and during the lunch break deep into the site and eliminating impacts the wooden chairs and Vegan Street. The alternative reconfiguration has a potential to continue to result in some queuing on to whip and terrorists during these time periods, as a result of commercial a scale Vehicles waiting for episodes the

36:12 alternative reconvenation Also may also result in queues on with various, even though in the gates are open as a commercial vehicles access will only be able to store approximately for vehicles related to the way scale. The preferred reconfiguration will prohibit all entering the vehicles from using woodpen Terrace access point require all vehicles to travel to the Green Street driveway. The alternative reconfiguration will continue to allow Vehicles using the commercial weigh scale to enter the site from Woodland Terrace. The alternatively configuration will require system of signage and enforcement to prevent residential users from entering would be Terrace residential users attempting to enter the site from wooden chairs has the potential for additional vehicle conference.

37:00 Based on the safety evaluation presented in the August 15th, 2022 memorandum the intersection of Beacon Street At Whitman Terrace experience a total eight crashes between 2017 and 2019. Six of which were side slaves the bird reconfiguration will eliminate queues of Woodland Terrace and thereby reduce Associated vehicle conflicts and congestion on Vegan Street with minimal additional impacts to Green Street. Well, the alternative we can figure it will reduce some of the vehicle conflicts by removed by moving a large percent of entering vehicles to Green Street. It will not be as beneficial as preferred reconfiguration and reducing moments.

37:43 Thank you. I I am grateful to have that analysis. I I just don’t know that it’s the balance and Analysis that would speak to you know, they’re not.

38:04 I I think it’s an interesting conversation because we talk about four vehicles is it you know poor vehicles at eight seven between seven and eight in the morning and that cue is

38:20 is I can’t do the math in my head right now, but

38:30 be contrast so greatly with the volume that we’re talking about when everybody’s cube in there at seven between seven and in the morning, so

38:42 But thank you. I appreciate that. I wondered if so. In trying to address some of the concerns. Would it be possible so over here? There’s a there’s a much bigger buffer between the residential here. And is there was there any thought or is this part of the cap to moving it over within this right of way to get it away from and maybe do buffering or is this? Part of the cat. It’s not part of the cabinet area, but it’s unsuitable material. So there’s deep key. And yeah, so originally we’re supposed to do a storm water beast in that area with the Pete wouldn’t even support the stormwater Basin. So you have to

39:29 move that storm water base and over to by blueberry. So, you know, they’re that area is a concern because if you start to slide the road over that area the room might start to sink into the ground. Okay. We already have some slight Road issues in there, but our understanding is that it should stop at some point. But if you start to slide that road over you’re gonna get into that people and then the other thing is is this one way for everyone. Yeah. Okay, so could it be except for the trash trucks large trash trucks that leave come and go twice again? Okay, so I wondered if it could be narrowed again. This seems to be where it’s closest these two properties and then it then

40:14 Further away here, but these two properties are closest if it could be narrow. So if we narrow it, um, there’s some large legend that area that they’re wall sits on. Yeah, it’s something that we could explore but you’d have to do a lot of Excavating to you know, plant trees and stuff like that. Yeah, and you know that we should significant costs. Okay, and it’s just wondering it mitigating would be awesome possible. You know, this this happens a lot when you know new school goes in people live on the street where there’s not a lot of cars and then the queuing starts and you know, so we try to think of ways to mitigate it so they have people in the morning similar to this waiting and so we

41:01 try to think of ways to mitigate Then option b that’s what the two to me seems that a little chaotic. You know having two different things, I guess it could be signed really really well and a lot of educational materials but it seems like the biggest cue is and it makes sense. You know, they go to lunch and then they drop off their stuff before they go back to the site. That’s the biggest cue and ten cars there out on Beacon is a lot of trucks is a lot. This has 500 feet about four queuing which is better. But then and that’s approximately 25

41:46 to 30 Vehicles. You could queue on-site. Yeah. So anyway, it it seems a little chaotic but I just wonder what other mitigation measures could be because there is a you know, it’s a driveway that is not used much and now it’s being used. So that’s a change and yeah people are concerned for sure. So you better concerns are acoustic in exhaust. And time again and some day yarn. So has it there been any consideration to erect defense that might block that noise and maybe see because the box and never gonna be able to block the noise understood you can diminish it. I don’t think Dimension because of the vaccinating how close everything is, okay?

42:34 Have questions who will be enforcing the no idling. So that’s a good question. So, you know the top you’d have to put up signs. You have to have some education beginning but you couldn’t expect my employees to do like no idling because they’d have to be walking the line. That’s why would be enforcing. Yes. So that would be that’s always a problem around town. Um Becky who was supposed to enforce anyway now and you know, I mean I guess ultimately but it’s yeah it’s not allowed but people do it all the time, especially in the winter, you know when they’re doing it but you know signage and periodic enforcement I guess is the best way but it’s a hard thing, but we do that

43:20 I don’t know because I’ve asked the police makes that they don’t enforce knowling law. Okay. So that’s something that we’d have to look at. They don’t they will not they said really when did you end? What was a couple years ago? And they said they don’t they’d have to document what time the car started idling and what time they finished at making sure it was more than five minutes and they don’t have time for that. I can be amazed. Yeah. Yeah, so that’s why I’m wondering if the neighbors rightly so are going to complain about the exhaust and if nobody’s enforcing it, they’re gonna Get used to the fact they don’t have to turn off their engine. Yeah, but that it is breaking the change the changing everything that’s doing them. Yeah, they do the

44:06 changing of the the a flow pattern is not going to no it’s not there is that’s a problem. but I’m just gonna be a i as far as and we’re looking at no standing signs at the Green Street, and apparently that’s on the select. the selecting and direct The highway department of whoever put up the signs. But only they can that was on the public way that you went on here, right? Okay. But anyway, so

44:41 But then you have to go to the police here and we need you and unfortunately the time of day that we’re talking about this. is school our school, you know stay awake to a drive for that same time because That was going on there. So the chance of getting a police officer you come up to the doctor and say no standing and then but it’s something we’re going to have today. No look at and possibly come home to give you a little history. When the Board of Health I go to you know, right when they did it mainly because of the delivery trucks and the tour buses in front of advert Hall. The bigger noisier diesel kind it’s a state line, but we I think

45:28 we did. Yeah all the things that we and

45:36 so I don’t think if you say there’s no diesel. I mean they they are right a few DMX and that’s a lot of landscaping trucks that will still enter Green Street, correct? Yeah, how many of those are diesel virtue very few but small people don’t use diesel trucks anymore because I think the fuel difference must be the reason there’s significant more expensive than gasoline. But all that they last longer and whatever but if you next time you buy gas, look at what how much people are paying for people. Yeah, I mean it’s like in the future a lot and Visually used.

46:15 He’s so that’s my only thing why they’re not nobody’s used. And so I think some comments about time of day access. You know, let’s talk about that now. Well is it? Oh we yeah. Yeah approach the yeah, of course. Okay. Could I just hear something, please? Yeah, I am asked I recorded it’s some of the questions that were asked last time were on our minutes since they were and I was told that if they don’t identify themselves that their questions happening for me. So if they would like their questions to be recorded they may want to identify themselves. So I can’t require that you don’t worry.

47:02 You don’t have to require you. Excuse me, sir. It’s the job benefits. No questions. We’re not we are questions or anybody’s questions. We’re not recorded last time because the people in the audience not identify themselves if anybody wish it questions to be recorded in Minutes, I think I was told by our recording but our administrator. The people into identify themselves, but that’s not true. That’s not true. No. So the question I told the audience don’t have to be part of the minutes. It’s you know, we bought all the mean laws. It’s not required of all the questions be recorded. That’s why I’m asking you with what it is. Well, it’s just but I was like, yeah, we could just know go

47:49 right ahead sir, but wait man finish my sentence, okay. I was looking to see what the questions were less. Okay, just to review in my head what people had by their minds. Yep, and they weren’t there. So I asked and that was the answer I got so we’re corrected that they can refreshingly recordings that reported. Well the names and yes, thank you.

48:13 Okay. Would you like my name? My name is Richard fosler. I’m at for our Terrace. So my my property is right there. So the year the corner unit right there my little corner. Okay, so I deal with the trucks coming in from 4:30 in the morning onward. and from last week’s meeting to today’s meeting we’ve gone from three deliveries. A day to now too. I don’t know what happened in the last week. So is it is it two or is it three so it’s two but we also might some other heavy Vehicles some large tractor trailers for The Yard Waste as well. Well, yes

49:00 you do and and those are diesel vehicles. That’s great. And so there and then you know three ways because you know, that’s right. Yeah Westshore drive and everywhere else and and they’re using it so so my concern here is that once this is open whether whether the cwt shows up that 4:30, or they show up at 6:30 is once again is open. It’s left over. So anybody can access the transfer station from that point on? And so it’s not close Okay, so he doesn’t close it. Okay, so I can talk to the driver about that. But ideally like I said, it’s an automatic gate. So we prevent the driver from getting out of the truck opening together what

49:48 your proposing yeah. Yes. Yeah. I understand understand but that’s you know, I’m just telling as I see it today because like I say, I’m about 20 feet. Above his exhaust when he when he rolls through so that being said. The thing that concerns me now, I think you you stayed the gates gonna potentially go somewhere up in here. Yeah right where that blue line is right there. Yeah. Oh this blue. Yeah. Okay. So so now an ideally like you have aside from residential and the commercial could go up into that green and go all the way to that second blue line up there as well. Well, but but then again if you if what you’re saying is is right. Now you’re seeing four to five vehicles. You’re probably

50:36 not going to be In this area where the abutters are if that’s a long enough area. That’s correct. And if they’re the first vehicles coming through were commercial, they’re gonna go up onto that green and they’re gonna queue up there. Well now doesn’t the cwt truck come in he comes and turns around and then backs into here. Yeah, so he’s gonna have to just use that lower Road and that’s gonna be it. Yeah is that mean there’s gonna have to be some some sort of turnaround. There’s a that gravel area that I can turn. Okay. Yeah. So that being said, what does does concern me on the on the two sides? And I think this goes to a safety issue is if people are doing up here

51:22 in the world is not wide enough is I think you stated if you’ve got a meant like coming in here how you’re gonna clear this area. Um, if the transfer station is shut down to get the emergency vehicles in there to clear this area such that you can get the med-flight in and get it back out. So if we had a med plate situation, obviously it’s not, you know, the accident occurs. It takes quite a bit of time from that point to actually get here. So you’d have at least a half hour to clear the area. Okay. All right. So I just want that, you know as a consideration because you can’t turn around and and if you know, I see just open up the gates and have everybody go through and even at that time and I know one of the one of the

52:08 hazards ways this was before the Panic, um people were queuing up all the way. Yeah and all the way down. That’s right. And if one of the cwt Talks show up now, usually you have a lot of weekends and I don’t think the role on Saturdays. I’m not sure but they could be so ideally that we stay with the current so household hazardous space collection. The way it goes where it’s done at the home and not not at the facility. Yeah, one of the benefits of covid I guess. Yeah. So, so anyway, that was a concern that if this is queued up and you’ve got a commercial now, you’ve got a blockage. Yeah, you know, and and I don’t know how you dress it right? And then final point that I have obviously that direct you know, what how you

52:55 correct is that you would open up the facility you have to move those cars through and then the truck you right right, and and now you Is this access in an egress position for the for the you know the cwt trucks? I can’t remember what you said the commercials on that commercial. That’s all I Trash Talk. Um, what about what about City Vehicles, you know Public Works and things like that. Are they are they using this for egress? Yeah, so they’d have this ball the traffic flow as well. So they would enter in Green Street and then they were exit within Terrace, but if they’re coming in because they may if there’s a bad weather

53:42 or anything they could be coming in all hours day and night. That’s just the way the operations are. Yes, that’s correct. Um, but is there a transfer station employee? Available to the city so that this all gets opened up properly and done problems. Yeah, it’s generally if there’s like a weather event. So plowing my guys are called in and so the facilities opened up at that time gates are opened up so we can plow in and out or whether events there’s a couple of departments that have keys the facility that you focus, but but I think that the you know this and and if we go to up here with Woodfin, yeah, you’re considering wooden a public correct as

54:29 opposed to the access. That’s correct. Okay, so that’s why you’re coming up with because even with this egress you you still have a potential of siteswiping with vehicles turning out on the vehicles. That’s right, you know. Yeah that that’s good happened God. Oh, it doesn’t happen, but you know, so so That’s just what I’m hearing and I don’t understand the two different, you know variables because when I bought my my unit in back in in 1991, you know, I was specifically told it would never be used and then when they had to cap the the dump

55:14 they were saying well, we’re only going to use it the the access road and clear it out so that we could get the construction vehicles in and out and then it’ll be closed up and now we’re here. So anyway, thank you for your time.

55:30 Any other questions from the audience? just

55:35 happen anymore. Or nothing more to find World tricks with part of the part of the dependent online. Yes. So we no matter what we have to go back to planning board. I’m not sure if we have to go back to zoning board. If you’re not building a new building we are so, you know in that case then we would have to go back to do both. Obviously The Architects would be in charge of all that so yeah, we have to Quality process. Of West meeting we were told that we would go to the planning board after we made a decisions. Yeah. So once you designed the facility, why would we go to them after we make the decision and then they say well we told them that that road is going to be closed and would have six sticks well word and we’ve already made a decision to keep it open because

56:22 you have to make a proposal to them and then they have to rule one. Yeah, what if they were on this they want then you have to come back and you bring them Assemble Yeah, you have the buildings designed right which isn’t done yet. That’s correct. So when the buildings are designed that’s when you go to the plane and decide on the traffic full of finalizing design. So what no, that’s why yeah, you can do the traffic design. the finalize the design and it’s all because of where you’re going to place the scale house. And then the employee break room. That’s the real discussion. So if you’re having commercial traffic come in and around here. As you know for Plan B, then you have to read you

57:07 have the site that building in a way that you can see everything. If you have commercial vehicles coming around this is gonna have to be a call box in the middle area so they can talk to the scale house. That’s gonna happen to cameras for the scale out so they can see behind them and see how much traffic is gearing up. And then obviously that they’re gonna have to be able to do a transaction window. So that’s dictating where the scale is going to go. Yeah, go with option A and the commercial there’s gonna be a call box here and then obviously, you know, we think the scale is gonna go here, but that’s all has to be decided. They would talk to the scale. They would tell them to pull up get on the scale don’t. perform on scale again and then go and complete your transaction that would give us this additional area to do we could

57:54 place the employee breakdown anywhere we wanted to or what Beth best useful to say would be Like I said the swap shop, you know what’s going here? This isn’t a captain this area was designed to build. For the swap shop. So that’s in the landfill closure plans. Establish Swap Shop there the transaction booth on would just be a very small like so the idea with moving when you have this automatic sticker, you know automated sticker Checker like, you know, the, you know, I that we’re gonna have We would try to push up all your transactions to online. So if you wanted to get rid of a TV now you go to the scale house you pay for the TV and then you dispose of it. Now you go online pay for the disposal and your print out check in

58:40 with the attendant and then he can tell you give the sticker and then you can drop it off you try to move a lot of transactions to online and remove this see it’s much quicker transactions must smoother process and removing some of these transactions that would take place on site. I’m same thing. If you want to buy a recycling stick, you know, a recycling toader all that stuff to be purchased online you’re bringing the receipt and you show you where they are and there wouldn’t be any need to have a second cash box back there. But that building could be a very basic it could be a container building. It could be very similar to the new, you know tourist food. That’s at the intersection downtown something very basic where some small transactions. Yes, it would probably be heated and AC unit within many split system and ideally

59:25 same thing. There’s a powerful Next to get its power from ideally it’s solar operated in totally off the ground, but that’s all we talk about it. Andrew wouldn’t it? We would need a bathroom too, right? Now so you’re their bathroom would be in the employee break room. So we’d have two bathrooms on the site one on the scale house and then one in the employee break room, you need a full shower for the employees in case they happen to have a hazardous Simpsons that gets on I think the automation that you’re describing. Is Forefront because with respect to making it safer for everybody instead of getting out of the card? Of course, it’s delightful to

1:00:11 go talk to hey and Marty so good. I’ve been in that place enough to see that it’s like a place people like to go and visit but it’s also if we can put those transactions online that will keep a lot of people out of correctly harm this way and we’re stopping and slowly traffic. Yeah. So good Electronics from residential people still get dropped off at the same place. No, so we relocate them to more of that recycling area. So we’d have a different Dropout for electronics. We’d have it probably read by that transaction movie and then on and so obviously you pay for the monitors and then the additional electrons and the Red Cross been red Crosswinds would be the stand location. So,

1:00:58 the residents

1:01:03 The traffic flu is very similar to what it is now. Okay, so residents come in up, you know, they can have access to All Recycling go around and then hit all the boxes or the residents can come up and go to the yard waste area my background, but they’d all leave and they would hug the side of the thing. So the furthest on the outside and do they break down the commercial vehicle not the commercial but the vehicle crash incidents as to whether they were commercial vehicles or not. They did not you know. It’s because you can look at I don’t know. I haven’t looked at a crash report to see like what side if they list the size of the vehicle. You could ask the police chief. Yeah.

1:01:48 Massdot also has it online. So but I don’t know if it’s into that.

1:01:56 but we as Joanns and we don’t know about the instance on Green Street No, you know really they’re looking at what’s around the facility as called out. The agreement Beacon green Network. Sure.

1:02:14 So no traffic on green going into the facility.

1:02:21 So we’re driving. Oh, yeah. After that, right when this does come to the planning board, they’ll require that the VHB come in and do a presentation and then the planning board will hear all of the neighbors concerns in any interested parties. And then it is likely that they’ll request a peer review of the traffic. So they have another traffic engineer. Look at what BHB has their assumptions and their and then they make recommendations. I mean, we’ve done it with several schools and we’re doing it right now Square project that typically what happens with a bigger project and so

1:03:11 And so that will happen give me the video Square The Village stream then what are we doing? 140 units all over, you know, no more revise. Okay, are there many residential vehicles that use the pit? I know those are considered commercial. So someone who has a lot of building stuff just from their own house can’t dump it in the pit. They can but it’s still considered college and it gets weed gets way to get of course therefore commercial.

1:03:44 Any other questions? Yes, sir. Oh just something that you brought up at the end. Is is these is the existing skills going to be moved in this new design? Yes, so you could you could move the scales anyway now so I’m still living. Okay, that’s what yeah. So I can’t put the scale on the cap.

1:04:11 So it limits me a nice cat comes all the way up to here. And all the way down together, so I’m limited to move that scale in this area. Okay. Yeah, but anywhere within that area, yeah anywhere within that area okay with that would it would it be possible in that area? And I don’t know to allow queuing for the skill to you don’t have the ship. I don’t I don’t know. I’m not yeah, that’s what yes, we’re trying to eliminate so we don’t want commercial traffic and residential traffic to cross all So your residential profit would be still on the outside? And if you did have commercial traffic coming in within and exiting would have been you’d still

1:04:59 have them go across the scale. Don’t go back across the scale, but you’re not gonna be possible range of residential traffic and but how do they egress so they have an egress back out the same area? Okay, but they’re they’re not that emerging in with no egress on the resident. No you right here. The end is where the residential in the commercial would have to merge but to get into that one.

1:05:29 Um, one of the earlier conversations we had we talked about the scale being put right in front of the pit. Yeah. Is that still being yeah plans. Yeah, so I mean this person action, but we obviously The Architects will hopefully like found work our way through that.

1:05:49 So we have to take a look at grading. You know what the grades are. If we there’s a slight change grade from the compactor floor and the driveway now that’s it’s not much of a great change. But you want those two to kind of match out. So it might be easier just to have that skill what you put on that pay so you back up you stop your way you back up pull forward away and then to your transaction. The other places you can move it forward.

1:06:28 Sure. Equals all on the scale and sometimes when you come around the corner and trying to get on that scale they can hang a tire off. You’re not getting accurately and then also causes for some issues backing up and stuff like that. And trying to make that as smooth as possible to reduce time. Oh here. Yeah. How far can you get it how far you bring it in? What you maximum line right next up right on to that. If you bring it all the way into that steel plate that you know, you ought to see the scale has got some underneath there’s a scale housing and stuff like that but to bring in exclusive that still played as possible might be the best but obviously that’s kind of what we’re buying the Architects to take a look at that. Swings the issue was for the other

1:07:14 issues with having commercial come in within Terrace and leaving see if that’s call box. So if the guy cuts it too short, he’s gonna take out the call box as soon as it call boxes out. And operations stop for conversion. Can you help me understand? I remember hearing about the call box. Yeah, can you help me understand why that would be necessary? Because if you have the cars and just this is where my frame of reference. From Plan B. Trucks come in make their way around get getting cue pull forward back up get on the scale. weigh themselves dump in the pit pull forward way on the scale pull forward. Make the transaction maybe that would be an online.

1:08:00 Nope. So it has to be so couple different things occur. When you talk in the scale house the bullets on. It we only accept cash or check. So we have to talk to the person saying we only accept these either, you know, except that payment. Is it going on to an account? If it’s going on to account when they run it through a scale it goes you’re putting it onto an account through the software. If it’s just a non-commercial account, it goes into a different portion of software. So it’s able to recognize and put it right into the commercial accounts that way. Um, you also have to have a valid driver’s license if you’re from out of town. So just it’s, you know, some minor activities and then also like any kind of questions that they have and material that we take we obviously have to follow waistbands. We don’t take a** shingles.

1:08:47 We don’t take asphalt. There’s a whole list of items that we don’t take and obviously there’s always Communications between the scale and the drivers to make sure you do have you do not have any of these items right? Obviously, there’s like signing that would really dictate a lot of those waistbands, too. But yes that initial hash. Jack only or is it going on account? So that has to be communicated while the drivers in this truck. Okay. Thank you.

1:09:17 Do most commercial drivers have an account? No.

1:09:24 We see quite a bit of so before the pandemic. We only had a hundred and twenty five accounts. And during the pandemic trying to limit interactions. It roots are just over 400. You can only open an account if you live in town. Or you have a business in town, but do see a lot of commercial app people coming from outside of town. We’re an open facility. We get grant money from the state because we’re an open facility, but that also allows us to pay for some of the Town waste. Can you change that rule about not allowing Out of Towners? Yeah an account you could oh have an accounts. Yeah. So the problem if I allowed Out of Towners to have an account is if they didn’t pay I have no way to collect them.

1:10:12 So now if I have an in-town resident or commercial and they not paying I can put holes on their property I could but hold on my permits. I’m much much more robust for people outside that town. I would have to go into collections and stuff like that, you know. At least you could make their stick or not valid. There’s no stickers required for commercial. Yep. Because you’re waiting in pain if you have to register, no. For anyone anyone anywhere? Yep, so we get them from Chelsea all the way up to Gloucester. I hope the guys are watching what they’re dumping correct. That’s the part of the job. And so yeah, we have to do load inspections. But yeah that is part of the job.

1:10:59 So yeah, they have everybody knows but obviously the onus is on the person dumping right they always fans but same with my guys have to be paying attention that there’s no monitors in there. There’s no hazardous waste. There’s no tires. There’s no shingles and all those items. Yeah, I know of all the transactions that you do. How many would you say on an average day that you turn away because they have the that the stuff that you can’t accept. It’s it’s more that you don’t get everybody pretty much understands what we can accept and cannot um, it’s a lot of times people coming in on it to use credit cards or they don’t have a valid driver’s license. That’s you know,

1:11:44 Can I use the credit card? That’s generally what we run into I would say it’s only no a handful day. It’s not that many.

1:11:56 Do is there a reason that we don’t accept credit cards? I mean, I know there’s a fee associated with it. But that is saying that that is something that we would like so look into why would you know like some credit cards up there? Yes, there is a fee and I think you’d have to pass that be on to the customer. Um, we’d also like to be able to charge ladies on our accounts that we don’t do you know, sometimes we see payments as much as 90 days late. It’ll be great to start to charge accounts after 30 days like most other accounts. So yeah some of those things, you know as we try to move more online, we’re gonna happen credit card you process. Is there something that would improve the chairman the townhouse Town doesn’t use credit card. Nope the user for a couple of departments, but not all well they do use. Yep. So yeah.

1:12:42 Yeah changing. Yeah. Yes James. They’re currently what I’m sure online and we miss. All right, and and how would we go really talk to the finance department and have them set that all us thanks. I have to head out. So see you next time everybody. Thank you.

1:13:08 Any questions are we ready to make a recommendation to the board? What’s what’s everybody’s thought on us? So for me, I think that the option.

1:13:21 A that’s the one coming from Green. Yeah, all traffic enters green all Trends, but you know try to do some mitigation, you know, whether it be pushing the gates up as far as possible making sure those automated things are figuring out how to enforce. Um, idling, you know, all those sorts of things. I think it makes more sense because it otherwise I think you’re going to get a lot of people not knowing where to go and maybe some complex but that being said, you know, the planning board will look at at this and probably have a traffic engineer, which

1:14:06 I am not look at it. But and that’s my question is so when you’re designing the scale house and I know there’s some flexibility but it has to be different but the building themselves could be the same. It’s just so let’s say we say option A. Yeah, and then it goes through the planning board and we get some feedback and they say actually modified option b works better kind of thing, you know, rather than spending all the money on design and we can the buildings be, you know, movable if you know what I mean, so So the same breakhouse it’s the same scale house, but it’s in a different location. So the biggest issue with that is that if you were to do go with option

1:14:52 A. Your scale house and your employee break room. I want are two different buildings. Oh, okay. If you go with option b where you’re using the back. Of the top first. Yeah, you have to connect with you buildings. Okay, and then you’re reducing sight lines for the scale house. From behind them. Okay. So as long as the architect sort of knows that yeah, so obviously that’s something that we could make sure when we’re designing that that we need to make sure that we can design these and try to keep them as seamless as possible. So you’re not doing these, you know having to really go back to the drawing board to say. Hey the zoning board didn’t agree with this we need to redesign and this love shed will be so options. Yep Sox and yeah, it’s not no change. Okay. Yeah the

1:15:39 compactor fit itself that’s gonna be done and done because I just hate to say one thing in this board. Say one thing and then you go. Yeah. Hey wait, I think that’s a valid point though. I think we design that scale house with the employee break on it. We should try to design it. As one and see how close we can get if you keep them together. Otherwise, you might have to do it redesign and you know, but we need to talk to the architect and do some basic drawings of that to see what we can come up and it’s just all on flag, right? That one is gonna leave us is gonna be on slab there might be my parent. No, that’s not a minor foundation for yeah. Because you have water and sewer County. Yeah. Yeah, you can still do a slab but inside the bathrooms and stuff like that.

1:16:27 So that was my thought. There’s anybody else in this committee have anything to say because I’d like to hear them before and everything. So I’ve just thought it would be nice and women have our children. Oh, yeah, so I thought maybe others would like to say something. I’m gonna go back to the audience. See no. Oh just one last question. And I know this has been a plane based but is there any thoughts of when you’re gonna be breaking ground or when you’re proposed to break ground on the updates to the transfer station and a perfect world? We would be breaking down late spring early summer, I guess at this point. I mean anytime we start to delay. What is I? Yeah 23 you just pushing it back. You want to

1:17:14 fit it in February at the latest? Yeah to get better prices. But yeah.

1:17:24 But I we asked if we wanted to thank a decision now. Yep. I think I would like to say that I think it would be important that the Board of Health Kevin opportunity next Tuesday and discussed this so obviously the board has the final word. It’s only a recommendation from us committee and the committee can no shoes the table to the board and leave it to the board to the side man. I think this committee is really a fact finding committee. We want to try to you know, use all the expertise that we have the table right try to get out as much information as possible. So the board can make the final decision. That’s what that’s why I asked if anybody else anything that’s to say besides Becky because we’re going to meet next Tuesday and we’re going to opportunity to have our own discussion. Yeah, we haven’t had opportunity to talk

1:18:09 about chair and meeting so you always have it. He’s always here. I know he just left but what anybody’s here in the same information. I understand that it’s difficult, but he’s not on. Time this week. It was only night physicality. We haven’t had the ability I’m showing was missing. People being here. I mean he was listening to everything and he had said what he had to say, but

1:18:42 I would like to have the opportunity for the three of us to avoid to review what’s been. Oh, yeah, that’s exactly right ready to make an a recommendation to the Board of Health right now. That’s fine. But I think you know, I think at this point the board has all the information they need to make a decision.

1:19:07 but we may review in our mind but we’ve had we talked about today. Yes trying to get to that February. We don’t know. Yeah. Yes.

1:19:21 That’s what I was asking. If any of the members you had any thoughts but I guess where else you know, I think the access roads great way to go minimize would been terrorist traffic. It just seems to make sense. But not to use would have been Fair Essence. Usually there’s minimally as possibility exit accidentally.

1:19:45 That’s how I feel, too. well, there’s then we’re getting that’s you know, I think mainly when I hear from your better, I’m sorry you gave your name and now I forget it. So, what was that Richard? Thank you. but it would be in the minutes away, right, but we do understand your Concern about the hours that they cwt uses the facility. and so, you know, I would love to be able to say I’m not limit them to 6:30, but the problem with me saying that is that If I say 6:30 cwt might be doing something else at that time. And so they’re not gonna get to meet until 8 o’clock. And that means I might not have a trailer between seven thirty and eight but this was never a

1:20:33 problem when I was working people. But yeah this no, you know because I never saw anything. Yeah, and so, you know,

1:20:44 So truth be told I have to you know dispel, you know down there all the time now, so I see it. Yeah, so what I was about to think when you started talking with him is that I see that maybe the problem is before I was like what Richard’s talking about and that’s why I need to have his name to address him, but I think That and knowing that those are one of the very few diesel. operating the vehicles and they’re the only the four hours vehicles that I think that if we did go to Woodman Terrace. That wouldn’t change that. No. so

1:21:32 maybe I’d like to hear from me a better. I don’t want to ask them directly because you might not answering but if if that is the only problem that people are having over there than being before I was and the diesel the diesel because I’m not there at 4:30. I’m not there it even. No, so I have to rely on what I hear from The Neighbors about the concerns and that’s an existing problem. That doesn’t existential. With which way people come in. It doesn’t have an impact, right? That’s something for the Board of Health to figure out. So I’d make a motion to recommend the Board of Health option b

1:22:17 i mean option A with an eye towards anything that could mitigate it especially for the the two properties closest. Yeah. to have a second on a motion and second that I need discussion on that motion. Well. I supported Health member probably wouldn’t abstain to that boat. So you so this is the so you guys are part of this committee as well. You’re only recommending it to kick it to the Board of Health where you guys will have particular to the board and help to the board out to the board. That’s the whole that is the goal of this committee is to

1:23:03 give recommendations to the Board of Health and the Board of Health has decide all those recommendations or the war is gonna go with the different options. I am not up to the board that the boy is not even met at all since the boards is not need to meet. This is just this committee will give it a recommendation to the board. Then the board can discuss us and decide what they want to do. Okay. Thank you may ask a question. You mentioned mitigating as a priority and I I share that and so I really spent a lot of time trying to understand how we can best do that lots of discussions with professionals that have been working on time. And driving them a bit crazy, I think however. With respect to mitigating it.

1:23:49 If we can reduce it five to ten percent. the volume the noise the you know Noise vibration pollution with this alternative configuration we can reduce it. Would you consider 5 to 10% to be a reasonable impact to? Mitigates their concerns to mitigate the concerns that they have about pollution. Vibration and Knowing acoustic problem. Is that something that’s reasonable or well, I think so. I think the concerns could be mitigated. But I I don’t know what those mitigation measures are. I mentioned a few, you know, moving that over Landscaping fencing

1:24:37 John mentioned, you know something that could be done. I think might have a more of an impact than reducing it by 5% And enforcing no idling. Yep, and it’s part of the mitigation. Yeah. you know, there’s some operational things certainly, you know, the automatic things those have to be part of it, you know, I consider those mitigation because so

1:25:06 so yeah, I think that that would have more of an impact on the concerns. And again, it’ll get looked at again. Thanks.

1:25:19 Any other questions this question? hearing them all in favor recommending a symbol to help I I

1:25:32 obscene abstained. Yeah still struggling with so it’s about an emotion path. Yeah.

1:25:42 So our our job is done here. I know just right camouflage chairs so that this is the first yeah, this is really just the first piece. Okay. Um now we need to have the board decide how they’re actually do the traffic. Okay, so the board will not need to deliberate discuss the traffic well, and they need to decide that before we can move on to sometime. Okay, right. So you’ll let us know when we need to Recon. Yeah, so we’re gonna keep this. You know, what is it the first the third Wednesday at work on you as the meeting time but the Board needs to make a decision. So we won’t have any

1:26:28 decision our next meeting until the board actually decides. Okay, so I mean what is meeting on the 13? We are scheduled to meet on the 14th. Um, but most likely and the 21st and the 21st. Oh, yeah, today’s the seven. So the 21st. Yeah. I’m not here that Yeah, the Board needs to decide. However. amazed so at this point I’m going should we give me women? Oh, she said 20% on hold. Yeah. We’ll keep that on hold. I mean it’s still on the calendar to still save it, but we can’t, you know, we won’t be able to meet on the 21st board does not decide. Well, it’s okay. That’s that’s okay. So

1:27:15 if they did yeah problem, so yeah, right so much all favorable right? Thank you.