Board of Health: January 27, 2025

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0:03 We’ll call the, uh, meeting of January 27th in order Linwood Health. And the first thing I’d like to do is congratulate, uh, John McMahon on the wonderful event that he had last Saturday. Was it two Saturdays now? Yeah. Uh, last Saturday. And I’d say definitely give, uh, a lot of credit to Andrew for setting Up the, and I was gonna also thank Andrew and, um, Marty, who did a lot of the work. So, uh, thank you to all I understand. There was several hundred people there and, um, I’m sorry, but I was out of town because it was the holiday weekend. It wasn’t this best said. It was the said before. Oh, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so, uh, yeah, because I could have been here for this week. No, it, it was a wonderful event.

0:50 Um, and obviously I think we should plan for next year. Mm-hmm. Um, I think we want to take a look at the date. Um, I think we wanna try to avoid the, uh, that long weekend, but I think we should definitely be planning for to do it again. Well, You’re gonna have a bigger spatial of 500 people there. I hope so. Um, but no, it was a great event, very well attended. Um, it was a great community event. All the different establishments and businesses could promote themselves. The community could walk around and five, these new vendors are, um, make themselves familiar with the vendors in town. Um, so no, I think it went off really well, and I think everybody should be pleased with It. And we had a public health nurse there from, uh, our consortium, which was Great. We did, we had a public health nurse, nurse there doing blood pressure. Um, but there were a lot of different vendors. Um, so no, it was a great show in Barnwood,

1:37 But everybody participate and everyone enjoy it. Somebody told me you had at least 10 acupuncture pins in your I did. So I, I, I have always wanted to try acupuncture. Um, and so there was a, you know, a woman there from that has a, a, you know, a a a business in town, and she was give, giving out some mini free sessions during the thing. I’m like, I want to try this. ‘cause, um, so yeah, I had like 10, 10 pins of my ear hair at one point. So, no, it was very cool. What is The air connected to it to? So, through acupuncture, there’s so many different things. Like, she had a diagram of an ear and all the different things, the liver, all the different connections. So, um, I’m not the extra

2:23 with the acupuncture, but any needs. But, um, so yeah, it’s very calming. Um, so I, I am very interested in trying to do more sessions with her, to tell you the truth. Well, she got some business. Yeah, exactly. Good. Um, so You actually thought it was worthwhile? Yeah, I actually thought it was worth, I mean, there’s thousands and thousands of years of practice for this. Um, I definitely feel calm. I definitely felt some energy from it. Um, so yeah, I’d definitely like to, to try it further and see what it’s like. Could you, by the way, did you gimme your only pen

3:00 Worry? Oh, Well, okay. Um, but no, it, it was great meeting all the vendors, you know. Good. And, um, you happy? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I was very pleased with the turnout. Great, great. Raffle prize, everything. Mm-hmm. So nice. Great. She was great. Oh, okay. All right. Perfect. All right. So, uh, first item on the agenda is the community health update. I think you have some good news for us. Well, at the end of the meeting last time we were told that the, um, Marblehead Rotary Club will provide $10,000 for, um, the COMM program. That’s phenomenal. Mark Labone and I are meeting tomorrow morning with the, uh,

3:49 um, Harbor Rotary Club, Marco, They go by or something like that. Yeah. And, and having had my tutorial, uh, here, the last couple of meetings on fundraising, I’m going to ask them right out. They ought to match their other er. Absolutely. Um, and see if that happens. We, um, Joanne Miller and I are going to Female Humane Society the following week, and I am meeting with the Community Ministerial Group, Ministerial Association, Whatever. It’s, um, not that it expect them to be given money, but I think they are a very important part of the community,

4:35 that if they are supportive of it, then people will answer the surveys. People will come to the focus groups and all of that. You probably could have some focus groups. Right. And that they’re, uh, Yeah. No, I, I, I, I’m, You know, it’s not a, right now, I would have to say the world is not one that, it’s easy to be optimistic, but about this little micro part of the world, I’m very optimistic about calm. Um, no one has said anything long-term negative. I went to, I had a phone conversation with, uh, Marty at the JCC. He was originally, I would say reluctant. I noticed that.

5:22 But we had 75 minutes on the phone. Wonderful. And he’s gone to set me up with members of his board, all the physicians on his board, so that I get medical feedback and introduction to other people. So we actually ended up with, with, it was a great conversation. So thank you for whatever you were doing behind the scenes. Well, They don’t have money. They certainly have people that are interested in health, and they, because you’ve got a health clinic there and everything. Yeah. They’ll at least have a focus group for you. Yeah, no, I, I, I think it’s Problem and have focus group people that are interested in health are interested. I think it’s gone well. And the more people see, just like what we did on Saturday, if people see

6:07 that we’re having wellness fairs and we’re having calm, and we’re working toward making marblehead healthier in this world right now, where a lot of people don’t seem to be trying to look out for the other person, I think that makes us even more unique. So I’m very positive. Well keep up good work. And if I can be of any help, just let me know. Um, so thank you for that. Um, anything else? Have you had a, uh, uh, mental health task force meeting since we No, not, not since we, there’s one on the 3rd of February. Okay. Well, good luck. Tomorrow morning. Yeah. Next week. Um, you’ve got bills there. Sure. Um, we got a one exterminators for rack control, that’s $440. Amazon Capital Services for other disposals, 61 95,

6:56 at and t Mobility for internet access. 160. Um, Bailey’s test strips, that’s food service inspection equipment and cleaning wipes. 95 50, uh, black Earth Compost. Um, 2,945 and 88 cents. Uh, bonsai roic. Is that Logic? Logic? Logic, yeah. Yeah. Oh, I, oh, I, I mistyped it then. Um, that’s for the license plate reader. That is $11,738 and 97 cents East Coast compactor for compact repair. $9,686 50 cents, FNS, hard Ward, Inc. Uh, that’s for building repair and maintenance. Um, just $11 69 cents. Home Depot for disposal area maintenance supplies,

7:43 $807 and 14 cents. Marblehead Counseling Center for Psychological Counseling, $4,998 94 cents. Marveled Light Department for electricity, 9 64, um, 28, uh, Mead, Teleman, and Costa for Legal. $231 Northeast, uh, shoring Corp for repairs and maintenance building and grounds. Uh, 2,100, uh, par TER ter ter gardening, uh, for handles, the landfill and wetland maintenance. 4,520. Uh, printer Pro Solutions. That’s Ink Toners for employees. Uh, $58 50 cents. Uh, re Pacific Company that supplies, uh,

8:28 recycling bins sold by the town. And that’s $7,085. Uh, Republic Services for Trash Collection, 85,000, uh, $57 and 46 cents. RMG Enterprises, LLC, that’s the company that recycles, um, TVs, things, laptops, $1,336 and 85 cents. Steven Moody. That’s, um, internal Service Training. $67 55 cents T-Mobile for telephone. Uh, $25 24 cents unlimited auto and Truck for, um, repair and maintenance of Motor vehicles, $139. US Bank National for Miss Anus banking needs $1,466 47 cents. Utech, uh, mattress Recycling Company, $3,234.

9:17 Uh, vast Stone Corporation. That’s the scale software. Um, 3000 Verizon Internet at Access 1 69 61. Waste Management of Massachusetts Trash Disposal, $93,515 83 cents. WB Mason for office supplies, $297 and 77 cents. And William Scottsman pay for the rented trailer. 612 16. I wanna know what you can have repaired for $11. I don’t know. Total. I don’t know. I’d have, Yeah, a lot. Can I ask a, there’s, there was a $5,000 one for the counseling center. Yeah. Is that, It’s Like part of what we Provide? Yeah. It comes out and

10:03 It’s four services they delivered to one that town people. Yeah. Oh, great. So it’s not 60,000 at once. It’s 60 to Spread out. Yeah. So, and it supposedly stays in the town. It Does, Because that’s my, um, my, This is where Marblehead resident, um, there’s a sliding scale, uh, the counseling or the town covers, uh, per individual. And they cover town employees a hundred percent. Yes. Town employees are as well. Hundred percent. Yep. That’s how it started. So what’s the $11 for? I’d have to go back and look at it. I think the $11 was for, for a survey string to tell you. I think, yeah,

10:48 I think what it was for, for what? Uh, so it’s, um, survey string, so Oh, just to buy some string? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All I thought maybe engineering for nails or something, but all it could be. Um, although nails are expensive these days. Yeah. Um, so, uh, thank you. Should we wait for Shelly, or is that tabled, Or? I was, I would assume since she’s not coming, I assume that the whole thing’s tabled based on her. I think it’s tabled from what I understand. I think Chief King had a lot of questions, and since it’s so last minute. Yeah. What he has, it kind of has to be, you know, it’s not gonna get submitted with confidence across three, three boards. Yep. The police department. So I think she might have tabled it for next year.

11:33 Okay. You think, or, you know, that’s What I got from, that’s, That’s what I just information From r the charter committee. So everybody’s in agreement. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, um, the next thing we’re on with the Board of Health and the Department of Health, we’ve been doing us some various piecemeal meals. Uh, Dr. Naza has given us some, uh, documents. We then, uh, got the advice of, uh, town council. So, so we’ve been in discussion of the, um, there’s a difference between the Board of Health versus the, uh, department of Health. So we sought guidance, uh, with our town council and, uh, Alex Koster, is that his last name? Yep. Uh, So this is Alex Castro wrote this. What you’re thinking of? Uh, Adam Costa.

12:19 Oh, Al a And his name’s Alex. So what’s his, yeah, Alex Castro. Castro. Okay. Close. So C-A-S-T-R-O. Castro. Castro. So he wrote, you have this document in front of you mm-hmm. That he, um, wrote. And, um, I’m going to just pull out without, I, I highlighted with, and you can go along this since you had the walk with, with it. ‘cause I wrote up, but I, I didn’t, when I read this, I’m not gonna do the, um, the general laws and the chapters. I’m not gonna list that. But this is available. Can, this is public, right? Yeah. It’s not public currently, but yes, we can make it public. So we cannot give it to the, It was an opinion given to the board from our attorney. So, I mean, as soon as it’s in the emails

13:05 and stuff like that, it’s public, but it, it’s not a public document currently. Okay. So it’s this, this is my, um, reading without using the general laws and chapters. ‘cause I think it would be confusing to start going back and forth with that. But he stated that, and these are the words that are on here without the chapters in general laws, the mu Municipal Boards of Health and municipal health departments have the same powers and duties. A municipality can have either one or the other, but not both. Marblehead has an elected Board of health as opposed to a health department. All employees work under the sole authority of the Town’s Board of Health. The town’s health department, it’s office location, and staff are an extension of the Board of Health.

13:50 They are not part of a separate independent entity. Many municipalities colloquially refer to their local Board of Health as health departments. Marblehead has not, there is no legally cognizant Department of Health. There was only a Board of Health and those office officers and agents that appoints to assist in carrying out its statutory duties. And those are the officers. And therefore, because there is no legally Cble Health Department in Marblehead, all Town employees work to enforce the regulations and do so as agents for, and as an extension of the Town’s Board of Health. Andrew Petty, director of Public Health appointed under general direction of the elected members of the Board of Health,

14:36 which empowers him to carry out the executive powers and duties of the Board of Health. So there’s no, uh, we do not have a Department of Health. That’s the what, what the interpretation of the, of the advice that we’ve been given, given by counsel. So, I, I’d, I’d like, um, Tom Azar to, uh, then present what he’s been working on. But, but maybe one thing I’d like to just, uh, state, um, attorney Castro asked both. Andrew addressed it to myself, the chairperson, and Andrew, if there are any questions, and he asked two questions, which you also have this document. I, I think there is no requirement that the Board

15:23 of Health take any action annually with one response. And yes, the Board of Health may have a contract Yeah. With any of its appointees. Yeah. So that’s all I have to say. But if you want to now, um, bill longer, um, your, your review and what you’ve done, I then will have a few comments I even brought the Town report to. Okay. Well, um, I, I hope everyone understands that I’m doing this just to clean up what we’d be confident. Um, and my comments are in six parts. Can you tell us which document to look at? Or is it, well, Let me, let me give big pic big picture

16:10 and then see how much we can cover. In one thing. I would, given what the council said and give, I think you, you didn’t me re you didn’t report on, was it Cheryl Saba if you invited? Right. And she, I didn’t recall, basically said the same thing. But she did say two other things. She was a bit surprised that Andrew had been in his role for 13 years and hadn’t had a review. And, uh, she also made the recommendation that we think about annual, um, agency conversation with our employees. And so I’m, I’m talking about that as a big picture.

16:56 So I think the e the first and easiest discussion is I believe that either the, I, I have Robert’s Rules of Order staff talk to the chair. So I will always say the chair should, and then you can assign us tasks if you want. I think the chair should work with Crown Council, develop a contract for Andrew Petty. Um, I would suggest it be a five year, five year one. He’s a young guy. He adds great value to this community and to this board. And, uh, it should be competitive, uh, in, in compensation. And if possible, he’s not sure it’s possible when we’ve talked that there should be a way to incentivize through compensation if there’s really extraordinary service

17:44 that’s delivered it, it’s not clear that the town would do that, but we should at least ask Counsel. And my parallel, and I’m the new guy, but that is sitting on the charter committee, I’ve become very impressed by, um, the town administrator. And I think Andrew has a role that is very parallel to the town administrator. He is the administrator for the health structure of the town. And I think obviously a little bit of bias. I think there are very, some very unique things about the Board of Health. As, as I say in this one document, we, we get recommend, we get requirements, duties,

18:30 and responsibilities directly from the state government, the school district, the library, and maybe the retirement board are the only departments of the 60 departments in town that get that kind of direct challenge and obligation. And my sense is that Andrew serves the board, like the town administrator serves the select board. So that leads me to think that Andrew’s current title is probably totally inappropriate because he has always done more than public health for him to, it never made sense, even in the beginning to me that

19:17 the director of Public health directs the Department of Total Health. I would suggest that we think about renaming his role before we go and give him a contract, whether we call him the town Health ad administrator, town health manager, or name the, the people who work with him as the depart, the the Health department. I, I think that’s advantage. I You Could you stop there. So I, of course, Because a couple of things you’re saying num number one, um, you, you, you stated a contract. He’s been working in a step category. So he, that would take him out of that.

20:03 And I know that when he was doing, I don’t know how many hours, 90 hours a week, but, uh, during the pandemic, and I wanted to give him a bonus or give him, there was no way to do anything like that. He worked right in his step contract. There was, there’s no way to, uh, compensate him. So I think that that’s, I think the fact that he’s going to have a contract will certainly be helpful, uh, in that, in that regard. Um, as far as, um, calling him an administrator or a manager, I think the word director is a much more powerful term than administrator or manager. Um, I remember when somebody mis misspoke and called the previous, uh, uh, a town town administrator.

20:48 The town manager. And he was tremendously insulted that that was a, a lower category. It was in front, in front of me. I I saw it. So I, um, I happen to like the title of director. So I, those are the two things that I would like to just comment on. Do you have anything, Um, in terms of manager versus administrator, what title do You like? I think it’s something that we should take a look at. I think, you know, I, I appreciate everything that Tom Ro is saying to me. So, you know, I, I understand that, you know, he, he’s putting director here and he is trying to create a position above the director. Um, and so what, what is the appropriate title for that? I, I think we should all take a look and, and figure out what that should be.

21:34 Um, I understand what you’re trying to do and I, I appreciate that. So mm-hmm. You know, is it, should it be the administrator of Health of the town of Marblehead? It, it might need to be That. Well, I just think we call body Ministry. I think, I think I wanna take a look around and see, see, you know. Okay, so what Other Ones? Yeah, that’s Why I’d say if, if you, your peers and what I hope this meeting would be, yeah. Hey, if you know your peers and in the other towns and Let’s say, bring a suggestion now, I think the biggest difference is that between myself and my peers, is that I have a much bigger role than a lot of my peers do. Yeah. So a, you know, most of my colleagues do not oversee the whole wayside. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, a lot of my colleagues don’t sit at the same level

22:19 as the town administrator. They often are underneath them. So a minimum of them appoints, you know, report to the mayor or report to the board. This is a very different situation in my head where the town administrator and myself are at, at the same level. Mm-hmm. So I, I do not report to the town administrator. The town administrator doesn’t report to me. Um, and that’s trying to keep the importance of public health at the same level as the select board. Yes. I’ve, I’ve heard that from, So, public health administration, Public sound good. From the charter committee that, that the town administrator views Andrew, the police chief, the fire chief, and the Director of public works as his team, and they share overall responsibility for, um,

23:09 backing each other up for the town. So I just think that whatever, I, I don’t, I don’t have any strong feelings. I think that it’s the right way to do it. Find out what the peers are, find out what’s the easiest way to get reasonable compensation, whatever name we use, we should use the name that can allow him to get a reasonable package. And I think, you know, when you look at the contract, you know, all the stuff can be put in, in my understanding is like all this could be put into the contract, you know, given the title giving, you know, the number of years, the compensation rates. This is done for many other positions. So I, I think it’s possible We have to be careful that we don’t, uh, talk in open meeting lines Correct. About things that we have to talk in executive session. All, all, uh, personnel is an executive session,

23:57 so let’s be mindful. Well, But I would like to make the motion that the chair meet with the town council and the town administrator to develop a plan to come back and tell us how to, how we should do that. Okay. We will do that. And that way you, you or your Assigned, I read that and we discussed it this morning. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I, and I think, you know, I think originally had written, I actually had your motion here, um, that the chair would work with council. Um, so you’re, you had written that the chair would work the town council to develop a formal employment contract. Um, you know, obviously that’s important because we need to make sure that if, so I’m gonna go to council directly tomorrow, um, and make sure if there’s anything that we need to put on

24:42 that for the town meeting warrant, that it’s done so we don’t miss any time, obviously what, you know, we call it a place for alert. Um, and that gives us from now into town meeting to, you know, put this contract together, uh, and make sure everything’s done appropriately. And we don’t miss any time, because That would have to go before Tammy. I, I need to make sure, but we just need to make sure that we don’t miss a step and push it back To, we talked about a placeholder this morning. Yep. Okay. Alright. So back to the, Okay. My next, my next step in this, I think just, I Given what we’ve just said. So you just need to, to vote on the motion. You need a second and a vote on that motion. The motion, please. Well, Okay. That’s a question. Do we really need motions or can Yes.

25:28 We motion? Yeah. Okay. I move that the, uh, chair work with town consult, not the administrator’s time council. Yeah. Um, to, uh, find the most efficient way to provide a formal employment contract with Andrew Petty. I’ll second All those in favor. Uh, and what’s the deadline on that? So I’ll call the counsel tomorrow, make sure that she has everything written for, uh, the deadline, which is the 30th for the warrant. Uh, and then obviously we will take our time with the contract, But we’ll have to set up some time either before a meeting or a different time to have, um, executive session. But most of the time, people that have executive session, we’ll do it before or

26:14 after meeting so it won’t cost extra meetings. Mm-hmm. Okay. Uh, All right. I’ve looked at Andrew’s current job description, and I think there are probably, I’m not, I’m not a HR person in any way, but I’ve had lots and lots and lots of professional report to me, and I think it’s too long and too detailed. Well, Nick, we don’t all have that. So maybe we need to, um, wait the next meeting. No, I happen to have it, but I don’t think that, Okay. Well if, if you have it, then I’ll give it to Tommy. Well, but how can we, we can’t vote on it today. Well, no, I don’t wanna vote on it. I wanna vote on, I wanna vote that you either

27:03 ask me or we work together to revise it. I would, I would, I thought I sent out a, a, a, a proposal that I would spend more time at. But I would say that whatever the title we give this person, he or she has four tasks. One is to manage the health office, two, to operate the transfer station as efficiently as possible. Three, to represent the board in whatever, uh, locations, meetings, and agencies. The board requests him to do so. And four, to develop community relationships with the board, something very short.

27:49 And then we, we could work on that together. That’s all I’m saying. Is that it? This 18, 19, 19 elements here. Yeah. That’s too many. Yeah. I mean, well, The thing is, is that possibly it’s, it’s a good tool when we’re talking about, um, a salary package of what, what he does do. And then we could maybe, uh, pair it down.

28:24 Well, I, I see it in way the opposite. I see him as management, exercising, executive decision making at times. And an executive needs a broad umbrella. You don’t tell an executive, but on Tuesday he signs this or that. So it, but, but when I, when he and I talked, he thought that there was a cultural sense in town to put all the details. Yeah. So thi this is, You know, so there’s two parts of this. So we have a compensation committee that reviews job descriptions. It’s all scored out. Um, so based on what’s in the job description, can add additional points and stuff like that.

29:12 Now, since the board would be looking at a contract, I think this is gonna be a totally different. So again, we can talk to counsel, you would de develop a, a job description that’s gonna go into the contracts. Mm-hmm. My example at, at the charter committee, the chief of police and the far chief came, and both of them have contracts. I don’t think in the chief of police contract, it lists item policemen give tickets for going fast by the high school. And that’s the level of detail I see in this, in this state. So I would like, if the co if the, if the police chief has a, a sentence, it would be manage the police department to, to,

29:57 to develop public safety, uh, practices in the town, which make pe makes people comfortable and safe. So, you know, that that’s the way I would do it. But, but, but I’m sure there’s theory that, so I think that’s another topic to bring up with council, if you, Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Okay. So, um, So I would move then the description. You as chair or, uh Yep. You as chair, um, have to do, I, I talk to council and found administrator or whoever else, um, to help flesh out a robust and, and appropriate Why, Why don’t you, in the meantime write your

30:39 Yeah, I, I thought I sent them off, but, but yeah, I will do that. I will do it again. Wait, you Maintain birth records that I thought that was the town Clerk? No, we have to do that as well.

30:53 Busy. They, they, you know, obviously the town clerk is generally the one that holds all the documents. Yes. Oh yeah. We have to track everything as well. Yeah.

31:03 So could you get that to, um, Andrew, so that like, we can have it? Yeah, Sure. Honor, actually, you know, I, I have had internet problems in home. Okay. Um, so the next item, go ahead. Can we get a vote On that motion? So we vote a second vote, and then what’s the vote? So the motion was to have you, uh, seek with town council administration to flush out the new job description description. But I just need a second. And then I’ll, I, I don’t know if you wanna flesh it out or whether we wanna review it. Could we do that? I, I think the idea is that, you know, he’s creating a motion to make sure anybody’s beginning to look at this. Yeah. Could we put the word review in or no?

31:49 Yeah, sure.

31:52 I think review and modernize or modify, modify, Modernize is what? Review and modify. Okay. I, I like that review. Will you accept That to stress the current needs of this role? I mean, public health has changed. Dr as, you know, having been chaired during the pandemic, public health has changed drastically. Andrew’s job has changed drastically. This job description is, he checks boxes. We expect more from Andrew than checking boxes. Well, I think it’s there, but I don’t think he really checks boxes. I, I, I, when was the, I I don’t wanna ask him now,

32:37 but when was the last time he referred to it? What? I wanna know, he knows what his job is. Well, I don’t, it’s just when somebody questions him. But what people say about Andrew, and, and everybody says it in a complimentary way, if something needs to be done, Andrew will do it. Absolutely. So that’s checking boxes. I remember one morning the trash people came by. I, the rules say trash has to be out in front of your house. Seven o’clock. I front mine out at six 30 and the trash, trash guys waved at me as they drove down the road. You, I called in and you said to me, when that happens, Andrew gets in the truck and picks up the trash. That’s true. I hope we pay you more than we can.

33:24 We cannot afford you to go pick up trash when the trash people aren’t there. Either we call the trash people or we put something in their contract and say they gonna come back and get it or somebody else. But you’ve got enough things trying to keep the transplant station running. And I know we’re gonna get to that, but, but that’s the, that is what, that is the positives that people feel about see about you, that it again, and it’s what I think should be rewarded. But on the other hand, we have to work, I think, as a board to allow Andrew to do what he can best do. That certainly I can’t do.

34:10 And, uh, maybe others can’t do either. Uh, uh, particularly around the transfer station and around the sort of, the way he supported Connie’s, uh, wellness thing. I mean, that’s just something that we don’t do. Okay. So that’s my second. Well, the third is you, well wait, we’re Gonna get, we’re gonna make the motion. You’ve made the motion that we’re gonna get a second. Do review and modify. Is that as necessary as opposed second? Yeah. And all those in favor? Aye. Okay. Alright. Um, did we ask about the name? We’re gonna do the name. Okay. Then. Um, do we want you, you sort of like the health department, but I would say we should re at least reconsider the naming of

34:56 It. I liked what we were advised. Okay. Fine. And, uh, that we are the Board of Health and, um, that, that the staff works under the board of Health. Yes. But would you be willing and unofficially to call Cheryl and ask her to send us copies of some of the documents that those boards of health that send up annual agency reviews to their employees? I’d like to see what they look like, The reviews to the Oh, oh, you’re, but you’re not back to the n You’re going on to reviews. I’m talking about Let’s finish. Oh, the titles. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, I, what I found in here

35:42 and in the town report is that they’ve been calling the, um,

35:49 the office, the health office, our, our the board of health office or the Health department, but not the Department of Health. And in this document, the, um, the attorney, uh, called it, um, the, uh, health Department Town Council.

36:16 And in the town report, it’s, it’s two places. It’s called the Board of Health Office. And your and your language handled last year, the board of health office and the health office, there’s three different, um, words. So any place where I see Department of Health that you’ve written in

36:42 Health office, health Office, I think health office is the director of health office. And, and there and, and the, um, legal co counsel is calling him the director of Public Health. No, I don’t think he’s, that’s what I think we should drop. He does much more than direct public health. Well, everything, even including trash is public, the public’s health,

37:13 Um, perhaps from an inside knowledgeable perspective, but certainly, for example, conversations in on the charter committee, they do see transfer station and public health as very different roles. Well that’s, I Mean, so I think we should, but we should in do something that’s broad enough to allow that to occur. Well, you don’t Wanna call the director of trash. No, I I think health, health services or health, he health office is fine. Okay. Health Office. I, I think that’s what’s written in here. In the, in, in the, um, at the, in the, that’s what they’re using. There’s, there’s not one place that it says the, um, the Department of Health. What or what do you call it? Um, what’s the word you use?

38:00 Yeah, the Department of Health. It’s all health offices. He’s used Health office and he is used, um, That’s what the legal people health. And, and when, when Andrew writes up his writeup, Okay. If you look at, because I’ve, I brought it, I cut it by. So, uh, he’s, he’s using the appropriate terms that have been discussed by town council. This place right here is called, um,

38:31 it is called the Board of Health Discretion. I thought I, I thought I wrote it out. But, um, I know that when they,

38:42 the health office staff, that’s what they called. It’s not the Department of Health. So it’s really the health office. Yeah. Well, and he has a transfer station And he has a transfer station staff Sign outside your office, say Board of Health. Yes. All right. Yeah. It shouldn’t say that. Correct, but, Well, it should say that. As far as what Well, no, it’s, I don’t, this is what it’s there. It’s not my office. This. We’ll read this and this is Yeah. But we, that’s, that’s what we’re talking about. We can change like, you know, that’s, This is what the, what the council is saying out of what the general office. Right. But I think we thought Tom is saying though, is like, you know, you, you guys are talking about health office. Yeah. So the sign outside my office would say Health office. Well, but not necessarily, but this is what we we’re done. It says, um, the Miss, uh, all,

39:28 all town polices work for the towns board of health. The, the, the health department, its office location is an extension of the Board of Health. They are not separate and independent. Right. So they That’s correct. So they, they use health department in the legal, you know, the practical effect on the town’s health department’s ability to execute state and local health laws and regulations. Having a state board of health outside Andrew’s office is inaccurate, I Don’t think because it is, well, we, it’s not my office. And I’m on the board. He, he works, he works Well, hold on a second. But at the state level, it’s the, it is called the Department of Public Health. Right. So that’s how department comes down. It’s not that. So I’m just saying that it wasn’t like,

40:16 you know, somebody said, you know, office department, it, it’s the, to give it the same, um, impact as, as at the, but just at a lower level. That’s not what this is saying in, in, I Know, I understand. But I’m just saying that’s, we have to probably how I would not vote to wanna Get clarified by a long time. Right. Yeah. And I’ve worked in other towns and I, and the science says felt, I mean, when I’ve been employed. So it’s, it’s in this state, but, Well, I think Tom used a good word when he said modernize. And that’s, but you know, Maybe we’ll go back and, and get clarification on that. ‘cause I’m gonna charge council. Lemme know. With all due respect to the, the council charging what,

41:04 $250 an hour for something for that. Um, I think we ought to make the decision on what we wanna call and go and just tell ‘em that that’s we’re doing. Unless they object. Well, We have to go before, uh, town meeting too. Yeah. I think we’ve made great progress to agree to talk about all of these things. And at, and by next meeting, we should be able to come to some con There Is no legally cognizant about Department of Health. There is only a Board of Health and those offices and agents it appoints to assist carrying out its statutory duties. But you could look at it in the current organizational chart of the town that the, that the charter committee is looking at.

41:50 There’s the Board of Health, and under the Board of Health, there’s the Department of Public Health and the Department of Waste Management. Do we want one title that covers both of those activities? And I think health office covers that. Health office does. But we, But also there’s a board of health office, which is, which was in this, uh, town report. Well, I think Tommy’s right, there is no board. I wish there were the Board of Health office. It’d be nice if we hadn’t drive a desk and a computer. I don’t know about Definitely. Okay. Just checking. You’re always welcome to Mine. But, but it, They’re working under this sole authority of the town’s Board of Health. Yes. Nope. I think that’s in, we all agree.

42:35 So the name we put on is on all of our employees and their director is, uh, there’s probably six or so that at work, I’d like to, uh, I, I’d like the, uh, personal privilege to just double check with them when I ask. Fine. I, I don’t have any per, And we’ll go by the next, by the regular meeting. Okay. I, my next request is to, I Do, I have to have a motion for personal privilege. Personal privilege that that’s pardon for you, for you to go to town council. Right? I don’t need to do that. No, we’re just gonna ask Town council if we can use, you know, the health office. Yeah. You’re a chair.

43:21 You have authority to go to Speak Town Council. I’m asking personal privilege. Okay, good. Thank you. As I read the Town report, right. I believe it is one of the many tasks that Andrew gets assigned while he’s doing, trying to keep the transfer station alive. And with all due respect, I think a fresh look at the Town report would be good. And I would certainly volunteer to provide a draft in what, what I think you’ve done is put it in an alphabetical order That never was an alphabetical order till I put it in alphabetical order. So I, But what is the Alpha Medical Order regulating?

44:07 I, I would like, I’ve, you have and I have made some copies for, for our, I’ve got Ion Yeah, you’ve got that. But I have some for our audience. Okay. Uh, that this is an outline that I have, uh, for the, the Board of Health and how it relates to the, that I’d like the opportunity we can do it together. Well, with open meeting long, we probably can do it together, but we, we could do it as an open Well, you can do it and then can review it. That’s right. The, for example, It’s Dub before next time. So what does it do? It’s due the fifth. The fifth or the seventh. Oh, the seventh.

44:54 But guess what? And we’re, we’re meeting on the fifth. No, we’re not. We don’t meet until the The 11th. Oh, the 11th. That’s right. I sorry. The fifth. It’s do the seventh.

45:05 No, there is not. I don’t believe so. I can ask Kyle, but I think when I asked, I was like, Kyle, is this the firm date or is this the luki? She’s like, no, this is the firm de Then she just put them all together and chase people. Yeah, you can, you can call yourself and ask her and see if you can Yeah, I know. But she does Chase. Yeah. Like for example, in the the Todd report, there’s two paragraphs about Hawk. What’s that? In the board of health report. We give, we give them money. But let’s, but, but why do we have more description about Hawk than we do about some of the things that the Board of Health is doing? All I’m saying, I would like to have the opportunity to tighten it up, tighten it up,

45:51 and organize it around this structure that I have here. I Like this, what you wrote Here and put like, like, um, we check beaches, we check restaurants, we check a whole bunch of other things. That should be a category of, um, how we meet obligations that the state of Massachusetts tells us we have to do. I think it’s a debate whether we need to list all of the various pathogens. The who reads this thing. If everybody wants to read it, that’s fine. We can write it, make it as long as we want it. But I, I, the, the, the two things

46:36 that I propose here that are a little bit different, that I think that we should be providing strategic projections. One of the things that I don’t think this board does yet, I think we’re moving toward it. Thomas said the town meeting and told the town meeting that trash pickup is going to curbside pickup is going to go, I think we should be having every one of our meetings. We should be talking about what are our options? What’s it gonna be looking like? All of that sort of stuff. We, the, the town is not gonna be very happy with us if all of a sudden in 2026 we say, Hey, by the way, we’ve not,

47:21 we’ve known it’s common, but we’ve not done much about it. Yeah, no, I agree. And, and that’s what I think we should be, we should have, in the town report, we should say strategic direction in the town. Wellness fair, we anticipated first one was success. We, those sorts of things. That’s all. I, I just think that we could, but let me just one example. In, in, in the current town report, we list that in 2005, the town passed the organic test management policy.

48:00 Big deal. We don’t say anything about it. What it means, we don’t say whether it’s, and it’s in Andrew’s job description, what is it? Do, do you, how many hours a month do you spend on the town’s organic path management? Any very little. If, if Any. That’s all I’m saying. We just need to, but Don’t you think the town needs to know that we have policy? Fine. Then, then let’s list all the policies that we have for I just, I, I, I just think, Well, you, I mean, you’re looking at this for the first time or maybe the second time ‘cause you’ve been here for a few years. But I think that, um, those are all interesting concepts. So why don’t you work on this? But he’s working it at the same time, so you’ve gotta get that done quickly. Well, he

48:45 He’s fine. I I, I, right. But I, I, so I can stop. He, he can, you know, I’m not, give Me what you thought. Yeah, yeah. So I have this, like, I use the same format of a year. I’m just plugging numbers in, changing some stuff. Updating, but, you know, it Reads like, Yeah, I mean he, he’s updating, you know, it’s, But now are we required to, uh, report the communicable diseases? So there’s certain, I can talk to Tracy what the requirement is. I believe it’s not required that we list everything out,

49:23 But there are cer these, these particular communicable diseases are ones that we’ve been asked to list. N no. No. So these are the ones that we, we list. I can go back and talk to Tracy. We, no, we, we’ve changed how we list them a few years ago. We used to not list as, you know. Okay. So, um, But yeah, we, we know the master general law about how the diseases should be listed and stuff like that. All right. So there’s the master general law. Why don’t we check with him before you Yeah, no, before you x those few pages of Yeah. No, I’m not what ex I, I actually think organization is whatever we keep. Um, I would like a little more

50:12 strategic intent in it. I, I think that, uh, it, it, it, we can work, we can work on it. We, unfortunately It will, will you do, will you do one other thing? Will you look at the other reports? Because they’re all like, what has occurred that year? Now the, see the difference, and I, I had discussed this with Andrew today. Today also, the town report is an annual report. Our town meeting is a fiscal town meeting for the future. So we are working on two different calendars. So if you, you wrote something that you wanted to put like the, um, health fair’s not gonna be in the 2024 report

50:58 ‘cause it happened in 2025. But is it calendar year? Calendar, This calendar fiscal Year? Technically fiscal year. It hasn’t occurred yet. Right. But so you could say, you know, the, the board of health is working to be, you know, increasing our health promotion by having wellness fairs and, and stuff like that. Well, I look and see if there’s any future things in there. If you wanna be a a, a trailblazer, you can put future things in. I think He does. I Think, I think go for it. What I’m saying is, so read the, read the port report. ‘cause it i annual report With all honesty, I only came upon it through the, through the charter committee.

51:45 I didn’t You didn’t even have one. No, But did you go to town meeting? Because they would be Yeah. Yeah. They don’t like, you know, they Don’t hand it to you, but they Don’t hand it to you. No. But you have to go and be like, oh, I wanna go grab the town report they, and start to thumb through it and kinda understand how this stuff works. They used To have people to deliver them to your doorstep. Yeah. I mean it, everybody got it. It’s an alternate issue. Obviously it’s a required report. Um, but there’s no, Remember when they were delivered to your door? Absolutely. Yeah. Everybody got one. I mean, again, there’s no, no reason why we can’t change things up. Yeah. A obviously you have to give the information that occurred for the last, for the fiscal year of 24. But why can’t we say in the future we will be doing these things or the board of health is looking forward to working on X, Y, Z.

52:32 But even regarding the pathogens and all of that, we have enough of a website. We’re gonna make it better. Why couldn’t we put in there, for those of you who are interested in how many restaurants that we’ve covered, how many times we’ve closed the beaches and what bacteria were in the beaches. This is available on the website. Mm-hmm. We, we, if we’re going to, this can’t be cheap to publish. And you know what, it’s smaller than it used to be. They used to put all the births in here. It’s about all the same. Yeah. Do they And the graduates, they put the births and the graduates and, and the print’s smaller. Yeah. I don’t even think the births are in here anymore. The high school graduates might be in the back. They haven’t forgotten them. Oh, is that Your kid has

53:18 to wait till they graduate today? Yeah. Well, I may be wrong. I may be wrong. Maybe new, but let me give a shot to see if we can clean it up. Good. Yeah. It’s always Good to have fresh eyes. My view and, and I don’t, is we, we today this board and our, our staff has been sh suit as shackled by the difficulties of the transfer station. We’re going to get there for, uh, us to be ready to put in the compactor and all of a sudden find that there’s a problem we have to work on. That’s the way the tongue looks at us.

54:04 I think we have to do everything we can to try to convince the town one, that it’s not been an issue of negligence or incompetence of anyone who’s ever been elected to the board or worked for this town or Anyone that’s owned a home. He’s got a hundred eight seventy two slides that he presented the one night. And, and so thi this, at best, it’s an accident of nature and there might’ve been some sloppiness about engineering and all that sort of stuff, but the nobody here, this is a, the people we have working for us worked very hard and are very competent. And we, we, and we wanna lead with our best foot even on our weaknesses, which is the transfer station,

54:50 and then lead in our positives as we go toward health promotion. So that, that’s what I think should be in the report. Marble head, your, you, you got good people and this is what you need to be proud of. All Right. So when can you have it in his Hands? So I will send you over what I’ve put together so far, and then you just ask what you need and Yeah. Um, but yeah, the report is technically due by February 7th, but Yeah, well that’s, that’s what today’s, and I’ll have the weekend. Yeah, no, I I, He, he usually, he usually passes it out I to everyone and just to my eyes, I don’t, but Generally I’ll send it out to everybody. Yeah. Um, for a final Review. Well, Yeah. If I work on it this weekend and have it to you Monday morning, it’s great.

55:35 Then you, you do what you want with it. You meet with him on Mondays or whenever and you do what you can. I mean I Yep. Great. I mean, if anything, just make other boards. They’ll admire yours. What you put together, what this board has, and they might do the same and you get totally new report. My sense is that given the challenges of being underfunded, understaffed, and overloaded by the challenges of the transfer station, we as a board have to do everything we can to give Andrew the opportunity to work on those daily things that, that only he can do.

56:20 Mm-hmm. And I think we can help with the time report. Excellent. And it, it says it’s the board of health report. So Yeah. Right there. The one thing that I wanted to say is that, that, that on your first bullet that you said, it consists of five members elected for a three year term. I think that this coming year they’re staggered. And What, what is that? I’m, I’m, that’s one thing I want clarification on. I’ve never, how are they handling? No, no, I know that we don’t know, but have they, I think we need clarification, honestly, from town council. So Yeah, because I haven’t heard anything about it. We, We, yeah, we haven’t really heard anything about it Months. And I think what she did say is that there would gonna be three position, but two positions. Well, three because I’m right. That position, uh, it is the, you’re up for

57:05 Election Reelection. Yes. So that’s three positions. And, um, Person who gets the high, the what we’ve been told, person who gets the highest vote gets three years. Person who gets the second highest vote two years, and the person who gets the third highest gets one year. And, And I heard that two people get three years and the lowest vote gets one year.

57:27 So no, Let, let’s, let’s get a clarification and know exactly what we’re talking about. One person gets the lowest vote is definitely one year, but I’m not sure about the first highest vote in a Second. Okay. So, But that, we got a lot to ask this, uh, town council. They do 3, 2, 1. Yeah. So that, that’s how they did it. The, that the, uh, select board, you know, 3, 2, 1. But, um, I think that she had stated, I don’t know why, but she said three, three and one. But I might have misunderstood it. So. Okay. My last question, and maybe I I’ve heard the answer, didn’t wanna hear it. Um, are, are we at all interested in hearing how other boards of health give annual, uh, agency

58:15 to their staff? Or do we just not wanna do that? The council says we don’t have to do it And Oh, annual Yeah. Reports. If I were Andrew, review. Review, Yeah. So do you have some reasons for, for not No e annual review. Review I think’s automatic we have to do this. Yeah. So that, that could be potentially, so we’ll have that wrapped into the contract and stuff like that. So we’ll, you know, get to all that Language. Yes. But my question is whether the board every year makes a list of things that we want the office to do specifically and they act on our behalf to do it. That what I think I heard Cheryl saw, say you give An, can you give an example, Uh,

59:04 Tell the health nurse to, uh, visit every nursing home. I mean, I don’t know. So just making it up, I mean, yeah. Or, or Andrew, spend 80% of your time on the transfer station this year and Marty help out by doing X, Y, and Z because we really have to spend time on the transfer station. So we make recommendations to the team, not just to Andrew. Andrew would be getting signals from you as chair in the annual review. In that case, I’d say no, because I don’t think we have an intricate knowledge enough of the day to day and what everyone’s doing. Right. But the board and I would agree, agree with that. Yeah. Um, but so the board can have goals for the year of the department.

59:50 Right. And then I would make sure that those goals are tried to be met. They would Be actually your goals. It would actually be my, I don’t Think it should be us saying they would comfortable how Martin should spend his timer. Right. They would, they would be Andrew schools. Yeah, I’ve done some, as, as Andrew knows, I’ve done personnel reviews before as president for a lot of organizations and being on the school committee, being present of the counseling center, being president of the JCI mean, so I have those, um, I have some thoughts. Okay. So basically we don’t want to hear from the Massachusetts Association of HealthPort. I don’t, I don’t think you be necessary could personally Do it. You, I mean, you could place a call like I place you called it Cheryl,

1:00:38 You, you could hear from them. I’d be shocked if they, if their boards were Any more specific. Yeah, because they’re, we’re a small town, you know, so like, if you’re a big town, Then you’re a city, aren’t you? Yeah. If you’re a city, yeah. Then, then you might have a mayor and, and other things. Yeah. I I I just wouldn’t expect, like Salem’s board didn’t know what each individual employee, how they’re spending their time. I wouldn’t expect that. Yeah, Fine. The, um, The mayor sits on the, uh, Look, I, I think this has been a great discussion. It is exactly what I hoped would happen And, uh, therefore I conclude my report. Madam Chair. Well, then you may take a bow. How’s that sound?

1:01:25 Uh, so now we’re on to the transfer station update. All right. Transfer station update. So, yes. Um, we began the compact replacement last Monday. Um, we were working, even though it was a holiday, um, unfortunately we found out once they removed, um, the chute, which goes down into the compactor, um, they found, so when you come to the compactor building, there’s a metal floor that the trucks backup up or vehicles backup up onto to dump into the chute that goes down into the compactor and pushes it into the trailer. That metal floor has rust, has I beams that run across from the concrete foundation, and w has begun to rust out. So there’s rust that has created holes and stuff like that.

1:02:13 So when the compactor guys were pulling the chute out to replace the chute, they saw the deterioration of these beams and brought that to our attention to say, Hey, we can’t, we can’t connect back to this. This is not a sru we’re, we have concerns about the structural integrity. You need to bring out a structural engineer and take a look at this. Um, so right at that point, obviously we knew work was gonna stop. They couldn’t continue on, or, you know, we had to bring out the structural engineer. Uh, the structural engineer came out on Friday, um, and said, yep, I agree. You know, this, uh, metal floor, the beams all need to be replaced. Um, so we said, all right, you know, obviously we’re closed. We need to try to correct this as quickly as possible. Okay. You know, the best way to correct this is to replace it,

1:02:59 what we call say in kind. Mm-hmm. Um, so essentially a one-to-one replacement. Um, so today, I, you know, I work with them. I also spoke with a metal try, you know, we’re trying to line everything up. Um, the compactor company generally books a month out. So scheduling’s a huge issue in these places or in the, at the situation. Um, so as soon as I heard about we we’re gonna need to bring in the structural engineer, I talked to the guys that did the compactor. He said, Hey, we’re gonna need a metal fabricator. I’m gonna need a, a company to come and put these beams in. Can we get some names? Um, somebody that’s used to this work. Yep. Here’s a company that we recommend. So we started talking to this company up in New Hampshire, um, I believe it’s SNL Steelworks or Steel Fab.

1:03:46 Um, and so trying to make sure that when I speak to my structural engineer, that I can also say, these are the concerns of the fabricators and making sure that everything’s kind of a parallel track. Um, so structural engineer came in on Friday, said, how quickly can you get me a design? He said, I’ll get you this as quickly as possible early next week. Um, today I got a draft of the plan for replacement inclines, and I pass it right along to, uh, the metal fabricators. Uh, the metal fabricators will need to come down, do a site visit, take a look at it. Uh, they’ll give us an estimate and, and try to obviously, uh, start to schedule this work as quickly as possible. Um, the first thing is that to get the design out of

1:04:35 the structural engineer, um, he’s working through our architects. Um, there’s gonna be an ad service of $4,500, uh, just for the structural engineer to come out and do the design work for that. So I need a motion to, um, increase the contract to Winter street architects of an ad service for the structural engineer of $4,500 at this point. Yeah, I’ll make a motion to increase for $500. Register All those in favor? Yes. It’s a unanimous. Okay. So, I mean, essentially, you know, now it’s just working between the structural engineer, uh, the fabrication company to make sure that they have everything they need and they can give me an estimate for the cost of construction, uh, to get the metal deck back, back down.

1:05:24 Once I have the estimate, I’ll come back to the board and say, this is the cost we need to move forward with this. Um, you know, do I have an estimate for that in my head? Yeah, but I’m not, you know, it could go so many different directions. Um, as soon as we have the estimate from the f*g company, we’ll come back to you guys, get you to approve that and get, you know, start to line the workup for all these different companies. So the fabrication company will come in, do the steel work, and I’ll make sure I’m scheduling out for the compact repair company to come in. Right. As soon as they’re done. If possible, We need to schedule sooner a meeting sooner to, So as soon as I have the information, yeah. As soon as I have a, like an estimate that from the fab company Yep. And he’s like, all right, let’s go.

1:06:12 I might need to call a meeting to have, but I need to have that. Yeah. Um, and so yeah, as soon as I have that, I’ll call a meeting to get that approved, and so we can continue. Well, we’re also, if, If we’re gonna, if we’re gonna be at the state of the town, we’ll be together February 5th. Yeah. So generally, I don’t post the state of the town. Well, maybe we should, but let me, let me talk to the fab company. He’s been very communicate, you know, very good about, with the communication. Um, I should know tomorrow how long it’s gonna take him to, to put the estimate together. When was the last time the compactor was replaced? Uh, I couldn’t tell you when the last time. So the, the compact was rebuilt. Oh, definitely. Yes, definitely. So This is the first time you’ve ever seen definitely what it looks like underneath? No, so the compactor got re rebuilt in

1:06:59 2007, 2016, 2017. Okay. Um, we blew the piston on that compactor and we pulled it out to replace that. Okay. Um, but that was the first time that, you know, we’ve done any substantial work to that compactor in that way. So you’ve only seen what was underneath one time. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And even then you couldn’t see, so that, you know, what’s shielding these beams is the chute itself. Yeah. So you, you know, obviously that’s, well, that’s What I mean. You’ve never seen under the chute No. Until then. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Just curious. Yep. Um, how Far back does this compactor shoots and everything go? Was it what, 20, 30 years? Uh, so 19, uh, 1978 was when this compactor building was built.

1:07:48 So we switched over from 25, 47 Years. Yeah. Yep. So we switched over from Ash Landfill to a transfer station in 1978.

1:08:04 How bad do you think the cost is gonna be, roughly? My estimate is $50,000 Max. Max. And how do we, do we have like, emergency funds fund? Yeah. So we, we have a waste revolving account that we’re using for the construction of the projects. Um, so, you know, you’re, again, you’re, if you had, if we had gone in, if we had received a, a valid bid when we went out to bid and you had run into this problem, obviously this work would have to get done. Generally, there’s two ways to go about it. So you can deduct off your contracts and then try to add it back in at a later time. Um, and the way this is gonna work is that you’re gonna be spending money that was allocated to the project, you know, just like you would trying

1:08:52 to fix up this compactor building, and then we will be allocating money back in through the waste revolving account to continue working on this project. You better off that. We didn’t have to do the whole Volvo wax at once. Yeah. If we, if we had been under contract, it could have caused more issues for us then if we found it this way. So it’s turned out to be a positive thing. Yeah. Um, but the idea is that yes, we will continue to work on getting, looking at the project. So the next phase is do we put out just the site work for the building and see what that comes in, and then do the compactor building or try to do the site work and the building would be the next phase. So then you’d have phase two would be the scale house.

1:09:40 And then, um, phase three would be the swap shed. So I’ll be talking to the architect to see what we think about. Do we, should we just be doing the, the site work and then the building, or can we group those together?

1:09:57 Well, thank you for this, uh, report. I’m glad we found it before it was all done. Yeah. If something could have happened, if, if, uh, they didn’t find it. Yeah. I mean, really the worst is if we had been in construction, everybody was scheduled to go, we find this issue and then you, you just, you’re extending out your contracts and you could potentially have some liability for certain things. So, So you gave us a rough guess and cost. Yeah. How about time? The time is the hardest piece. So I’ve been really lucky so far where I was able to get the structural engineer out, you know, the Friday after we found the issue on Tuesday, I have a contractor that’s willing to give us a price and do the work. Um, I have my wavering to the state to say I can move

1:10:44 outside of procurement laws. It’s waste related anyways, so I could do that. But we filed this because we have been trying to do this project to say, I can choose one contractor. I don’t need to put this out to bid and I can move. I’m hoping that I’ll have an estimate in the next couple of days and I can come back to you guys and say, Hey, we need to meet quickly. Let’s get this scheduled. Uh, we believe that the steel, there’s a steel company either in New Hampshire or Maine that we believe has this material in stock. And so it’s just gonna be a matter of, you know, how quickly can everybody get assembled, get it down here, and get it back together. Obviously you’re gonna have to take it apart first, um, and then get it back together. So you expected be getting something together

1:11:32 for this week that we may have to get together? I, I’m hoping so. I want this, you know, the long, so the, you know, the, the lead time for some of these companies where the compaction company is saying, you know, it, it might take us a month to get back here. I think I can really work with them, but I need to make sure everybody has information as soon as I have information to try to keep everybody in, in sync and in line to keep this moving forward. The, the contractor company we had estimated that they were gonna be doing that job for two weeks. They were unscheduled to do that job in a week and a half, so quicker than we thought they were gonna be able to do it. Were they lucky they didn’t have to do, it was cold weather. They were doing it in the cold weather. So they were right right there when it was, you know,

1:12:18 we had a little bit of snow that we plow, plowed, plowed out for them first thing Monday morning. Um, you know, I was on site at seven o’clock Monday morning. They were on site at quarter of eight. So It’s pretty close. Yep. All right. So you wanna go on to the next item? So, one more question. Yep. So you’re thinking what we’re replacing is 47 years old? Yeah. I’m not so sure it’s that old, but I think some of the main beams are Yes. Close to being that old. It seems, You know, who would know is Tom’s wife? ‘cause she was on the board, what, what years In the eighties And the eighties. So she would know what she would probably know. So What, what we did when we wanted to move forward

1:13:04 with this project is that we brought a structural engineer in to take a look at the building to make sure there weren’t any red flags for us. He didn’t s point out any of these red flags. He didn’t see any issues at that time. And he said that we were going able to move forward. Obviously we noted that there were some purlins on the building, um, that we were gonna need to replace. ‘cause those were obviously, you know, bent and damaged and stuff like that. But there was nothing for him to say No, this building is not structurally sound that you can continue on at that time.

1:13:41 I was just wondering if there’s any at parallel Yep. That we can treat the steel or do what we can that it might last more than 47 years. Yeah. So we’re, we’re looking to galvanize the steel this time compared to the last time. Yeah. So we had, that’s like the one extra piece is, you know, so there was two kind of processes that we’re looking at to, to see, to make sure we can extend longevity of the, the items should it be painted like a bridge gets painted on a regular basis. Um, and we were gonna paint our building our steel structure that way anyways. Um, but the fat steel fad guys believing that the best way to do it is to galvanize it.

1:14:22 My first, my first engineering job as a junior year at MITI worked for US Steel and they had a lot of US steel was big in Pittsburgh. Yep. And they had a lot of effort that the research lab was doing. How could they treat steel to last longer beyond faces of buildings and all that. So that galvanized probably the best you can start, see what you can find. Yeah. And so it’s gonna be a matter of like, you know, when I talk to the steel fabricator, you know, do we galvanize it and, and also paint it? Or does a painting hurt the galvanization? Um, I have to kind of rely on the expert that works with it on a regular basis. I also have to ask him when I galvanize the steel and he welds it, what do I need to do for those welded areas and stuff like that.

1:15:08 Yeah. The, the two things that are, you know, so the most caustic piece that this is, that’s hitting this steel is technically the Lee eight that’s coming outta the back of the trash trucks and splash and on the ground. Mm-hmm. Um, that material can be very caustic, obviously. It’s, it’s open to the weather. Um, we often salt and treat those areas. Um, so that brine water has been getting down there. Um, but just, you know, these guys tend to work. So obviously the compact compactor company that we’re using is very used to these very caustic and harsh, you know, conditions. Um, and this steel company, I believe is, is similar. Um, but we just need to ask these questions to make sure that they’re telling, you know, if they have any suggestions.

1:15:58 Good questions. Alright. So we wanna move on Yeah. To the opioid, uh, settlement defense. I’m just more curious about where, I mean, I know we don’t get to have a say in them, but I saw that the settlement finalized now. So we currently have $330,000 from the settlement. Um, I’m not exactly, I don’t, I don’t have a copy of the settlement, so I don’t know if we’re expecting additional funds over so many years. Um, I think that we went for kind of for the lump sum. Yeah. Um, so we do have a opioid, um, you know, what we call an opioid working group, um, which is the town administrator, the police chief, the fire chief and myself, um, that oversees the funds.

1:16:44 When we’ve met in the past. The idea is that we’ve gotten, um, the sandboxes, which are those Narcan, um, overdose boxes that we have in all the municipal buildings at this point. Um, the other thing that we really wanted to make sure that we had was that through working with Morgan Kavanaugh over the last couple of years, the most important thing is that if we do have a person in need that they get the proper treatment. Um, the really hard thing is that treatment, there is a huge difference between somebody that has means and somebody that doesn’t have means, and the level of treatment those people can get and afford. We wanna make sure that if there’s somebody in town that has a need, that they, we get them the best treatment possible.

1:17:31 Um, so we want to make sure that they’re getting to these 90 day programs. You know, and again, these are really high costs, so we’re trying to, the idea was to keep a large sum of money so when these needs arrive, you take that money and you get to spend it on these individuals that have the need. Now, some of the other things that we’ve talked about, um, and I think, you know, some of the other talents we’re looking at, do we need to hire individuals to kinda make sure that we’re doing the correct things for opioids or substance abuse? Um, so recently, so we have our, um, north Shore Public Health Excellence grant. We work with Salem Swamp, Scott Puberty, Danvers Beverly, um, as a coalition

1:18:18 to increase public health, um, services. We had an epidemiologist because of Covid money. Um, now that’s gone away. We don’t have a need for epidemiologists. The state allowed us to keep some of the funds. The town of Peabody hired a, um, a counselor to help put together peer support groups. The idea at this point is that to try to begin offering peer support groups in the surrounding communities. So potentially in Marblehead as well. They’re gonna help with substance abuse and anxiety issues. Those are the two largest needs at this point. There is a potential that, you know,

1:19:04 obviously we’re using these state funds currently. There is a potential that the communities that are part of this might want to kick in additional, um, settlement funds to keep these people for longer term than what we potentially have the funds for. Keep The counselors. Keep the counselors and really the person that’s setting up the support groups. But don’t we have that ability in, within our own counseling center? We do. Um, so yes, we currently have the Marble Head Counseling Center that serves this community very well. They’re gonna be introducing support groups. I think one of the things that we’ve learned also with, uh, learned to cope is that sometimes that the people in need that live in this community wanna leave this community to go other places for these support groups. What about the police officer at the high school?

1:19:50 Would they be doing something like that? No, they would not be. So they would be if they had somebody in need, You know, they used to be able to identify. Yeah. So they can identify and, and approach that person and say, Hey, you know, are you a person in need? They can obviously direct them to the Marble Lake Counseling Center, but they could talk to them about going to some of these support groups. Do we still have the, uh, police Yeah. The resource officer. We do at this point. Yes. That’s good. Yeah. Um, so that’s kinda, you know, where we stand with the opioid settlement funds. Um, the use of ‘em really, you know, we’re trying to make sure that we have a large sum of money if there’s an individual in town has that need for treatment that we can provide treatment. We had any yet? We have not. No. Okay. Yeah.

1:20:36 Well, when you say opioid settlement, this is a limited opioid settlement. Is this the one that goes back to j and j and the Sackler Cs? No, the Sacklers Supreme Court threw it out. No, this, the Sacklers just re-offered a, a new proposal, raise the money, but have more constraints. Thought This was the one that, this is the Sackler. I, this is the j and JI, I have to go back to town council and see. There’s been two pieces to the settlement. So I need to go back and see exactly what, what we’ve been paid out for. This is not Sackler. Okay. Sackler just came out sometime this last week. Yeah, no, that’s why, that’s why I threw this on there because I knew they’re in Limbo. This is, this is j and j and,

1:21:21 and is it CVS in this, I Believe? Yeah. Yeah. These are, these are the distributors who absolutely should have known that, uh, the number of Oxycontin pills was a hundred times the, the residents of the town. Okay. That they were doing it. So they got the pharmaceutical people first. The settlers, settlers have not, they’re still wanting protection. Yes. Personal protection. And, but they’ve just come, they’ve offered another billion dollars. They were seven. Massachusetts Gets 109 million or something like that. Yeah. So, but, but that, that one, it’ll be very interesting to see how the new administration handles those things. But, but in any event, that is not the opioid settlement.

1:22:10 Okay. It’s the first opioid settlement. Thanks for Clarifying. And also, I would like to suggest the Marblehead Mental Health Task Force has moved to be a think tank for these kind of things. Okay. Dr. Leba is he, this is where his private practice sits, but he also has brought in to, to that group, um, people who, who do this constantly. I would suggest that either on a Monday meeting we joint meet with the Marble Head medal, or you asked, I know you’ve asked Mark kind of he was supposed to come. I know, but yes, we know that. Apologized to that today.

1:22:56 But, but he, we, the Mar Marblehead Mental Health Task Force normally meets on a Monday night. It usually meets on the first Monday. But we should, we should try either to invite Mark, either to the, Oh, Andrew was, was going to, uh, reach out to him to reschedule. But all I’m saying is that we had 11 or 12 people on our last meeting. Four or five or active per one of whom is Terry. Clearly from the counseling center. Right. But, um, we have one guy who’s in the middle of writing a book about a new way of treating people like this. And he talked about it. I mean the, the, the, the Marblehead Mental Health Task Force. Look, I, I, this is not anything I know much about

1:23:43 professionally, but I can tell these guys know what they’re talking about, and it’s a very active conversation. It would be worthwhile having them in this room. So my instinct would be for Mark to come and talk to this group about that. Um, obviously making sure that he, he knows that he is gonna come here and talk about this with us. He should be talking to the mental health task force first to, to work together to say, right. Mark’s gonna be your spokesperson. You know, make sure he has all, all the information relative to that. In terms, Has he gotten back to you about, uh, No, because we, we wanted, you know, this meeting was so packed that we needed to get a different date for Marty. Okay.

1:24:24 So are you ready to go onto the, the, the meeting minutes information? Yeah, The meeting minutes. Um, so we have a, we received a, um,

1:24:37 open meeting law complaint, um, from the office of the Attorney General. Um, so the, the complaint is that the Marblehead Board of Health has failed to respond. Oh.

1:24:54 The Board of Health has failed to publish minutes for the LA for the past six months, during which time eight meetings were held. Um, publish the meeting minutes for the period stated, um, Sylvia will need to respond to this. Um, the one thing that I can state is that the last meeting minutes that are on the website are September 10th. The meeting minutes that we need to have approved are October 8th, October 22nd, November 12th. December 10th, December 13th, and January. January 14th. Um, that’s not six months. Um, it’s only, you know, December, November, and October. Um, but we will have the meeting minutes on the agenda for our first meeting in February.

1:25:41 We will have those, you know, approved now For the February 11th meeting. For the February 11th meeting. Yes. So you can you, so we will write that to the Commonwealth. You can Yeah. Write that. Yep. I can write that to the Commonwealth. Um, I also believe that the response to the Commonwealth, I have talked to Kyle quickly, our understanding is not, it’s not required that meeting minutes be published on a time They’re supposed to Be available. They’re supposed to be available. Yes. So, you know, we can, I will see how the Selectmen have received this complaint in the past. I will see how they responded to that. Um, and include that in the response. But I will res be responding saying that at our February meeting, the board will be approving

1:26:27 the following minutes and make them Did this individual ask for the minutes or did he He did not. So he hasn’t even requested them? No. How does he know they’re not available? They, he’s just saying they’re not available. ‘cause they’re not published on the website. Well, they don’t Have to be publishing. That’s correct. To be available. Yeah. Okay. All. So maybe we could answer that way. Yeah. And that they’ll be ready. Yep. Thank you. So you don’t need to make Up No, I do not. Sure. Um, alright. So before we go to public comments, I’ll just make these announcements. Um, the, the state of the town is February 5th. It’s always very interesting to see. Could you Say more about that? I don’t Know much. Yeah. So the state of the town is the kickoff to the budget season. So the state of the town is really supposed to be, it’s put on generally by our finance director in the past. Um, it’s generally about an hour long.

1:27:12 I think this year they have scheduled an hour, hour and a half. I think Last year went three hours, I think went several hours. But it is the state of the town. This is where we are financially. This is where we want our boards and commissions to be budgeting, um, trying to get us to a level, uh, budget, you know, funded budget for town meeting. So it’s the kickoff to the budget season. Is This in person? Is this a virtual? It’s, it’s both. So it’s hybrid At the, uh, So it’s at Abbot Hall. Oh, at Abbott Hall. Yeah, At the select board. Um, And you, if you plan to go, he’s gonna post it though, isn’t he? Don’t you? I don’t believe so. That’s, it’s only if you’re talking with the board members. Yep. You can. Yep. You can. Um, so just like town meeting, you know, you’re not gonna get called on to be, you know, making a dec Okay.

1:27:57 Decision or anything like that. Um, so this year is a slightly different budget season where they asked for budgets back in September. Generally, this tells us exactly where we are and they give us our marching orders and we go on, it is generally before the psych board meeting. And then the psych board will roll into their meeting at seven 30, Which was very long last year. ‘cause I had something fun. Well,

1:28:28 The, uh, charter committee interviewed the finance committee last week. I was pretty impressed that we had three people came and they, they, one, they really talk about dedicated volunteers. Yeah. I mean, my God, they, they saints, they, they came up. They really had a great attitude. They did this outta service. Yeah. It made you proud to be a new marble head. I have to tell you that, that that group and They’re knowledgeable, They’re very, very Knowledgeable. They really knew what they were. Yeah. And, and the charter committee has people on it who know how to ask good questions too. Yeah. So Did you speak with Ali Goolsby? Yeah. Tara and Pat Franklin. Yes. Yeah, they were Very good.

1:29:17 Yeah. Yeah. So, um, and our next very, Very, that’s what I want people to say about the board of health. Right. They, I pe people stop me all the time and tell us we’re doing a great job. Um, in our next meeting, our regular meeting is February 11th. And, um, if we have the second meeting, um, I have a conflict for the February 24th. I, I can meet, uh, virtually unless people are willing to meet on the Tuesday, February 18th, which would only be a week, a a week after. So, um, but I’m, I’ll, I’ll meet virtually. It depends on what the, when I made my arrangements, we weren’t meeting twice a month. So either we can,

1:30:02 My suggestion is to obviously meet February 11th, um, see what we think the, um, agenda’s gonna be for the February 24th. Um, it is very easy for us to meet in the hybrid situation. Um, so Lene could be on Zoom and the two board members could be here. Yeah. Um, but we, we can discuss that more. Well, It’s all, it’s very easy, except when I’m outta town, it’s not that easy for me. But I, um, I I’m dedicated to my community. Uh, that’s why I was just throwing out the 18th as an option if people wanted to just put it on hold or like you said, see if we need it. And I will meet hybrid and I’ve done it a lot. So I should The 18th is the third Tuesday? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Charter is fourth Tuesday, so Yeah. So that’s not, if

1:30:48 people could put that on hold, that would be great. Um, if it is it’s school vacation, but none of us have, well, you have a school aged child, but you don’t have to, uh, drive him to school and pick them up and play. He passed his driver’s license. He has. Oh, nice. Oh, good. My, my world is changing. There’s no school vacation. This shark, there’s No school vacation. I, so it’s not even vacation. Okay. All right. So Mean 30 go away. Well, I’m just saying. Yeah. So that’s why I took the Okay. Doesn’t matter. So, um, let’s see how we do. But would you mind holding the 18? Yep. Yep. You wouldn’t mind, or no? I can, I can, I can Hold the 18. Thank you. All right, great. Um, so, uh, any, uh, yeah, comments

1:31:33 As someone, I, I was chief of my department for 25 years. I had to give a lot of performance reviews. I think in your job description, remember that it is also a document for review. So you can’t make it so generalized that you can’t actually, I, if Andrew disappears this, this is the idea for it to go on in perpetuity. Right. So you want a document that you can use for review also. So there is that balance between making it too specific and too generalized. Otherwise, you don’t really have criteria other than feelings. Well, I think you did it if you don’t. So that just a comment from My Well, I think that that’s very helpful.

1:32:19 And I think I might have been stating that. Well, you tov you were just talking about the published version mostly, right. Of his job description. Yeah. I But that yeah, that, that’s kind of what I was reading as that’s the same thing, but I’m just saying, you know, just it wasn’t that Yeah. Obviously. Yeah. Yeah. It was more, more in depth. The ones that you’ve Worked Well, no, I, yes. I’m just thinking, I’m thinking that. I, I agree with, I’m agreeing with everything that we, who might agree, but I, it, it sounds good to me everything you’re doing until you get to the point of review and then, you know, you want some more specifics to go for. And just like you were suggesting, almost every review has goals involved, right?

1:33:07 Mm-hmm. No, you don’t just say, great, nice job. You know, Andrew and I talked about that, about Goals and it’s goals for them of against which they are measured the next year And which they work, which they give the employer or the right chairman. Right. And because it’s not just goals, the chairperson or the employee, Right? It’s, it’s usually, it’s, I mean, in most reviews you’re asking for their input back. Yes. Mm-hmm. What would you think would be good goals for you for the next year? You’re not just asking, well, you know, we want you what help. Do you know what I mean? Do that. You’re asking what would be reasonable. And Especially if, if, you know, cleaning the bathrooms wasn’t on his list and he and the bathrooms are dirty.

1:33:52 We can’t fault him the dirty bathrooms. Right. But, but this is also, as you’re getting back to, you’re changing, you’re wanting to change just even in the town report. I totally agree with you. Totally agree with you. People have to know that, for example, we anticipate, you know, such and such coming because I think that’s very helpful rather than when it comes, you know, it comes as a shock. Mm-hmm. I mean, what Do you mean How trash costs work? You know, or, you know, that is A better example is H five N one. Andrew and I have had great conversations about that. It is moving fast. Things are occurring and we need to be bringing that to this table on a regular basis.

1:34:37 This is another reason why I think we need to meet twice, I think Great. That we’re meeting twice a month because, uh, H five N one is now in pigs, and pigs are the Petri dish for human to human transmission. And we need to be able to explain to the town that that’s a reality. Even though the CDC and the Department of Public Health still say it’s low priority, and it probably is, but we need to know that we’re on, we are on top of it for the town. It won’t be a surprise to us as professionals. We’re, we’re, we’re there. And I, I, I agree with you. But for example, if, if we were to, to have a con con conversation with Ander about next year, I would say

1:35:25 that one of his responsibilities is to help the board communicate to the town about this, uh, increase in, uh, curbside trash pickup. We have to do that as partners. We have to figure out how to do it at every level. We need to, what research needs to be done. We need to understand what other towns are paying. Uh, understand that, what’s it called? Throw, pay and throw or something that was That up at this community again? Yeah. Oh, you think it’s dead, dead adverse. Oh, definitely is. Okay. Unless you wait another 20. Well, you put a put dollars on it. If you put dollars on it, it might, what if when You and I are gone, they may bring it up. Okay. Okay. I would, And Ms. Elliot, I would think you would still want to put a price for that

1:36:15 out there in the community if somebody’s gonna spend half the price. I don’t know. Anyway, that’s the, that’s exactly the way I think the relationship in the annual review would be what we would hear from Andrew. How can we better help him do his job and we help better define what his job will be for that next year. I, I, I, I totally agree. I mean, it’s, it’s a bi it’s bi it goes both ways. Any more comments from the community? You all set Tom? I’m Done. Yeah, A few things. Um, I talked to a lot of people about the health wellness fair. Wonderful. I was shocked

1:37:01 that a few people I suggested go that actually went. And they said it wasn’t bad. We liked it. I was shocked. My sister was wonderful. Tom, the problem that I see from the board of health is a lot of people have no clue what the hell it is. You guys really do. The only publicity that I normally see you get is crap. What do you mean? The dumps broken down again and thing’s broken. I go up there and I can’t get rid of my rubbish, you know? And it, it’s with this little snap boo, which in my estimation means you’re gonna be out of the commercial stuff for a month and a half. At least that’s my guesstimate. Hopefully I’m wrong. But, uh, it goes under hidden damage. You can’t see behind that steel plate what was there.

1:37:47 And a lot of people have no clue what it really was. It would behoove you to get some pictures, either to let them take ‘em or you take them so the press can show in the paper, this is why we didn’t know about it. We’re not incompetent. Structural engineer’s not incompetent. And that type of positive stuff you have to get. ‘cause otherwise people are, oh Jesus, they screwed up again. And, and that’s really not the case. Yep. No. Um, but overall, I think you guys do a real good job doing stuff like that. But most people have no clue. They won’t bother to watch tv. They’ll take you, they’ll hear something at town meeting. Or in the old days, like you said, we used to get all those town reports delivered by the selections department, I believe it was. And people would spend more attention reading it.

1:38:34 Now, people really don’t care. And if I understood correctly, you paid $85,000 this last month for Republic Waste to do the rubbish. Yes. Yeah. Is that also the disposal fee or just them picking it up? That’s not the tipping fee. That’s not the tipping fee. No. Even at that, for thousands of houses in Marble Head, to have ‘em come twice a week, essentially. Not twice a week, but between the respect going in the rubbish, I consider it twice a week. So Yeah, it’s approximately, I think if my numbers are right, it’s about $126, $126 per household for The year. That’s a bargain. That’s a bargain. Say more than that. On like properties than Lynn for the city service. And it’s when I lived every couple, yeah.

1:39:21 When I lived on the Cape, we were paying $150 a month About a year. People just don’t know that it’s a good deal. ‘cause they don’t know. Right. So you gotta get some publicity out there somehow. Yeah, yeah. Start hyping yourself up. No. You know, and so we, we try, you know, I try to, I’ve spoken at the slick board meeting. Um, but yeah, you, you have to continue to do it. May, may, maybe you need a column like the, um, the mental health task force has, do you know what I mean? Public health column, you know. No, I’m trying To get, well, in a few years when they, you another person to help with that

1:39:55 You, You’re Doing, it’s very helpful. Gives people read your, your uh, yeah. Information. It’s almost like a call. Yeah. I don’t know whether they do or not. I just don’t think so. I do. Yeah. And I read the other, other league’s, uh, comments and I’ve got somebody coming to the me, uh, to the chance Census discrimination that they report every month. So, ‘cause pe if you ask people about that, they wouldn’t even know what existed. Meanwhile, there’s a Holocaust Remembrance Day at 12 o’clock at Abbott Hall, which is, has to do with health. So I’d like to make that announcement at, at noon. It’s a half hour. And, uh, it’s gonna be a good program. And, uh, the clergy will be that the Marblehead Ster Association.

1:40:41 And, um, what is that? Its on 12 o’clock this Friday for a half hour. And another thing is by having the second meeting, it gives you a chance to go over a lot of stuff that would just bar down at a regular meeting. Uh, and I presume that once there’s like a five member board, you could have like subcommittees Well, that’s certain, Could do stuff like that because We can’t now because we under the open meeting. Exactly. Right. When you have the other, That was the whole purpose of not the subcommittees, but so that we could have meetings outside of, uh, speak to each other outside of this table. Okay, Ken. So thank you very much. I, uh, One last comment is, okay, how are we doing on the senior citizens to help out with Marty or somebody doing stick? So

1:41:27 I have put my application into the, um, okay. The COA, I believe there’s two people that are interested. I just need to go back to Lisa and, um, try to get them going. Um, but yeah, I would love to have, I think, I think we could definitely do two. Um, I asked our request for a computer to come in. Um, we’re creating a desk spot for the, you know, for another employee and stuff like that. Can I mention having gone on on there? Yeah. It sometimes it works really well. And boy, it didn’t work with, it didn’t, didn’t work with, uh, uh, uh, what you call it. It had problems with Chrome. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, it Had problems with Firefox. Okay. And finally I did it on my phone with Safari.

1:42:13 Interesting. Okay. So, I mean, it’s not, yeah, I mean, the first one went through, uh, ‘cause I just got ‘em, the first one went through. Great. I’m thinking, oh, this is good. Although it’s a little confusing. I think there’s a little bit of confusion, but I, that, that was more me. Um, but when I tried to, because I, I, what happened is I put one through and then I realized that I’d already paid for it. So then when I went back a second time to put in the additional one, that’s when I had all the problems. Okay. But they now have a table, then they, they’ve got a tutorial going on over there. Marty’s been doing That. So we have a, we have a computer set up at the office, so. Oh, I did it. I’m just saying, I’m just telling you that. Oh, yeah. So, no, we appreciate the feedback. Yeah. Uh, but Marty’s been very good helping people.

1:42:59 I don’t know how he’s getting anything else done, but, uh, also as far as the, the seniors just make sure that they’re qualified and that they can do what you’re asking before. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So you, you submit a job description to, um, Lisa Hooper who’s in charge of the senior tax program work off. Right. And so they’re looking for the individuals that fit the bill. Right. That can do that. Yep. Okay. Because that’s more important than having someone come here that’s Oh, yeah. Correct. Yeah. I need, I need somebody with computer cells. Okay. Um, meeting to adjourn. Is there anybody on the Oh, there is. They’re not raising their hands. Oh, Anybody raising? I’m sorry. Yeah. No hands. Motion to adjourn. Motion. So moved. Favor.

1:43:45 How many were on the, How many were on this? Uh, two online? Two.