School Committee: June 6, 2023

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0:53 I will call us to order at 7 32. um and we’re just gonna give our other committee members a minute um everyone’s kind of doing their best to get here from a lot of kid events right now so I’m just gonna give us another minute before we start off um Allegiance

2:36 I’m sorry I’m sorry um so I feel like it’s like a tax return where you start at the bottom and then we move ourselves towards the top um

2:58 I guess to um the first student she had said um yeah no I have absolutely no problems yeah

3:18 how would they do that slowly process right so I think what we’ll do is I have a suggestion if it’s helpful um so the way we’re doing it is quite unusual and so I’m open to to whatever yeah I’ve done this this process before yeah

3:39 we had three or four people to develop their assessment and so we that’s what it is nobody had seen each other’s stuff yes and completely agree with you there’s 1970 you know this is all you know certainly people can ask for a copy of any individual’s evaluation system no big deal I used to get them all in ahead of time those scrambling yeah well I typically would find useful is whether you have a highlighter or typically we’re looking for themes and I think at the end of the day we all individually have a general sense as to how we want this to shake out I think you should express our views hopefully we have good consensus on each of these areas and then you know what you can do once we sort of highlight the consensus is we

4:26 can you know work towards draft thing a consensus on each of these points and so it’s really the the check boxes you can sort of wait one two three four what have you um well that’s what I said

4:40 a comments I think you know the comments are important we want to provide thoughtful feedback and uh you know areas of growth and areas of achievement yeah so that would be my suggestion and I want to make sure that um everyone feels their voice is heard and so that each of the comments um if someone wants a comment included or feels that it’s important to to their voice that that product is um so do you want to open a a blank document a blank instruction and as the secretary kind of become describe of this

5:45 um so I think the first one that we would go to is the scoring on um student learning goal and so we’re going for the back backwards yeah because what it says is that we should step one should be a ticket step one should be filled out after the subject yeah that’s a composite um

6:35 um student learning goal it’s a work page yeah

6:42 um student learning goal I have some progress

7:00 um Allison what did you have for student learning goal all the way at the bottom like just know like whether it’s actually all the way you kind of going in order oh okay I thought

7:17 and and for like this this section

7:25 it would be where we would put his Focus indicators and description

7:34 Megan well uh which one what did you have for that um student learning goal

7:42 uh student learning I had significant progress okay student I’m going to go I had some progress okay I have met okay so it looks to me like we Tom had reached kind of between significant progress and met you had met um it looks like we land on significant progress if no one objects to that um and then do you want to go through the narrative that we would like to be part of that while we’re on that goal I’m happy to read my I had just three comments there if I had to read while out um Dr but he’s taking productive steps Incorporated data and analytics and foreign

8:34 budget as well as playing for significant reduction in teachers or professionals and staff for we have 2024 budget that’s common one two uh there’s been reasonable questions from MPS stakeholders regarding performance of college placement level English and math students on the combination of cp1 and cp2 sections everybody feel opportunity to provide specific performance data to create post consolidation demonstrated to this level students to perform better after consolidation without sacrifices migrating third accounts my reading expands significant progress to that because of the significant leadership effort should lead to approved student performance

9:24 I also talked about the use of data um since being important to sort of identifying places areas of concern with student achievement in areas that are going well um I talked about the stabilization of Medco program this being important within that saying that was specifically stated within that goal um and that Dr Bucky has done a good job to create a strong working relationship with Johnson um and that continuing to see the increase in number of metco students uh would be important moving forward um and then recommended uh focusing for next year

10:09 additionally on the student services department and ensuring research-backed programming is continuing to build and funded uh within that department

10:25 actual goals that we sent to Dr Bucky we he did actually hit all of them um for the most part so I thought it was important to highlight that because that’s what you know that’s the Benchmark we set for him um so I had a note about that I had about metco as well and some of the things but I think one other thing I don’t know if I don’t want to be said it so I’ll just highlight it is that um Dr gave voice to students through a number of different mechanisms including thought exchange his student engagement forums and the universal Behavior survey

11:03 uh so for me let me get back to mine I need three monitors yeah so I’m going to use a paper to do it I think um I definitely agree that obviously Miss Johnson has been a phenomenal addition to our metco program and I’m looking forward to that continued stabilization there uh it he he notes that he wants to expand the program one thing that my professional life I always appreciate details um behind just kind of stating a narrative I think that it’s important to have those details in order to be able to then fully evaluate um so in regards to the Metro program I would like hearing more about those

11:48 Communications and about the feedback that he receives from the mecco students anonymously of course I’m not um looking out um and or or go against that but I think it’s important to hear those details to hear that feedback directly from the students involved in the program and also hear his details on how he wants to expand it and why he thinks it’s been stabilized um in addition I agree he has spent a lot of time on professional development which is so important and it’s key for his professional development’s key for the district to keep moving forward and dedicating or showing that deep commitment for him as well as all of our administrators teachers it is just

12:35 wonderful it would be nice again can be seen for me to see details around how those learnings from those professional developments were implemented in the district you know in particular understand how those implementations then kind of trickled down to improve the students um and and I mean like detailed specifics about it not just stating that something happened um he also noted something about how inclusion is misused and misunderstood it’s something that I’ve talked to him about before on a number of occasions I kind of agree with that I think everybody has their own idea about what inclusion means what it’s maybe supposed to mean what people think it means there are a lot of assumptions there I think it would be good to follow up in his

13:22 Communications with what he has kind of determined inclusion means for MBS what our definition is and hearing more detail around how we can better support or what we can do to help facilitate better support in those inclusion classrooms in those supported classrooms I think that would be

13:48 um I I noted that Dr Bucky meeting with the students saying total students stakeholders should be celebrated um I would like to I think Sarah touched on this movie board I’d like to see Dr Buckey meet with students receiving special education services as well I think that was one group that wasn’t touched on um I’d like a little bit more Outreach with that group I know that we have Paul that does that but as you know the CEO of our district I think it’s significant group I think 20 to 23 and 24 of our students are on IEPs and I think to connect with those students and kind of hear feedback from them and or their parents would be helpful in guiding some decision making moving forward in the

14:34 student services department um and then I talk about the data collection I think iready is great for the data that we could collect from it it’s been really helpful to me as a school Committee Member and I think as the community gets used to it more it’s a very useful tool for um parents to kind of keep an eye on on growth as well as we all worry about effects of covid-19 pandemic what I would like to see more definitive examples are is if he could give a few examples to us of you know this was the the data we again not personalized information from the student but you know maybe talking about a student that is receiving Services someone at the grade level and someone who’s Advanced how we use that data to come back to specialize their

15:20 educational path to them because I think that’s what we’re hearing the beauty of iready is is it really allows us to do that I would like him to I would like Dr Bucky to give us a few finite examples of how we’re using this programming to improve students helps um and and how you know if you will like show us the math to not just the answer on the test um so I would I would like to just see a little bit more of that um and I talk a little bit about that with instructional rounds as well it’s something I’ve talked with Dr Bucky throughout the year about I think it’s great that he has the visibility in the schools I think it’s really important for our students from staff to see them in the buildings but I would like some examples of how that has provided a

16:07 growth outcome you know even if it’s an example of we saw XYZ occurring I then directed The the building level to do XYZ it was implemented four months later this was this teacher was you know then training the trainer model you know I just would like to see how because it is a significant amount of time that is spent doing this I think I I ran the band it’s probably about 120 work hours on these instructional rounds I just would like to see examples of how this is grown students so I’ll just make one comment and that is I’m gonna read you the goal for student learning I think it’s simple

16:50 on all of you raise your hand if you had a writing as well what are the 23 Academic Year I will Empower and design opportunities for students and Educators to build foundational leadership capacity through opportunities for student voice Choice representation and advocacy doing so I’ll further develop the diversity Equity inclusion Initiative for the plan for Success while stabilizing and advancing the Metro program increasing equity for all students with specific focus on students speed receiving special services so so yeah can I just answer that though so that original goal on from what was voted on it actually stops after metco program okay so I just want to in this process because I will not be

17:36 seated in the next school committee I would highly advise us to have perhaps a little more meat on the bone as to our goals because I think some of what was discussed by evaluation really did not apply back to the actual goal and so when you think about the smart the acronym that you know Massey uses we probably can do a little more work as a school committee to probably Define better goals so I’m not in any way minimizing any comments or whatever because I actually like the outcome but I just so it’s piece so that’s why we’ve got his actual goals that were in our package which has the key actions and the benchmarks and so that’s what I used when I was saying okay did he do this action did he just throw these

18:23 benchmarks so in my mind like that’s what we voted on and that’s what we should be then by turning him on that was what I was using as well the documented 22 23 Bucky goals to go back and compare what he was telling us in his yeah no and that’s what we’re for me it’s the measurability piece how did the student voice and choice how was that measure I just don’t see I see that he had these engagements with them but I don’t see the measurability piece of how that led to these improved that comes back to again you know the quality of the rules so that’s that’s our that’s our job so it’s just that’s the point going forward for all of us to concerned we can move on so what are the comments so now we’ve all read our comments

19:15 yes and we can’t put all six paragraphs um so is there you know I see the theme that came out was everyone feels that um Dr Bucky met his goal in the netco program and was able to stabilize so that should be a lead sentence under Buck he was able to stabilize the Metro program um um I’m going to type these out I said okay originally I was going to write them not okay just yeah that’s about he was able to successfully stabilize right now

19:57 and when we voted them that day we did in that meeting at the student services piece that’s why he added it to his okay um so I have not seen so I would like to say moving forward please just say a growth area is improving outcomes for special education thinking about your engagement engagement and inclusion

20:37 and then maybe a note about um you know the school committee will work with drabaki to

20:48 develop more measurable ability to the goals for 23. this is under the student goal yeah it might be a thing overall I think yeah well eventually we just put it in like the summit yeah well this is more sort of feedback for us okay that’s what I’m saying I mean I think that’s important but I think they’re as an example one of us saying no I’m not going to find mine just try I think it’s okay to add some additional comments that are in and around student learning that may not be specified or prescriptive in this role so I don’t have a real issue with anyone’s comments to be honest with you I have no because at the end of the day the general theme is what it’s going to be

21:34 right a lot of performance assessment but you know as an example like he notes that the superintendent advisory lunches were successful why were they successful and that I shouldn’t need to we should as a school committee shouldn’t need to put it in the goal that he needs to explain to us why when you’re doing an evaluation for anybody you you have to have that substance or context behind it I’m not saying they weren’t successful I think it is wildly important for him to be out there and seen and talking to students at all levels and I think I know my son in particular loves when he comes to the class it’s a big deal you feel like a celebrity is walking in the room and it makes you feel important I would like to know something as an example you know

22:21 what was the impact or what was the feedback or any experiential comments that people made that they were okay having shared even anonymously at those lunches so that we can understand where you know progress need we need more progress or we where we’ve already done a great job some sound bites to support sort of the pros that’s here that’s what I yeah I am spoken about that acceptance for that because you mentioned growth era growth error would be um quantifying impact of um

23:09 quantify yeah Quantified of the data derived from these

23:25 um I also like the idea of knowing is it the same 10 people that are coming every time whether it’s to his advisory lunches I think that they select different people each time but I’m not 100 sure on that to be honest or Fair um but and for his coffee talks at the different schools that he has with ptos are there different people coming every time or is it always the same people that come I’m not suggesting we put names but that’s would not be okay but just understanding the the net that we’re casting because I think that has something to do with success as well yeah and I think that can come absolutely Okay so we’ve got netco we’ve got some gross opportunities um Tom you’ve had you know okay once that I don’t think we should come hit on your exhibitions yeah I mean I think uh

24:12 you know Dr Bucky has taken a uh you know proactive steps on data sharing to back up some of the initiatives in student learning and I think as you noted I ready it’s a big trust student longitudinal assessment to see if you can follow child’s progress Benchmark against themselves throughout the course of the year I think that’s exciting data you know I think the district will have to learn how to best incorporate and now we have the data like what is it what was the next step yeah so it’s brand new so I think it’s great that we’ve done this and I think it provides a sort of because all we really have now is epcaps and yeah you know we’re off cycle for that so I think that’s really good I I like the fact that you know we got questions for the

24:57 community about consolidation of cp1 and CB2 it’s reasonable and if you came back with performance data that you know um I thought was you know address the question to to some degree and I think provides more Comfort around that because again I always want to ask the questions about political tracking or it seems to actually separated me I still have that sort of bias and I was wrong so I think you know his use of data in general I think has been quite good especially when asked surprised I would where it is our second year I’m sorry just to fall through that because I want to make sure that we’re capturing it so that we can move on so just like I almost think like instead of paper Printing full sentences we’re doing like bullet points here

25:42 right now so I would say that it was like successful implementation of Industry tools such as I ready to enhance individual individual student performance assessment yes continuous performance assessment right so so that’s the piece that I want to push back on a little bit because this is our second year of I ready I think the data has been great I want you in the second year of C what is the next step of data collection what is implementation what is our response what what rtis are we using now that we have the data and I’m not seeing the RTI examples I’m seeing the examples of data collection but I haven’t seen what is the RTI exam so I think maybe that’s his

26:29 reporting back because that is going getting into things that are not our purview but I would say I’ve gotten as talking to Nan and John on a weekly basis and also for my own child but those things are happening in the classroom so it’s not that it’s not happening what we’re asking for is done the quantification which we’ve already hit on yeah but it has successfully implemented it and they are successfully using it to further individualize the academic plan for every child right so I think I think sometimes right so so it’s being used it’s it’s the data is then being that’s collected as being applied to children because I would agree with Megan’s statement that I’ve seen it used with my own child I’ve seen

27:15 it and I’ve heard anecdotal things from other people so I know that it is being used but next year how can Dr Bucky communicate that better to the committee’s examples because I want to see that it’s not just being used for the for the accurate level below at grade level I think it’s a great tool to use for above grade level and I’m not I’m not I have not seen evidence of how that is being well it’s I think it’s a little bit it’s like anything you put the input into a boat you take some time to First understand the video you’re collecting and then formerly plants to implement the data for actual what have you I think my guess is you know this is all relatively new to the district name

28:02 done a reasonably good job I think for next year we’re talking about goal setting now that’s a reasonable goal that’s qualifiable and measurable and that would be my interpretation of that so do we have everything covered under the narrative whatever you want sure drunken was able to successfully stabilize the metco program sorry I’m like feeling very emotional now because my son is um pitching for the second time and I’m missing it so um a growth area is improving outcomes relevant to special education to include engagement

28:38 around the details that are required to more thoroughly evaluate quantify the impact and the data derived from these student and Community facing initiatives and this is all going under student learning goal one right correct yes so could we put something in there about the use of i-Ready guess how do you want that to order it says successfully Incorporated data and analytics to inform performance versus student learning goals

29:08 successfully Incorporated data and analytics to perform performance versus student learning roles Etc Etc right yeah so successful informative data in the analytics to inform performing goals

29:42 I think also um has been responsive to stakeholders regarding responsive to stakeholders using data I just thought we said two schools maybe just talking about questions from public around cp162 and I thought the response is pretty good I was doubtful first

30:30 and basically having a significant Progressive so you don’t want the narrative to be balanced

30:39 do you want me to add that you feel um

30:55 I guess we’ll use data to address stakeholder questions regarding

31:05 combination of college placement levels in the high school

31:21 demonstrate increased student performance after accommodation applications foreign um um

32:07 I can read the I’ll read the goals for the public throughout the 23 school year I will continue to build a strong relationships with the school community and the teachers union while developing a high function leadership team of District administrators and principals through my continued participation in the new superintendent induction program I’ll continue developing skills and strategy and budget development data analysis and structural leadership

32:45 thank you okay Sarah Matt ers made some progress so we’re Landing between significant progress and do you want to go through the narrative first and we visit it don’t you want to just land I mean I’ll tell you I went through the again the key actions on the goals and I couldn’t find one that he had them done he did every single one of them so I think I think he met that goal okay do you mind reading it out because I don’t have his in front of me yep so the goal throughout the 23 school year to those final relations School Community teachers union build a high function leadership team administrative principles certain participation abuse induction program

33:31 Institute development skills strategy budget data and instructions and such um those are the focusing indicators right no in his actual goals we have the seven key actions because

33:54 attend all sessions and complete all nsip assignments attend conferences for leadership and governance professional development he’s just a six of them which I’m not going to read but he you know including the um New England Association for school students attendance m-a-s-ss and nasc North Shore superintends Roundtable to name a few meet regularly with my cohort consultancy group and assigned coach on a regular basis facilitate two book studies with the leadership team lead a three-day summer Retreat and a two-day mid-year retreat with the leadership team weekly meetings with MES mea sorry mea and establish a model of shared leadership with building principals and directors and facilitating meetings and PD for leadership team but

34:40 but but um I am happy to you know go with significant progress or met mine again focuses on for me with the goal he sees was you know proving relations with the Union that lack of that the feedback from them in a 360 Anonymous review is hard for me to say have we improved those relations or not without hearing from that body so to bring me it just keeps tracking back to the measurability of did we did we achieve that goal of improving manipulations without hearing that we did I’ll tell you what I’ve observed uh you know collective bargaining units are the lack of

35:27 grievances number one there was vigorous support at the budget hearing public hearing on the budget from Collective board and supported Dr Bucky in the support of the budget um you know I thought there was their support you know when Dr Bucky proposed a sick Bank better last which was approved and greatly appreciated by the technical party so I actually would would probably push back a little bit on that I don’t think it’s our place to reach into the collective bargaining needs for as a school committee it’s just not our own certainly not prescribed by Massey so I actually think the evidence is there for a strong relationship I think my general comment from again been here for a short

36:13 amount of time Ralph’s pretty high you’d have very high retention rates professional staff in this sort of narrative that we pay less people can always go to somewhere else and they’re unhappy who’s got pretty good protection I know we’re familiar with contract here I agree and I think in previous years when we put the question whether the union would be interested in filling that out they’ve pushed back and said definitely not so it’s hard for me to call Dr Bucky for something that is beyond this control so I would um I have the same problem too with not yes we can measure that they were attended I think this leads me back to what we said the first

37:00 one where we we need to say more and do more when we’re setting these goals your job is to attend them it’s not I don’t I don’t consider that a goal I think that’s something you should do in your job I wouldn’t that that to me is you know more how I see it and admittedly having me having been my first year I probably didn’t wasn’t maybe thinking the process the whole way through and at the end how would I measure it how would I see the impact to students as a result of going to all of these things um certainly agree that his professional development is important um it’s what will help him to become a better stronger leader and you know be able to more personally communicate to people um

37:45 um um I think for me it’s a learning lesson that next year we need to make sure that we add more on to those goals in that we want to see how this ties back to the students um and how it ties understand how it ties back to teachers Etc as well I don’t subscribe to the notion that morale is high because people are sticking around I would disagree with that but that’s fine um I I actually feel morale as well that’s just I think we all kind of exist in our own sphere of what we View and what we’ve seen so that could be what I I my takeaway is and so I can understand that others is different I do not feel miles

38:40 so what do we want as the statements under this and where are we agreeing on met for that yeah yeah okay

38:59 that he has attended all of I don’t I don’t think we need to list them all either right I mean I just was very general in my comments I said Dr Bucky met the school and delivered on the corresponding key actions

39:11 I was short and sweet so I also mentioned that um he was elected as the leader of the North Shore superintendent’s Roundtable by that group um so that that speaks to you know what others see in leadership skills um and it’s obviously what we want you know in a superintendent um I’ve seen him work this year quite hard to get to know people on the committee and grow relationships with them um

39:49 even when I’ve disagreed with him you know he takes my feedback with thoughtful consideration um

40:00 yeah and I I said that you know that Dan and Nan although they will be missed it’s a great Testament to good mentorship and healthy working relationships that these two District leaders are moving forward to attain their career goal as becoming superintendents and then that others have been promoted from within happy to read my comments Dr Bucky’s demonstrated excellent leadership with the senior team complete principles and assistant superintendents Charles high is outstanding working relationship with like the party this was evidence recently this presentation sick leave bank secure bigger support for the CPUs designs Beyond these excellent relationships Dr Bucky has enjoyed significant retention with him within the MPS ranks even in the face of some districts compensating more this is a sign of setting of State leadership

40:46 leadership leadership second comment Dr Bucky is taking advantage of Grants to furthest professional development of several Regional National level superintendents conferences should be encouraged to do so Dr Buckley was elected by superintendents of other districts on the North Shore Mass the chair of the superintendent’s Roundtable this attachment was piercing skills and credibility I’ve encouraged Dr Bucky to take more take a more primary role in planning and managing School communities as the CEO of the district Dr Bucky has been trying to establish frequent direct communication with each School Committee Member he should continue to leave kind of like a suggestion should we just cut and paste yours and then we can maybe like cross out a sentence here or two but I think that kind of yes we just

41:31 talked about and rather than like re-rewarding it because I I do say a growth area and this is intervene in my raw is that encouraging Dr Bucky’s look we need to know there’s lease in the front you know we have a lot of strong voices on the school committee you’re our CEO you need to be sort of front center in the meeting not everyone’s side anymore and you know we just need to hear more from you about what you stand for and what you believe in you need to bring your committee along and I know he’s been meeting with all of us now on a somewhat regular Tempo that’s a change I think we should celebrate that and this committee and the new community it should also so I’m very anxious instead of just having

42:16 to like he’s being looked back together just yeah whatever you guys wanted as long can we put some I don’t agree that morale is high either I’m just saying like you just started out and then like you can take whatever sentences off you want instead of having toilet I mean I just wanna if as long as I mean I’m happy saying it as long as we know it it wasn’t unanimous or whatever I think that’s all I mean I don’t know because I think he’ll have access to all of our individual evals and then the summative is really the important piece to move forward like the state doesn’t care what individually we say it’s the summit that moves on to them they’re concerned with um so I think that should be reflective oh if I go to the drive actually you know what I can lift it from my I think

43:01 I left it right from the pediatives are you online I am yes

43:11 maybe we can go to um

43:29 one thing that I thought was important to note here is that I think it has been wonderful watching our school leaders represent and present more initiatives requests and budgets for each of their schools absolutely I think that that is something we should continue to do and we should encourage that there will be more of that to hear directly from them I think that that is so critical to success that you hear directly from the people that are in the trenches in those schools every day I love you if you guys some credit because that obviously the directive for that really uh happened especially the budget formation happened before I joined the committee but you had building leadership Department leadership and presenting which sort of

44:16 you know sort of Dreams that’s gone on since we had an intro a few years back yeah so I thought that was really good it was unfortunately crushing when we have to say there’s no chance will ever happen in the town financial situation but you know I I would agree with your position let me know if you guys 10. 18. I’m happy to go to another section and come back to this

44:47 um um if I have Toms thing now if we want to just take out the commentary one more hour period I’ll just be silent

45:22 statement uh statement uh about sign of steady and stable leadership that’s certainly my evaluation on that but you know right um I I’m looking at some of like excellent leadership and outstanding working relationship and I just I think he has shown leadership and I think there’s definitely been significant growth there for him particularly when it comes to being from the center and and use those places yeah I would support that the one piece though Tom that you just said take out I would almost say we should just move that to the summative piece um for now anyway just as a placeholder yeah

46:26 um I um I if we’re just augmenting Toms or adding I I have a starting point yeah I would I would like to see more I will I think it’s very solid should be celebrated that Dr Patrick has become a part of so many of these National groups I would like again as close to measurability I’d like to know how that the information leans in those is being used to further student outcomes in Marblehead because they will have a significant impact on his career moving forward but I want to make sure that from where I sit that this time out of

47:12 district is is in positively impacting student outcomes so I think we’re here in a theme for how to set the goals for next year and Reporting back on these things yeah right and I think that’s that’s interesting

47:25 did we what did you do a mid-year review so that’s obviously the practice recommended by Massey is that you set the goals mid-year you do a review against the walls even if it’s in this uh narrative from the superintendent against the goal so that’s a practice prescribed or recommended by the state that he is a student need to follow or should follow in my recommendation together this comes back to your reaching some ways completely their MBA how long until they’re promoted to CEO right and so it’s not an unfair question it’s just unanswerable and obviously we don’t check in during the year and sort of Shame on us as a committee so going forward you know use the chair should set that as an agenda in a good year

48:15 that’s good to the operating room to get the gavel surgically removed from our hands

48:27 sister was born because I never liked it but I was also there was so much of my 10 years chair that was online yeah so no I never used

48:50 where it’s you know he’s doing a lot of professional development but how is that professional development yeah I think that’s fair to put in a packaging pot our students and I think the goals this year and again this memory is fuzzy because I barely remember what I made for dinner last night let alone last year at this time but last year there were some directives that were added in and I know that he made a good faith effort to include those into his goals some working them in somewhere along the way this year so I think there’s I don’t think I did it as much in this school that we’re just doing um but definitely in other goals I had pieces to be looked at for next year and recommendations so I think also just on your point I reviewed my goals for my my

49:36 evaluation from last year where I put in things that I wanted him to kind of work on and they were you know like in his feedback they’ve worked on and included that here so I think you know if we put in those areas and they’ll feed through right

50:02 so education so we want to read it over once just to make sure it’s where we want it yeah is we call this like a 90 perhaps

50:13 certainly come back in our next community I can share this yeah I understand understand Yeah well yeah but I just think it’s a formal process

50:37 no I I see that it’s just like there’s anyone else types of so will the other problems because it doesn’t spell check this foreign

51:17 physical one physical one yeah using instructional rounds during the 2022-23 Academic Year Helen Court I will collaborate with the leadership team and Educators to strengthen instructional instructional practices with a focus on equity and inclusion this work will include the implementation of targeted interventions and supports for all students including professional development for educators so the school clearance derived from the plan for Success because we revisit Equity inclusion as an important of all of this so again coming back to goal setting for fy24 I just think that we have to think of parties for the district

52:00 this the theme of measurability really runs true for me with this one the the instructional rounds are significant um time commitment which could yield really amazing results but we hear about them happening I don’t I I today have never been given an example of and I’ve asked I have been asking throughout this year and last year for some specific examples of how this has changed to practice how this is have we identified XYZ teacher who is then been identified to be a peer model to others to I just need to know the next steps because otherwise it

52:47 there are definite benefits from having that face time in our buildings but it’s a big chunk of chunk of time to justify without showing what is coming out and maybe that could be something for the agenda next year under like District updates is you know somewhat uh some at least once a month at a meeting that something about the instructional rounds gets presented under District Upstate updates I mean that’s kind of an easy easy way to make that happen can we just step back though because don’t we have to come up with them all right Tom so this one’s a little bit tricky though right because it’s got two goals it does so we’re just one yeah so these two check boxes

53:33 there’s like one each but then the higher one goes into one so yeah I treated it as as the one because that’s what it looked like we had just added a separate section to kind of yep

53:54 so so mine for goal one was significant progress okay Megan um

54:08 nope sorry I’m making the wrong one I was like sorry my four goal one was significant progress um

54:20 significant progress significant progress and I had some progress because it keeps coming back to the measurability how is this you did the rounds but what came out of the mouse so again I think that don’t fall doctor yeah

54:37 that was really clear yeah well so I mean that you should be smart right so yeah remember what smart needs you know specific and strategic measurable action oriented rigorous realistic it results oriented time and track so going forward this committee or receded on it will be the do a little bit more thoughtfulness around the goal setting using that as a as a guiding principle I think your question is activity versus achievement um well I think what we’re seeing is we can measure the activity yeah it’s right now we don’t as of today don’t have a good handle or stuff like that

55:25 we haven’t achieved exactly I just don’t know and it’s it is a huge chunk of time which so to me I think that we’re dealing with professionals here if they’re putting in the time using their professional expertise in my in my assumption is that you’re going to see active or achievement follow this you know and I think that going forward for fy24 if you want to really set that as a goal then Define what that achievement that’s I I when you go to an interview and you are asked tell me about your strength you’re not expected um

56:10 you don’t just say I’m very organized you have to explain how you’re organized I shouldn’t have to tell him and I when he explicitly asked me what I wanted to see in his evaluate yourself evaluation I said give me the details I need to see the details that’s what you measure people on in my opinion going into the classrooms isn’t a goal and it never should have been and that’s on me for not I don’t know paying understanding more at the very beginning I think being overwhelmed is probably an understatement at that point but and now I know I shouldn’t have to put it in his goal to tell me what you did and show me how this benefited our students that could be that should be implied in everything and

56:56 it’s not in any of it even after my specifically asking for it so that is frustrating to me however there is you know under your guise of presumably there would be you know we can assume but we all also know what assuming does which is why I think significant progress is fair on this because it kind of bridges a little bit of that Gap um I’m willing to take a little bit of from a school Community perspective responsibility in that we didn’t say you know do this things and then tell us how what the outcome was what the achievement was as a result and I feel sure now we will next year probably after every single one but I don’t think you know three of us saying significant progress I think you’re you’re sure

57:48 because you have one who’s that one who says some progress the rest yeah I think that’s a very solid I do just wanna one I measure I talk about measurability here but I I think that we need to move away from it’s my purview and responses to questions and concerns that was one thing that I continue to get as a response remember when I would ask questions and that to me is a turn off it certainly would be a turn off for a family ask me a question as well um I think that sorry if you get a little more context on that just that wasn’t true yeah so that particular one uh when I was asking about why we weren’t going to do coffee with the candidates like we did when we were hiring for the principles of the two elementary schools

58:33 elementary schools elementary schools um he just said it’s in my purview and that’s me oh hiring them as well yeah now 100 hiring is perfect that’s not a false statement but it’s certainly not stylistically you just didn’t like the way you were still yeah and I don’t think that that’s how you gain someone’s trust I don’t think that’s how you collaborate whether it’s me or you know Joe Blow that wants to know um so is that more of a top level yeah okay absolutely you can hold off on that but they’re sure but they’re a theme you know that’s something that I noted a couple times but I also think that it’s important to point out that we explicitly I don’t agree with it removed you know above grade level or whatever the verbiage was uh from our elementary report cards

59:19 report cards report cards but this has it in it and I think that we are doing a disservice um

59:29 the desk form has it yeah yeah take your point but I mean I think you’re criticizing the deci Forum I’m not a fan of like getting off on technicalities I get we disagree on that and that’s totally fine but like that’s not he rated himself in somebody I mean in one of them so I just feel like it it doesn’t send to me it doesn’t send the right message I think it’s something that needs to be Revisited unfortunately for our preferential but that’s so one District concerns is that we remove are you saying that one of your concerns is that we removed exceeds expectations from um standard space report cards I just it for some reason I don’t know it just

1:00:16 the way that all of this was worded made me think that yes professional development is 100 important and I think he does a great job making sure that he reaches his professional development goals because he wants to get to the next level as well it’s important for his career it’s a point for everybody all of us in our prayer whether it’s education or confidence but and and everyone Underneath Him benefits from him getting significantly better as well um but when I translate that into evaluating and you know providing a rating um it just hearkened me back to thinking that elementary students don’t deserve that same opportunity

1:01:04 appreciate yourself appreciate yourself talk and I’m gonna go watch myself can I read my comments in this District these are pretty short this week that’s why it’s been highly engaged in the buildings and classrooms so MPS to see firsthand the advocacy of Education that’s probably a statement of fact uh Dr Bucky is a chair at a high level of professional development of his staff using instructional rounds but how do we how do you know that um well you deliver the professional development it’s like any professional development you’re going to have a distribution of advocacy within a cohort people right maybe that some people think nothing works some people will

1:01:50 take a lot of it some people think just a few nuggets from it and you hope that over time that you know multiple exposures to different aspects of information I don’t have because I have not seen or been given an example how walking through the buildings into each class then trans is just transitioned into Dr Bucky giving professional development feedback from those rounds because I haven’t even seen that stuff you’re saying that you would you just don’t even understand if he follows up with a teacher I’ve Never Been Told that much I’ve just been told I go to to wraps did you think it doesn’t happen I don’t know it’s the same thing as when

1:02:36 my daughter writes the right answer on her math homework it doesn’t matter if the right answer is there if she doesn’t show the work you don’t get credit it’s just my experience in evaluating Executives you know over time that you know you have highly credentialed highly professional you know people who you know these types of activities are incorporated into normal sort of roles and responsibilities for a reason and I just think that it’s my experience for these types of people you know that will lead to the chance for engagement with their subordinates when they’re in the room maybe after the room maybe he says nothing but I mean I just I think putting in the effort and being

1:03:21 there is important and I have to I don’t need him to tell me that he evaluated with six teachers this week for me to believe that he’s provided well even just knowing you that that’s I wasn’t is that where the evaluations are happening like I just have other things because of their value we’re a teacher he evaluates the director she can assess sort of these attacks right by making these types that’s his role and there was mention of that in a different I don’t remember which one of that I can just bring forth my feeling whether it makes it interest report or not

1:04:01 I think there was a I did say the third comment although there was a portion of this goal specifically highlighting Dei which was an unfunded mandate in fy23 I believe that Dr Buckner’s team appropriately maintained an excellent environment for social and emotional learning with nfps as an Evidence by eliminated were no complaints in this area

1:04:31 I just think that we set as a goal as a school community

1:04:36 whereas Ross Perot used to say new people a few people set a goal that incorporated this language you know I think that you didn’t fund this to obviously controversial but well but I think you’re taking a somewhat populist view of that and it’s an actual term with an actual meeting and so what is happening is that with the mtss and the win and all these other pieces that that is equity and inclusion and I was actually given an adeboye to The District in this area I’m just saying we didn’t fund a person right right but that’s the piece is that Desi is mandating that these pieces go through so if we can choose to fund one tomorrow or we can choose to

1:05:22 never fund one we’re on the hook for responsible to these things and so that’s what we’re doing here through putting it through the classrooms and the teachers and the coaches and and you know making sure that it’s brought into the district with Fidelity sure I am a little bit

1:05:42 so for me when it when it comes to that and when we start talking about mtss and making sure we’re meeting students at all levels meeting them where they are yep um you know one two three to ten thousand doesn’t matter my experience is that that doesn’t always happen and I that’s I’m not suggesting that is because the imagination I’m suggesting that I know we have significant ways to go in order to get there I totally agree with you and and I want to know how we can support I want to hear from the Educators how we can best support our you know the school leaders

1:06:28 how we can best support mtsfs and meeting students at every level I think one of the other kind of ways that I tie in the report card is if we are not able to evaluate a child at you know above grade level or exceeds expectations whatever the wording was then we don’t say Superior when I was a kid I swear to God I did on here

1:07:01 I think so I think as it applies to the certain Improvement goal number one I totally hear you and I think for going forward is a goal of the committee in a sort of direction to the district I think it’s part of your strategic review I think the policy I think you are spot on to bring that upon them because I think it’s a fair statement 100 of you on this right and it gets you off the hook from an mtss perspective because you don’t know if you have 25 of your students that are exceeding expectations so they need to be taught they need additional work things

1:07:40 explaining to you my time in gotcha so in mind okay go ahead my kind of summative comments is that I think we’ve made significant steps forward in terms of individualizing the academic experience for students however I do think there’s still work to be done there in terms of consistency of implementation and that’s one area I’d like to see focus on next year yeah that’s that’s pretty much what I said sort of like you know somewhere in between what you’re both saying is that we’ve we’ve come really far like these things weren’t a part of our district just a few years ago and so the fact that they’re here and that they’re being implemented is really great and there’s still a long

1:08:25 ways to go and that actually was the piece that that took me from that to significant progress

1:08:34 so I sent you comments I don’t know if anyone else comments to the process we can involved yeah

1:09:13 because I thought it sent when I did it I was when they were practicing for the game I said something that I thought but I guess Sarah do you want to send me yours too so that we can make sure I think I like this sort of I want to make sure about subtraction yes yes but I want to um um I do not I’m sorry could you do it later yes

1:09:54 this is my YouTube shows my screen so I apologize no

1:10:15 I I was I would like to include it it would be helpful to see specific measurable examples of how these positively impact Educators and students

1:10:30 so it would be helpful to see specific and measurable examples of how these rounds positively impact Educators and students and then I had it as though I said that too so you can even decide that to the first sentence that I wrote since this is balanced to that sentence sort of effect

1:11:27 yes so yes so Dr buggy has been highly engaged in the buildings and classrooms of MPS to see firsthand the efficacy of Education in the district it would be helpful to see specific measurable examples of how these rounds positively affect okay um just like one sentence in there about what we just talked about about making something to get progress on um hold on she’s not done oh sorry oh my gosh um I think this one is kind of you know while there was a portion of this goal specifically highlighting Dei wait okay we don’t

1:12:13 all right well I mean I’m fine I would take out the D because it’s this is focused on equity and inclusion um

1:12:36 I’m reading to you well there’s a portion of this school specifically highlighting equity and inclusion I believe that Dr Bucky and his team appropriately maintained an excellent environment for social and emotional learning within MDS as evidenced by limited or no complaints in this area sisters

1:13:03 which was an unfunded maybe okay you’re okay with that oh yeah

1:13:11 you can create a climate environment without having to work specifically

1:13:19 but I think that’s a piece of that conversation the entire time is that we’ve got to do these things so how do we how are we choosing to do them so District goal

1:13:34 I think no that was it we’re going to add something right yeah I just wanted a piece in there and I chamber exactly what we said about making significant progress on mtss individual individualizing student academic uh experience yeah through um tools such as mtss and RTI and whatever other acronym you want to fill in and then be like um um and the committee is hope it’s hopeful to see this continue yeah the committee is hopeful that this will this work will continue with a focus on um ensuring consistency for all across yes I do think

1:14:22 that has not been caught up in this yeah it has been the advanced Learners we’ve received emails in that and this is one of the the grant or some type of program they just got out of high school was to to do better at that because it’s not something we really have been able to fully Implement oh I said consistent implementation I think so far it still kind of is dependent on who you have as a teacher versus it being District One well the whole time

1:15:05 that’s that’s okay significant progress is not yeah they’ve come a long ways I think that’s what’s the comment we’re not there yet absolutely

1:15:19 has been good there has been a progress made in providing individualized academic plans to meet students where they are the committee is hopeful that this Focus will continue with more consistent implementation for all

1:15:44 during the 23 school year I will work with schools and the community to increase my visibility and enhance two-way communication with all stakeholders this will be evidenced by an increased understanding of our schools by District parents community members as measured by very Outreach efforts okay

1:16:09 non-destructible too yes so I feel a little bit um encumbered on this one as I’ve only seen since January relatively speaking and I would say it’s been pretty good with our encouragement and I did the budget process has been pretty impressive so I actually had him as an exceed but I could also have that as an event I don’t think it doesn’t seem as well are you bridging or are you just didn’t see come back okay but you’re no I mean for me like I put exceed on my about right okay

1:17:04 to throw out one five two fives just doing the mean would be for the median would be sitting here

1:17:18 can I can I read my thoughts on this short where we land on this so I think um Dr Bucky’s done very very good at communication where he specifies two-way communication I don’t feel we’ve met that I feel like it he’s great loses output of information the receptive I feel like his a fair amount of growth um I feel like they’re in in moving forward something I’d like to see is Dr Bucky focusing on the message over the messenger um and I would like to we had one Forum or I would like us to have more two-way forums

1:18:06 um thought exchange was going to be you know was was a tool that Dutch monkey purchased and I think he has great potential however we used it four to five times I think it was more than that we assassin the other day but yeah but they used it a lot internally too okay so you may have WhatsApp I don’t I haven’t seen him students other than that one time um I I’m confident staying next I I have kids so many places um and I one of the things I say is while thought exchange held promise is a tool for engaging the community it seemed to be used very limitedly to justify its costs um as a survey tool until a strategic plan for its use and implementation of its data results is created I don’t feel

1:18:51 that we should continue this contract um I said it a little differently um but I also said that basically like in in a better funded budget I would be in favor of keeping it and that’s something I think we can and and I as far as communication goes I would have hoped we had communicated a little bit more about investing in thought exchange before we did it I think once we owned it I was like okay we own this let’s hit the ground running with it let’s use it but I wasn’t I don’t think any of us are really aware of it being something because I know that that’s a concern for you um so I that that part of it um there’s a lot of transparency around the budget we have been celebrated across town about how good we have done

1:19:38 we’ve had really I’m proud of Dr buckets of the part we all believe in that um but it’s that two-way where he specifies two-way I do feel that there’s been significant progress but I don’t think that we have met our goal of really strong two-way communication I guess I guess for me it depends on what classifies two-way and I feel like maybe we might be over focusing on the on the community too and I think he has made good strides there like he does those superintendent coffees on a regular basis we’ve kind of had forums he goes out and you know taught like I you know he went to see Pat the other day I know he goes to a number of different organizations to engage with them

1:20:23 um but I also think the two-way conversation especially with the staff in his leadership team and the students has like I think he’s gone above and beyond there and so I think it’s waiting all of them equally um would be my feedback on that and that’s one of the reasons why I said that he had he had met the school because he all the key actions that we identified he has done those and there’s always going to be opportunity for improvement and I think in this area specifically around communication um and finding Innovative and effective ways to get information to the Greater Community too I definitely think there’s room for opportunity there but I was trying to wait all you know kind of all

1:21:09 stakeholders yeah sorry so I don’t I don’t like being present at events at all I think that is part of the job it’s part of the role it should be expected um that that to me it having more attendance more frequent attendance that’s great to me it’s understanding at these coffee talks or you know at you back over there where there are different groups of people within those meetings that he’s reaching is it a wider net or is it a coffee talk at Brown that has the same six people at it every time and again I’m not suggesting we need a list of names and we need to out people for who goes to what that’s not what I’m suggesting but

1:21:55 but just that we we I somehow need to identify that to quantify and then be able to measure the facts that these are benefiting the community that more people are coming that more people feel comfortable coming that more people want to come um so how we measure that going forward I think is a fair point maybe restructure of goal going forward I would just say I’m not even sure what the right way how how easy it is to use that smart rubric I mean I think we should yeah so my my observation over the last period of time is like he’s put tremendous effort something right that’s why it’s put a lot of effort into expand this community engagement with all stakeholders of mpic

1:22:42 attends innumerable Community meetings serves on external communities meets with select board Town Administration that’s vigorously pursued part of the funding while FPS still suffers from comments regarding against regardless this is important while FPS still suffers from comments regarding its historical lack of transparency this is not due to a lack of effort by Dr Bucky the development of the fy24 budget has been widely complemented should set the standard for the town I truly believe that because I’m still trying to understand or unpack that transparency thing yeah it’s it’s having come from from a different Administration it’s it it’s very frustrating to me as well because you know again to Megan’s Point there’s

1:23:28 always gains to be made and every single year we’ve gotten better and better and so I that is an expectation that I would have to continue forward and it often feels like there’s very little credit given um I also I think it’s fair to say everybody at this table has given credit for the transparency oh yes yes sorry no I’m not speaking about yes yes there are factors in our town government who are playing the same reframe I think we’ve great I totally agree so I think our staunch opponents even would say that we have made significant progress I will say that I have a summative comment around communication that is an area of growth I’m happy to read it now because I want you to hear how I sort of feel about it

1:24:13 so an additional area of growth for Dr Buckley will be his engagement with critics no superintendent can make all stakeholders happy at a given time Dr Bucky was hired as a first-time superintendent in fy20 immediately faced coveted crisis noted me about learning loss and FPS during the pandemic there is debate within the broader community in countries to how to best address this and hopefully Dr Buckley working with the school committee will engage in public listening sessions to understand all perspectives in this area MPS is in need of stability that sends superintendent the last 15 years this is an untenable period of instability detrimental to NPS Dr Bucky should be proud of having navigate a very difficult first three years at MPS to face the criticism from some stakeholders some of its criticism

1:25:00 include ad hominem attacks which are unwarranted exam example of such criticism was his support of the recommendation by the athletic director to eliminate stipend funding for coaches a freshman supports for athletics Dr Vikings being criticized for supporting his leadership’s recommendation I believe that on sensitive issues like the budget cuts Dr Bucky should proactively engage those critical voices even if they are in disagreement Dr Bucky should continue to engage all stakeholders with a positive vision for leadership with the supports so my intention here is who said two-way so I did so I think that it’s easy to have two-way communication and Echo chamber where everyone’s

1:25:45 agreeing with you it’s hard to have two-way communication what people disagree with you even if you leave that conversation in this agreement and I think that’s where this committee can help them grow and you do that through you know sort of open dialogue with the public you know we had the budget Forum but you know people had the opportunity to come engage we had some people come not everyone but I think that that’s exactly why for me it’s significant progress and not meant because I do not think that the same level of Engagement the same level of demeanor response anything is the same what you know with vinegar I think one of someone that will

1:26:31 responds that that communication is developed right away instead of saying everybody everybody you need to engage with people of opposing views I think that right

1:26:48 I I one other thing that I didn’t know and of course I because I did at our last meeting I posted about the um the increase in transparency I do think it’s something that that we should be proud of I think it’s something Dr Bucky should be very proud of as our leader you know we worked tirelessly to get where we were countless meetings with the finance committee as well and he should be commended for that that’s not to say there aren’t places that we can still have growth it’s okay to acknowledge that too that doesn’t diminish anything else um but I think that when we talk about thought exchange for me in particular we are either going to say we’re going to do thought exchange and we’re going to take this feedback from the community and implement it in our in our budgets

1:27:33 and our aspirational budgets or not because there were some things in his aspirational budget that were not even in the top 50 percent of the thought exchange results and that to me does not send a message of I’m listening to the community and that is is more frustrating or without explanation because you may sure you may disagree in professional judgment and say I hear you but we’re still going to go here because of this yes so what you’re saying is there’s a lack of sort of feedback yeah and to make that connection because I think it’s okay to do that and it certainly is proving you to do that um but just making that connection and letting people know that they have been

1:28:18 heard because I think that’s so largely for all of us whether it’s here in this District or in our lives other elsewhere that people know they’ve been hurt so I I would I again just think about sort of 50 000 foot what we’re trying to accomplish here you know I think that doctor in my opinion Dr Bucky has met this goal I’m fine with the met I think that it’s fair to offer sort of the Atta Boys on where communication has been really good it’s it’s widely and wildly better than it’s it’s been but I do think that it’s fair to also put in that either that summative comment or we can put in this I can send that language to you but in this section is that I think it’s important for you I would like to

1:29:03 to take I think your first two sentences of that that really before we get too far into the weeds sure um and just talk about how engaging in critical people with critical voice yeah so let me read that first sentence I think that’s very fair are you sending something else too yeah well so yeah it’s set the district goal to so it’s a additional area of growth for Dr Bucky will be his engagement critics

1:29:44 taking out some of the description in there but maybe this is what you’re doing I’ll email Seattle area that grows for Dr Bucky will abuse engagement critics Dr Buck you actually proactively engage those critical voices even if they are in disagreement

1:30:07 what is that the end of the sentence yeah sort of a repetitive sentence

1:30:14 dictionary growth productivity is engaged

1:30:27 when I come across it I’ll I’ll say I had something similar but it was in it I think it was in one of the uh standards um and then also I know I have it in my I guess my sandwiches later on I would like to see Dr Buckley given our financial climate particularly we from the Reliance on the communications Consultants I think he’s really capable of doing these conditions it’s out of both budgets okay I was just talking to him about that today well it was under discretionary his discretionary but it’s cut from if he was talking to me about it just today from both the austerity as well as the um because those line items hadn’t been reduced but

1:31:13 I think we talked about that previously we said no we’re not funding all right that’s that’s great for the college here too and I and I you know he and I had a conversation about thought exchange and you did too with him this week about that you know if and it because it sounds like there’s some improvements to it from that company that would be really great and like it just is not something that’s happening right the only thing I’m gonna just say though because I agree like we’re in a you know a tricky financial situation and we’ve got to be very diligent but we continue as a committee and as a community to push Dr Bucky harder and harder on communication yet we offer him no surprise whatsoever to actually Deliver us he’s a superintendent and so

1:31:59 we don’t want him spending his time putting together Powerpoints and you know revising and editing and all those things when he should be leading the district so it’s a double-edged sword right we want him to communicate more but we don’t want to offer him any support to do that and I just think going forward the reality of it yeah I don’t have a problem I’m just gonna be honest I don’t have a problem with him spending time creating PowerPoints to provide whether it’s the committee his leadership or the community his voice and his thoughts I think we I don’t know what has come from the communications consultant versus what has come from him and I know that in in mine a number of times that I want to

1:32:46 see more from him I do consider that part of his job and part of his role to be able to particularly so many years in communicate properly um I’m not suggesting there’s not a lot to apps I think it’s a lot I think the expectation of of the level of Polish is probably the reality that is what seems I think from everything that I’ve understood about the communications consultant it’s not that they’re creating content for him it’s that they’re reviewing it and tightening it up and so if that is no longer there we have two options is that Dr Bucky perseverates over it and to put this into my words which is exactly what I would do in his position or he lets it

1:33:32 Go and it gets a little looser I follow that he’s a PhD in education we’ll do just fine on that and I I think it’s fine to answer your own emails and write your own projects yeah at this level of management it’s out of the budget so I think the message has been delivered yeah from this committee I think so going forward it is what it is and also I think we have to remember what the Optics of things are it’s not sometimes they differ from reality but the Optics of how a community sees it or how the district sees it is what’s going to matter on you know success all right there where we’re evaluating a Communications goal and that is one of

1:34:17 the areas that you know achieve Superior seats and I would just like to know that I I would like noted that thank you try to find the way to say this but essentially he wasn’t just standing on it’s not too deep he had a professional to help him eat this so that’s why where it exceeds when we had the professional polish on it that made it well I’ll push on that a little bit because he’s got a district full of professionals helping him be successful

1:34:52 maybe for the sake of Timeless we disagree that it’s met and yeah yeah I don’t need it to me yeah yeah I don’t need that one to be excited I mean I felt it did but in the comments I think it could be so much in this area yeah like saying send you some language Community engagement with all stakeholders at MPS he attends innumerable Community meetings serves on external committees needs to select board and child Administration and his vigorously Pursuit funding Dr Bucky’s development of the fy24 budget has been widely complemented for its transparency in detail this should set the standard for the town an additional area of growth for Dr Bucky is his engagement with

1:35:37 um so going through we’re now to the performance ratings yep standard one um one dash a I had um proficient on all of these perception on everything okay um did you reply to that so I had proficient on curriculum I had um needs instruction needs Improvement sorry for instruction um for assessment I found it hard to I’m not track sure how anybody measures that when we don’t um no it just knows you didn’t have a check yeah I was going to explain why because I don’t

1:36:25 I don’t know how he does his assessments I don’t know if they’re done in a timely manner I don’t have any way to know on assessment and evaluation I don’t have any details on that to know whether he’s proficient in performing timely supervision and evaluation of staff I don’t know when their reviews are due versus when he holds them so for me I don’t know how he doesn’t feel equipped to make a joke I don’t yeah I just don’t know how and so I don’t know if it’s okay to leave it like I left it blank because I knew I could come here and explain versus just essentially with one okay instruction I had needs Improvement again because it was a

1:37:10 delivery of like the deliverables like I’m not saying these Olympics um I also had a different on data informed decision making I do think that there’s been significant progress there but I think we need to do better in either what you noted before and maybe that’s something that we should have added to that goal number two but I’m forgetting your wording um where you noted that we can if he decides to do something that may look adverse to what the community said was important to them that he provide that information and that awareness that we understand this wasn’t just didn’t come up in thought exchange as a top

1:37:55 priority for the community however as the leader of this District I feel this is important as making that Clear Connection otherwise it just looks as though people participated in thought exchange and you didn’t take it under advisements at all yeah the reason why I hate data to inform decisions because we saw a stark decline in our MCS course um in several areas we don’t have this year for FY 23. no when they came in in November you missed that but again that’s not this values

1:38:38 but the assessment of the requirement is I didn’t see how we use that data I’m not grading him that we had I’m saying that when we had we’re using data to inform decision making so we had data that we dropped 20 to 25 percentage points in some areas we didn’t see that it wasn’t presented to us I’m using this data to then scaffold this area in this way I just didn’t see how the data informed decision making it yeah

1:39:13 this is one area where honestly I waffled between e and P because I think he’s made huge strides in using data to support his decisions we talked about cp1 to cp2 which also the ELA curriculum those are the ones that kind of come to mind right away but I think he’s done consistently and then also down a level we’ve already talked about i-Ready and why like that’s then he models it kind of at the district level at his decision making and then we’re also using that as you go down to the staff level too I think he’s made huge strides there and I think there was there’s and I don’t remember where it was at um but something in his self a vowel that talked about the use of i-Ready and tracking it and something about an 80

1:39:59 increase again I don’t I I can’t quote it verbatim but I remember it being there additionally I would push back you know again it’s back November I can’t remember all of it but I do remember the in the MPS conversations talking about some of the possible reasons behind some of the dips in particular that it was a new math curriculum and then that it is common for a district to see a dip in that first year of implementation and then noting that for the blues Village that the geometry lesson hadn’t even been presented by the time MCAS rolled around so they were fixing that for this year and again that’s just kind of like one I don’t know why I remember that piece um but I noted it when my own student came home doing that before around cats as well so you know I think I think

1:40:45 there were some definitely some pieces that they put forward as here’s here’s what we saw here’s what we’re going to do this year you know I would be more than happy to put it in and I think I have in multiple places on my continued monitoring of the of the mcaf data because there was a dip that dip does need to be addressed and you know I’m hopeful that it kind of Springs back because it was across the state but you know it can’t stay that way for sure um and I think that there are places that we know that the high school math MCAS comes back lower than than we would like it to with some consistency and so what are we doing with that that is definitely a concern and then I’ve talked Dr Bucky about that

1:41:29 he had noted that he is confident that through our iready data instructional rounds have made a positive impact for student achievements but how how well the average data showed us at a high level as I understood its intra it’s an interest student longitudinal assessment so how in case progressing yeah and so what he’s seeing what we saw were presented to last was clear progression within a student right but how do we know that that is as a result of his instructional friends which is what he stated I mean it’s like I don’t but I just want I’m not I think in general I would just be getting cautious we’re talking about the CEO of our district we

1:42:15 are not talking about the person providing the actual instruction to the individual child with an individual class I I again want to just think about us as a governing board what our rules and responsibilities are I’m happy to agree to disagree I have no problem with that I I don’t look at any one person and expect different I I would if I’m doing an evaluation I’m doing it the same I don’t doesn’t matter if you’re a CEO or somebody else behind that as the CEO you’re you’re not you’re not in a classroom having direct impact on a student and so you don’t have right then usually when you say it in my instructional Rebels directly affected i-Ready results

1:43:09 like I I disagree with that too because I think we should be self-praising about the budget and the transparency and everything but like just I agree with that for sure I’ll give you my three comments I only had three on this it’s Russia one successful implication the new curriculum number four right right whether we agree with it or not you know that was deliberated upon by him and his leadership team they played for not easy to bring everyone along it was a three-year process and at least one of the modules I think was in English

1:43:48 the second year exactly I think data-driven analysis of standardized assessment data formative strategies and tactics to improve student learning I think that comes out of the Iraq might be I ready and some of the other things I’ve been talking about the um demonstrated growth on key assessment measures over three years this was the key assessments from his own professional staff on the 360. those were the only three comments I I didn’t have exceed on any of these but I also didn’t have any Improvement on I thought sort of steady Eddie on this question in my opinion on these you know they need some the needs Improvement in it would have to be pretty blaring um

1:44:34 um um for for me to like like

1:44:41 pretty much quite below benchmarks using an educational term um just says exceeds or exemplary you wouldn’t have to be quite above Benchmark um okay

1:44:58 so we’re stuck here just to to call speed and Spade we sort of have three dots yeah um so so what’s the process when that happens I’m asking to say obviously don’t know I think there’s a couple ways to slice it I think you know we’ve got we’ve got

1:45:22 individual markers but then an overall one um you know if we want to kind of hash out the individual you know I I would I would really have a problem if we defend these Improvement for the overall instructional leadership if there’s areas within there I mean this one I have it all the way down the board I know in other ones it’s it jumps around a little bit

1:45:46 what about instruction and assessment would you refer to Improvement there with an overall proficient is that website

1:46:07 I guess so we order like where like where that really like what can you specifically point you that needs Improvement within that with an instruction that was what I was just reading I think the only place where I could see like I could give on instruction for needs improvements just the consistency piece because that is something that us you know that we’ve talked about Dr Buckingham number you know so um I think there’s work to be done there I think he’s made huge strides just with the work they’ve done so that’s why I gave them proficient there’s always going to be opportunities for improvement and this is kind of like you know they did the scope and sequence they did you know put in new curriculums they’ve done huge work it’s made significant progress

1:46:53 significant progress significant progress um but I think further progress it’s not it’s it’s not saying he hasn’t make it’s not negating his progress that’s where I yeah like the needs Improvement to me that’s what that means to me like proficient is like yeah you’re doing a good job here’s what you’re doing well here’s what could be here’s what could need Improvement here here’s here’s the kind of and if there was really nothing that needed Improvement or very little that needed Improvement then that would when I hop up to exemplary but I like I view all of these as there’s there’s you know I don’t have unsatisfactory for anything and so like I do all of it as there are things that are going well and there is always room for improvement

1:47:41 it’s made significant Pro progress in every single one of these areas which is why I gave it proficient there’s always going to be things that he’s just I actually like the way the rating system for the other ones but we just finished a lot better because yes right because that whatever the yeah both

1:48:04 to to land between both I mean Jesse’s not going to give us a c minus and said yeah what about evaluation that’s one where I am I’m struggling on in general because I don’t I don’t know how I don’t I’m not suggesting he doesn’t but we don’t have any way to measure and I’m just not comfortable with assuming that it does now I realize that we can figure out some way to measure that maybe the new systems that they put in will have those you know sometimes in where I’ve worked different organization I’ve worked in they have you know due dates of those evaluations and when they were performed and that sort of thing not with people’s names not with details

1:48:52 not any of that just so I’m clear I just I don’t I I’ve just never done my evaluation though yeah I I’ve never looked at a value and and at any type of evaluation for any level of individual whether it’s 360 or whether someone works for me to say well I assume that you do that so I’m open to the discussion I’m just yeah that sits there I think the you know just kind of my reasoning for why um I chose proficient here is because of the work he’s done with human human resource side to improve those processes and to make sure that those evaluations are actually happening because prior to them coming here across the board I think the fact that we have no

1:49:40 Grievances and um also no you know yes we haven’t had mea coming to us and being like hey he did it on time hurray but if he wasn’t doing it we would hear about it and so the the bench you know the marker here is you know does he need state regulations and are we meeting contracts this is a privilege performance great performance are we trying to manage here are we trying to say you need Improvement here because we just haven’t heard about this or is it something you want to make in a comment that all your profession that’s why I was laying heavy on the instruction I I am not seeing continuity of instruction s

1:50:26 so proficient and instruction described as monitors and supports you know it’s down monitors and supports principles and instructional staff through observations and feedback to ensure as you see here in this so what’s expected under the rubric from Mass C is just that that he’s doing these classes and he’s doing instructional and he’s providing observations and feedback which we’ve already noted nice to know sort of what happens after this I hear you but this is a Performance Management tool so what are we trying to say when we say I’m taking what it says to your instruction and I’m saying we need to improve on what it’s asking us to create

1:51:13 so Insurance the needs Improvement rubric from the state it supports instructional practices in some schools or content areas that reflect my expectations engage all students and are personalized to accommodate diverse learning styles needs interest levels Readiness allows lower expectations and or insufficiently engaging instruction to persist in parts of the district I think that that is actually very accurate I think we just agree the district we just agree read on that previously that it was not consistent not consistently implemented from an mtss perspective from meeting all students where they are perspective which is which is what part of this is but I guess again to push back a little bit on it we’re going from

1:51:59 having nothing to expecting like all that stuff and at my point Sarah is that he has made significant Improvement to get to where we are and then the next step which would be year three is to then make sure that it’s consistent right so all the things that he’s put in place has gotten us to where we are and yeah there’s continued work to do but he’s been proficient in making that progress to date I want to remind everyone that we are not here to evaluate him over the life of the student here this is an evaluation of what has happened this year and I do firmly believe what Tom read

1:52:41 needs Improvement is what fits we’ve had we still have Pockets we are all just said we are aware of that are not leading

1:53:05 so curriculum is proficient instruction is needs Improvement of those assessment instructions

1:53:17 I just read in reading the rubric I feel if you guys are closer to the instructional piece than I am so I’ll have to refer to you guys on that um but I think reading the rubric on some of these other areas like evaluation and things of this nature I can’t in good conscience you know provide some effective and having a supervision evaluation of Staff in the line of state regulations and Chiropractic provisions

1:53:43 you know I so I’m even fine with profession on evaluation I think instruction and data informed for my two bigger ones I didn’t have a an evaluation for C and D on purpose because I wanted to have this discussion again that informed decision making the rubric store needs Improvement first and then proficient needs Improvement identifies multiple sources of evidence related to student learning to assess the district’s strengths and areas for improvement but these data are not comprehensive and or analysis is insufficient such that district and annual action plans lack focused or measurable rules profession is described as uses multiple sources of evidence related to Student Learning including state district and school assessment results growth data to

1:54:30 inform District goals improve organizational performance educator Effectiveness and student learning regularly monitors and shares progress with community supports principles to align School Improvement goals to District plans rules so I think that one is far closer to proficient than needs Improvement it was the measurability thing that’s jumped out of it

1:54:59 I’m not going to die I think I think again is there room for growth absolutely and so we can put that in the narrative for sure and should and I think I think it would I think as I just heard that are there pieces of needs Improvement sure but I think as a whole need to choose fund it’s it would definitely be proficient okay um comments averaging those out his overall for instructional leadership would be efficient um do we note in here that there were significant differences in how certain individuals still I I’m asking I’m not I’m honestly asking Jim because I don’t

1:55:46 know how we want to but I also think I don’t even know how much the state actually ends up looking at this it goes on our website and and he gets all of our individual ones and reads all of our individual ones I think he’ll be able to pick up where there was nuances and again you know I didn’t finish mine until shortly before this meeting but I will Circle back with him as I have done in other years previous to this meeting and walk through my thoughts on everything and and where I was coming from from different areas I just just answer your question Allison this is just my opinion but I think this is supposed to be from the perspective of the committee so I think we should try to summarize it as one voice rather

1:56:31 and try to encapsulate you know those individuals so I have successful implementation of the second year of the math question of the of the math curriculum right that was your comment Tom I was trying to yep and I and mine I had at a forthcoming Ela curriculum

1:56:49 we’re required to speak to these Improvement instructions uh demonstrated growth from uh only about half that sentence down demonstrative growth from the key assessments

1:57:09 for a minute um and then I said there is work to be done in order for Dr Buckley to be consistent in setting instruction across all leadership settings in schools I would say sure and consistent yes it has to be the concerned okay ensuring I didn’t say enter I think if you put that as a comment I think it summarizes okay we’ve met our requirement next page I think it’s all your videos

1:57:43 oh gosh absolutely fine with that you think that’s us not one of them I don’t know what my second comment here was I wrote demonstrated growth from the key assessments and clearly did not finish my second uh that was that was from his sort of feedback with his own staff that was provided I think those two things are I think we’ve addressed where we noted needs information

1:58:13 can I delete these blank pages yes can we do that I’ll do it after I know I just I’m just asking um I actually again have an efficient all the way through on this one I had efficient although I had exemplary

1:58:39 what did you have time for fish Oliver are you so much

1:58:51 um I had too proficient and two needs information I’m okay with the one that I didn’t know how to answer similar to evaluation to make that question as well um I had some needs Improvement and some proficient um law ethics and policies I was this mostly goes from the email that came in this weekend with the concerns that the Secretary of State came back and found us to have violated a public records request that is that I think we have a district I’ve done really great this year in transparency and putting information out right away that was a concern to me that we’ve got

1:59:36 that they cited us for that and then after they cited us that adhere to their citation

1:59:47 that actually came straight from legal that we sought legal advice at both of those junctures and did what our legal told us to do okay depository right right thank you the first is fine that’s fine but to me when secretary of state says no you’re wrong we don’t get to rebut the Secretary of State this next step to that

2:00:11 that’s not for tonight and I’m not saying that at all at all I’m just saying when they come back we can’t then say no to the Secretary of State and that bothered me that we said no um um I did follow up with John that after that email um earlier this week and and talk to them about that and so I can stay definitively that that was both that both those junctures was uninvasive legal what’s the um what’s the parameters here that’s the conversation under laws understanding applies with state and federal laws mandates school committee policies collectible organizations guidelines provides resources and support your churches yes

2:00:58 improvements May notice state and federal laws mutated policies and effective organ groups but it consistently complies with some laws for policies so I’m just going to be honest here I um

2:01:21 um but I I just mean uh maybe unpopular opinion that’s what it is um I don’t think it’s that he does my view of it is it’s not that he does not know the laws Etc I think this Harkens back to sending the same message depending upon who you’re speaking to if it’s someone that is you know in your circle versus someone who is not like we noted above in a much more elegant way that I didn’t write properly that’s how I view this so I don’t which I don’t I don’t think makes it necessarily needs Improvement but I think it would be okay as a comment similar to what we put above I actually stand correctly because I

2:02:06 read the self-assessment thing it was my own checks I actually had proficient on environment HR I had uh Mis Information Systems I thought I think it’s been great this year um I had a lot of ethics and policies as proficient I had fiscal systems as for example

2:02:33 yeah I think would solidly live unproficient for everything but just with the caveats in there of like where where to focus on for next year and I I put here and I think this

2:02:49 Dr Bucky works well with the assistant superintendent of operations resulting in some evaporations management here I talked a lot about and heat and kind of mirroring what he had written because I sit on those committees with him but like the return of The Well of like a wellness committee that’s actually doing what a wellness committee should be doing and um we’re about to I don’t think it’s going to be able to come to this committee because there was a canceled um meeting in there but next year over the summer with the new committee there’ll be a new wellness policy that comes forward that he pulled in someone from Desi to help make sure that we were on the right path and the committee that he put together this year had stakeholders from across the district in town um so it was a really well-rounded committee

2:03:34 committee committee um I don’t need all this to go in there but I just sort of you know to kind of sing his Praises a little bit on some of these you know Alice return um we did the Narcan we did the library policy like we’ve done a lot of really good things that have come not necessarily from the directives of this committee but from you know kind of different places within the district and and broader kind of needs of of the school system so I just kind of wanted to highlight that so that piece I would like to include that because I had the same thing I do think we should include some of that policy stuff because those were areas where we kind of like statulent the charge on that above and beyond what you know was kind of necessarily comes from IFC so especially

2:04:19 on the library based on our campus and I think the policy committee you know with Dr Bucky specifically and staff have done a really good job there so I would like to see it open there about staff it’s been um enabled well I would almost just cut in case what Sarah has just as a starting point just so we’re not coming hold on can I finish your sentence can you read that um

2:04:47 24 budget development was transformative for MPS as well as the camera yeah

2:04:54 yeah I had something similar so I do think that’s important and then the other thing which Sarah had said somewhere else but I put it under here under human resource and development was that Dr Bucky has created a culture of upward Mobility for our staff under Dr Bucky’s mentorship those the assistant superintendent High School principal have achieved their career goals of retaining superintendent positions in addition Dr Bucky has ensured that new staff are seamlessly integrated into the district and so models

2:05:23 does anybody have a growth area for this like I actually didn’t have a real issue with what you said about you know attention should be made to you know Timely responses to or timely cooperation of Secretary of State or whatever it was yeah well you had a section on that but

2:05:55 I also noted because for moving forward strict adherence to public records laws must happen

2:06:27 and that’s another discussion but right that’s it so um and I have a growth area would be focusing on proactive practices rather than reactive I think we’ve made a lot of progress in this you know instead of but I think we have more room not just open fires out

2:06:55 specifically is Dr Bucky has taken on multiple policy considerations and worked on bolstering policies that were a concern to professionals within the district

2:07:06 yes I sent I sent you more than that but it’s the second the second sentence with image I actually think this has been really good yeah but this when I did this with Lisa it was multiple meetings and like it was probably close to 12 hours of work okay and I would say that what we’ve learned is a committee going forward you just take an equal amount of time on the setting goals and be thoughtful and do it over a period of time don’t just do it I would like to do this setting for goal setting I would like to do a

2:07:53 workshop I would do two sessions a week or so apart because I think think about it yeah I think John I think Johnson when she get that too do you think do you have Megan’s very yeah I actually think didn’t he ask for a subcommittee on that at the beginning like back in the summer this year and it just didn’t come together make sure the committee schedules time six months in case we’ll get an updated against

2:08:19 um Sarah can you know um sorry I got yours can you read me your comment on I lost it because this doesn’t automatically go to the second page no it doesn’t just hides exactly so that’s funny like that um only because this happened to me earlier are you saving it like apparently oh yes um like my word saves automatically yeah a focus on more proactive rather than reenacting yeah

2:08:59 can we put continued focus on that yeah just to give a little bit of credit report yeah family and Community engagement are we there yes

2:09:12 I’m generally positive in this area so I’ll defer to others to begin the very positive immense Marine as well so I had a proficient exemplary exemplary proficient and then I chose exemplary um I actually changed it because I was going to default back to proficient but then the focus indicator was one that I had chosen exemplary for so I went back and switched the overall to exemplary um for my own ratings so Tom would you line for communications reading needs Improvement yeah proficient and exemplary

2:09:57 okay so proficient would be described as the gauges of regular two-way culturally proficient communication

2:10:05 uh communication with families and Community stakeholders about student learning and performance that’s provided multiple formats and reflects understanding of and respect for different families home languages culture and values that’s exceeds that’s possession as proficient um

2:10:25 needs improvements May set expectations regarding regular two-way culturally proficient Communications with families the laws of occasional Communications that are culturally insensitive that would be me actually um

2:10:44 District communication primarily occurs through school newsletters and other one-way media you see that’s hard because I don’t think that Dr IPA ever culturally insensitive I truly don’t but I think I do think he relies heavily on one-way communication I would push back on that a little bit I think but I think that the I think the two-way communication it like is a much more anecdotal it’s much more sort of on the spot it’s when he’s at different events and and sports games and and out in the schools because I put like again I think that that would be part of what we started talking about at the beginning of this and with you know kind

2:11:33 of over and over about needing to hear a few more examples or many more examples throughout the year to just have a better read on all of that so we know what is he leaning from these interactions that we just are not a part of and never going to be a part of I would say this that my observation over this period of time is Dr Buck is working really hard at something that maybe not comes As Natural to him has made others or personality standpoint to engage be present try to be receptive I’ve already cited that I they could grow theory for him is engaging with criticism and you know even if you agree to disagree um

2:12:18 so I have to I believe as a sort of Performance Management issue that we can provide feedback in this area but generally I think his efforts have been noticed by not just me but by others there’s still ways to go but that’s why I came out generally positive in this area um I’m happy with the Proficiency in this area I think he has done above and beyond some areas but I think saying that he’s you know really deficient in this area outside of the noted comments that made around criticism and can I reach you with my sexy sunshine take on that is so I said continued confidence and the skills and knowledge set that Dr Bucky has built for himself in the past three years is one of the

2:13:05 things that I think would make him even stronger within this standard bold yet tactful advocacy for the school district and the skill set that Dr Bucky has and continue to bring that out will be a goal in moving forward so I actually have a comment that’s a sort of a growth area it’s previously noted Dr Bucky would benefit from continuing to inform all stakeholders on quote what he stands for significant emphasis in athletic 23 and communication has created this time there so I would encourage Dr Bucky that’s something that he said right two states 100 times is it’s one thing just to communicate that’s great you’re doing a lot of emphasis there Kudos receive criticism engage in criticism but also don’t be

2:13:51 afraid to say what you stand for and I think it’s sort of been walking on eggshells a little bit on this area and I’ve noticed a little bit more he’s sort of stepping out between some emphatic statements about certain things that’s to me I recognize that growth I hope the committee will continue to provide that over the next year that’s a good point no I absolutely and I think you know he came in at a rough point and he came in under a very different circumstance set of circumstances under which he was hired and so I think there’s been a rebalancing on that yeah but you think going forward ideas and I think that if people you know for him my counseling will be to continue to lead from the front and let people know where you stand

2:14:43 so strong feelings so I had a profession on all except I had exact learning on nature so I don’t know

2:14:56 I had some examples yeah same but I think proficient I’m perfectly fine well before we read all of them are there any that we all just agree or proficient I’m fine with the proficient professional I would be okay with proficient on all of them I’m not okay but I can’t figure out any of them I I think that there are needs Improvement Ensemble but I’m okay with those being comments okay so let’s just do proficient everything are you okay with that yes yeah I had I had comments of what needs to be what can be worked on for next year and I’ve read of them exemplary overall on this one so so Allison what’s easiest for you to kind of flush out the comments do you want just a copy paste

2:15:42 um I’ll send you my comment that I read that sort of wrote one around what it stands for if you think it’s appropriate yeah and I just have a one-liner focusing more on the message rather than the messenger is a skill I would like to see Dr foxy develop further thank you let me say that in a different ways

2:16:09 um I think sometimes Dr Bucky sees someone who maybe a frequent flyer to emails and or freaking flyer to a public comment and I I it has been my experience that who is saying it sometimes takes precedent over what his boss gotcha so it’s another way of restating criticism so much

2:16:41 something if someone is a preferred respondent that says something good sometimes it’s weak I I think we need to wait what’s being said how often something’s being said and take the who is saying I Now understand what you’re saying I actually um don’t necessarily disagree I think that um sometimes it sucks to have that rooster growing outside your window every morning at six a.m because it gets irritating but you sometimes lose the true message from being in the message and you might be throwing away something that could be important both positive or negative so it does come a little bit it’s kind of tie in with the previous one if you need to

2:17:28 just learning in general how to better take the criticism from someone with a dissenting view than yours even if it’s I think in particular around certain things that are very near and dear I do say just to be fair to Dr Bucky and it’s a growth area in my mind I also highly cognizant that this district is unlike anything I’ve seen before with regards the amount of uh I would say involvement engagement um if you will uh that goes on says the man who has called Mr Bauer or principal Bauer to understand

2:18:12 but one son with humor but I think there’s been yeah he gets a lot of feedback and I think he has to continue to work on this for sure but we have a very involved district and that’s good I think that we also have to understand that there’s only a certain volume that can be processed at any given time I think I have no issues with your comment whatsoever nope okay did someone email me something I think I think we should sign up you can’t I think circling back with John because like I needed that explanation too but I think yeah this is a message him and I have had when when saying an email comes in and I and I I often joke with them and say you know

2:18:57 even if it’s someone you don’t think is someone that you know agrees my mother used to say a broken clock is

2:19:12 are you good with the concierge so I was saying more in the message rather than the messenger is still is a skill to improve upon production oh yeah I said um Dr Bucky would benefit from continuing to inform all stakeholders on what he stands for

2:19:35 um I think we want to balance it with like well yeah my my pieces and things have done well were kind of ten thousand foot um

2:19:53 you could say Dr Bucky has excelled in um culturally proficient vacation

2:20:00 I think I had in here about you know that he’s in the state of District update during each committee meeting to talk about initiatives with the district um that he’s insured parent and student participation in the hiring of administrative positions and he’s also you know active within the community on community committees and Boards such as

2:20:35 sort of how I finished my rah-rah sent to my raw Rock he’s clearly working hard on this so could it be better that always seems better but that’s a good time

2:21:08 so again and not say a stickler but for me um the two-way

2:21:16 communication and communication and you know casting that wide net is important versus I do these things which is good and that’s the step but do we do these things and we get even more involvement or when he does ABC versus XYZ and part of that is apparently being far more detailed in our goals and saying every time when you are noting a success or you know a goal that has been reached provide details onto our one and I also remember though this is a Performance Management right we’re trying to shape this one way or the other you know assess his performance and then make some decisions about what to do about it and I hear you um I think that um

2:22:08 two-way communication hearing from critics and engaging not dismissing things coming from sort of email addresses being invaluable just because it’s from a certain levels yeah that’s gonna be my question for you Allison do you feel it needs to be said again or because I think there’s many points at where communication comes up within this entire rubric I feel like I look at this from a dramatically different um perspective than people and that’s okay there’s one I’m not saying that in a bad way that’s okay um

2:22:48 I don’t I don’t I do feel more strongly that communication needs Improvement and that having that like because that that was something we all did and we I don’t know that’s noted in this one I know it’s just not notice yes and yeah I think it should carry forward to this song okay where this has one of the four indicators is actually communication and it says two-way communication that’s why I said sure

2:23:34 because that was really the one that I was saying I wanted needs Improvement because of that like the areas became very much away so since we went the proficient maybe it that’s a good place to know

2:23:54 did you get that in there I did yeah okay so are now we moved to professional culture yes okay um Sarah Sarah um I had a mix of uh proficient and exemplary and settled on overall proficient efficient on all acceptable

2:24:23 connection our overall profession of a mix of professions and two examples

2:24:36 we have overall position in the same mix uh proficient Improvement the shared vision is one I feel strongly about needs Improvement I was in um the meetings where I I heard a lot of teachers voices saying one thing and that’s not where we landed because unanimous voice of teachers with two recesses it was unanimous parents it was unanimous teachers principles and where we landed coming into this year was was one success and that’s that was such a big issue in our community throughout the spring and then again this past fall that I felt that that was significant that I didn’t feel that and that was my one example to go

2:25:24 on that I didn’t feel that um the the voices of that that feed that one really strong Community feedback piece with with parents teachers it was a unanimous vote in the administration at the office just because I hear you on this shared Vision proficient continuously engages all stakeholders is a creation or commitment to a shared educational Vision focus on student preparation for College and Career Readiness Civic engagement Community contributions responsible citizenship it’s always needs Improvement engages some administrative staff students families and community members and

2:26:09 developing committing to a shared educational Vision focused on student preparation for College and Career Readiness Civic engagement responsible citizenship and Community contributions but stakeholder engagement is limited and or the vision is unrepresentative of the district community I would say that one because we just talked about how it is limited to some voices instead of all voices I think from my perspective on culture the overall culture is sort of the end game which is you know student preparation for College and Career Readiness being consistent Etc I appreciate the point it should absolutely be noted um but I I think to I think I think Dr Buck is probably

2:26:57 meant this in my opinion um as a position based on at least what we’re being guided to move but I imagine with discounting frustration I always struggle when they sort of lean towards the high school as sort of the what we’re told to look at I struggle with that a bit but I mean it is what it is so I take both of you so if you don’t like that decision right

2:27:31 and he’s the final Barber on the decision as the district superintendent just because we don’t like it we say it’s a needs Improvement or is it no it’s not that is

2:27:49 we’re being asked that he listens to all the professionist listens to all stakeholders and needs Improvement is listens to some or most but it listens the same as does agreeing with but I think we just talked about how we don’t listen to people with critical voice and if someone comes with a critical voice they’re still in station I have no knowledge and decisions it’s not just this one decision

2:28:21 where we talk about the need to listen to critical voices too that to me shared those critical voices get to be part of a shared Vision as well and I do think that’s an area of improvement therefore do you think the voices weren’t listened to effectively I’m sort of more than not we’re not listening to all stakeholders and then satisfying all stakeholders I would say that there is a a group of people listen to you and I’m bringing people you know it’s quite clearly but I but on that particular decision I think if he sticks with that decision one of my issues with it and I I don’t know exactly how that fits how it’s in is that

2:29:08 the reason given was not the proper Precinct I’ve spoken to deci I’ve spoken everybody relive that decision no I don’t but no neither do I but if you’re going to make a decision don’t blame something else when that something else it doesn’t exist just say this was my decision I’ve chosen this route and stand in that which touches to your point on you know making which I do think he’s made progress on for sure in in having his voice at meetings speaking you know his his truth and his stance on on things I just want to see more of that so whether or not it’s going to be I just don’t think one of the places in the district where our Administration values all voices and that’s what profession is and needs

2:29:56 Improvement is that we we value less than all and I don’t think we value all those systems I’ll give you my two comments you have wrong comments and come back to this so I have two comments overall culture is healthy motivated professional staff and their desire for stability and Leadership I believe this to be true by the way based on the personal search committee that went through drunk’s leadership we’re supposed to teachers were able to quickly align on the vigorous reductions and Staffing and services to support the improved FY 24 budget this is a sign of leadership and healthy professional culture so to me what I’m trying to say here is one of the biggest indicators of

2:30:43 professional culture is that we didn’t have Pitchfork Explorer for torches and teachers and administrative Computing and buildings when we voted such a tough budget right everyone sort of got it and we’re pulling hands sucked but they all did it uh and then the 360 feedback that was incorporating the appendix I thought was positive so um I I think in general the culture here is is proficient um I don’t have a real huge issue on incorporating either a comment and or event if you want to stick with needs Improvement on shared division because of the specific baby teased out sir I don’t have an issue with that I would land on proficient overall if

2:31:29 we can share a vision it’s fine I think we should put that comment in around the specific as an example for why that means Improvement okay this is yeah you have to have them anyway

2:31:46 yeah yeah can you just send me no can we just say um Dr Buffy has shown Proficiency in professional culture one area that was identified as needs Improvement is shared vision

2:32:16 yeah it’s cheers vision um that this um this rating

2:32:26 was determined by or one indicator that led to this was the decision to reduce to one process process surrounding um reducing recesses to one in opposition to unanimous the unanimous recommendation from uh

2:33:13 Proficiency in professional culture one area that is identified as needs Improvement is shared Vision one indicator that led to this was the process surrounding the decision to reduce not reducing recess from two to one for K3 in opposition TNS recommendation to the committee appointed to explore this and that all occurred in fya 23 yeah it was over the summer and then it was implemented so it was a change was made what comedy was last year the committee the committee was last year and we left we left last year thinking well they they wanted back last year because okay okay it is appropriate because it was there was an outcry there was a response we

2:33:59 all went home for the summer we came back and it had been switched um I was sure Vision on the charter school during films

2:34:21 I’m just gonna put the same comment here um ensuring because this is not ensuring consistent instructions

2:34:51 across across say the last whatever the last one is because for me on the on the managing conflict you know I hesitate on that one because I think when it is a dissenting point of view or opposing point of view not necessarily something it’s a negative connotation but a different point of view um it evolves or doesn’t evolve in a different way and I just want to see more consistency

2:35:27 so I just want that same comment in there that we said did you put it in there yeah okay yeah

2:35:36 professional practice professional practice goals I have between significant progress and events sorry we’re the first page

2:35:49 yeah I think we just go back like no we didn’t do the first because the instructions are to do the whole review and then go back well but we have a writing for it yep so we just go down to what we said right the student learning goal is this no no this this top right but there’s the things

2:36:14 they’re the first four that we did so the first one is they’re they’re out of order in the way the packet flows the first one is a student learning goal the second one that we come to on page seven is the professional practice poll and then there are two District Improvement goals Okay so so that’s really the one the District of professional practice significant progress on that matter yeah I’m student learning goals it’s a significant progress or not it’s a different progress okay and then you just check those things yeah when I start calling you my kids needs District Improvement goal

2:37:00 where did we get for what was it those were two that’s where there was two combined into one correct yes

2:37:09 vehicle one we said significant progress fingers crossed and we do that can we just check both parts

2:37:18 there’s plenty of comments within it so okay um um and then the totals our last words is the total end of Cycles among some extent evaluation report I think it’s proficient because I think that’s where we ended on all of them

2:37:50 so I think I think the things that I wanted to highlight what has already been pulled down into a lower comment which was on

2:38:01 you know handling criticism I’ve already talked about that

2:38:07 um so the things that I think could be digested mine are long but um I basically complimented most Amendment to the school district and Leadership this year can we just wait can we just say Dr Bucky should be compliment on this commitment to the district yeah study leadership and Leadership I could I could just actually copy and send you something I’ll say I think the second thing is uh we did have two senior leaders get promoted out of the district I think that’s a real compliment to the district that people find are leadership attractive enough to hire new superintendents I mean it’s pretty awesome and that we then chose to internal candidates right to fill those spots

2:38:56 I think the financial transparency uh in the whole budget in a very difficult situation and I think is something I made some comments about I think he did a great job on that um so she’s writing there’s been a significant Improvement in transparency of the budget resulting I want to write resulting in the school budget being the standard yeah so whatever it is that’s what you did not paying a job departments

2:39:26 here’s the sentences I use I think you’re probably doing two I probably do an absolute job of approving MPS Financial transparency and FY 23. quality and detailed data provided to all stakeholders during the budget process was unprecedented for all Town departments and to set the talent standard for Town budget okay okay we were really

2:39:54 transition yeah I think what are the words that say that that was important for me to know I thought that the use of the provision of data now around student learning sharing that was good I think you guys made some Fair points like so what’s next you know so I think that’s a fair fair uh area to focus on next year so we did very um an area of growth would be taking um our data collection connected to next steps I think it would be Dr Biden I think we should it’s like sort of an attaboy and then let’s focus next year on what to do right not existence

2:40:40 um um I wrote that voice Institute i-Ready Assessments in FY 23 which is yielded valuable information regarding the efficacy of instruction in fps

2:40:57 I said I don’t want to say um demonstrate growth and I rated performance during f423 is a positive indicator for both student learning and structural leadership at this time at the time of this assessment we do not have access to MCAT score for FY 23. I do believe uh that black should take time any consistence performance data updates to the district stakeholders during a given but I think your Point’s probably a better one instead of just doing the updates it’s like so much and then and also qualified yeah yeah I think that’s a fair fantasy fantasy searchable data well we got the data analysis uncollected at the district this year a

2:41:44 point for continued Improvement would be to then transfer that data into instructional processes measurable outcomes for the district so I think how is the data being used to increase student achievement day to day to inform yes the two in four practices and so when we get sort of uh MCAS data in the fall with a new committee what is the committee and the administration going to do to either basically course correct if you will based upon an updated information how is the delivery of data informing practices

2:42:25 foreign okay foreign okay um so then my only other comments are qualitative and I think that I have two areas of growth the one is around sort of came with conflict is a problem with that in there again because that’s an important I can um what nope I would actually copy the one you did somewhere down in the bottom of the evaluation on communication or uh handicon just go back to his email yeah I think it was the first email that he sent he’s just a consent

2:43:01 I did I did it’s the best job yeah so so I think that’s that’s my one area of growth uh I think the second area growth and I’ve you know emphasized this with Dr Bucky multiple times and I I see him trying to step forward and do this is truly it’s been here three years this is time to step up front be leading from the front tell us who you are and what you stand for you know it might not always be 100 popular but you know we have to see growth in that area my um and so um use reaction versus reactive versus proactive I use the exact same terms in here and I think that he needs to be proactively leading

2:43:47 the district and this committee and I think you know

2:43:52 no more there’s no more so I think we need to continue to push in there um

2:44:05 you know I was very surprised okay yeah this will probably won’t make it into the comments but you know I was surprised just to give to me my feedback to him like we talked about the whole Dei coach thing it was like slide number four in the budget in January I was like what I didn’t even know what a coach was for DVI it turned out you know he wasn’t like willing to die in that Hill it wasn’t something he like truly believed in and so I didn’t know that and I don’t think District heating effectively communicate that he thought that was like the collective will it wasn’t necessarily what he stood for and I get that and I’m just using it as a poor example but it could be anything it could be an environmental which it could be sort of the curriculum it could be

2:44:51 what you know whatever I just think that he needs to take a farmer’s plan

2:45:04 for his leadership and dedication to the district there has been significant Improvement in transparency of budget and detail providers to the district the result being that the school budget became the standard that other departments were asked to reach by the finance committee

2:45:21 a tremendous amount of data has been collected a point of continued Improvement would be to then transition from data collection to instructional process and measurable outcomes for the district how is the state of being used to inform practices how is this data being used to force correct and improve student learning an additional area approach for Dr Bucky would be his engagement with critics and Dr Bucky to ensure that he continues to lead proactively rather than reactively also yeah I think very good can you um have a drink because you deserve it as next steps for you um can you just take all that copied into word to make sure it’s spell checked and then decide give that to us

2:46:14 I’m sure will do that she usually goes through all of the next Thursday next Thursday um I would like that to be sent to All of Us by Tuesday to review so that way um

2:46:35 I’ll let you talk to yourself sorry uh I am not here on Thursday so

2:46:43 personal opinion is that we should look on it but that’s just so I’m happy to um I’m happy to take a vote of support of everything that we’ve been over here just pending grammatical and spelling errors for the final stamp types so that we have a record of unanimous support and then we’ll just um finalize can we have a five minutes we’ll committee meeting in between now and next Thursday Tuesday oh yeah yeah we have time to post that’s fine I don’t even know what’s on my next Tuesday calendar let’s take a quick look at our calendars guys yeah well I thought that my calendar was correct and then could we do it in the morning

2:47:31 and I’m done with work at the end of this week so um

2:47:44 Megan everybody is Tuesday morning 9 A.M Zoom 10 minutes just taking unions hope sorry to say that again yes works for me Tuesday Morning Tuesday morning it literally should be really quick so it’s I’m not gonna do that there will not be a surprise at 9 00 am Zoom that worked for everybody yeah

2:48:13 if you’ll entertain that uh Madam chairwoman so just in case something happens we come down Tuesday and one more of us can’t show up yeah no I’ll ask her most to devote for it this month summative evaluation which is second of motion all in favor