Board of Health: September 28, 2022

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0:03 we’re about image TV. To do poll boat Andrew I pulled on roll call here on this Julian Miller president. Miscellaneously president Dr. Taco president. Okay, let’s get right to it. The first thing is the meeting minutes of July 12. I make a motion tooth as you see okay.

0:29 It’s yes, honestly Miller Dr. Condor. Yes, then the next or the minutes of August 11th.

0:40 Is there such?

0:45 As Joan Miller in favor and then we have the minutes of August 24th over there here a second. There are Mr. Miller on this one here. It’s 97 and like to move to accept the minutes of 9 7 200 this morning here. Okay. Next item is a facility sticker rebate looks like Matthew Hoover Jersey Street on extra permit and once the reforms

1:32 straight forward. She’s got a receipt and yeah, okay. Yes. Oh, so do we have a motion to the rebate? Seconded Thomas doing more in favor this one. He’s in favor. Alright now the transfer station updates through Andrew, if you could just start with an overview where we stand please sure so the facility committing that This bag will 18. At that time they voted to recommend option a option A is all traffic comes in. So both commercial and residential traffic comes in from Green Street and exits.

2:23 with some tests

2:29 this is the recommendation from vhv all technically come in here. We would have an internal gate that would block resonance about here on their commercial over about here on the skate would open up about 7am when the guys get to work or everybody gets to work and this would allow for Community to take place on the property. So no human would occur on Green Street. Like I said, this gives us approximately 700 feet on the property and there wouldn’t be any backup back on the green screen. We would do the same thing at lunch time. So this would say open. And people be able to queue on the property. I’m obviously your commercial be able to go all the way up over here. We have a call box to the Stillhouse.

3:15 And again, they have a much larger area of two. Residential traffic from here within at once 7:30. Once we open up all we would release the area and they would be allowed to enter the facility. So that would be for the Yardley Syria and all the recycling in the residential trash. Any questions about that? And that was recommended to go with that option by the transportation committee. That’s correct. And so that was a four zero two boat. So myself the other committee members and the two board members chose to abstain at that time. Obviously that again this is a four zero two so four for the recommendation zero against and then two extensions

4:01 that you board members. No reason why there was a reason we abstained because we thought that that’s correct. I mean, I’ll speak myself. Yeah. I thought that I was the person who should stay and I have staying because I felt that I would do my due diligence in both the table with my board members and that was my reason not because I was undecided. Haven’t done my homework. makes sense

4:28 so is the I know we got over this quite a bit. HBO is going over at our previous meeting. Do you have any further comments or discussion or questions for Andrew or maybe so it was a couple there were a couple concerns and stuff like that. Obviously the proximity to Arnold Terrace one was, you know, is there any way we could do any kind of plantings and stuff or you know kind of you easements or I’m trying to ease the view of the traffic himself like that. So we do have a plan to that goes down halfway down the wall. There are some spruce trees and some there’s trees that are there. Unfortunately the road goes right next to right up against that wall, which is what’s Harris now the

5:13 board could look at in the approach Arnold Terrace the plan our provides on their property to block some of the view on that would be something the Lord could take a look at so that would be on top of the wall and that would be on Arnold Harris. This Bruce is there on our side? property at the corner of the Arnold Terrace property and they don’t go all the way down. They do not go all the way down so they go about The first quarter of the property then there’s a couple deciduous trees that go further down and then the wall then there’s some little plantings and then it butts right into the wall at that time. That wasn’t their offense ago. It’s on top of the world. There is a fence it is on top of the wall entire way. Yeah. Which is why Urban buddies we have to be on our terrorist property, correct? Yeah, that’s also it’s their offense

6:01 there. It’s technically their wall. It’s on Town property, but it is their wall and the fence on top of it is theirs and they pay to put it on. Yeah, they maintain the fence and everything like that. and so when the building in commission was here, he seemed to indicate that he would be happy to work with Donald Terrace. I don’t know what he meant, you know by that but but to mitigate and also our town planner talked about mitigating, you know, what that was never going to getting factors. Like I said could be something like our provides we could look at other plantings of obviously our provides are quick growing kind of low profile kind of closer to the fence. Obviously. They may be losing some yard. They’re green year round. So they’re evergreen’s that’s really

6:48 what you know the type of

6:52 Things that you could do in that area and that would come out of our one point. Whatever. Yeah, that would have to become that would come out our budget as long as Arnold Terrace was no amenable to some of that stuff and do do you think you think that that will be assignment? Not much over Sound area and would say no. No, so it’s not going to create a sound barrier. It’s really gonna create a new barrier because of the close proximity to the traffic even if you built a sound wall. So a sound wall built on the highway is built for long distance sound because the traffic is right up against the thought that wall it’s gonna carry over but this would be a view No way to block them. The other concern that Arnold Terrace did have is

7:38 about pollution. We did install What’s called the purple air filter our purple air monitoring device and that’s an air quality device. Let’s use across the states will get Smog and other smart small particularly air quality issues. We install that right on the scale house. So here from both the incoming and outgoing traffic. We have not seen any excedances. It’s live. You can go that anytime of the day. Some of the higher numbers actually heard this Sunday when we had cloud cover that just keeps all that smog down. Obviously. It wasn’t from local pollution. It was from pollution mother areas, but we do not feel that the traffic is being implication. And where you have those that meters right on the scale

8:25 right on the scale house. It’s about shoulder height right now. Maybe about head height that is up at the top. But currently it’s taking all that we’re looking at all the vehicular traffic that’s going past that meter both inbound and outgoing traffic. So it hit some twice it’s a twice. Yeah, and where you know what we’re proposing is just Incoming traffic so you’re not getting the outgoing traffic as well. And there were concerns. I know the neighborhood about diesel fumes but they’re minimal. Yeah, so we have about 50 commercial vehicles a day and a very small percentage of that R&D is a diesel vehicles. If you said his 12% you know, you’re talking maybe at the most a handful of vehicles. So say

9:10 that curing up and then the commercial would start to cue about here. You have a much longer, too. And certainly if they have to wait their motives will be turned to us. That’s correct me so I mean, obviously the biggest issue is winter time when when people are trying to stay warm in their vehicles. And obviously the thing that we’re trying to do is we’re trying to plan for a 50-year project. We want this building to be here at least 50 years technology is changing at some point. We will see a lot of electric vehicles a lot of us even with the residential cars have new kind of a mission control cars like so if I pull up at a stop sign my car shuts off until I start to go again. So obviously we would be posting no idling signs, but that’s

9:56 something that we would have a hard time and foresee, but we try to make sure everybody is aware of that when we send out sticker information we can make sure that was on Inside is like you said. Yeah and like my cursions right at residential vehicle. Shuts up at the most being here still stays on it. Yeah, that’s great. I mean, I don’t know. I mean charismate that one. And I have something else on top of it. Isn’t there was an option being that was yeah, and so awesome B was to have residential traffic under Green Street exit would have been but the commercial traffic would enter wooden Terrace and exit would be Terrace. Can you show us if there’s any Criss Cross

10:44 or anything that would happen with that one? Yeah, so I do you wouldn’t have any crisscross you keep them. Obviously. So you have the residential they would be this pink line. And so they’d be The Far Side. So they’d be exiting that way. So to make sure there’s no crisscross. They would come in. They would have to stop at the gate when we open. You know, the gate doesn’t open till 7:30 in the morning. So you would have some backup onto Whitman Terrace and the potentially at the Beacon Street there was loop around you would have to have Obviously positioned the scale house appropriately one of the things with that is that up top. We’re gonna have a scale house an employee break room at this point. I think the best idea is to put those together you’re still gonna have the two bathrooms the one for the scale house and one for the employees and all that. But if we actually, you know ended up

11:32 going to the planning board of the CDA and they wanted us to do something different you wouldn’t be changing design. So I would marry those two buildings together. And then you have to have another so we’re moving traffic up this way for commercial as a speaker box. So you can talk to the attendance say this is what I’m trying to do get on the scale. We only accept cash check at that time. This is what we do currently so there’s communication back and forth. So you have a similar box over here. Obviously that’s going to stick out. There’s gonna be nothing around it. So there is a chance that could be hit but you know. there is you know, you can take

12:10 you’re still the biggest issue Engage The attractive dresses or voice their concern is that you’re still having vehicle traffic on Woodson Terrace and potentially on Topeka the other concern with that is now you have two engines. And does that cause for people to go the wrong one as soon as the residential trap vehicle go over here? They can’t get through so they have to go back out and around.

12:35 But this it probably will be Sanders this commercial vehicles own. Yeah, but then these are getting all the way to the facility before you see that signage. So also for them that Option be because the alternative enough and the other option preferred but whatever that means but I also it seemed that this scale house was not the scale list of the scales itself could be in a different place. No so we can be that we can position the scale. Ah, no, obviously we want to make sure we position the scale appropriately to handle that traffic you’re gonna be moving around you’re trying to make it as easy as possible, especially for somebody with a trailer. So you’re back, you know, you’re pulling for and then backing up on a straight line to get on to that scale. You got to wait for it to buzz and then move on dump and then pull back

13:23 on. The when you’re marrying the two billions together the scale house person cannot see the traffic behind them. So some of the issues you could do with that with your cameras. So we do have a proposal to install cameras. I have a proposal tonight from Signet. So you just be adding some additional cameras to the back of the building or and other areas and having monitors in the scale house. We’re going to do that anyways to make sure you can see the traffic flow in any issues that are occurring over here. It is the scale itself gonna be a different place if you use so it’s hard to say we haven’t gone through the design phase. Obviously it’s gonna be different than where it is today. Um, but you know it I would think that’s probably gonna be a very similar location. Um,

14:09 you know, and that’s something that in front of the kid. Yes, we’re looking at right in front of the pig. We think that’s probably the easiest thing by the time you’re writing from the pit. You’re usually the greatest it should be the easiest thing to get on and off again. Will the pit be raised as it is now if you yet so currently when you pull up there’s a little bit of a lip. Yeah. It’s probably an eight inch increase. I know you do grading student batch everything to that. So you pull onto the scale you’d want that area is fly as possible. So you’re protecting the scale itself all the edges. I want to do that for plowing reasons, you know, you don’t want to catch an edge and stuff like that, but then you want to smooth transition on to that, you know the Tipping floor. so with the

14:56 Forgive me you called it the device that someone’s going to be able to talk to and communicate that’s again, you know like makeup makeup. Yeah, so it can be raised with a curves and yes you want to do a curve there. So people don’t cut the corner and take out the speaker box. Now that that’s still possible that you could drive a trailer over the curb, you know. Yes, you try to you know. Even a Cape Cod for around which is like your standard asphalt or arm is pretty easy to drive over a granite curves harder, but you risk the puncturing tires and stuff like that. But yeah, you definitely want to have an island there the dedicate this is the lane you’re gonna stop here. You’re gonna have control lights and stuff like that to say stop pull forward or you’re gonna talk to the

15:42 person there. So they know they ask me communication is probably sound as well for pulling on the scale making sure the scale house has taken the measurement letting them go down pulling back on the scale making sure they have the measurement and then they can pull up to leave. What you’re trying to do is that you want to create enough space and that’s why we’re having a scale probably as close to the pit as possible so that when this person’s done and they can potentially pull up and do theirs transaction at the scale house. The next person can begin the process of getting up weighing up dumping scaling up and you know entering the scales as well. Okay. One thing that I’m unclear though. Yep with option A. Yep, when you get to the top, do you still have to and hope to

16:28 the scale? So commercial? Commercial is do you still have to use in Green Street? You still have to back up and do all that? Yes, you still have the backup. So you’re pulling forward here. You’re backing up onto the scale. You’re waiting for them to take the measurements. You’re dumping you’re pulling back on the scale. And then you’re pulling forward to do the transaction. Nothing any different between the two options now, okay, just the location. Just yeah, just the location where you’re pulling problem and where that call box is gonna be compared to the island or over on the side out of the way. Now, they’re gonna have a call box on the other side. Yeah, so there will be a call box here which is off the side of the road. It makes it easier for plowing. It doesn’t stick out in the middle as an island. But all those things, you know, the Green Street people they don’t have a call box. They’re just gonna have

17:15 you know, so the Green Street for so you have to designate residential traffic commercial traffic so residential traffic, so they’re a sticker traffic or there. We’re using a stick of the system through cameras. Okay, they’re going to the right so that they’re sticker. So the only thing they’re throwing away, um is right, you know, residential trash bag trash or the recycling or the yard waste now would you do some transactions up there like monitors and other small things like that? We would try to push all that stuff online. We will have an attending smooth over the area by the residential trash area and we can do some we’re trying not to do any transactions up there. But we could have a transaction boot on the idea is that it is going to be heated. It is going to be cool just through

18:00 a mini split system, but a very small similar to the new.

18:07 the new tourist Booth down by Starbucks the CrossFit from Starbucks by Memorial Park, but ours is gonna have heat in AC. It’s probably they can be a slab on grade something very easy that you can pinch the ground. So it’s not gonna move and that way, you know somebody there if you need to check stickers that could occur there, but you can do those transactions, you know, because you’re moving you’re trying to move everything in this direction to but the idea is to not have transactions up there is to really push everything online. Is it reasonable to expend a patient people that are coming in with a monitor or something that they need to they would normally have a transaction they would walk into the scalehouse and make pay to get rid of a mattress

18:54 that they came with a mattress and they said oops I didn’t do anything online. They can just get on their phone and potentially make the transaction. Yes. So I think that the automation is gonna relieve some more of the issues the more that’s the idea is that you know, it’s gonna release some issues. It’s gonna you know, and it really it’s gonna forget some Manpower too. So you have a receipt you did online. Yes, you’d have a receipt you just Pentagon receipt you could attach it right to your TV like we do now all right to your mattress, or you can just you’re gonna hand it to the attendance and say I pay for the side of them. All right disposal now or you could maybe flash your phone. Yeah. That’s exactly right so we can figure something out for the phones like we do for so many things these days. Yeah.

19:38 Any other questions that you guys know, you have the automated the plan b or not? Yeah. Okay. Yep, but you still need the car box. So you still need to call box for the commercial and the car? Yeah, the commercial still has to have the call box to talk to the scale house and they have to have it at Green Street also. No, there’s nothing down here. So what because they get all the way so all the way you’re gonna get all the way up to the we are gonna be okay eventually as we grow in automation as every transaction Place does is it as we’re talking about a 50 year plan? It is very possible to imagine that the people that come to use the pit and make a transactional transaction there that could be all automated with respect to if

20:25 we’ve got light if they’re going to use it. Maybe they need to have a virtual online account. Yeah, and then we’ve got these cameras, you know, the person running the scale would be able to have Snapping shots while they’re making. Yes. So some of the systems out there. There’s nobody even in the scale house on that. But right so like there are new automated systems for scales truck drivers where they have key passes or other punch codes you pull up on the scale. The scale is gonna Flash the green light to say we have your weight you dump your material you get back on the scale. It’s gonna flash again. Everything’s pulling off your key tag or something like that. But tomorrow at pets it can go on vehicles. There are

21:10 systems out there currently that work that way. So yeah, I mean no, I’m not trying you know, but all as automation. Yes, we want to be as future thinking as possible and I don’t and obviously like one of the issues right now that we’re dealing with this. We’re just dealing with some technology issues that we need to overcome. But all that stuff will get ironed out. We have to believe in this technology. Yeah, and I think going forward it can be in. Help to augment the services who are not necessarily take people out of it because I’m never a fan of that right any transaction, correct? I think if we’re going to be making these investments in the cameras and some of these Technologies and looking down the road, that’s really valuable. Yeah. I haven’t simplify streamline.

21:57 Yes. So like some of the things that we love to get to and it’s Manpower issues look to be open during lunch, but we have to have a certain number of people there to look at everything looks being dropped off, but potentially with automation we can get there. Thank you. So are there any more questions from members of the board? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it’s pretty good. Oh, yes 19 Spinners one time honest as you like. Yeah, and we had the consultant from PHP of their last meeting and they do recommend option and so everyone talk about it like on your public commented agenda, but if there’s anybody who wants to discuss this issue we can talk now instead of

22:43 at the end of the meeting to just raise your hand in the creative introduce yourself if anybody yes. David Lieberman five Arnold Terrace I do have a couple of questions and an observations. one second Hey David, hold off. Permit. There’s somebody right in front of you. I’m just gonna be game at all on like right. Go ahead. Thank you. My name is Janet Mayer and I live on Woodside Drive. And I’m interested in this traffic study issues. I’m also interested in we thought coming today 15. I went to the your office and I found an agenda for tonight and it didn’t start

23:31 till 8:15 so that we could hear the traffic study group report to you. But apparently that wasn’t accurate. There’s no traffic group here. That was not on the plan tonight. It was

23:48 way too late.

23:51 anyway That’s a disappointment. We have a lot of in our neighborhood in the Green Street Waterside there. one of the concerns I don’t know whether you mentioned to the track study group that the public school the Property school is going to be sold and presumably create quite a bit of traffic. We don’t know whether they were advised with that. So we don’t have it. Like we have not been told the coppin schools and sold but we know it will be as public. It’s been it’s actually we have until that. Okay, we have about three years ago

24:37 when the brown school was approved so we know it’s going to be so and it’s a large piece of property and it is a budding. This green screen traffic issue and I don’t know whether you informed the traffic study of that issue. It doesn’t sound like you did. Am I right? So when they looked at it they look at traffic coming from like the center of town traffic coming down Green Street and traffic coming up Westshore Drive, okay. so presently we feel as residents. We have a lot of traffic. and I see that Option b would work an option A would work and the Consultants have recommended

25:23 a and I’m haven’t heard tonight why a is better than b a being having everyone going on and off, you know going in on Green Street versus just within Terrace and from the neighbors perspective. It seems in a common sense way be would be better for the neighborhood. So I want to hear the explanation of why the Consultants thought a was better than b. So the consultant spot a was better than me because all traffic would cue on Town property on option being traffic will continue to queue on Woodman Terrace. Potentially Arthur Beacon

26:09 Street, which is a public way and there has been a history of accidents happenings and and you don’t think there are Green Street obviously as well. I just telling you with the Consultants, right, but you’re all intelligent people so somebody shouldn’t push back and said well green streets of public way too. So it seems to me you’re adding a whole new dimension of traffic on Green Street that has never been there before. And it just doesn’t make the common sense test. basically Plus, we now have many more residents. in that little section of Green Street, then we not when you did your traffic study, but more than when you did your

26:56 traffic study, but in general and now you’re doing everybody up Green Street, where we already have a difficulty on

27:08 Waterside with people using it as a shortcut to avoid West Shore and we have a whole big development of many acres that is going to happen. Over at the school site and it’s not even mentioned here. And so I look at this and say he doesn’t seem like a well thought process. for travel and that’s pretty much all I have to say about it, but I hope You’ll reconsider it furthermore. If this turns out to be as bad as we all expected, it’s going to be where I live. What are you going to do about it?

27:54 You’re going to change it. You’re going to look at it again. I mean we’re in this position because the transfer station that was supposed to happen years ago. Failed and now the resonance in the nearby neighborhood are left with this problem. Nobody else in town is left with this problem. We are. And I consider it. unreasonable Thank you.

28:36 Can hear the rates are doing it together to find the mouse. I’d like to start by endorsing everything. We’ve just heard. I think those were all excellent points. I’ll point out that the board has heard some of those points from some of the rest of us, especially with with respect to the coffin School of development and it was more or less dismissed out of hands. So I’m glad to hear that raised Canada’s context. um on the question of referring option A to avoid queuing up of traffic on Woodfin Terrace and out on to Beacon Street. I’m confused by. The strength or the perceived strength of this argument because the traffic that we’re talking about queuing up on Woodfin Terrace under the option b

29:24 proposal. That I believe is on the table consists entirely of commercial traffic the same Vine of commercial traffic that if it’s coming down the access road we’re saying well, it’s not that much. So which is it really? Is it not that much and that’s justifies going down the access road just fine, or is it way too much in Woodson terrorist possibly handle the load both of those. Nice can’t possibly be true at the same time. The other thing I’ll point out is love of 50 year plan. The reality is I think we all acknowledge. We are good 10 to 15 years away from a moment in time when we can hope. that the fleet of commercial vehicles in the state will be predominantly electronic Vehicles electric vehicles battery operated Vehicles. Diesel vehicles

30:12 are going to be with us. For at least the next next 10 to 15 years and I don’t think anybody expects anything different to evolve out of the marketplace. in the near term Honestly, if we were talking about a commercial Fleet that consisted entirely of light emission vehicles noiseless vehicles low pollution Vehicles. We probably be having a very different conversation about the use of the access road right now, but that’s now what is going to look like and you’ve just acknowledged to us to study acknowledges queuing is going to happen on the access road and you’ve just acknowledged that you have little to no expectation that you’ll be able to enforce any kind of idling restrictions on vehicles on that road in real time.

30:57 So, I mean, I think those are really problematic assumptions. And on the mitigation steps that I’ve heard mentioned here tonight are virtually identical to the mitigation steps that I heard Andrew talk about. I don’t know six or seven years ago when we weren’t even talking about using the access road for anything, but the trailers coming intend to the pit. I’ve heard no real significant change to that plan as a result of the impact. This this implementation will have on our neighborhood. So, I mean I haven’t heard anything that strikes me as a truly compelling reason not to go with plan B. Which is to say that all the all the residential traffic is coming out on the access road and all the commercial traffic is coming in and all on woodfinterest and all all the

31:43 traffic is exiting on what’s in Paris. I haven’t heard a really compelling reason not to do that apart from it somewhat suboptimal. For the plan for using the transfer station, welcome my perspective from the perspective of my neighborhood using the access road at all is extremely suboptimal. for any amount of traffic to my mind a reasonable compromise is none of us is in love with the solution that we land with but at least We have mitigated the worst impacts of using that road on this immediate community that a busy access road if we at least eliminate all of these traffic. the the pit Vehicles excluded

32:27 that seems to me to be at least an acceptable compromise on all sides. again, I I do think that the arguments from the From the rest of Green Street use cases are valid and Richard Lawson except considered by this board when you take your vote. That I think the risks posed to or from the coffin School development increases of traffic from that increases of pedestrian traffic that are real and should be part of the calculation. Thank you. Thank you.

33:02 Mr. Herdmark

33:10 hello, I’m sorry was our question. I couldn’t quite here. I know this. I heard Mars looking to speak. Yeah.

33:19 Yes, good evening Herbert mayor Tim Waterside Road. The question of Mr. Petty. Did I understand in your presentation? You said commercial vehicles would have to back up? to as part of the process of weighing their

33:41 that what they’re carrying before they could go out. Track so they would be backing up as they’re backing up into the pit. And that’s where the scale would be. So they’re backing up onto the scale and then into the bay. Just wait. So the way that goes now they they drive onto the scale. Go around and back up to the pit. That’s how So they they would pull they would the way if we went with the opportunity they would stop at the call box. I communication with the scale saying this is what I’d like to do. They would pull forward and start to back up into the pit, which is right before the pit is going to be the scale. So they would stop on that scale way and then further back up onto that.

34:26 That floor dump then pull forward slightly back onto the scale and then pull up to the scale house to have the transaction. to pay and then leave like it’s my observation will be that the current situation is not good and what I understand you’re describing would be worse. as far as traffic and the traffic flow at the entrance of the dump station, but thank you for answering my question. Thank you. Anyone else? Yes. Hi, Angela Alice. I’m 199 Green

35:11 Street. I’m sorry that I meant a couple of meetings on a little out of the loop, but I just wanted to say again what I’ve said before to. Andrew that you know, the resident of Green Street the traffic down Green Street is heavy enough As it is that a lot of particular Solutions in the traffic is I just I’m surprised you know that the board of health is going to put more burden on our neighborhood in terms of amospheric pollution to noise and the safety of resonance. Frankly. I mean there was an 18-wheeler truck actually took out a tree outside our property last week, you know, I mean, there’s too much traffic already on Green Street. No people come way

35:59 fast down there if there’s traffic gonna be Sticking out from the end of the access rather than background between Street there are going to be accidents. I just think it’s a shame, you know, the Board of Health is not considered. The residents and a residential area, you know when current the current I’m sure there’s another solution to this and it seems like saving money is expensive. A whole residential area and it’s not a wealthy. It’s not the wealthiest part of town and it just seems to me like you’re dumping on us. I’m very disappointed. And it you know, it’s going to but nobody values. It’s it’s just a shame that you put something better.

36:49 Thank you.

36:54 Is there anybody else? Online or yes, Suzanne the grill 19B Green Street. I agree with Angela the traffic that we have on Green Street. Which includes 18 wheelers going up tired away? All all day long. We don’t really need any more and I don’t see it seems to me that the entrance on woodprint Terrace, which is commercial as it is. Is the right place or at least commercial traffic to go? And exit to say just a little bit more of what we’re dealing with on Green Street as it is.

37:42 Thank you.

37:45 All right. There’s nobody else. All right, we will know when you have online. No you no one in the audience really. So because if you close this now, we have a discussion. There’s not an opportunity for it, but talk about this when I am. Yes. Okay. Yeah when we get back that everything but this So having good and then those people that haven’t spoken that are here. They don’t wish to say. Yes, everything can sit. Okay, so we’ll close the public comment part of this and we have a discussion ourselves and we do have a vote to take today because we need to move forward any which way we need to move forward and it’s a nice thing to set how we do that.

38:31 You know what, whatever we do decide. I was just thinking about this. I bite up a long time ago that you would never the table and we haven’t thought about a one way out of the street or the Green Street or anything. We can’t control that that’s all bhp’s not to make any of those suggestions that we should entertaining and that stuff later on the traffic expert. I mean, obviously the board and everybody needs to remember that. You know, we need to go to planning board and we believe we need to go to zoning board. All these things will be looked at again. It’s most likely when we get to the planning board that we’ll have to hire another consultant that our expense to review this and unless they just accept the vhp, but that’s not

39:19 Yeah, we reward that. It’s potential that they’ll do another traffic. So really, when did you hear that? I heard that through Becky and she said it’s to you as well. Yeah, Alan brought it up. I know he brought up about the zoning board yet, but I know yeah almost like we wouldn’t go when we go the planning board. They’re gonna want to make sure that they’re, you know, look at the traffic study and that they have all the information that they need to make the decisions as well. That’s what we have the subcommittee which really in with advisory that might have been helpful to him see me on there because she can’t give you so so Amy doesn’t control the students again. So in Amy is brand new at the highway department. BHB is the expert for traffic. Everybody’s gonna

40:04 look back to the HD to say what are you telling us that we should do and that’s why we hire them to get there are travel pencil. They’re actually notice. Yes. and they didn’t say anything about One Way streets or no Okay. So in other words whatever we decide tonight, it’s still not set in stone because there’s right. Obviously what when you’re deciding tonight allows us to move forward with what we want to do as a plan or what the board wants to do as a plan. You still have to go through the permitting process which is going to be designing more and more. Okay.

40:43 And you comments or discussion points Joanne’s been over the more intimately involved because she’s had the meeting with the residents. So not that I have my thoughts, but maybe you’d like to go first, but I Sure. I just have been thinking about this a lot.

41:05 and it weighs on me so much and I’m so grateful to have residents that have expressed their concerns and communicated very elegantly the issues Mr. Lieberman got my attention at an earlier meeting when we were

41:24 originally struggling with some of the traffic plans for the transfer station and I was really intrigued by his comments and they were impacting me to you know want to hear more and we had a we convened here in this room and the residents that wanted to came and expressed their concerns and it was it was I think really really important and it made me really grateful to

41:55 Serve in community where you know we have this form of government in our town where people can can talk and show up and then of course it was the first time I think we got to meet in person. So that was also really helpful to hear people’s voices and hear them in person. And so convening with the bright Minds that have been working on this for such a long time and getting people’s points of view and the community and the traffic Consultants

42:32 has really been something I

42:36 um, then learning learning and struggling with because I don’t think there’s a really easy answer here and I wish there was I I remember the night that we presented the access road as a viable option to help. Get people into the trans transfer station. I was so excited to think. Oh, here’s a solution and then to learn that not so fast. There’s a lot of things to consider and I think as this lovely community that I have to I’m so grateful to have moved here 17 years ago because I love it so much and one of the things I love is how people listen to one another and care about one another and

43:21 that our job is to finish the transfer station and our job is also to support the health and safety of our community and

43:31 the health and safety of this residential neighborhood is in our interest and I I really am impacted by the concerns of residents that live close by to the transfer station. These are your homes and this is where you live and raise your family. and

43:50 I respect that very much and I do believe and I have really

43:57 spent a lot of time trying to met wrestle with us to make sure I’m doing due diligence, but I really believe that. historically the understanding was this neighborhood understood the access road there to be only for the commercial vehicles that were coming. And I think that’s pretty clear and that was an understanding and I think because that’s historically the reasoning. I think it’s a very heavy burden to have in 2022 to say, you know, this is the best option for the community our community and

44:42 therefore I’m not suggesting that we can’t use the access road. I understand it is a utility of that road is very important.

44:54 But I do believe that we can accomplish this. project and be really cognizant of the concerns of people that live close by and

45:10 and I think I I did campaign for this office last year as a student of Public Health and the adage of Public Health is an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and I really Value that it really got my attention when I was studying Public Health. And I think that this ounce of prevention it’s not taking the burden off the community. But it is lightning and it’s lightning with taking the heavy heavy. Vehicles off that access road and further away from this neighborhood. It’s taking the acoustic. Impacts it’s lightning the acoustic

45:55 impact that neighborhood. The vibrations lessening those to some extent I would imagine.

46:06 And I’m really grateful that we’ve done we’re investigating and seeing that pollution. In fact has that makes me much more comfortable with, you know, having this resource right here in our community and these beautiful residential Neighbors in your neighborhoods nearby. So that is where I land today and that’s I’d love to share discussion about those points. I don’t sound as you know uncomfortable as I feel are you making your recommendations? Well, I’m suggesting that I’m very grateful that we convened these other groups that the community. the transfer station committee to examine this when we did have a meeting

46:54 that was you know.

47:01 Helpful, and then getting the traffic study was very useful as well because it gave us an opportunity to have conversation and welcome their data.

47:14 And their data does say the access road and the way that the traffic study. The traffic Consultants were able to change some of the concerns that we had about this by bringing the residential traffic up the excuse me, the traffic up into the transfer station property and having them wait for the gate to open there. I I think that’s solved a lot of the problems down on grade street. So I think it was completely valuable to engage those bright minds and those experts but I I do still believe there’s it’s very important to mitigate some of the burden placed on this residential neighborhood people whose homes.

47:58 Mean everything to them and I respect their arguments. I think they made some very compelling points. So I’d love your comments and to have a discussion do you well? It doesn’t sound like Joey wants to take a boat tonight. No, I I’d love to hear your point. Well, certainly. We’re a Board of Health. and I’m interested in all the communities and how and

48:34 I as a public health official here and one who’s trained in public health. I think that we have to take. as you said the health and safety of all the health and safety of all Neighbors the pollution even though we’re told this. Except the program the purple the language for both air. Yeah. Okay. That is there we I hope that that works and I think that over the last. What six years that we’ve been working with animal terrorists have been that long I think tomorrow and so much has talked about the emotional and mental

49:22 health of our community. I don’t think they need any more burden in that regard and I don’t think that our community needs to hear this anymore. I’m so happy that we’re going to be coming to some kind of a decision today, even though we’re here now that it’s going to be another study and another study in another board and another board but at least we will be free of this decision for the time being. and so yes, when

49:59 I was running for office when other people were running for office in the community this past June and for other offices, I think and during the pandemic we will all talking about the emotional and mental well-being and believe me my emotional and mental well-being today has been at its highest. and I would like to have a good night’s sleep tonight. So I listen to all the comments in red. The traffic studies I say studies because we got option A and then we got option b and I’ve spoken to neighbors of the area Butters citizens all of the town the town

50:44 planner The Building Commissioner not just at this table, but I placed her had made contact with them. They have to say anything different than what they said at this table believe me, there’s no secrets. But I just wanted to reiterate what was you know, going through their minds why they voted why they vote the way they voted so that I could Wrote the way I felt responsible and although this has been a very difficult decision and we are the Board of Health and we have to make decisions based on the health and I think I gave you my rationale of the help of the community and I think that we could make the burden in the concerns a little easier for the year. But as a neighbors while alleviating some of

51:30 the peak 10 cues, I’m going to go to option.

51:38 So I think that considering all the factors option being is most optimal to me this time. I don’t know if I’m gonna have another opportunity to speak but I saw say all that I have to say as far as the accidents go on Beacon Street, there were eight and seven years. And only one was during the hours of the transfer station that was open. So it would none. Well, not not one and it was on a Saturday. that was at the time we opened the transportation was open. So I think that to me. That study. I don’t even know why put it in there because yes, those seven people that had accidents of those

52:24 eight people. I’m sure they didn’t weren’t happy to have to bring their power over to Winslow’s but and that was I don’t think that there was a factor of as far as I’m concerned and also I saw that on the two accesses that he the person who didn’t study on the people who did was study so they were also six. On the Green Street one on Pittman and one Beacon Green Street. So there were other accidents created not just on Vegan Street. the Other thing that I would like to say and I’m glad that Andrew brought that up earlier because I would like to would have helped it the budget time to consider some options for remaining

53:12 open at lunch time. I think it might have to be the legendary thing.

53:19 So that would be something that we would want to do.

53:28 I get it. Well that I I felt a lot of line. That’s why I asked about the scale if it was going to make a difference as far as whether we were with a or b. It doesn’t seem like this decision is forever because I don’t think anything that’s going to be put in place would change if It was a necessity to reevaluate this. Even though I’m supposed to traffic logos, like honestly, you’re not gonna go back. Once once you go down this path even with option b, they’re not gonna go back to everybody coming in. Would have been an accident would you know, but we we could go back to option A no. No. All right. Well, all right, so I’m wrong. Yeah, but I’m still in favor

54:15 of option being on the right now, but I I didn’t that’s where I’ve asked you but and it’s forever in my mind because

54:25 I’m I’m solid about this.

54:30 Yeah, I mean, no, obviously I’m really sorry with the neighbors have the same but we can when you’re talking the maximum 60 commercial vehicles a day, which we give with already. So like you said you’re gonna make this work you didn’t try to design the best plan that you can for option be that’s what you would like to do. That’s what we’ll do. Um, well, I’m only one person I understood, you know. We just want to make sure that everybody understands what?

55:00 What’s going to continue to happen? So we still have our trash trailers are still going to come in down this way and they’re gonna accident on Green Street that occurs today that will continue to concern to occur. When we do yard waste work. We have tractor trailers that enter currently enter the facility this way they have to come in this way because of traffic though. I can’t have a traffic failure coming in against Residential traffic because of the way it is, but you know, we want to have a safe facility, but if the board wants to choose to go with option beef we can try to make the best plan as possible.

55:38 Yes the media, you know what I maybe to even clarify my position because if the study did say there was 64 trucks average. There was 72 on during Saturday, but the average was I think 62 or 64 but we can’t hear because you’re speaking down and there’s no microphones here. I’m sorry. Yeah, you know what in your chairs the father way than they usually I know but we have to bring configure the room earlier and I’m sorry about that. I thought I had I projected a pretty good voice, but I guess but You know, I was very very interested in the class one and the class two commercial vehicles because I was picturing all these big trucks like dump trucks and things like class one is a 6,000

56:26 pound or less. It’s just like a pickup truck or a small van and the class 2 is 6,000 to 10,000. I took these notes and there are larger pickup trucks, but they’re not what I call average commercial testimony. Yeah and our small right so If they’re not like you say the 18 wheelers, they’re talking about going up to tell the way or these are all I realizing that I still am. interested in optionally

57:05 so I have spent a very long time when this as well, I’ve been reading the report Reading denim supports I have Talk to people in the neighborhood. I have just spent a long time this years but you know months for the most recent iteration. And I’d say in the last six months majority of what I’ve been thinking about has been Arnold Terrace and how to make that work. But I’m still leaning towards option here because I think that it’s been vetted. It’s been studied by a nationally renowned nationally recognized traffic studying group. I think that if we do the most efficient plan that works the best. I think that makes it

57:50 the best for the neighborhood as well. Um, there’s definitely pluses and minuses either way, there’s pluses and minuses and I recognize that and I know there’s the burdens on the neighborhood no matter what we do, but I just feel like Having the most efficient layout which is in my opinion way more efficient than being. I think that it’s going to be better than than anything else and a lot of a lot of the the fears like, you know at our last meeting there’s a man and I can’t remember his name who said it really had said this before he would have felt better, but it was about the queuing up on the access road and he didn’t realize that most of the queuing would actually happen beyond the Arnold terrorist property. So it’s it’s up to us to

58:36 make sure that people understand stuff like that that the Lion’s not going to go from the entrance gate all the way to Green Street. It’s gonna be because of the depth of the property. It’s going to be well beyond our own Terrace things like that have kind of swayed me also that it’s It’s like I said, it’s not optimal, but it’s not as dire potentially as as people are worried. And and like I also just said I think that Having the most efficient low will in the end in the long run smooth out to be the most efficient one property and and therefore the most beneficial for traffic and surrounding roads and for the neighborhoods. So while I I really have spent.

59:21 So much time worrying about the neighborhood and that’s why I’m thinking that even though this sounds counterintuitive. I think that I think that a is really the best way to go and that’s why I would support a why don’t you call me two in the morning when you couldn’t sleep?

59:39 So that’s that’s my two cents.

59:47 Unfortunately, you guys do you need to decide what you need to vote tonight need to go into newborn. You need to continue the planners projects what obviously a lot of things.

1:00:01 So I don’t know. We’re is there anything more you want to ask Andrew or Jerry? Who’s here or amongst each other or should we just go right to a boat is it sounds like we’ve all it seems like the writing is on the wall. There’s struggling. Yeah, we all started. well, Jerry, I mean It’s I I can say. is that

1:00:28 the traffic and goes to the pit. I’m going to somewhere between four and six percent. Of the total Fabric and your average day is done. So like I asked you in the last time you met. Who wins? by making the commercial traffic come in a wooden Terrace. and have to Lauren Circle back again when the game and

1:01:06 But but they’re still going to be. An 1100 car a day. They’re still going to be. More than 10,000.

1:01:19 Ten a thousand cars than Indiana carrots. And and the vehicle as you grasped. I’m not being stinky loud diesel trucks. The vast majority of commercial vehicles going to the tests are pickup trucks small rack trucks. You know nothing with more than four wheels and occasional one with six weeks. so it’s a distinction without a difference. there that if we’re going to use animal Terrace the smart thing to do they have everybody go up.

1:02:05 Panel test and that’s and because honestly that the impact the additional impact on our terrorists. From that 45 or 60 cars out of 1100. Just isn’t going to be noticeable. They’ll never know. and Jerry the number of times the trucks to be going through there and leave see.

1:02:35 It’s going to be insane, but we all know that that’s it always is insane. We see her feet. So that’s that’s right there that option b. Doesn’t solve any problems. It doesn’t make life any better for our parents. So. That’s that’s my opinion. That’s the traffic. studies opinion that would consensus

1:03:06 so that’s and I asked you a question because I pressed Andrew. I feel like Kristen about the backing up from attorney around was going to be any different and you see the back and forth and everything about option b and he said that would be the same so well the same because they’re not going to just drive in back up those straight out. They got to come in and come around and make one eat. And then back and the other thing and so if you’ve got a citizen with a trailer on the back of his pickup truck. it’s going to look like launch day down but You know, we rejected and and one guy. Who doesn’t know how to back up a couple trailer that I have some mercy of the scale

1:03:52 of it. For 15 Point what you’re saying is that it will be different in Anderson. It wouldn’t yes his point is that so because you have to make that 180 So when the commercial trucks come in? So you’re not this is the pit itself. So the commercial trucks come in. And go around and come like this and then back up. These guys are just pulling up in the backing up so it if you’ve ever accidentally go to down the RAM and benefit every watched it. Yeah, you can understand so hard the hard thing is that when you pull around that corner and your trailers all the way turns it makes it a little bit harder to get that trailer Street and then back into

1:04:37 Attention any of those it’s mostly people in their SUVs. It’s not too many residential prayers. But I’m not saying it but a lot of them the same.

1:04:52 Well, it is everybody’s going to happen make that big turn. and as I say unless somebody sit down there with a ticker and counts the cars. No, I don’t idle Terrace is ever going to know if it was a big day or a small day for commercial traffic? Because they’re going to be gone up to the top of the hill. And unless they come out and stand in the street. They won’t be able to see which way they turn and they’re not going to notice that the traffic’s having extra heavy today because it’s just not that many commercials Vehicles compared to the citizen vehicles that uses every now. That’s based on a one month traffic study. Obviously, there is might be a seasonal variation

1:05:37 of some sort, but that’s that’s my position successful. It’s a solution and searching for And I I stated to the people from Ronald Harris. I understand. That the person whose idea this option b was the license. when he saw the breakdown of vehicles daily coming into the into the dump is well, that’s nonsense. And why would we do that? So that’s that’s what I said. It’s obviously will will build whatever you want to know. That’s your decision, but the a lot easier

1:06:23 to build up tonight you want to come because there’s a lot more room to deal with buildings and stock up there. There’s going to get seriously restricted, but for space that we’ve been trucks coming in around the back we’re going to use all that stays up there to bring that down and there’s no actually I live, you know housing in weight. Not that we can’t do this you guys let’s face you say well because we’re gonna yeah the traffic a whole big Bandit traffic and bringing around in the circle now, that’s all real estate that was going to be occupied by the employees. Um break room and you know shelter and the scale house. And so that’s not going to be available anymore.

1:07:08 So we’re gonna if all right if we can figure out a place to put it it’s just not going to be it’s easier as good and the skill has more manageable under Aid than b because of this term absolutely because because K or whomever is in the scale house. Can see the vehicles coming? If they’re coming in when Beacon Street she’s going to be seeing him on television and talking to him. Yeah on an internet or something and as opposed to that comes up. Okay, but to the switch they drive ahead go on the scale back up. Don’t leave. If they have to come in and turn around and then back into stuff, okay won’t know how many people accused he won’t know how many people are coming. She

1:07:56 won’t know if this it maybe she needs to pay attention to somebody’s coming with a big trailer. Yeah, that’s all of that. She won’t be able to see as opposed. Just looking Crossing, you know, but once we vote whichever way the world goes you think that the designer will be able to oh absolutely we can build it. Would mean by something different maybe we won’t be as as. Difficult as well. You know, there’s no so you’re the whole point is that by adding you’re taking away real estate by putting a road this, you know commercial access line.

1:08:39 So either there’s an extra Road or there’s a room for the buildings. I mean there will be going to Ability. There’s not going to be a properly that I work as smooth. Yeah, it’s gonna be that’s gonna be a little bit I just need but we can do it. What can you use other space that’s that’s not character. There is no no when you get to the quarter of the pit. Just beyond there that’s cap. So we’ve got that that area is what we got. So let’s I think it’s time to take our vote. What we’ll do is we can’t say I’ve over AI will be in the same motion. So why don’t we entertain yourself a better thing? We’ll go for a or not. It passes

1:09:26 and passes. It doesn’t pass when the commotion to vote for being is that sound like a reasonable way to do it. Yes. Okay, so Should I usually the chair doesn’t make the motion but it’s not sounds like for a I can make the motion and second. You don’t have to vote for your motion. So, thanks. Emotion to accept option A there’s transfer station. So let’s Joanna Miller actually needs a second you guys also. Oh, yeah, so miss Joanna Name, what is it? True? I’ve never you miscellaneously not a big

1:10:13 doctor in paper.

1:10:17 okay, so that failed so we need emotion to make a motion to improve the Process of that someone is like your favorite just join Miller in favor.

1:10:33 Okay, so we will now go to the architect in the planning Bowl. Yeah, so we’ll go back to the city transfer station facility committee. Let them know what the design you know, the outcome is we’re bringing the architect in we’ll start to look at the scale house the the scale house the employee break room. We’ll need to talk about the what we call the transaction who out in the residential trash area. No matter what that doesn’t that design never changed that so that’s and then the swap shop is the other piece we are intense so we’ll bring him and we’ll talk about all the stuff. I mean, he’s pretty ready to go with the scale hoping with the swap shop who’s been a lot of work on that. We have pretty

1:11:18 much design which is up to make sure that’s all you know work for the you know, the facility committee stuff like that. We’ll take a look and obviously budget it’s a big piece of this. So we’ll talk to Dana. I don’t know if it’s gonna be tomorrow on this week. Early next week and get this going. So I’ll send out an email. I’ll probably send it up tomorrow and try to arrange our next meeting. We had a meeting the person the third Wednesday of the month at one now the transition system. Is that available? Yes, but a lot of public people in town work is absolutely so that time. Yes, that is the best time back that committee that I mean the subcommittee. Yeah the submission so when

1:12:04 I went to your office and got a notice for tonight’s meeting. I was told that it couldn’t be to like the gene so that the subcommittee could be here. That’s not correct. So the subcommittee is just you know makes a recommendation to this Rising. We were hoping to hear them, but I guess it’s a move point now, it’s just that. There’s an issue with communication to the public. And I think it’s really unfair when there are so many people that are hanging on it. They care about it. And can’t be part of it. So I was doesn’t make sense. So we communicate through the public for open meeting through meeting postings. Yeah, I have

1:12:49 one. Okay, and it said that the meeting included the subcommitted there. There’s there’s nothing on the agenda that I go it was like and then got it from the office. The only thing that changed was um 815 to 8 o’clock. And the change in time was was do we posted but we you know, all the meeting while every meetings successful everybody.

1:13:16 The public participated so the issue with that. I understand what you remember that. We’re not going to be more everybody else. We’re not going to be shouting out from the audience anymore. So why not? Because that’s not how the meeting is run out. Right, we run ratings without right? It’s it’s running in the afternoon. So you yes, I do you we got it. We got to stop talking up in the audience. Okay. All right. Are you gonna say good? We’re not going to talk in the audience anymore. Thank you. All right. So so I do have so with you know, we move forward with that piece. I have

1:14:04 a couple other pieces that are connected to the the transfer station projects. We need to improve an amendment to the owner’s project manager. This amendment will allow the project manager to review the you know, we do the design. So it’s a duplication of some work that he’s already. Completed the old design he needs to be part of this project. We need to review the new design. So we need to improve of an amendment to the owner’s project manager. So do you have better? So yes, I have amendment. I just need you guys to make a motion girl who probably do you have it? But do we have it you want a sense? We don’t have it. That’s why I consider to you then. So approved until

1:14:51 our next meeting we can do it. We do it our next I mean the transmission. Oh, yeah. So yeah, just good to read them. That’s fine. So obviously it’s you know, it’s all approved by Town Council and stuff like that. and then I also have a A camera contract with Signet. So this is for cameras for the transfer station. This covers cameras up at the at the pit area the recycling area. So there’s two different polls up there one for the residential trash and when we’re all the recycling while cameras on both those and went up front to look at the activity the camera people go into the scale house. It also goes in three station. We have a lot of after hours activity. We’re dealing with some machines up there with kind of Carson those issues. We’re trying to prevent only and this

1:15:38 is one of the ways to do that with well, it’ll be like with a fire was and things like that. No so we can talk about that so we can add a camera that’s not part of this contract. We can add a camera to the water tower and that would cover the yard waste area but that’s not part of this school in this console. So, is there a reason for that? Yeah. So when we looked at that it wasn’t wasn’t coming under the 45,000 appropriate towards cameras what we do for the Time we can add additional money for cameras that you would like and we can include the yard waste area with the camera on the Water Tower with that thing. We also the responsibility of the Board of Health would be the cost of it. Yes.

1:16:23 Yep, and where’s the money coming from? So this so we had allocated 45,000 for cameras this Keen amount of the waste revolved in account. This estimate or this contract is 42,000,128.50. And if we had somebody come back later on because of the installation went across more. So obviously you can add cameras we can still use Signet to do that work. But yeah, there’s a cost per camera. And depending on so since you went with option b, you’re gonna need to take a look at when the scale is placed. We’ll have the camera people take a look at that design and try to figure out how they’re going to see the vehicle traffic behind the clms. So we approve this tonight one of the installation occurred as soon as possible. So it

1:17:09 wouldn’t be waiting to see where the scale was. That’s correctly read. Yeah moved over to wherever right now. We’re gonna put the camera right on top. So you’re looking down. It would be pretty close to where that it’s gonna be where that scale is gonna sit there’s all gonna be a camera looking down the back where the trash trailers are to take over there as well. It won’t be able to see what people are queuing on greens. No, it’s not it might be able to see some of it but it’s probably not gonna be the camera angles that the scale house is going to need. So the cameras we set up for now and then we’ll be moved later. Yeah, or we might need to add more. We have a motion to improve that I’m not sure. Why don’t we do a piecemeal is it because we need the cameras that’s lost right away. Yeah, and that’s no way. Yeah. We having almost on a daily basis right now.

1:17:57 So we had a window smash the other day and we’re gonna some oil that was still the other day. Obviously, we had a suspicious fire that the fire chief meaning to be suspicious in their you know,

1:18:10 So let’s do a motion to approve the camera contract. I mean commotion for the camera contracts. Second miscellaneously in favor of just doing moment in favor Dr. Dog in there. And then we’ll do European one that yes, awesome that out to everybody.

1:18:33 the waste and All right, so waistbands.

1:18:42 So we follow the state of Massachusetts with waistbands. We have certain items. So

1:19:20 Waistbands currently the state has waistbands under national law monitors TVs any recyclable items so last little plastic metal mixed metals and non-perishmental stuff like that construction materials. So there is a limit on amount of instruction materials that can be thrown away. The limit is six cubic yards. And then we have new two new items that are gonna be bands starting November first. Those are textiles So currently recycle all the textiles and that can be anything from clothing to bed sheets to rags and stuff like that. We have a large recycling area. I think we have a total of six containers currently. I think we did an approximately $45,000 tons or 45,000

1:20:07 pounds last year. Would you get paid for that material? So that’s not something that we need to you know, obviously you need to look to make sure that these loans do not contain this material but we have a way for them to get rid of the other item that’s going to be banned is also going to be mattresses. We currently recycle mattresses. We’ve been recycling mattresses since 2018 obvious state is very strict about this so the only mattresses and that includes box springs that can be thrown away or what’s continent considered contaminated mattresses. So mattresses that contain bed bugs or a highly soiled soaking wet dirty, you know stuff like that, but the only way they can actually throw away in the face is that the scale house has to

1:20:53 Record the number of mattresses that are thrown away on a daily basis that are containing so ideally everything is, you know brought to the back. Also, the individual that is modern the pit and the load inspector. He has to be paying attention to take take the look and make sure they’re are no band items. Some of the other band items out. There are asphalt written concrete is another band item. We don’t take those at all on our facility brush. We do take that out of facility. We already Syria, but those items cannot be thrown away. And what’s called Solid Waste trash. Um, the board does need to come up with the part of agree to a policy that if you have individuals that come into the facility that are not account holders and we catch them disposing of bay materials

1:21:40 or a non account holder commercial individual the first time you get a warning. The second time you’re banned from doing material away at the facility. For account holders will give them a little bit more leniency. Second time we catch them with band items going in the trash being dispose them. They get a written warning. The third time they are issued over, you know, their their account is closed and they’re no longer allowed to use that this works. Well for a certain time of 10. No, that’s it over. How do we communicate that to the so for your account holders? We would send the policy out. So we mailed out the list of all the waistbands. So

1:22:27 all the account holders, so they know exactly what’s current on the Massachusetts. Right and what’s starting, you know, we already have it in place because we recycle the textiles and the mattresses, but they you know, the state has made it very clear that come November first the textiles and mattresses can no longer go in the trash at all. We have communicated that out all the economical there’s currently they didn’t they’re not aware of the the policy so we would have to make note of each policy as far as commercial. Non-account holders, you would have to post a sign or you know, we’d have to have so when you when the load inspector finds a commercial non-account holder person, they would have to hand them their warning. You know, something says hey,

1:23:12 these are always fans. They haven’t what they’re currently you need to comply with these we can’t take greater than you know, five cute yards of construction demolition material. Please remember this, you know before you come back the second time for the non-commercial guys is we can no longer don’t care. can ask another question about mattresses so if someone has a mattress what did they do with it? So that’s 20 so it’s 25 dollars. Yeah to be recycled. Yeah, so you can pay to do it. Yep. So you have to pay the recycler. So using everybody wedding down the mattresses now, so we use a company to help you Tech. They break the mattresses down. They pull off all the fabric that’s recycled as a textile. They pull out the metal that’s recycled as the metal the wood is recyclable, as you know, whatever and

1:24:00 that’s why only a solo mattress can go away just nobody wants to touch the correct nobody and when it first came out the state the state said we do not want bed bugs. It was bed bugs was the issue and so they’ve kind of relaxed a little bit more not relaxing but address like soiled, you know, damn ashes as well. So those can be thrown. Yeah, but they just have to be we have to make written notification of the numbers that we throw out. Thank you. What does that do? So we have to so we always are making written notification of what we’re keeping the log of how much material is thrown out, you know trailers. What was it, you know kind of in those trailers, but you don’t have to take an address, right? No, we don’t have to take an address. No.

1:24:47 It’s do you have a policy written up already that we can go? I do not so it’s just about to. Algories, yep you to create a policy, correct? So yeah, and the policy would be for non-accounters. It’s the two the second you know, first time is the one in the second time is the band for the account holders. The second time is the warning that three times. Is that what the Commonwealth is doing now, they don’t have one they know so if we had another facility a lot of times you just kicked out really they probably asking not to come back. Okay, so I think that’s reasonable. Yeah, do you think the staff will be comfortable? You know, I mean, I think it’s challenging to have people they see every day and people fall in when we have a change of policy with. Yeah, so obviously their biggest

1:25:35 answer, you know. Try not to argue the person you had a field. These are the reasons why he was you know warning, you know, are you in a town over now, you know visual one was it a warnings will be written up, you know, they just have to hand it just say so but if they have any difficulty can they have something on the bottom of it that says if you have any questions, please call Andrew. Yeah, they always have that, you know, you get checking the scale house, you know, if you want to talk to somebody you’re gonna talk to me. So, yeah, and so we need a motion to authorize Andrew to create stated policy. Why would we do that? Why doesn’t just created and then we go on Um, we can do that. There’s nothing to do this point of information right now. So you’re

1:26:20 pregnant sure. Thank you. And so then the director’s report you. Covid-19 update so honestly covid is still is decreased drastically. We still have some cases in town and we will continue to have cases in town. We are currently average daily incident rate of 10.8. So this picked up slightly higher than the week before we’re still doing weekly reports to give the community idea of what’s you know, what’s going on in our community? The week before was 10.1. So technically that is a higher level a total of 117,725 total tests in the last 14 days. 586 tests were taken that’s PCR

1:27:07 tests. So it didn’t test aren’t recorded. Most people are taking an institution test. So quick tests we call home test at this point just so everybody’s aware. The only way we consider a home test of probable. It’s not a PCR the only way I can record that as a probable case. Is that it was verified by a doctor or somebody in the health department essentially. So if you’re taking a rapid tests at the doctor’s office, they will push that through the system the systems called even and they’ll call that a problem. We don’t get a lot of probable cases. Most of the antigen tests are going to take them home. The percent positivity for the last 14 days is five more five point four six percent.

1:27:53 That’s also lower than the percent positively before. These are pretty these are very low numbers at this point. So we are trending really well obviously as the Google weather we all start to go back inside. This is generally the time that we start to see our case number rise. We are highly vaccinating community and so we should be very well. Would you recommend that everybody who shot? Australia did have a pretty severe flu season obviously our blue shots are vaccine is based on what they see down south and that’s how they make the vaccine and Metabolism yesterday. So we do recommend we also recommend that people can see wrong with boosters man has impression. Yeah, how accurate

1:28:40 can this 10.8 be when you say that at home test. I mean, I just correct. It’s only exactly there’s information that I have and so that I can only push out and that’s why it’s very clear. This is the number of cases that we have for pcrs and people need to understand that man. I’m sure that Any one of us sitting here have heard of people. Oh, yeah that are infected right now, correct. And I hear I’ve heard of more people the last few weeks than a month ago, right? And so we’re trying to give up a Baseline. Information to the public but yes, you have to understand that the majority of people are using at home antigen tests. And I think this is not good. Yeah, I think this you know, the schools are noticing

1:29:26 it also. But you know, we’re shifting from that pandemic into an epidemic. this is you know here to say it’s gonna be no another virus like the flu and it is so confusing that that Colin ask and I’ve had a really hard time articulating this you did a really nice job and I hope I can report that back better next time because it’s very confusing to have you know, yeah this kind of terminology and much testing and there is still isolation under the state under the CDC, but the federal guidelines so we do test positive. So you have if you’re fully vaccinated it’s five days of isolation from the theater the

1:30:12 test. After day five as long as you’re not as long as your symptoms are improving that’s five days of mass and lots of Wellness.

1:30:23 Reds Pond, we’ve had a report of cyanobacteria and red Pond we put a notification up at Reds Bond. So obviously Santa bacteria can be a different toxin. It can be harmful people and dogs. So we didn’t put a caution up at Reds Pond for a while. We had once it cleared up a little bit or pretty much cleared up. We had the state come back. They tested we need to clear tests for us to remove the caution. We will continue to monitor the area we had the tech State come out. We had two clear tests. We can move the sign depending on whether it might come back. So if we see a bloom again if we see, you know saying the bacteria, it’s

1:31:08 a stringy algae. There’s a way to test for just like manually and stuff like that. We will post these cons back up and then once it clears we can have a state come back out depending around tested. So the other parts have been tested so we have an individual in town that does a lot of work on the cape. He’s very familiar with saying that bacteria and he alerted us or called us and said hey, you should probably check out Red’s Bond. We haven’t gotten any phone calls about other poems in the area right now. But this is a town. You know, I don’t know actually was there but many years ago before you were in town. Where is fun was concerned. And I don’t know what with a lot of growth and I don’t

1:31:55 know it was my response public or credit. Don’t belong to them. Well divorce the time. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, we haven’t received any reports of you know, I don’t frequency but it’s Your morning swims not yeah, you know we did notice, you know the hours or somebody could call us what we all be doing to look at it. We do believe in the assign a bacteria. No, we did test it. You know, the test does show there’s some sign of bacteria in there, but that was a level that came back as a negative result. And then we had a second I think at least one of the main concern was that there was so much it was strangling them wildlife in there. No, so I don’t think it

1:32:42 was a young. And can obviously don’t imagine it was a bacteria. That was normal. The recommendation on the sign is do not swim do not swallow the water keep animals away rinse off after contact with the water. So the model boat racing. Yeah the kept going. Yep. So that continued we just have to make sure they’re you know, they were aware of it. They need to wash their hands after they picked up the boats or had contact nobody swims in response. Yeah noise. And they couldn’t even in touch the bottom. Oh, let’s yeah, it’s showered areas and Um gluconics we have high-dose blue clinic today. We did a hundred doses. So that was a totally sold-out food Clinic. We have an employee Clinic that’s on October 12th. And that’s

1:33:30 90% sold out this time. We generally see a hundred percent sold out priority links for employees and high-dose once we’re done with the employees. I mean that will be it. There’s a chance that we’ll do some other people. That’s all we’re playing at this time. And that’s it for thank you. Okay, so the final part of the meeting is public comment period but we’ve already talked about the printerestation so no discussion about that tonight. Is there anything else that anybody wants to bring up? Yeah, I’d like to talk about the revolving one. Okay wait to be recognized so

1:34:10 Go ahead. Well, we have two letters one granuary 5th.

1:34:20 And they both basically addressed the revolving from dedicated commercial races disposal fiscal year 2013. It’s better for the farm by the board of the Department of sequences include commercial proposals.

1:34:38 The first one under January assistance the capitalists said revolves and galaxies.

1:34:46 It’s important. What are March 11 permanently thousand dollars the task to size and the one that 485,

1:34:57 Question is one of the Board of Health. Both changed that number by 700,000 now. So I make the recommendation to the select and Border involvement account. But yes, it was overflow. There’s no more. That’s correct. So yeah, that’s right without their Yep. They’re not that’s great. Yeah the second thing how are you playing? Everybody wonders down the volume? Yes, but are you

1:35:30 And reimburse the wrong one employee 5000. So the revolving account is pulled money that goes into the revolving counties from commercial crack. So all commercial crash that has laid at the presentation goes into volume down. So after you dollars now so so last last news. All right.

1:35:58 You might have an outlet in inflow of $700. That’s right now 485,000. Yep. We’re the envelope on the employee 85,000. So as I sent you today, we have a total of 1,986,000. I sent this to you today when this afternoon to clock actually knows about four. Oh that I sent you this information. So yeah as August 31st 2022. We have a total of 1,986,779 the expenditures for the period like first you August 31st for 51,176. So

1:36:44 obviously for the trash disposal the town has to deal with all of trash this world curbside everything that comes into the transportation and the commercial waste. we only have we only budget because we’re a level funded a total of

1:37:09 725,000 and change So what I’ve budgeted for does not account for the Total Disposal for trash I was so the revolving fund covers the additional amount. When I said, you know any good point in time because everyone should know generally how that doesn’t a worst case scenario that Waste Management building that I haven’t got here. All right now no, no, that’s not correct. Well, however, we’ve always been working. So they’re gone, but I can expand so the revolving fun. I’m allowed to expand

1:37:56 and a single year the total amount allocated under the request. And that can cover pay for trash disposal pay for vehicles the language let him speak. The language is not say that. verify the commercial trash and save you

1:38:22 So the letter from August 11th, we put in 22 and we’re gonna March 11 2027. The letter says will be for the cost of solways disposal. Yeah. So always was supposed to facility upgrades and then new roller. I don’t see that. Well, it’s right in the letter from Mark 11 points.

1:38:49 You’re all right. But so the problem is is that my budget that the transfer station the waste department budget. Is not cover the full disposal cost for all the time. So they developed a waste revolving account. I don’t know 15 20 years ago when they started that issues with the ups and downs of waste disposal. When I wrote that letter that first letter that was back in September October. When I was budgeting for this year, they were trying to get us to know do our budget too early. I had to essentially try to estimate what I was in the disposal this year.

1:39:35 By the time I got to March my numbers were way up. And so I had to use I expected a total of

1:39:54 121,290

1:40:00 121,000 No, 1 million 212,973 for Waste Disposal with Waste Management last fiscal year. So in each year, my tonnage cost goes out. Well from 97 38 to 11345. It’s a pretty large change and I have to account for them 10% Yeah, see so it how many times did I dispose of last year? I just did not.

1:40:33 We could like I don’t want to do this debate back and forth with you. I need to we need to cover the costs of disorder. Why are you ask the town? I would love to ask when the total amount, but the Thomas continue to tell us level 1 level 1 the only way I can cover the classes with revolving. And that’s why I was developed. It’s developed to cover these costs no matter what did you did you develop the law? I understand that. Yeah, accounting behind the broader evolving them. The revolving account was created to deal with the fluctuation. Correct? No, we’re probably gonna do not specifically you’re

1:41:19 Here, we’re always wondering all of our understand but this is the waste the revolving account. This this I’m gonna count on Friday is when I do overall. I think I think we’re not getting you anywhere with this right now. So I think it’s time to move on. So the idea with the wasted all right now is it covers the cost of this world? We have made sure that we have ample amount of money to cover the cost of this world. We don’t want to be short. And that’s where we come here very much and I think we’re very fortunate to have a daughter or service. We’re very lucky that he’s absolutely no idea we service and thousand homes every week. I think that based on

1:42:05 that and we can’t do it. In other way except that we’ve all been friends. I think our citizens should appreciate it. No, no you there’s another okay the money it’s time to move on. There’s another public comment and Jack go ahead. Good evening, everybody. I’m very disappointed. I can’t brush my teeth tomorrow morning in Red’s Pond. I got to tell you.

1:42:42 Every old Marblehead I would tell you that you got a brush your teeth and respond but decided bacteria is nice and stream. It doesn’t drop. But more the point that I wanted to bring up and it touches on a lot of different conversations that have been had tonight about volume about funding is that I’m a regular participant up at the dump and or the transfer station and back in the day there used to be somebody that would sit at the gate and check to make sure that people had their stickers on their cars and it’s a well-known secret that nobody is up there policing stickers and to the point where over the over the past couple of months on more

1:43:28 than one occasion. I’ve seen cars up there that are clearly from from outside of Marblehead based upon the various stickers that they have on their vehicles that they’re coming in from out of town and and using our facilities and maybe you know, maybe you could put one one person on overtime. There for a Saturday and and take a sample count but you know even without enforcement but I I think it’s pretty obvious that you know, we’re pretty short staffed up there to begin with and and on a busy day. Everybody’s got their hands full and so I would just put that sort of put that in the back of your minds for for consideration on the next budget season, especially at a time where we could

1:44:16 use all the revenue that we could get and and be sure that the you know that our facility is being used only by the residents of Marblehead. Really notice I agree with you. Thank you, Jack. Okay, any other public comments? No, then let’s have a motion to return someone checking it all there. Okay, there’s nothing so long as me but we started and a half hour.