Board of Health: January 10, 2023

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0:01 You the library the basement. I will call the meeting of January 10th to order 7:30. Oh, yeah, so let’s start by miscellaneously present. It’s Joanna. Okay president last year. We’re having the meetings. We can talk quietly, please.

0:33 Um first item is to include the minutes of December 12th. I think so. Is there a second I second right? Well there in favor. I’m sorry, but just a favor doctor in favor. All right, Andrew, let’s do the transition. I train station update pretty quick. The drawings have been uploaded. So the dry season guys saw all those renderings have enough wood into the website. The architect Winter Street architect is working on the schedule. We had a quick meeting today just to talk about things. We hope to have the schedule back. I’m hoping next week and then I can bring that back to the full facility committee and we can discuss the schedule. What’s the schedules approve? Then the drawings will have to be approved the final drawings and

1:21 then all the for me. So we’re really looking for that several schedule to give us that timeline. Are you going to convene the yeah, yep, so I will convene the subcommittee once we have that schedule and we have something to talk. Good. And yeah, like I said, you know once we have the schedule we’ll get into final Brian’s permitting and go from that. so moving along. Yep. That’s it. That’s it. That’s it. All right. Do you have a mental task force that yeah, it’s a metal Hostess towards you know, yes. Yes.

1:57 Um, yes, our last meeting was several weeks ago in our next meeting is scheduled for January 30th. We had hoped to have it sooner but there were lots of challenges to getting that on the books in January at our last meeting. We discussed the opportunity to request funding from the arpa allocation that’s genetic able to the Board of Health for supporting mental health in our community and we did discuss four areas that we outlined as areas of me to pursue our goals for the task force. Um to begin that request and certainly I think this is indement. We don’t have specific dollars,

2:44 but we’re looking potentially to ask for $10,000 for programming at the high school. We have, you know done lots of programming at the high school and have done speaker programs where we haven’t needed a budget so it would be really wonderful to find some renowned speakers that can come and speak in that venue to those that demographic. We also were talking at the COA. They do some outstanding programming and are able to get a great attendance to come and participate other last event was attended by a hundred seniors and streamed by a hundred and thirty people and we haven’t had that kind of response in our younger population. So we’re still looking to find that sweet spot where we can engage that

3:32 population and have them attend and then get feedback to find out really what works what what we can do to serve them best. We’re hoping to potentially ask for two thousand dollars to support our Marblehead cares website.

3:50 It’s been built for a year over a year and maintained by myself and it’s not an area of strength for me and we’d love to have someone we could just shoot things off to as we do for some of the Town websites that have it updated continuously. We’re not that number. Well, that is a great question that we I think in the past when I worked on the PCO, they hired someone to do the PCO website and that was a number that I recall recall. I was actually thinking of speaking with Peter who helped us build the website and he did it for no charge and seeing if I could find out what he would recommend would be to have someone on call. So just weekly send a few updates to

4:35 keep the website more more time more timely updated. So I think that number maybe high but if we’re looking at not just for right now if we can look at maybe fun that going forward for the next few years. I think that would be helpful until maybe we have someone on the test course who feels really comfortable and Talented in that area Excuse me. Yes. I don’t think 2000 is too high at all and girls who spells is looking for someone up to 5,000. Is that right? So it has over a competition? Okay. Well, maybe we find someone we could you know, find someone to say babies are really important initiatives. Maybe you want to do both right? Perfect. I think that would be ideal and it’s definitely an area of development for our room there to I

5:23 think it’s to China. Okay. Thank you so much Helene. I appreciate that. And yeah, I wasn’t I was on the PCO remember like really eight years ago or something long time ago. So things have changed that we also had a really Lively conversation about branding the Marblehead cares initiative. We want to maybe get a pop-up tent. This is what she King suggested a banner brochures and handouts and his suggestion kind of similar to what’s done at the task force against discrimination to maybe get out into the community where we can talk to people and maybe like the farmers market the Christmas walk some summer fairs and just have handouts let people know what resources are

6:09 available. So when people that know that these tools and resources are available, hopefully more people can prevent other outcomes. We also talked about the Nan program at the MHS, which is a reprogram that we’ve been trying to schedule at the high school and also working with Nanny to get some free programming in there and we’re very happy for I just was noting that looks like our principal is going to be serving as a superintendent in a different community and those are such big shoes to fill so we’ll have to see with respect to the task force getting another member to sit on our task force and we are actually we had a really nice conversation about engaging potentially

6:55 new members specifically Mark Levon who’s served on some of our panels and it’s interested in participating in the past person. He’s done a lot of work with that. I think Marblehead cares initiative in the past and could bring a lot of wisdom to the task force as well as Susan stelk who works with the Marvel female hum? Society and has a background in education and social work and I think could be a great addition to the task force. So what’s your name? What’s Susan stelk stelk? Thank you. And with respect to that, I’m holding meetings with each member of our task force prior to our next meeting just to set expectations find

7:42 out where people are and get their insights so we can maybe set a very robust agenda and goal setting going forward. So what’s the bottom line on the request? So right now we have 16,000?

7:59 And I think it would be smaller allocations early on but that would be kind of what we spoke about. So for so far going into a 2023 it might go up because the website yeah, I was thinking it would go down but it may go exactly and we have 55 left over since the last yeah, it’s great. Okay. Well, it sounds like you’re also really great start with this.

8:23 I’d like to just make a comment. I was with the district attorney Paul Tucker at a meeting today. And he was saying that he is he has mental health high on his agenda, but everything that he’s doing I really think that that it’s important that everyone understands that coming right from The Das office he’s going to visit all 34 cities and towns. It’s gonna see the superintendent. He’s gonna see the Town Administrator or whatever their different towns called their Town Administrator, and I think he’s Going to do a super job. He’s only been an office for seven days. And I think he’s already hit the ground running.

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9:13 any other comments about the mental health and I think I think just that comment made me think recently. I was trained on Mental Health First Aid through my company and art might company that I worked for is training individuals so that we have people boots on the ground to understand what an event could look like and how to respond appropriately to help people access resources and both that they need and I was thinking it could be something that we could talk about. You know, I work for a big Corporation and I was really impressed that they’re investing in this Outreach into the The colleagues and so that people can look out for one another and I was thinking it might be something to look into having in the town that’s 100 first day

10:00 taught. It’s a really solid curriculum and can really improve outcomes for situation. You might be interested in having him come to a meeting, you know.

10:11 the state district attorney political because he has a lot of it what he presents it today was a lot of insight about the younger generation and also about people who’ve been incarcerated and how to work with them and bring them into the community and it was screen program Thank you Colleen. Hello. I’ll get an invitation pin for one of our community meetings. I hope that he’s available. We’ll give him some days. Yes, great and again further discussions about the mental health perceived training too. That’s a great idea. Yes. No, if you really enjoy the one from work we can talk about who they were that put it on and thanks see the premier and something really awesome. I think they can do it virtually. We did it virtually and it would mean did you like it? Really I did. I mean I

10:58 you know, it could be better live and there may be someone more local that would this person was out of Pittsburgh area, right? But I think I think that would be yeah. I think had some training so I had to go back and see who came in last time. Yeah, we can take a look at that. Thanks.

11:18 Thank you two people. Okay, I don’t control it. So the controls itself to who’s starting and I just said don’t get it that moment. Let’s have the directors report please right directions report. So this is the last week of the curbside Christmas tree collection. That’s done by the highway department. So make sure to get your Christmas trees out and yes, it is done by the highway department. So if your trees in the city there for a little bit you can give them a call and we’ll come by and swing by and pick that up 2023 stickers are now out resident stickers are required and we ask that all stickers go on the cars. So we always get requests about that. I have my sticker but it needs to be on the vehicle. That’s the only way we can really check that your sticker besides asking me directly but stickers are

12:04 being sold both at the taxes collectors office here in this building upstairs and then go facility at the church station, so For stickers eighty dollars second sticker is 25 dollars. You need a copy of your registration to the buyers. We are working on a household has a waste we have been working with the company ACV. They’re not so sure they’re going to continue with their home collection. So we’re having conversations with them and potentially other customers how we’re gonna you know, get household hazardous waste picked up from homes or if we’re gonna go back to our olds collection of the transfer station what we’re trying to work through that there’s a lot of need across the state and there’s not a lot of vendors. So it’s very hard to get vendors to come in the ACV program

12:51 where we’re going to the homes work really? Well, we’re able to do that four times a year. We thought it works great, but we’re not so sure we’re gonna be able to continue that so I’ll have more about that soon annual reports the last EP in town report, sir do at the end of the month. So I will start to hand out. Obviously, we’ll be putting together the town report getting that out. And once that’s complete all make sure that gets to you guys to review and make any changes. That’s covid. Obviously. We’re still dealing with covid flu. RSV RSV is on the downturn. We are still seeing some covid cases and obviously some food cases with flu. We do get reports of flu cases, but you have to be going to your doctor’s office. Your doctor’s

13:38 office has to be considered a sentinel site. They’re sending tests swabs into the state and then we get records of that. Obviously the state does keep records of who’s getting it. But that’s how we figure out who hasn’t the community stuff like that. We don’t have exact numbers for that. I’m covid. We’re a little bit different than the rest of the state the Northeast so up around this area is slightly better than the rest of the state. We were talking to our happy the other day we’re looking like we have a slight downturn and we’re really basing all this information off a racer at this point. We do get PCR tests coming in. We don’t get a lot most people at this point are using answers tests. We just did receive another round of antigen chests from the state. These are set to expire in June. But please remember all the at-home tests that you have.

14:26 You can go online take a look at the lot number and that can tell you if the expiration date has changed or what it is now, they’re not sure if the ones from January going to be pushed out further or if they want to start to have everybody use the new ones. I’m going to be expired in June but we have approximately 25,000 of those. And so again, we will be pushing those out again through the community. We often do that through the churches the restaurants business owners and we have piles of them up at our office and then at the tax collectors, you just walk into the building gravel and we don’t limit the number that you take we the more people to test the better. That’s the school department get any. Yeah, so there’s some Sentinel during the school break. You can

15:11 also go online and sign up for have some sent home through the federal government at this point and yes test go home and they have another school department as well. So you’re saying as far as covid that we didn’t see enough take over the holiday. We did not we saw a little bit of an uptick, but you know, definitely not what we saw last year. So that that was a huge difference. Obviously, if you look at the numbers this year compared to last year. It’s huge. Obviously, we’ve got very high vaccination rate. We want to encourage everybody to continue to get the booster and remember to stay home here and obviously test if you think you have covider if you’ve been exposed and the ways water results are more Regional. Yeah, the way solar results are more Regional. So yes, we’re looking at Wastewater coming from sale on Peabody here into SSD self-essing.

15:57 So which district so is pulled together and so it gives us a good idea for the area. It doesn’t give us the exact numbers for model that I mean. And that’s what we get for the directive report. Okay. Great. What this is the Student Business first. I mean it’s real I spoke to a child when he called this afternoon and I told him that I read something that I thought would be interesting for our board. We may want to take take it up. It’s about a anti-tobacco campaign. And it is so well written that I’m going to read it instead of paraphrasing it it’s short and I’m not reading every bit of it. But and what I’m going to say is a quote and it’s from the American line

16:44 Association. With the new approaching with the New Year approaching the American Lung Association is a encouraging the 11.1% of Massachusetts residents who smoke to resolve to quit using tobacco in 2023. Now I’m going to start from a moment because that’s 11.1% of the population of Massachusetts. And we’re quite low. I think it’s a I think that’s terrific. But as they’re saying and I agree with them, it could be better. And tobacco use is the leading cause of preventable death and disease in Massachusetts killing 9300 people each year 9,300. Quitting smoking is routinely listed as one of the top New Year’s resolutions and the American Lung Association

17:30 lost launched a tobacco-free 23 campaign to help smoke is become former smokers next year. So they’re giving people a year and while quitting smoking is extremely difficult. It is possible. In fact, it typically takes a person 8 to 10 attempts to quit smoking for good which is why we call it a journey. Ashley carrier executive director of the American Lung Association set aside from the Myriad of health benefits of going tobacco-free many former smokers find that they have more money. A pack a day smoker could save over $4,000 a year. But long Advocates do not just want smokers to start buying and using combustible cigarettes. They

18:17 also encourage people to avoid vaping nicotine by an e-cigarettes as well switching to e-cigarettes does not mean quitting quitting means ending your addiction to nicotine. then they give the address of the one Association going help tobacco, Quit Line and maybe I should I’ll be better. The tobacco Quit Line is 1-800 l u n g USA. So I would like our boy to maybe put this on the agenda for next time that maybe we would like to support this. And maybe bring it in into the community that we have. adopt this for the year So do you mind putting on the agenda for next month?

19:06 Does it break down 11% of the by age is the most successful version? I’m sure we could find that out. But I read just about every single word that was in this piece. You want this? Yeah, and you can cite the article with minutes. So Helen, then I ask in the past. With respect to smoking cessation and this kind of a campaign. Have we? Proceeded to support these kind of campaigns is there some initiatives that we could build here in Marblehead to help? For those people that are interested in I think it would be something that we would discuss we could we could have some program we could talk about the table we could speak to. The high school principal and see what he can do in school

19:53 middle school. I’m sorry to say. Yeah principal and I think maybe Senior Center, I’m sure. Lots of places that we could have conversation and maybe we could have I can picture it one of those old Red Cross gold rings when people raise money that maybe we could see how we’re going with the 11% People are checking it. I don’t know. Yeah, so we have Choice Redford who is our tobacco control program. We have a grant through the state and so she’s within the North Shore. So from all the way to Gloucester so you can also have her come in like we have in the past. I mean this town has been very proactive. now, you know we established the back of 21 before

20:38 the state did so the community has been no ahead of the game for most of the party. What was that you and I talked about having her in one of our yep soon. Yes, so we can talk to her and you know, there’s always new and upcoming products that were always worrying about. So, yeah, it’s definitely time for her to come in. We generally have her come in at this time and obviously through covid we haven’t seen her as much. So, let’s see if she can come to the next meeting. Yeah, that sounds good. There’s also an organization that works in the colleges and universities called the truth initiative and one of the ways they work is to help these young people before they become addicted to this nicotine to understand the marketing that’s being thrown at them because I think a lot of these kids are pretty Savvy and might lend an ear to understand how

21:24 they’re being played by these tobacco companies that are you know, Eager to get their business and attract them with different. Flavors and yeah, so flavors are back was huge. Obviously we band flavored tobacco for a long time. No, that was like bubble gum flavor the cherries and so getting rid of that like we had done a really good job with the back control. We really felt like we had reached a large point and then baking started right and that kind of took became a new thing and that was easy to get and so that was kind of brought us back a little bit. And so yeah, that’s kind of where we are at this point. So it’s always thought we’re doing really well and kind of had to take a step back and say all right, we got to continue on with this. But yeah, we are

22:10 lucky that we have Joyce and you know that allows us to work. As a coalition on the North Shore, so if you have laws and Marblehead, generally, there’s a similar laws and surrounding communities. So people aren’t just leaving Marblehead and going to Salem to buy their tobacco products and stuff like that. Thank you. so many people at this table that know about the tobacco and I hope issue in the ones and is there so I think that

22:37 very good support system here. Yeah good idea. So thanks for being that. Yeah, that’s great. All right public participation. So if you want to talk, yep, raise your hand and introduce yourself go Tom McMahon Gregory 8th Street. So I wanted to talk about the waistbands one line in particular and first and you know allow them to interrupt me whenever they want. You don’t know these two, this is Chris Kennedy and this is Liam McGowan. These are your two biggest accounts. I don’t think so, but that’s okay. Very accountable. Yes. Yeah. But so the issue that they’re having there’s one item on the waistband that is really turned their businesses upside down. And I’m not sure where this issue comes from Android. I know you’ve all been emailed on this by various people and found so

23:24 you’re aware of what I’m going to talk about, but it’s the five cubic yards or less trucks. Now so there’s several questions I have for this and to start with Andrew like where did this rule come from State regulation? So my question there is apparently this isn’t the same regulation everywhere. So so what is the difference? Yes, you don’t facilities are allowed to process the Indie. So they have dedicated C&D trailers that go to recycling Community facilities. We gonna landfills our inciner here. So that’s where we regulation applies to us and they say trucks capacity or is that some way you know, is that what is it possible for me to get that in writings that I can read all and know who to comment now where you guys aware of this because really their trucks these are their trucks, you know, so this is their business.

24:11 This is their you know, they don’t have a choice in this. No, I realize I realize I don’t have a choice but I do realize that there can be pushed back and I think writing letters reaching out to whoever’s making news rules and explaining how kind of silly they are. Yes you SCP is not like so Nast he has a solid waste plan for 2030. So obviously we only have so much capacity in our landfills and all these places. So the items that they pick to say you need to start to recycle. These are as to prevent the Overflow of the landfills once we fill up our landfills in Massachusetts now, we’re talking about Trucking or training trash to long distance. Well, yeah, you know, so my My issue is that obviously we’re not knowing people in the town. He volunteers this

24:59 time with the you know, the brown Carnival, I sort of certain the sad on the board. It might have been Museum. I hanged Reese around town. We’re not just no names. Do you all know us? I moved you and moved your mom. I moved your sister. You know the lack of reaching out to us to at least, you know, maybe try to work with us in this capacity whether it’s draw a line on the truck or figure out how we can work together is really disappointing. I mean we all both of us do a lot of this town. We live in tally pay taxes in town. I own several pieces of property in town actually a lot of taxes in town and it’s just I’ve don’t know you are I only know you because you have moved you but you’ve never any of

25:46 you have ever reached out to Austin be like hey, this is coming up. This is going to affect you. You know, let’s try to is there a way that we can work on it? I mean if is a state regular sitting there that my size truck can’t come in. I mean it’s not you know, it’s just

26:04 It’s unfortunate. I went working next door at motor shop the other day and I went to K and I said I have a picture of trash pile. This is the crash pile. I can’t put it in my truck right but I can put in a whitmore’s truck right next to it and bring it over and she you know said, yes, you can do that. So, you know, it’s It’s just it’s unfortunate and I don’t understand why that’s the case and that we can’t work around something like that because mainly related contractors in town that pay for this facility. Hey, you know for pay their tax in town trucks are registered in town pay their exercise taxes in town and just doesn’t seem like you know, there’s any

26:50 thought from you guys to maybe try to figure this out with us and see because it’s it’s me, it’s Sam. It’s changing the two Bridge. It’s it’s pickerello. It’s it’s guys that you know have been here for 50 years or you know, they have I can see the transportation from my house and my my multiplayer from the house. I’ve been like great grandfather built that land it’s the transfer station develop that like, none of you reached out. None of you like asked, you know, or gave us a heads up on this. We just got turned away in the the workers there just don’t know what’s going on because there’s no communication to what’s the policy who put it in and who’s regulating it, you know why they’re doing this and You know what when it was mentioned actually, yeah.

27:35 I’m sort of in the dark. So this is amazing. Yeah, so why don’t you know, if you’re on the board what’s going on? That’s it. I get new to that than just any of the first time but it would I would imagine that this would be discussed in that her being on the board with no exactly what we’re talking about and that just coming out. I don’t pay too much attention. I’m too busy working sporting families in town trying to be you know good for the town so I don’t pay attention to this, but that’s that’s scary. I mean when you’re using a lot of lingo that we’re not familiar with that’s what I’m trying to do is yes just declarify. So we’re on one talk at a time and see indeed and all that. I don’t know what they’re saying is and I don’t make sense

28:20 or nothing you can put the same amount of trash in my truck because my truck is bigger than another truck. You can’t it’s the same amount. That’s correct that’s going on. Yeah, it’s just yeah, so it’s like saying that if I put like a little backpack on I can go in but at the same amount something like a big backpack, I can’t go visit but you’re dumping the stuff in the backpack. It really if someone were to make that law or a rule you have to bring in like logic. It doesn’t make there’s nobody there’s like you if you haven’t can make that law then they can say that it’s like truck like like Prejudice It’s like because you’re it doesn’t I’m gonna make that law. What’s the next law like your car has to be littler than the trash like it doesn’t

29:06 make it the size of your truck can’t have anything anything.

29:13 It is making it up. Like what would matter if I’m dumping a little barrel with like let’s just let’s just make it up. I have a bag of trash. I put it in a big barrel and I walk overnight dump it. They’re like, nope that Barrel’s too big and you go back you get a little teeny barrel and you dump the same traps. They’re saying you can’t bring the big brow doesn’t can you bring the Big Barrel that still to the top? Again with trash not construction agree. But but you using your example, can you feel your truck to capacity and bring it in? Yeah and clean up to three. Yeah, not so good a lot of time for trailing that demo degree or is it just wrong and would there be someone from the state if they were standing down there?

29:59 They saw a large truck go in there. With let’s say I had 15 right eight couches back to the rim and they pay fine. But if I brought a piece of blue board in the back of that truck, they’d say no. Yes, so the rule is so it’s the mass regulations. So this board did not put these rules forward. We didn’t have a Sammy’s rules. These are all done at the state level at last meeting. So we have to enforce their rules because we have a permit from the state. What’s the rule the rule is? CND and vehicles less than five yards capacity is allowed they want all so the next level is Ultimate band. No CD at all just like capture rates. You tubes

30:44 CRTs all that stuff saying to her with that so that it’s consider that you have unless you rip your deck opportunity. Yeah all of your stuff instead of me and Chris coming to get it they want that all user meet them other company that bigger than ours. You can come in and maybe more expensive not levelhead people and driving somewhere else instead of us going to the transportation that we build or they can go into the transfer station. Yeah. Yeah, they can tell a smaller truck and so you can take two small trucks the same amount that builds in one big truck drive them in at the same time dump it but that same amount in those two trucks could not go in the big trucks crazy thing about that. Also that’s even extra crazy is which I believe Liam suggested is, you know, they’re willing to work with everyone and being like and I understand it’s a

31:32 This is why I’m giving you guys cause to push back because even if push back is gonna be the ultimate ban of this material. Well, I mean that if you push back and tell them how ridiculous it is. I mean, you can always push back and be like, do you guys understand what you’re doing? Do you understand? I’m nonsense. What are you doing here? Because yeah because if you put a line in the back of his truck that makes it five cubic yards. But that still doesn’t fly. And and so can you see how this makes no sense whatsoever. Right? So Tom, but what they’re trying to do is they’re trying to promote recycling. I understand what they’re trying to do, but it makes no sense that like you go on truck capacity. They’re not filling it to capacity but who’s gonna rebellious demo house that that’s the thing is they want you to recycle them. So where about say there’s you what that

32:19 and do that and keep that cost effective for anybody or then your guys not gonna want to pay for that if you’re doing your house, right? That’s not so it’s a mass regulation. So we have to live with these laws. I’ll give you I disagree on that because I always push back this is the democracy and you guys are the leaders of this so you should be able to speak to the community members and reach out to them and be like, hey be like this law you guys are passing down. Let’s talk about this a little more. I mean, we don’t live in a dictatorship. I know you’re following the rules but you got to push back and represent the community As Leaders of I mean if you I mean because it’s it’s mostly people from town. This is the thing. So if you care about the people that use your facility and the people from town we work for your utility. It’s not

33:04 a core profits utility. So it should matter where this stuff is coming from who’s taking it in. It should it should be people with trust registered in town whether the size Matters or not. It should be for someone with a building permit from town but you always said you’ve said before it’s a four problem you don’t care where it comes from or whatever utility and so that would mean Sports out. So you have a perfect parameters to set now to be like, okay. It’s a marvelous contractor that pay Actually the Marblehead and as your truck’s registered in my blood or it’s trash originated from marbling, which what it used to be when we started. What was the old rule which transpose come from Marblehead. It wasn’t really enforced. But now you have set parameters to make that happen before your argument

33:49 was that doesn’t matter. We can’t regulate that. It’s for profit if they feel they fill okay, but now you have set parameters to make that happen and I would think that you’d want to help people from town that give back to the town but it doesn’t seem like anyone cares about any of us. None of you have reached out. None of you you none of you have talked to us, right? So obviously this is all from the waistbands that we’ve talked about. We’ve talked always fans that come through nasty people. We have to comply with them. We have a permit through nasty EP and don’t fall away spans. They can come out you inspections find us and shut us down. They did that the Gmail a couple weeks ago you’re not The fact that no one reached out to them to communicate with your biggest account holders

34:37 who are residents who are financing this whole transfer station. So they’re not over and over again. Well, no, they are because their taxes Andrew and like well, they’re finally get more than most because Canada, I know Chris that are local property and these are big families in town. I don’t think you realize how far these guys go out as far as roots coming straight face 7,000 a month to the obviously, you know, transfer station fee like I’m not no internet but it’s the communication. I mean, you know, you should be talking to them. Well the end that’s the thing is one day my guys went in and called me those we can’t jump there anymore. Oh, wait, excuse me. What like we go agree with I love this book. I don’t know why you’re not like wow! How do we get on your team? You’re like

35:23 telling me all this stuff. It’s like really, you know the sound crazy like you’re not okay English to fair questions to ask you. How long is this new movement and this fall? So yeah stay to the hard line this fall the same day. There’s like a few weeks ago. That was you I hear you’re concerns one would be logic doesn’t matter outside your trip push back and say some of these guys. I can’t go by nine little teeny trucks and bit but think about this I fill up nine little trucks and drive up there and dump them. But if I just fill up a normal trip, oh Lord help environment. Yeah. It’s why don’t say it’s like yeah, like one would be like our one would be approach with a logical thing. We have small businesses that have been in the confirm

36:10 or people who lived here forever. We want to protect those small businesses, right? So we want to make it just normal you if I have three big trucks and Chris has a big truck or multiple big trucks. And you draw a line in it. That’s how much you know the five yards for construction week. But the other thing that’s going on here. It’s should be self. Like if you weren’t looking out for us. It should be self-serving to you because down the road those costs are going to catch up with you. You’re gonna go to do your kitchen and it’s going to be like

36:36 $25,000 in trash fees because they’re gonna be driving them to not Marvel head not even possible. So you what you should be doing is saying how do we protect the residents of our London we’re doing well the whole town works on this lots of wealthy people doing construction moving around and a little like smaller businesses can service all those people should bees and Marblehead movers and Chris Kennedy company. He’s fixing things. He said properties people are coming here to rent. That’s how it all works together. If those costs just keep going up and it’s impossible for us to do these things. I have to drive further away. I have to increase the cost double to compete. So you’re gonna either have big huge companies coming in here or you’re gonna have the opposite which is like people under the radar coming in here where you have sort of more of a corruption sort of concept versus a bigger Corporation. You

37:21 have one other you you’ll eliminate people like me and Chris. You’re like, oh, okay. We’ll go work for those big companies move out of town or something. It’s like so what are you trying to preserve you’re trying to and eventually come to you like you live Italian like wow, I can’t even read a vision my house at all the trash. More than the construction we’ve to demolinists it’s so it’s like so what do I propose? I don’t like she says she’s talking to the district attorney. I don’t know. Maybe this is things like price fixing we can’t explain. What’s it? My name’s Helene, Helene, Helene said, she’s speaking with the district attorney. Maybe looking to price it. I mean down the road like why can big companies do differently in a little company? Why can’t I compete It may be bringing the State Rep and the Army agencies. She’s right in town happy maybe you know make it even that’s it make it equal you guys want people want equality or

38:08 equal opportunity the very least we’re going to spending tons of money paying guys more money insurance and all that stuff. We’re trying to just drive it down in my legs. We’ve been paying for this dump like my mother’s born here Kenny’s family forever. Like what’s going on? Why don’t you guys like gonna you guys huddle you got the power or some somebody that I mean, I wasn’t I wasn’t having lunch with the district attorney. I don’t not the head of the health department. What would you guys do what even for those? I’m proposed make it equal opportunity get up there. How do you do that? How do you do that? You have to go back to nasty and get them together. Let’s do it, but that’s not gonna happen. So if you just say it like that, right? Okay. I mean

38:53 I’ve talked to we’re trying to do it. All right. Let’s see what you guys have. Yeah, like right so when we had the original transfer station building designs, we had a sorting for in there and that was the deal with these problems when we’re able to build that. We’re left with the compactor so I can’t sort material there. So I have to live with the rules that dep sets up. Okay. So again, this is all about Recycling and trying to prevent go into landfills and try to have those last for long coding time. We’re trying to keep with that volume. It’s the same volume. That’s not the same line. He doesn’t nine people don’t please let him know he can’t say that if 20 people come in the same size drop, but what

39:41 are two big trucks and dumb in the same truck, you’re saying we can’t do that sustain volume. No trick is with numbers that I don’t want to be rude at all. You can’t trick as if the meeting they’re not gonna have so what’s my trucks one truck? No name only. You said that that’s not true with this big ones. They want the scene the material recycles. Well, they don’t want to go into the trash and the land but why nine small trucks versus me and Chris is bigger. That’s how they set the rule to say if you see how that’s not I I understand make sense. I understand principle by Yeah, I’m curious to your input. Think about what you’ve heard here. I’m sure it’s new to you. I’m just curious where you think of all of it. I’m I’m really interested in I’m

40:28 grateful that you guys came here to help us understand your position and your concern. and I have to say when the band The respond was initiated. I was really intrigued because I also agree that we have a big problem with landfills. And I think it’s bordering on a crisis and I know the state is trying to figure out what do we do with this and when there was a waste ban, I thought oh, this is their step and I truthfully apologize. I didn’t understand the size of trucks and how that was going to be mitigated because if you’ll forgive me it sounded like it makes sense to have smaller trucks you’d have less trash and less so so you guys are helping helping

41:14 us understand style Less Traveled. It’s just more trips. But if I’m sharing many reviews And I you know, I certainly I apologize I think communication wise I didn’t receive this as a problem. I think I was excited the states doing something about a very thing potential problem that I think we’re all thinking about down the road for our families when you worry about where are we going to put all of this refuse going forward and it sounded like the state is taking step and I think oftentimes when a big policy comes down it can seem and why nobody reached out to you? I didn’t certainly forecast that. That would be a problem for People that serve our community with their business. I mean, I understand if

42:01 it’s I understand the volume issue. I understand it’s it’s a, you know, a numbers issue with crash and the amount of trash and understand if you had a certain allotment portrayal of those seen the year whatever and you know, you know, and then you’re identify which trucks and Cake keeps the log of how much Don age of construction really goes in these trailer and then we get cut off and then we have to wait for the next one or deal with that but it is not it’s it’s this asinine rule that makes no sense doesn’t prevent volume of trash going out. It just it’s more wear and tear in the roads. It’s people with that if we have to buy smaller trucks, it’s you know, it’s it’s they could actually cut the top of their truck bed and half and use the same exact product and do two trips. That’s literally what they could do. That’s correct that I

42:51 It put signs on it with construction debris in there. So that’s more than you know, five cubic yards and and you know, and they’re not from town and it’s just it just doesn’t seem right. It doesn’t seem fair and in an old it’s a lot of contractors from town have that size truck and all of us are blind side into this and I’m sure you’ve known about it before my guys got turned away three weeks ago and that is frustrating and disheartening and sad and saddening from a board that is supposed to be you know, by the people for the people that is not right. So Chris, we’re trying to continue to operate obviously. We’re losing too. No no vacation. There’s just it’s I’m bringing up a point that get the law and the rule doesn’t make sense and that

43:37 no one reached out to us. No one did anything. You know, I’ve got to you. I’m like, hey, I can see a pile of trash from my multi family in this in the Culvert down there like, you know, kill me. Can we To go ahead and call the state or do something like that like no I came to you and I said hey or you know, there’s a lot of trash that’s blowing into the Culvert off the hill like you guys might want to go clean that up and reach figure out how to do this. Like I’m saving docks down in this river that runs behind my property like, you know, but I didn’t go and take pictures and Report into the state. I came to you because we live in town and I thought we worked together, you know the common goal to keep the transfer station running, you know.

44:22 And to help each other out the best we can because we live in Marvel. That doesn’t seem like it’s the case or not. I still have to abide by steering regulations Liam and then we’re gonna have to wrap this up because well not even a lab. Sorry for the left Communications. I’m sorry. I didn’t read out you nothing absolutely. Nothing from you. All you can say is regurgitate your state there. I didn’t so, I don’t know if it’s I don’t know it did it completely disrespectful to me and him up here anything you that I’ve done you that courtesy before and you can’t even say sorry. So obviously I would love that continue all the business you take but that’s not what he’s talking about. Oh, yeah, just take me out. Just take the loss. You screwed up

45:08 all you just cut them off again. So let’s be yeah because you guys are listening you watch your respect that I really respect. What’s so So Liam and then we’re going to wrap this up. All right, it’s a two-part answer. I’ve tried it. You guys are talking about mental health. And also we provide jobs for some people that maybe if they didn’t have a jobs interest viral downward really quickly. So keeping us working keeping us, you know, picking up the trash and hiring younger guys or women or whatever. They need to purpose people jobs treatment. There’s no way I know you have the best intention of the draft that there’s no way you’re gonna stop Construction in Marblehead or Manchester. This this is the key to the economy. We have a job corporation when working we’re buying a little product and you took that away. It’s

45:56 a you know, it’s it’s an ecosystem and economic system a huge part of it is construction buying houses a huge part of the entire Market. Selling a house rebuilding it storing moving and then you can like go have your job and get a bigger house or a smaller house or whatever you want to do. That’s a huge part of it and create your job and purpose and people’s mental health way up when they come into going well and they have a job and they have her so it’s really the message of a Marblehead where to health could really get involved. Okay. Number one. Number two, you ask for a solution. I don’t know a minute proposed something you would have to probably look into it. But you get like you say between let’s say Tuesdays and Thursdays between 7 AM and whenever they open until noon all Marblehead construction guys can dominate this

46:43 trailer. It’s the same volume leaving town you pull out doesn’t matter size of my truck you rate to that state. You say look there’s a bunch of small business that we can’t make them go by brand new little teeny cars and drive up in nine different little guys. This makes no sense. They pull up and down and we hold their traction trunk or killing me where we load up demolition job in certain days, or maybe it’s every Days Every Day between 8:30 and noon. It was separate chair alert. I don’t know. If something we work together figures low, maybe that because trash and grow bags of trash and some little thing and transfer it over something like that. I mean your time with 10,000 for this 2,000 for that. We’ll do something makes money. This will make money talk about you talk about investing the town this will turn around and create money for all these little things, you know, reduce mental health and people are perfect. So you sit there and you figure it out. How do we do this? We have the volume leaving now. We have Mark we write to this day and say there’s like 15 companies

47:31 in our town. We offer them permits. So the permits a thousand dollars. I write a check for a thousand dollars. I get a permit. Later talk you have a trailer sitting there. That’s they’re just for construction workers. We dump all the trash in it somehow like there’s a big a hole and says back there that pushes it in. We we leave you can still throw your trash and bend over here. Done. It’s completely soft. Marblehead keeps operating everybody’s doing well. Kennedy can do his trash could get his trash. Was the other guy the Shamrocks a pickle rello all the construction guys, whatever we can dumbesters in here. We don’t have to drive New Hampshire. I’m driver and then your job is you know, you’re happy you’re going to where you’re fighting for this the little guy the underdog and you’re saying hey, look we’re gonna keep our town the way it is, right. We’re gonna be we’re gonna help you out. This is easy. This is so simple and

48:17 these big huge companies that have massive amount of money. They’re servicing multiple cities. They can stay out there. These are the end of the world. This is these codes we’ve been here forever. So that’s a solution like right there. There’s no there’s not even a problem a little letters to the state data some guy running for you. Don’t you want to help the small businesses? What are they say? No, Said the truck they got a copter trucking companies if your environmental is it all had to make sense like okay, so okay. We called Liam he sold all this truck now, he’s 17, you know GMC pickup truck. I mean, why didn’t it doesn’t it wouldn’t make sense right you agree? It was between agree. That doesn’t mean I I really appreciate your comments and I I thank you. I think I think that your approach just now in the conversation solution oriented and not accusatory

49:05 is most welcome because I really want to listen to that because I know I’ve been at this for a year and this is still a new role. We have health director who works as hell off to get very nice transfer station to be optimized and I do trust him when he says BPW the state says this is how it’s got to be. I think however, I think having conversations is the way to progress and make things better. And I I think that the more informed everyone is with what the problem looks like and what potential options could be could have a discussion about potential Sol. I mean through testing like a potential solution so

49:51 that there’s a bunch of things work area. So and obviously what’s going to happen is if vep sees that because people are just coming in small trucks, but they’re going to do is it’s gonna bangs the Altogether and that’s coming. There’s no doubt my mind that that’s not coming and you say to them. Just they know what you’re saying. It’s a construction degree. Yeah instruction demolition. So that would be some tips. We know that they can all be recycled into other materials with the way Master. We should dump it in Marblehead and have it driven to someone exactly it’s down the road of potential to have a different. So when we had the original design or the building we had designed sorting for We knew this this is all part of that design was discussions economy. I’m not denied that you would have to ask the town for six million more dollars and you’ve already asked them for so much

50:38 money. I understand but so it’s not me. They’re not me those people that happened. Yeah. No, I understand that. So that happened but that’s not me. You can go to town for more money. I’m not doing it. Let’s do it. So don’t have that. So yes, well we’d have to do is approach to EP and say hey we would look like, you know, obviously we’d have to purchasing the trailer. The last time we bought one. It’s 80,000 dollars about what it doesn’t quite that way. But yeah. And you can name it right? I can put Marvel a movie outside and then and talk to them about the potential of having us do C&D operation. Okay, I think so good so we can talk. You know our we have a contract with Waste Management. We have a similar contract. Hopefully we could you know,

51:24 they would set up all the trucking and and look at you know, maybe one day a week we could do, you know, whatever we could figure out your projects. Obviously, we’re losing money on this too. You know, that that’s not the name of our game. We want to operate a facility that that works for everybody. All the residents totally but obviously when the state regulations come down, we have to listen to them. I totally agree just like the building work. You don’t have a choice. These are the new building codes what the lawyers come in different oriented really good things around they get they don’t like all those conversations happening up at the state. We want to work with you right you guys together as a team. Maybe you said in two thousand dollars your website. Maybe you pay two thousand are

52:09 some of the right to the state. It’s really good. Very good. Yeah knows the laws that they look. It’s coming down to like the economy car. Right and they’re gonna say we need to change their operations and they need to recycle the material that that’s very smartly movers like Waste Management. That’s not You know just not real it’s not fair. I mean I’m doing the best I can here by cutting me by saying my truck. Tearing the same amount of trash can’t do that. I’m not gonna go over it again, but you yeah. Oh, yeah, that’s you know, that was written by nasty EP. You know, I have actually maybe I think what I want to sit here and say an end with this, thank you. Let’s work together. It’s gonna take some time maybe because obviously like I’m right in the middle of our but it’s you know, no one’s got nothing. We’re trying to permit this new facility with this will come conversations about

52:57 seeing me. Yeah, let me know how again, you know, but yeah, I mean, I know that’s that’s what we’ve kind of thought about like, right if you only have the contractor we’re losing all this business. Yeah. I know that’s right. And so yes, it’s all happy chucked up to North Andover or some other song as areas. So I mean again you bet we had a great time. I just came tonight to show support to the guys and meet with you people and to let you know, I think we’re we’re on the same town. There’s one like Earn to go to same direction and and work something about that is beneficial forever. But the facility was designed for residents. Totally, you know, the business says over the business side. Yes, definitely and the business side was helped stop operations and offsets cost for the Times. Awesome. Thank you.

53:45 Thanks. Okay, is there anybody else public participation? And yes? Yeah, my name is Barbara. I’m 36 Chestnut Street. so so my vocation is construction so I can relate to this my advocation is I spent 30 years in the Navy my last tour. I got involved with substance abuse education. The two star admiral I worked for it kind of run said Mr. Better you need to get the Navy’s campaign drug free program throughout the

54:32 country, which I did Saturday here Marblehead with the Senior Chief. Inorelli, we may know. What the fight about here. Anyway, we put together the program. And I was the first director and we put it nationally and it it is ongoing program with the Navy. I retired in 93. And 2016 the height of the opioid the crisis we experienced over the shipyard where I live. Somebody OD right on the street was found

55:20 dead. chief, picarello called the neighborhood meeting and which I And my wife attended my wife going back to the house that didn’t you run the program for the Navy on sets you education nationally. And I said, yes, ma’am. I did. He said you better get that thing going again. So I did I started again. It was the ball of 2016. I called Headquarters in Norfolk and said do we still have campaign drug free and who’s the New

56:05 England coordinator? And the Senior Chief that I talked to said we don’t have one up in New England. How would you like to be the coordinator so I get back into the Sort of the Navy again, but it is a concern. I’m working with dear the regional deer coordinator to see if we can’t Jenna because we have big problems and novel that I don’t have to tell you anything. I have three young gentlemen that the word formally High Time and they went to Marblehead high school. They unfortunately

56:52 suffered substance abuse issues and talking about Mental Health. Look at a stat. See the issue of mental health and see how it relates to substance abuse because there is definitely a correlation.

57:16 and I think it’s when the pot chops I’m just curious. How did the Board of Health relate to the plot Shops coming into Marblehead? You guys put any input to that or what was the deal? the chairman my slipboard I’m sorry. I called the personally called the chairman myself. Yeah. I mean, you know you guys are for help and you know, I worked with Andrew and a couple of things and You know. Having a putt. I don’t know whether you folks follow any anything that throughout the

58:04 country the pot shops, Colorado legalized it I I spoke on the state level in uniform when they had the hearings up at the State House. and you know, they

58:26 I said have you folks been this is before Massachusetts legalized pot. Okay. I said have you been following Colorado and some of the other states? You see the increase in teen usage you following the accident rates? I mean I get I’m on the the mail list for all of that plus the Australian Health departments and the effect down in under so just curious. How do we how are you folks? They’re promoting health. and we’ve got pot shops in Marblehead

59:13 in Massachusetts because when I spoke with the Statehouse I said you guys are going to be paying one way or the other. Oh, we’re getting taxes and you know blah blah blah and it’s going to substance abuse education. I said you’re killing kids. I mean these three gents nice kids. But I’m trying to keep them employed and squared away. And off drugs off alcohol and somebody you had the anti-smoking thing. Somebody brought that up. Okay, you know it’s a progression. It goes from smoking to vaping the alcohol. And then to drugs and to hyd drugs,

59:59 I spoke to the by the way the sheriff. up at the Essex County Jail

1:00:09 told me the stats up there 80% of his inmates up there. Are substance abuse abusers? Okay, so in any event, I Just letting you know I’m a resource. I have certified in substance abuse education. I’ve lectured actually I used to train the trainers. For the Navy on substance abuse, we get them to speak at the schools because you’re going to have to start somewhere. And and I heard through the grapevine. I think you mentioned that this there is

1:00:56 some money available has some appropriated for substance abuse education. What’s been done with it? I mean, they’re all kinds of Programs up there, but this is something. That you really? If you have to spend a lot of time and I talked to Gina Hart and at the high school I said cheating you’re gonna have to stop these kids. Right in kindergarten and on up. and the way the the Navy the way we set it up was in a three-tiered program the younger

1:01:43 kids middle school and high school kids is a few if you can get one of those kids squared away. There’s one less. person that we have to support one way the other And and possibly save the life. So but anyway, that’s that’s my concern as I said, I’m a resource.

1:02:13 I’d like to see a little bit more emphasis in our

1:02:19 education program. I haven’t spoke to the school committee. Yet I have spoke to a couple of the assistant. Superintendent I did talk to her. And I said if you don’t catch these kids and get them aware of these substance abuse and how it how it affects you. And all Society in that town, we know and Andrew sits on a committee with the with the school department. And yeah, we and they’re that’s one of the number one concerns. Yes. So obviously, you know, we have we are working with bsas. We

1:03:05 do have high school programs. And yes, it does need to expand gotta go. Dad. You got to get the kids in the low levels because the kids is starting to you know, like my wife’s watching TV six year old.

1:03:26 Um down, I think it was down in Virginia brought a gun into school six year old kid. I can’t even remember even conceiving six when I was five or six years old carrying a gun into school. But anyway, that’s

1:03:48 I think we need to do a better job educating our kids.

1:03:54 You know, I have five grandkids.

1:03:58 Fortunately, they survived that sort of phase but I’m concerned about the rest of the student population. You know what district attorney Tech is going to be very upset at me, but I’m sending all these people to him, but he talked about the Dare program today. He wants to reinstate it. So why don’t you I’m going to be talking to the regional deer who wouldn’t either know a day and I maybe going to the air Summit or something and in Vegas, but anyway You know when I when I talked to the kids I said, there’s only three things that are going to happen to you.

1:04:45 If you get involved with drugs, you’ll have a screwed up like you’ll end up in jail. You’ll be dead. Okay, and we’ve had kids you already know. You don’t want any more galantis around and some of the other kids that have been Michael had you know who they are. I know they are and in fact, I’m a member of the have a rotary that is one of the big pushes that we had no more kids dying and because they went wrong. the died of Overdose would have you so we we tried to make that well, thank you for all you your commitment your work. You

1:05:31 must speak terrific if they pulled you back in. Yeah, I was gonna answer that sometimes I just moving, you know, I know we might move on but I totally agree with you like a thousand percent but I think sometimes the approach these things could be way earlier and different like it’s not like no to drugs or no to this or that is how to make decisions. You know, when I was just I would go on to like there’s so many books no creating habits or or habits and proximity and being like I think you know what the way tons of problems with constant education on awareness because people can make a choice that’s their you know, we live in a free site make a choice. But if you have things like I own a Jujitsu school, you can keep playing children doing things whether it’s of course background soccer and you have people simply training mentors in these areas being like keep busy have gold.

1:06:17 If you have if you change the cat it runs, you know, if you have a cat needs comes to you you kind of create an environment for children want or young adults. They want to go this way. They do these things when they’re more lazy or not, you know, there’s no one in their life. They lose purpose, you know, so I think you need more Programs. I don’t like don’t do drugs. It’s like kind of purpose don’t don’t fly into the mountain of avoid them. You know, I think too many programs are focused on the problem which drive you towards the problem. But if you think you really want to see a lower numbers give people something to do keep their hands busy, you know, but anyways, I just totally agree with you and that’s where that’s that’s about it. We’ve changed sort of theme used to be if you’re remember the War on

1:07:03 Drugs, we change this whole thing. It’s defense of brains the defense of your brains. That’s the fact that I didn’t bring my my book, um breath the doctor my address who is the leading sometimes abuse educator who I’ve talked to allowed me to have a Navy to take her. Being which is saving your brain and that’s the that’s what we’re trying to say to the kids. They said people and you know, I want to go through all the the Medical but there’s all kinds of research. I’ve been to any number of meetings on

1:07:52 the effects of abuse and what it does to kids. I mean if balancing so, Anyway, thank you. Thank you. Glad to work well that you’re avoid with the program and anything I can you do. You know, what I’m around town. Andrew has your contact information? Yeah. Yeah, you know how to reach me and the chief. I talked to Chief. I talked to Mr. Bauer at the high school Gina Hat knows who I am, but you know, it’s it’s one of the Defense I’ve worked for 30 years for the Department of Defense. So it’s a

1:08:37 theme we’re defending. The citizens it takes a village. Yeah. Well, it takes the whole country and you know, well, it takes the village to start for sure into this this community, but everybody has to get the into the program or at least understanding, you know the defense and I’ll make one other last Point all the services having problems now recruiting. Um, these are the folks when I say people that wanted to join the military.

1:09:20 Only 25% roughly 25 to 28 percent of the kids that are trying to get into the services are allowed to get in. five big rejection all the educated substance abuse criminal records Physical fitness medical okay all related to the substance abuse issue. Some of them can’t pay as the aspect which is the test to get into the service talking all services having a problem. So that puts that’s a that makes it a national security issue. We don’t have both defend this. Anyway, thank

1:10:09 you very much. Very well. Is there anybody in the remote audience wants to raise a hand. Doesn’t look like it. So what I’m not interested in turning around they’re not so yeah, thank you. So on that note, let’s see. Our next meeting is scheduled for it. I worry yeah and every seven. Yes. So is there any equipment notes about perhaps coming up with some solution better at the next weeknight or something like that is you will be taking she retire? Yes continue. Agenda next time I’m saying I think we should just how do we make a little steps forward? Yeah. So to be proudest son always any more time. So what family practice right now, we have a conversation with

1:10:57 the state about CMD. Okay, so I guess and I’ll meet you some way I can help her. I mean so it’s really good. You know, can we get permits for CMD are we gonna be able to you know, this is gonna take some time maybe yeah cool, right, you know, we just have to be you know, these are the same regulations. Yeah, I think you know why I’m here is my business. Yeah, it’s important to me. So I’ll try to do whatever you like. I said, I’ll fall with you. Thank you the motion to a journey so that can do it’s no more in favor. favorite doctor in favor