Board of Health: August 7, 2023

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0:16 Ready? Mm-hmm. Okay. We’ll, uh, we be, uh, meeting to order, uh, Monday’s five or seventh at 7:30 PM This is the Board of Health. Hope you all right place. I’m glad to see everyone. And, uh, before I begin, uh, I have a few remarks, uh, to note. Uh, so, uh, I would like to, uh, make these remarks before the agenda, and I would like to make a few comments on issues that were developing during the Board of Health meeting this past meeting, and on some other statements that have been made, uh, since then. Number one, I want everybody to realize that I conduct, uh,

1:02 support of health’s business at this very table and not through the press, through social media. I request that others do the same. Number two, otherly visiting the transfer station on official Board of Health business. I do not use the transfer station on Deux Beach, thus I do not purchase a facility sticker. At one point I bought one, tucked it in my glove box and never used it. I do not wish to be hack harassed about this. Again, attacking fellow colleagues is no way to get business of the town accomplished. Number three, I’m reiterating what I stated in the last month’s meeting. All motions must go through a chair. If a member wishes an item to appear on the agenda, the request is put in for the next meeting. Number four.

1:50 And most important, the campaign is over and it’s time to take care of business and govern. Thank you. Now we will turn to the first item on tonight’s agenda. Um, can I, can I ask a question about this? Yes. Briefly. I just, Elaine, how, how many years have you served in public service in Marblehead? If you can help the community understand, um, some of the experience you’ve held working in helping support and lead our community over the years. Can You speak up just a smidge? Yes. I’m sorry. I’m just wanting to have, uh, I wanna talk about the experience that Helene

2:37 has held in serving on committees or as an elected official or leading different organizations in town to support our community. Well, it goes back a while. Um, my first introduction to Marble, uh, committee was at school when one of my children was in kindergarten. They approached me and asked me to be president of A P T A and I said that I really wasn’t prepared, but they felt that I’d been to meetings and they wanted me to do that. So that was my beginning. From there, I went, uh, and served as president, the Kelsey’s then, and then I, I might have not have this in the right order. I may may have been,

3:22 I might have run for school committee before then, but it’s over 40 years that I’ve been serving. And after the school committee, um, I founded several organizations. I founded the, uh, task force, the council termination after the, I went to the Board of Selectmen after that, um, after they had some, uh,

3:44 anti-Semitic graffiti for J C C when I was president there. So that’s what, and it was at the, at one of the temples at Temple Emmanuel. And then I found the, uh, found the, um, uh, p the public schools and also dollars for Scholars. Those were three that I did in the nineties. Uh, those were founded while I found, while I was sitting on the, um, on the school committee. ‘cause I noticed the gaps that were there, uh, the gap and with enrichment programs for the friends of the public schools. And also, um, the, the kids were not getting the proper scholarships at that time. The, uh, boosters were giving $50 scholarships. The Garden Club was giving $50 scholarships. And really, that wasn’t,

4:33 Bailey bought a book even then. So then I, uh, Holly Whitwell called me up and asked me if I would to take her place. And, uh, I, I went to, I think I was appointed for the first year. Yeah, it was an appointment. She, and then I ran for office.

4:55 So I, I just, um, I’ve tried to follow, having served with you for two years, some of your background, because it’s very valuable to us as a board. And I would just like to ask, um, each of us to really make a commitment to Move forward With respect for one another. And I just think that shame, the opposite of shame is, you know, pride. And I think you’ve got a long tenure that we can all value and appreciate the service that you’ve given this, this town. And I certainly do. And I, I think that as a board, we have so much important work to do when I know each of us are committed to doing so. And I would like to move forward positively and collaboratively

5:41 and respectfully. That’s, Well, thank you for those comments. Uh, I see what the person’s here, but there may be others, but I might have some of those things out of order, but I can check them. I should probably address now, too, Helene, you’re well aware that I caught wind, That you sent a horrible email about me to your friends calling me a liar saying I was belligerent. So try to shame me in this way. I stand by everything I say, but don’t play the victim. You did some awful things and I reached out to you and I tried to squash it. And rather than squash it within that email, you attempted to forward my email to you to someone else. I don’t know if it was Joanne, I don’t know who it was, but you hit reply instead. So I got it and you trashed me more. So if you wanna have this,

6:27 this level playing field where we respect each other, you gotta respect me too, because I tried to squash it with you, But, uh, many of the things you said never occurred. I, I never told Wise, I never wrote, I have a copy of the email right here, but Well, you can take care of that. So I, I wrote it, I guess so I, I don’t know. So, but I think that we should move on, but, um, and

6:52 so the, uh, first item on the agenda is meeting minutes. Does anybody have any comments on that before we vote? I didn’t get a copy of this. Absolutely. We’re talking. There you go. Or do you wanna, uh, have, why don’t we delay it? Anything at the moment to look at it is your, were at this meeting. You wanna do that? Yeah. Why don’t we go on to, um, the mental health task force while you can, you can delay doing the meeting minutes, you know, you can push up. Can we give it to next time you To next time? That way Everybody has An opportunity to read through ‘em. They can take their time. Well, we’ll put on the next. Okay. So, um, the second item is the Mental health task Force. Um, uh, let’s see.

7:38 At the last meeting we had discussed the formation of a subcommittee to proceed building our strategic plan for the mental health, um, task force. And we were very fortunate to have a very robust group of talented members of our task force, um, show up at the Gary five, which volunteered to let us use their, their site to have the meeting. And, um, we also had the benefit of having Kirsten Bosworth volunteered to help facilitate the, the conversation because, um, you know, the whole mental health task force was developed due to Covid and some of the challenges that we were having during Covid. And the, um,

8:23 opportunity to really kind of realign what are our priorities, which direction should we go, and, um, how can we best meet the needs of our community going forward or discussed? And we’re going to have another meeting, um, soon, which I have to get scheduled so that we can continue to build out our strategic priorities and, um, build and set goals and objectives for the future going forward next year and potentially, you know, out three years so that we can, uh, be accountable to the goals that we set. I think, you know, there’s been lots of achievements of the task force, but the past, uh, six months especially, there’s been, we are, we have not, you know,

9:10 succeeded in, in setting goals and, and being accountable towards achieving ‘em. So I’m very grateful to have some very dedicated and passionate, uh, members of our task force. And grateful to have Dr. Thomas Farrow, who, um, is, uh, a very valuable voice in our conversations. And, uh, interested in actually talking with the board. I don’t have this as an agenda item yet, but in one of the conversations that we’re having at the, um, subcommittee meeting is how can we best move forward with membership, um, in terms of subcommittees and also, you know, making sure that the people that are involved can continue to stay engaged. We’ve had members that have already served for two years and, you know,

9:58 certainly all of our priorities and, uh, responsibilities change over time. So we have to make sure we have the right people sitting at the table. And so that’s, um, part of what we’re framing out with our, uh, meetings as well Are some, are some members looking to, uh, step Down? No, we’ve had, um, lots of enthusiasm to continue, but one of the things we wanna do is have, um, someone so that we can always have hold our meetings. It’s hard to sometimes get a quorum, but, so we may have someone be a second. So if we have, uh, we have Lisa Hooper who works for the Council on Aging, and she has so much to offer, but can’t, you know, she’s spread very thin with her other responsibilities in the different committees she supports. So maybe having Sharon Dole come and if Lisa can’t be there in her place,

10:45 we could have Sharon in her place. That way we can hold meeting, have the conversation, and, um, get the work done that needs to be achieved. And, and then also perhaps someone, uh, Terry’s at the, um, counseling center. At the counseling center and, you know, she certainly has lots of responsibilities. So we’re exploring can it make sense to maybe have her have someone that could stand in for her so that we can, you know, continue to meet once a month and make sure that we can, uh, attain the forum and get the work done that needs to be done. I’m glad you had a, a, a very successful meeting with, uh, with your speaker. That was great. Yes. She was very helpful. Did you have a, a some of public there? Were you, you Were on Zoom or, uh, we didn’t, it wasn’t a public meeting. Oh, it was, we, it was a subcommittee, so, um,

11:31 we had to make sure we were under half of our membership and, um, but there’s a, a lot of, it’s really, it’s a subcommittee, but I think there’s a lot of, uh, you know, the whole group is eager to, to contribute and once we have the framework laid out at our first meeting that we come together, we’ll be able to, um, set about building the subcommittees and seeing who wants to be where and what those Goals are gonna be. And Do you want to just remind us of when your first next meeting’s gonna be? Um, I don’t have that yet. Okay. Sorry, but, and Will that be in August or in September? It’ll be in the end of September, excuse me. The end of August. Okay. The last week in August before school starts. ‘cause I think right before school starts, it’s a little easier than right after school starts start together. Who is representing the high school now?

12:18 Um, Michelle, the new principal. Michelle, I’m sorry, last name, Her last Name, sorry, I can’t pronounce her last name, but she agreed to, um, step in for Dan Power and joined the task force. And she’s, and we also have Allie Carey, who’s a, a social worker at the high school who’s just, uh, a great asset to, Yeah, both will be great members. So I know both of ‘em, So yeah, I feel very lucky. Yep. Fortunate to meet Michelle, but I forget. Awesome. She’s been there a long time, but I, yeah. Um, you wanna go with the transfer station, Andrew? Sure. I have quite a few things to talk about the transfer station. Uh, but the first up is we want to talk to the board about credit cards. So, um, obviously we get asked almost on a daily basis, you know,

13:04 why don’t we take credit cards, you know, when will you start to take credit cards? Um, so Marty and I have been looking into this, so we really wanted to bring this to the board, um, and kind of get the board board’s approval. Um, so we have over 400 commercial accounts, uh, payment or, you know, your, your bill goes out to every month would great for business owners to be able to pay right away using credit cards. Um, we have online options, so rather than going to the transfer station, having to go to the scale house to do transactions, to pay for a TV or an AC unit, you could go online and pay for prepay for something. So it’s a very quick transaction. Um, also when you’re there using the scale house, it’ll be very easy to use a credit card.

13:50 Obviously we’re not gonna get away from using cash and checks. Um, but this is an option that we really wanted to discuss with you. And, um, Marty’s done a lot of research. Um, so Marty, you want to kind of talk about, you know, so the product that we’re really looking at is Square. Um, it’s a credit card reader. Um, it’s a very, you know, robust system out there. You see a lot of establishments using a similar type of credit cards. Um, Excuse me for a moment. Is there a reason why we’re not in focus over there? So I have it on speaker view, so you’re at the top, and so it’s green because it’s showing on us. Right. Um, but for whatever reason, if I choose some other views, some of the, you know, Roseanne’s gonna, Blaine is gonna kind of take the center stage for whatever reason tonight, but, so I just have it on speaker view.

14:36 Oh, because I see, what is that Marty’s hand there that, Nope, that’s, you know, that’s just, there’s just one camera that will call around depending on who’s speaking. Okay. All right. Those are just Yep. Members for items. Okay, good. Sorry, I just looked over there and I didn’t see anybody. But like, so credit card payments, uh, online payments, those, uh, the pricing for the items would be the same. There would be a convenience fee that would be added on, because that’s what comes to us to utilize that. That is a, uh, percentage fee of the overall transaction as well as, uh, I believe 30 cents. So 30 cents plus, um, 2.6 to 3.3% of the transaction is the fee you’ll get charged to utilize the online invoicing or, uh,

15:25 online payment credit card is a, is the lower end of that. Um, the invoicing is the higher end. So if the account holders would like their invoicing to be able to be paid online, it’s that higher end. Uh, when you go to use the transfer station for trash, your ac whatever appliance or mattress, uh, it’s the lower end of that. Uh, what do you mean, lower end? So that 2.9% to the 3.30 the lower, it’s always 30 cents plus that, but it’s that amount. And then depending on how you’re utilizing the payment, depends on how much they charge for the transaction. Um, so that fee would be added on top of there. So as an example, if you were to get a, um, an air conditioner and,

16:11 and bring that in, it would be the $25 that you normally would cash or check. But then there would be a 30 cent plus 2.6% of $25 added on top of that, which would come a time of payment. That convenience fee is passed on to the person who wants to use the credit card or online payment. It’s very normal to see that throughout use in other locations. Um, so that’s how we’re offsetting not needing to have some sort of subscription service.

16:43 And so what a lot of the other departments use. So if I go and pay my water and sewer bill, I’m gonna get hit with that user fee or my Marblehead Electric Life bill. I’m gonna get hit with that user fee. Yeah. That said, Are you gonna have the option for the, uh, check, you know, you do like Yeah, you could. So, so that you avoid the fees. Correct. So you can Always still pay by check, obviously. And you can still pay by cash? No, no. I mean The online check, you know, like you can do it direct from an account. Yep. So if that comes in, that’s still gonna come in as a cash, I’m mean check or cash payment. So that comes the same. Yep. The bill pay type of thing. Similar to Life department, you Know, same thing. Yep. Just if you’re utilizing your credit card, which there’s a form that will come, if anyone wants to use it, there’s a authorization form that they’ll have to sign to say, yes, I do want to use it. And they can sign one for future use. So say if they want to keep that on file, yes, they can for future use.

17:30 So they’re, mm-hmm. You don’t have to always fill up this information. You can say, Hey, I use this. It’ll give them an invoice. That invoice can then be matched at the transfer station and track through our office like I normally do. Mm-hmm. Um, So obviously some of the things that we would need to change out, so we currently have a regular, um, cash register at the transfer station that would switch over to a square, a cash register, which is almost like an iPad. Then we have a cash drawer. Um, one of the great things of that is that all the tra transactions that would occur, but also go into Excel so we can do a better, so currently we’re doing a lot of paper transactions. So we take the paper from the transfer station that comes into our office and we have to sort through that and, and do all the accounting based on that.

18:17 With the square register, all that accounting will be done already, obviously. We’ll double check that. But does one last, um, essentially, you know, process that will happen. So for example, this is one day for me, this comes from the transfer station. And then I have to then reprocess this and account for everything that’s done here, check the numbers, and then process them again. So it happens. Yep. They process a report, it comes to me, I process a report follow up to make sure all that they both match and then move forward. So it’s accounting is much easier with the new setup. Um, And then as we switch over and we, you know, we get through the planning board and we’re allow residents now to enter through Green Street. Um, but we’ll have a second transaction booth where that’s really gonna be the residential area. Um, we’d also have,

19:04 be able to have another square reader down there. Um, we wouldn’t necessarily take cash or check down there. We’re hoping a lot of people would prepay online before they get there. But we could have a, a credit card reader there. You could actually print out a receipt for the individual if you wanted to do that. Does that require another employee? We already have. So you’re already gonna need the other employee to be there to check stickers and, and be there to assist. Now that employee’s not always gonna be there, but that is kind of the main function of that employee. What Do you mean not always gonna Be there? So sometimes if it’s just not a super busy day, she’s gonna walk up and down that line. She works five days a week, we’re open six days a week. You know, there’s some little nuances that we have to deal with as a six day operation. That’s the individual that you have working now checking stickers? Correct. Yep.

19:52 What is the investment for this square? Is it they provide the technology and then No. So we need to, we need to purchase the technology. So we need to purchase the reader and we need to purchase the, the cash register. Now, currently we need to replace our cash register as it exists. ‘cause it’s broken. Um, so that’s runs about $350. The square new cash machine that runs about seven 50. Don’t you do the credit card through your bank? You can put your own our bank or whoever we bank with. Yeah. But, so we wanna make sure that we don’t start to lose money on transactions. So if I walk into a store and I run my credit card, there’s a percentage of that that’s gonna come off. Right. Their bill they’re paying for. We don’t want to lose that as the town. We, we have a policy that push that user fee onto dividual,

20:38 Push the user fee. But but the whole system of instead of buying the square, doesn’t that, can’t you get set up by, by the bank that we use? No. So our bank doesn’t offer some event. You know, You guys know about that though. I Think it’ll pay for itself Within an hour. Yeah. I think on Saturday. Yeah. I, you know, it’s one of those investments that we need to kind of come into today’s time. Yeah. Um, everybody’s asking us for use a credit card. Um, I think it’s, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s a convenience piece. A lot of people do not have cash on the, on the, a lot of people do have checks on that. Yeah. So it’s just kind of, this is what today is and this is what we need to kind of move to. And, and again, you’re passing the user fee onto the individual. Mm-hmm. Right. If you’d like to utilize that, you pay the extra fee. And so Obviously the first thing that we would do is that we would place replace,

21:25 you know, we would start to take credit card transactions by people paying their bills and then replace the, um, the cash register in the scale house over to Square. This would help with, uh, not having to chase a lot of the bills too. Yeah. It should potentially help with people paying a little bit more on time. Um, you know, that’s something I feel like we’re always gonna have to do, but I, I think it’s a little bit of a convenience thing. Do you want a motion? Yeah. Um, can I ask a, you can ask question A couple more questions. Just, you know, I see these kind of things everywhere, but is it, would we have phone type size things that people can advance the, the card into? So the, the setup is gonna be for a stationary cash register unit, which would take credit cards, which would be like, you’d see normally when you go to use a register at say the Boba

22:14 shop. You know, you see that, that that little iPad there, you slide your card across the back. Yep. Now the remote one is gonna be, uh, like the size of the cell phone, but a little thicker because it has a self-contained printer in it. So that way when they’re done, the print comes out the back, you can produce a receipt. It has all of the invoicing number on it, which then also, again, comes through into my office. Okay. So we’re able to follow up that Way. But yeah, first we’re gonna start with the cash register, get everybody up on that, and then start to move into the additional, uh, yeah. So I’ll take a motion. ‘cause it, you know, it is a big change for us to move into taking credit card. So I have something wants to make a motion. That would be, So the motion would, would be that we would go to a credit card system. We Now, now allow, uh, credit card transactions. And the, and the payment for the fees would be because it

23:02 Yep. It would be pushed onto it as a user fee. As As a user fee. Yep. So that should be A convenience fee. Yep. It’s not a convenience fee. Correct. I’m giving you a convenient way to pay online. That’s the fee it’s for, it’s not me. I’m passing on, on the, And I’m looking for motion. I, I’m happy to make a motion to, um, start using credit card, accepting credit cards and charging a convenience user fee for the transaction. I’ll second it. It’s a no-brainer. All in favor. In favor. Great. You unanimous. Um, so the second piece, I want to talk a little bit about stickers. Obviously there’s been a lot of discussion about stickers. I think the best thing for us to do is to really start to think about who our users are at the transfer station. Who do we want them to be? Um, and then really doc, like put it off to September, have an,

23:51 you know, have it listed as an agenda item that we will talk about stickers now for us that work up there for employees. When a car pulls up, the easiest thing for them to see is the sticker on their bumper. Now the board can discuss other options like having a sticker that has, um, a license plate where the employee writes the license plate number on it when they get the sticker, but the issue, and they can hold onto that in their car. So they, you know, when they pull up to the transfer station, they can hand it out their window. The employee will have to take that sticker, verify it’s the sticker for that vehicle by checking the license plate. So you just have to remember, we can do these things, but there is a convenience to having the sticker on your car. And by have being,

24:37 having to check every sticker, that could be a line that occurs. So, your Honor, that is, you know, that is something that we should talk about. Um, and I think that’s something that the board should really think about. Um, and we can have a set agenda item, uh, at our meeting quarter. Actually, you know, I was gonna talk about something about, I mean, I say it’s a sticker. It’s supposed to be stuck. It’s not a pass That’s, It’s, uh, but yes, it Is called the sticker. It’s not called the, But someone reached out to me and gave me a demo of, um, Eagle Eye Networks. Is that what you looked at? So I don’t know if it was Eagle Eye Networks. Ours was called a Stickless system. Okay. Yeah. Um, so, so when we looked at it, some of the things that kind of come up, so if, or like a, an easy pass. Yeah. Um, so you’re, you’re driving through the gate, you’re entering the facility.

25:23 You have your easy pass, the re green light goes and you continually drive on. Yes. Another guy drives in, doesn’t have that. He’s gonna pay for an ac so the red light goes on, he continues to drive. And now we have this vehicle in there that’s not supposed to be in there, but he’s allowed to be in there ‘cause he can pay for the AC unit. So it kind of creates this issue. How do you deal with that car that’s not supposed to be in there? Yeah, So what I, the demo I got, which was really cool, was, um, it was called Eagle Eye Networks and the price was really reasonable. So all the materials were 1300 bucks. And it’s a camera you prop up and, uh, this is, uh, it’s a license plate reader. Yep. There’s no sticker. So you re you register mm-hmm. You pay recognizes your license plate.

26:09 If you don’t, you get a fine, which is admissible in court, so it Right. So obviously we’d have to pass a law to allow that, but Yes. Right. Yep. And the, but the price was really what jumped out to me because it was 1300 of the materials, the person I was talking to. It’s like, it’s a little steep for the installation. They thought 3,500 was like, that’s for the amount you save. That’s an, an incredible savings. And then the monthly cost for storage of the video, uh, was like, if you store the video for seven days, okay, it’s 18 bucks. Okay. And it’s like for 14 days, 23. So is that like the epass that they use? There’s no pass, it only reads your license plate. Yeah, That’s, that’s What they do. And it’ll flag you. So if someone violated and came in twice without, you know,

26:57 and still hadn’t paid it would send, um, a notification to whoever’s working in the booth and then someone could go right over to them and be like, Hey, you’ve been coming in here and you didn’t pay. Yeah. So that was very similar to the one that we looked at. I, I don’t think the pricing was Back. I mean, the pricing was insane for this one. And, and the person wanted, they weren’t selling me anything. This was just a resident in town that was like, that wants nothing to do with it. Actually, they don’t want to be involved in it. They just gave me a demo and so, which is pretty cool. And they said, uh, it’s also set up with an outward port, so Eagle Eye doesn’t come into our cloud network. Yep. Which is pretty critical. Yep. Um, and yeah, the full installation was 35 bucks. And Marblehead has an account with Kevin O’Brien, I guess, who, uh,

27:44 is a regional director for a d i and he could coordinate maybe a demo where everyone to see It. So like some of our issues and like obviously we’ll need to meet with the company. Yeah. So where the gate is down. Yeah. I don’t have any network down there. Yeah. You need power in a Yeah. So I have power there. Yeah. And we could, you know, we could, you know, that’s all doable. Yeah. I just don’t have a network down there currently. I think it’s just worth looking at. Yes. And I can give you the information for it. That would be, and then if they want to come in and present a demo where anyone watching can check it out too, um, I mean, it was quick and it was really cool. I mean, I definitely think, you know, the board needs to talk about, you know, stickers and passes. Yeah. And then on the backside we need to investigate, you know, Eagle Eye and have them come in and do a investigation. And they also had, um, I don’t know what you were gonna do about the cameras,

28:29 uh, but you can do a different setup, which is security cameras too. So we have security cameras up in place. Um, but so we were just looking at, you know, the, the license plate? Yeah, no, they already there. I just knew that they offered them too, and the price was reasonable. It was like, uh, uh, 425 bucks per camera. Yeah. So we have cameras installed currently we are waiting for our network, uh, in the town to be installed. Yeah. Um, which is taking a little bit longer than I like it to be. Yeah. Um, but we’ll have cameras up and running hopefully in the near future. But this one, yeah, I think it’s definitely worth the demo. And if you’re looking at an all in price with materials and the, and the installation of like 5,000 and, and obviously You need to figure out like the true cost is storing all the video.

29:15 Well, that’s what they, that’s what it is. It’s a subscription. So that’s, they’re saying you pick your days, seven days, 14 days or 30 days, and the most expensive it is is $28 a month. And that’s a story 30 days for, so 30 days worth of video. Video. Right. Okay. That’s, that’s not bad. Can I, can I ask a question? Ask? Yeah. Because I might need to do some catching up to understand is, so if someone comes in and they’re, they sneak in their garbage and then they run out with, We didn’t send a ticket to their house because the license plate, it reads to your license plate. So you’d get the, the, um, fine sent directly to your house, which, or the, The address on registration that, that’s What, you know, that’s exactly what’s the tunnel on the bridge do? Yeah. Yeah. Same, same system. This is like, there’s no, so the difference being the tunnel at the bridge, you have an easy pass, which you can pay, would, could hit directly.

30:02 This one just there isn’t easier place. So if you were to go to town hall or wherever and register your car with the transfer station, then you would, um, you’d automatically, like when you came in, it would recognize your license plate. No, nothing Happened. And so I ideally you actually have it registered online. So you take out Exactly. Take out the transactions. So all transactions, you know, and obviously like there has to be some, you have to provide documentation to prove that you’re a Marblehead resident. Yeah. Um, so there’s certain things that you’d have to be able to fill out and prove that stuff. Or after the first year, once you’re in the system, you’d be just go online and redo it and redo it every year, which would be so much easier for, I had other stuff leading into this book, Andrew, talking about that I just, uh, jumped into it because I think once you get,

30:48 I think there’s a discrepancy between the price and the demand, which is causing people to come in. And so you’re missing out. So like you, you know, if you get, you know, say a group of people that just is like, ah, well I’m not going in there that much. I’ll just sneak in like three, four times a year if they were willing to pay a discounted price. You know, they think 80 is too much, but they don’t think 50 is too much. You, you’re missing out on, on four or five people at 50. You know, so like if you get your true number of people, residents that actually come in and actually pay, I think that it would come much farther down from 80 I. So Yes. So I think that’s Something your true number. I, I think that’s something we, that we have to take a look at. So obviously,

31:33 right. Yeah. You know, so we, we look at revenue coming in from last year. So for f y 23 Yeah. We received $390,000 for stickers. Mm-hmm. So a significant amount now you have to then take a look at our budget. Three 90, Yeah. Two 90. Yeah. No, for FY 23. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Not 22. Yep. Um, but so when you’re doing sticker prices mm-hmm. You, yes, you need to take a look at what’s going on in the area, but you need to look at our budget and what is technically covered under, that’s what you’re, when you’re purchasing that sticker, what is it supposed to cover? So it’s supposed to cover your household trash, your recycling, and your yard waste. And that’s it. But also doesn’t it, if you have a beach sticker doesn’t help.

32:21 Correct. Correct. But as far as like our budget goes and stuff like that, Then this, you know, I might as well jump into some of Yeah. Because, um, so right now you’re operating, this is just a quick Yep. Thing. It’s gonna seem off topic, but it’s not. So right now you’re operating the transfer station with the minimum number of employees because the override didn’t pass, correct? No. So We’ve been level funded for 10 years, so it’s really hard to get new employees. So Yeah. So yeah. So we’re, but we’re, this is the level, right? This this is the level. Yeah. Okay. So when we make cuts in this department, kind of, for lack of better terms, the first one on the chopping block is, is the counseling center. That’s kind of what happened this past one, right? Not really. Well, it, it didn’t happen, but it initially was gonna happen.

33:07 That was the first one looked at. So yeah. So like two different budgets. So health budget and then waste budget. Yeah. So I mean, that’s kind of what you wanna avoid is making cuts anywhere. Yes. So with the fires that happened, would you, do you think that the piles are bigger this year or in recent years than in say, years past? Yes. So it’s probably indicating that people from out of town are coming in because we’re not gaining more land where people are doing yard work and stuff like that. You know, it’s, it’s probably the same. So I think that you’d probably get a little less of that. It’s hard to say. It’s hard to say, But it’s hard to say. Yeah. So there’s, there’s quite a bit of landscapers and people that pay for brush, right. Being brought in just this past week it was $600 worth of brush. So that’s quite a bit. Um,

33:54 and so if you take a look at the pile that’s there right now Yeah. We ground last Monday. Yeah. And so in a little over a week, that’s what was generated and we brought in 600. Well, so yeah. No, I’m honestly, but as far as, I’m just speculating. Yeah. Being like if it’s, if it’s more than this this year, then maybe there’s more coming in that shouldn’t be coming in. But I think the other piece too is that what we have to remember is that costs are only going up. So Yeah, that’s my other, that’s where I’ll, that’s where I’m leading. So yard Waste is a really hard piece to deal with. Yeah. Um, so leaf and gra, leaf and grass is a little bit easier, but spring material tends to be a lot of woody cuttings that get tossed into the leaf and grass pile. So I was talking to our contractor today, he’s like, I need to charge you more money to remove this material. He’s like,

34:39 I can’t, I have to process it now. He’s like, you can process it. And then obviously that’s an added cost for us, or I need to charge another $2 a cubic yard for me to haul this material out because when it gets to my yard, I’m gonna have to process it. So we’ll do a quick math, but it’s probably gonna make sense for us to process it on site. Yeah. Um, it’s gonna make sense for us to move material out in a quicker, you know, in a more regular fashion. So almost on a court, like we want to grind on a quarterly basis and we want to start the truck material out almost on a quarterly basis. Now it’s, what you want to take a look at is volumes and weights. So we have a maximum amount of weight I can put in a truck and obviously a maximum amount of volume. I want to try to maximize that. So I don’t want send out a truckload of fresh leaves that’s all fluff and

35:28 no weight. I wanna send out trying to maximize my, you know, weights and, and volumes. Um, so we’re always working with Agri Source. We tend to be working with Mayor Tree, um, all, you know, off the state bid lists. Um, and so we’ve been dealing with these companies for a long time. We have a good relationship with them. They’re open to doing more work with us. Um, but obviously with more trucking and stuff like that comes increased costs. So we need to remember that we’re looking at these costs and whatever. And obviously I can’t take the full yard waste cost and pass that on to the sticker holder because yard waste comes from highway department, tree department, it comes from the light department, it comes from curbside leaf and grass collection. So you have to take the pie and you have to kind of divide it up and then say,

36:17 all right, this is town allocated. And obviously it comes for park and rec, it comes from all the town properties. So there’s a large portion that comes from other people. You know, I think you have to take that. I think we’re getting Gen agenda. You said we’re, that’s Okay. I think it’s all kind of part of this general discussion about stickers. But You did say you wanna do it as an agenda item. Yeah. So I will, I will put the stickers on as an agenda item for September and bring more information and try to really start to dive into how we come up with a cost of a sticker. Can We have, you know, as information is when the three of us might talk to residents and and professionals and get information, can they send it to you and you can forward it to us? So yeah, like this information you’ve, so we gathered Tom can we, can we have that? Yeah,

37:02 Yeah, yeah. No, absolutely. Um, the only thing, so I Know we’re gonna put that on for The next agenda. Well it’s the, the transfer station’s on this, which was what I was, unless you wanted to do the mental health task force first. And I wanted, we’ve already done the mental health. Okay. I sorry, my bad. Um, but what I want, I had a couple other transfer station related questions now, and this might be a correlation. So obviously with the recycling costs, it’s just one minute. If it has to do with the stickers, it’s gonna be, it’s not the agenda. Next item. It’s not Next time. Um, so the, the recycling Yep. Ha has that noticeably increased? So I, so recycling’s always gone up a little bit every year. Yeah. Um, not, not in a huge way and stuff like that. Now, so obviously we have two sources of like,

37:48 so j r m collects recycling, curbside. Yeah. They own it. We don’t have to pay for anything that Yeah. At the end of our contract, that’s gonna be a, a large cost, probably cost to $300,000 to deal with disposal of curbside recycling. The recycling that comes into the transfer station. We used to make a little bit of money on paper. We used to leave a little bit of money on cardboard. That market has changed, um, believe with the downfall of, you know, Amazon Prime, we’re overloaded with cardboard. So that market is gone. So everything so co-mingle, so that’s glass, aluminum, plastic, paper and cardboard all gets trucked out now to J R M and there’s a cost, the disposal of all that, it’s running about $75 a ton.

38:34 I guess it’s hard to test cardboard because Amazon’s come on so much over the past couple years. But would you say like plastic bottles and stuff like that, has that noticeably increased or is that flat? Okay, that’s pretty flat. Um, Now what we do wanna remind people is that, so recyclables are only per the Mass State guidelines. Yeah. So this is recycle smart. So we, we send this out in the annual, um, the town clerk sends out a, like a baby certificate for your dogs and other information. This goes out as a flyer to all homes in Marblehead. This is really important for people to read and look at and understand. When we sell recycle bins up at the transfer station, this is printed right on it, this is kind of your Bible to recycling. Um,

39:21 and if you have questions, there’s a recycle Smart Ency encyclopedia. And so people can go on there, write their item in and they’ll tell you, can I recycle this or not? And so people would be really surprised about what you can recycle and what you can’t. So that’s important for really people to understand. Um, the hard thing with the amount of recycling we get, obviously the, the worst item in there is glass. We get a lot of wine bottles. There’s no way around it. Um, the hard thing is that there’s no value to that, but there’s a lot of weight to it. Yeah. Now, um, and with those costs coming up, got increasing it, it’s most likely gonna be a bigger hit on the general fund as far as budgeting because there’s no way really around it. If it’s there, it’s there.

40:07 So now the material that’s coming into the transfer station Yeah. That’s only brought in by residents with a sticker. Right. So those costs really should be allocated to the price of a sticker. Yeah. And and that’s comes down to compliance too. Or like I said, if you get into too high of a price, people are gonna roll the dice. Right. And that’s, and that’s, well you’ll Be surprised when you see the price of the, uh, of this, Um, yeah. So we’ll do like, Uh, towns around Here. Yeah. So when we, we come and talk about stickers, we’ll pull pricing for other communities in the area way and Yeah. You’ll be surprised. Well, I Mean, I’m not worried about us being, you know, way low. I’d, I’d prefer us be as low as possible. Yep. ‘cause like I said, I think the, I think the transfer station’s a utility for the town. I think the town should,

40:53 you know, be paying as little as possible in order to cover costs. Um, which gets me to my next one. Tom, before you go to that, let me ask you a question. You said, um, when the contract runs out with J R M, it’s going to add $300,000 in costs Yep. To have our recycling taken away. Correct. Annually. Annually is the estimated cost That’s on site that’s not, uh, curbside, right? No, that’s just curbside. Curbside. Oh, that’s pipe just curb. Curb. And that’s trash. Two is gonna increase, Trash two is gonna Increase. Yep. Both 300,000 or 300,000. No. So trash right now has been going up about three and a half percent a year. Year. Mm-hmm. Um, but as you, so obviously as the land landfill space reduces in the state of

41:40 Massachusetts, prices just climb and it’s, you know, it’s hard to kind of put in an exponential number to that. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, right now it’s three and a half percent, but it can start to climb really quickly. So I mean that’s, that’s why I think it’s pertinent to in find ways to, you know, increase revenue where you can Yep. And just be, you know, conscious of, of the costs. And so there was two things I wanted to bring up. Um, up one is just quick, which I think it Has to do with topics. Yeah. It’s transfer station. Yeah. Um, alright. So what Andrew told me, which I was unaware of, was that, um, mass d e p caress about the level of construction and demo in the trailer that’s

42:26 hooked up to the pit. Yeah. And it can’t exceed 20%. Correct. So ultimately when it comes down to truck sizes, it’s, it’s almost irrelevant because if you had, you know, you could take my Tacoma and if you just had a, a train of Tacomas coming in with C and d mass, d e p’s gonna be p**d if that’s all there is in it. Yep. So I mean the law is actually, there was a little, there’s a misunderstanding of the law where, um, the law is actually load size, which is five cubic yards. So just say a guideline. Yes. The F A Q is um, truck size what, um, but ultimately that object what F A Q is please frequently asked frequent Questions. Um, but ultimately what you, so this is the starting point for the c and d, you know, this 20% whatever,

43:14 it’s only gonna increase and it’s gonna make it extremely difficult. It’s gonna make costs go up. And so I know on the previous designs, um, there was a sorting floor included in one giant building. What Andrew has showed me, which I think is a very good idea and would not interfere with anything going with the plans you have going forward, is to build, um, I guess you describe it, you know, when you go on the um, highway and you might see like those sand storages for like winter sand. So, ‘cause you can’t puncture the cap. So what it would be would be almost an enclosure on top way in the back where the mulch piles are way back there, which it goes farther back than you think it’s inexpensive.

44:01 And you could use that as a ance water Now. So there’s a couple things that go with that. Yeah. I’ll let you take It over. So there’s a couple things that go along with that. Obviously we need an increase in employee, right. We’d have to look at costs. Yeah. And we’d have to make sure that it would be permitable by d e p. Yeah. Now obviously we’re in the process of phase one, if you want to call it that. We need to get our new, we need to get our scale house built. We need our compactor building rebuilt, we need our swap shop. The swap shop is immensely popular. You know, we’ve been promising that to, you know, to the talent for a very long time. And then we need to build that transaction. Right. But as we’re doing this and we can get through some of that stuff, I think it would be prudent to take a look at other ways that we can continue to generate revenue. And I think this one would be a, a big one. And as Andrew described, it’s not,

44:49 when you say sorting floor, it makes it sound like you’re sitting up there and moving materials around. It’s not, it’s taking certain materials, dumping them in a place where we can haul ‘em collectively to another site, but we get paid on it. And so, and then it’s sorted at that site. We we’re, We’re really just, again, we’re a transfer station. Yeah. So material would come in and we’d transfer it to hopefully bigger trucks. So it’s not like you’re building an industry up there or anything like that. It’s just a dumping on the, on the ground, putting it in and then hauling it up. Yeah. You, You need to look at it. So you’re doing it in the most economical, um, efficient way. Excuse Me. The, uh, comments will be after, uh, discussion. Thank you. That could be your interest on the cap cigarette. So it would be on the cap. So what you would have is those giant like cement beers that are like this wide,

45:35 you know, like as long as made two on top of each other and then a structure built on top of it so you don’t puncture the cap because you can’t puncture the cap. So, um, and yeah, it just, it would be more or less them driving around the same, you know, excavators whatever they have up there now. And that’s the biggest piece is looking at employees what they do. I mean, so we couldn’t do that today. We don’t have the employees, But, but if you do, yeah, so I think, so you’d Have to do the economics of it ‘cause it makes sense. How much material do we really feel is gonna be coming in here? Again, this goes back to the question, who do you want the to be your users of the facility? So, so to get back to, uh, what we are gonna do, that’s why you’re going to the planning board, Jamal? Yes. So what, what are the things, the items that you’re gonna discuss there?

46:21 So for the planning board, obviously we have the scale house, the comp, the compactor building being rebuilt, the um, the swap shed and the transaction booth. But really at the planning board, a lot of the discussion is gonna be on traffic flow, In traffic Flow, residential traffic coming in Green Street exiting with vent terrace, commercial traffic coming in, wood vent terrace and exiting wood vent Terrace. And this, this plan potentially Fixes everything Except for the traffic flow because I feel like, well So we Sort of, so obviously with the traffic flow, so even currently as it’s designed you have residential vehicles, you have landscaper trucks, and now you’re gonna, now we have, um, commercial businesses that have to get rid of the recycling are using that,

47:07 that entrance. I’d say that would almost be like, ‘cause you’d still be weighing up top and so you Could also look at it at load size and not even weighing too. Yeah, Yeah, exactly. So you, you could do it a lot different ways, but you’d be coming through the top and it would just be similar to like a landscaping truck coming that landscaper trucks, you know, they have to go to the back anyway and so it would just go back lift, dump up. Yeah. Just so you understand the landscaper trucks Yeah. Are are those are all coming in through Green Street. Those are gonna come in through Green Street. Yep. Alright. So I’m, I don’t, I, I feel like I’m trying to visualize this right now and it’s exciting to think of solutions. I, I just am having a hard time understanding if the c and d is coming in, it wouldn’t be coming in through Witman Terrace because it would Nope, it would be coming in through Green Streete. Okay. Yep.

47:55 I do think that’s going to be problematic because I think there was a lot of energy spent in the last year about, um, I mean I, I’m all four solutions and I’m sure anything can be solved, but Does it have to come into Green Street? Yeah. Because of the, the way the traffic’s gonna be set up with the new facility.

48:16 So I just think being sensitive to the neighborhood, which was a really important, uh, driver in making those changes to the egress and um, so I just kind of Talk about that. It’s just something thrown out, look at all of it, bring Arnold Terrace in, bring Green Street in, talk to ‘em about it. And then that’s, you know, And even when we had the original design for the building, it was never, it was always still intended as a residential transfer station. So one truck was gonna take trash. Yes. There was a sorting floor where we could, you know, take a couple 30 yard containers or take a 30 yard container, set it off the side, fill that up with some of the demolition material that comes in. We were never expecting huge loads of demo to be coming in. Right.

49:02 Where you fill in an 80 yard trailer A day and I don’t think you will still, because I think for the most part they’ll still go to Peabody, which is way bigger than this is, this is mostly just residential guy, like got local contractors similar to what you already have now or that were there prior to November. So Can I, can I ask another question? Yeah. Um, ‘cause I, I, my, I really liked and I know that there’s lots of answers to be discussed. I liked the conversation that we had about potentially to support this effort by some of our local residents to do this c and d, which is everyone’s got projects, right? Wasn’t there a discussion of having a, uh, a trailer available for that purpose in between or for a, for a specific amount of time? Two days. So the

49:49 Pro the problem with that, and I think we have some demo workers in here today, um, is that, um, when you do those jobs, so when you have those trailers, what do you, you say 14 trailers a week, and then so this would add an extra two. Yeah. Yeah. But so you, you have to pull that trailer off obviously be Tuesday morning, Thursday morning would be c Why don’t you explain that? So yeah, so as we run the operations that we can do a Tuesday morning, a Thursday morning where we switch over the trailers and take just c and d at that, during those times and that way you, you avoid putting the, Uh, sorting floor someplace else. Yep. And Because that would basically be doing the sorting Correct. You’re Just, you’re just compacting all that. Yeah, there’s no real sorting to it. You’re just taking c and d en large volumes rather than,

50:36 I don’t have to worry about the 20%. I’m filling a full trailer with C and d. Okay. And that’s going to a CD recycling particular time Of the week during Time during the week. The Problem with that is the workers have to time out everything they’re doing. So you, if you, like, if you had a trailer on the back that only holds c and d, you can only dump c and d in there. So if you had something else, you’re outta luck when you show up. And those guys uh, those trucks are their tools, so it’s can’t be like, Hey, come back tomorrow. You know, the, they’d have to go, you know, to PV or whatever, which makes things, I think, unnecessarily difficult for them because say you’re hiring someone Yeah. And you’re like, you know, what are your fees? And they say, well, if I can get into Marblehead at this time, it’s gonna cost this. If I can get into, you know, if I can’t, then you have to go to pv. It’s this. And it is, it’s a lot more if they have to drive there. Uh,

51:24 if you have the sorting floor out back, that’s obviously, you just, they can go up whenever they want. Um, and, but as you’ve seen, it’s, it’s, it’s hurt marble at businesses. So you could just, you, you know, so you could say, well, maybe we’ll just give the p v D price all the time, but then you’re giving an advantage to anyone with a smaller truck and it’s not an even playing field anymore. And so that’s where I think it, it gets a lot, it hurts some of the Companies. I think that we have a transfer station that we satisfy a lot of needs. And I think if we can’t service this particular need, which is often the future, I think that we should move on to the next topic. I mean, I think it’s something that we, you know, we’ll continue to take a look at. We’ll, again, I think the really important piece is we need to really identify who we wanna serve with this facility

52:10 And that, and that will come after you. Yeah. And that will come do these other, we can do a full kind of breakdown of looking at sticker prices, how stickers should be on vehicles, looking at passes. And I’ll have that on the agenda for next meeting. Good. Um, and just the kind of the last thing, you know, the employees that work up there work really extremely hard. They work, often work six days a week. People just need to give them respect. Mm-hmm. Just like everybody else. Um, you know, they take a lot of heat. They’re just trying to do their job. We’re just asking for respect. How can we, uh, do a better job of having that conversation with our community? That is, I, one of the things I think as a board that we could be really effective in doing

52:57 and as a department, is sharing the narrative of the transfer station as a tremendous utility to this town as an asset to this town. And I always get nostalgic because when I moved here, my mother moved with me and she’s the opposite of a hoarder. She would go to the transfer station three or four times a week. It was like our favorite thing to go get rid of things. And it’s such an outstanding resource. Right. And I, I have to say, I, I just don’t understand how people could go there and treat employees badly. That just makes me really upset because everyone there is helpful with a smile. I have a friend who said someone that works there, when the, her daughter threw a, a bag into the trash, she threw her keys also,

53:46 and someone stopped the thing and went in there and got her daughter’s keys for her. There’s really good people working there. And I would really think it would bring a lot of value to Marblehead to change the narrative around the transfer station to really have conversations with the community that this is a tremendous resource and we should value it. We should appreciate it, we should celebrate it, and we’re gonna make it the best it can be. And I think it would be really valuable for all of us to kind of find a way to, to build that story. And so that when people go there, they bring a different, well, I Think, I Mean, different Attitude. I mean, you’ve heard The costs around it, kind of put a sour taste in people’s mouths. You know, I’ll just tell you as a lifelong long resident here, I’m sure you can ask anyone here. So finding ways to fix that,

54:32 I think is the best way to move forward with and with giving people that idea. You know, giving people that feeling. And, um, you know, I think any way that you can find to, you know, reduce costs or build revenue so that you can make it so that everyone can enjoy, you know, can use it. And, you know, people on fixed income, elderly, things like that, trying to, uh, you know, move around so that they can use it is, well, you may not Realize is that the elderly can ask for an abatement of people that are un unable to. Okay. Well that’s, so now that’s, so I think that the abatement, uh, process has worked, and I don’t Think a lot of people know that. Well, that’s something we could share, you know? That’s right. I, I, um, we’ve, we, it’s always been that way. And I,

55:17 I Think you have three people in the back row that didn’t know that. Well, I, I don’t know about that. But maybe you just because you’re not in that category that you made On point, they’re, they’re here. Those three are here for that exact question. But, but again, like, you know, this, this is all part of the big sticker conversation. Mm-hmm. You know, doing abatements, how we wanna set those up, you know, what the process is for those. Um, again, you know, we’re just asking for, we wanna make sure that people treat the employees like they wanna be treated themselves. Well, but it really Upsets me to hear that that’s not occurring. Understood. But we as a community need to treat each other the way we wanna be. We have on This table. Correct. And that starts by not interrupting and listening and making sure that you treat others like you want to be treated.

56:04 Everybody needs to be paying attention to this. Saying mean things about other people is hurtful. This is very basic conversation. But we as a community need to do better about this. Is it possible to have some kind of signage? I don’t think we need signage. I think if people could just kind of lead by example and do the right thing, please. Thank you. You know, when you go out to eat a meal, be courteous to your, your server. You know, these are basic things, but we’ve gotten away from some of this stuff.

56:36 Maybe you could have some signages. You’re coming to the town. I think That’s something Marblehead cares that, that Marblehead mental health task force is under the umbrella and the banner Marblehead cares. And it really, something we talk about a lot is we really would need to get back to being caring to one another. I don’t want to lose the momentum on some of these things. So I am gonna make three separate motions. I I think that we should wait on the motions to The next time. I’m, I’m still gonna make them. I’d like to make a motion to take a closer look at the license plate reader system as opposed to stickers just to look at it. Demo. Agree. You know, look at that. Because we almost had, um, a hundred thousand difference between 2021 and 2022.

57:22 We are gonna be checking with. Uh, no, but they’re your numbers. No, They’re not. They got ‘em from the town. How can I make up numbers? Well, can you might respond to that. Well, I think, you know, obviously, you know, we’re taking a look at this year’s number, you know, compared to the numbers during Covid are, you know, COVID numbers are everybody when they’re doing economics at this point. Yeah. Covid is a different time. Um, but all, you know, when Marty and I looked at the numbers today, all we can say is an f y 23, 300 $90,000 is brought in. Yeah. And you know, obviously, and so what people need to understand with that too is that stickers are sold on a, you know, a calendar year. Yeah. So, yeah, It, it becomes a little more challenging. Fiscal year is the calendar years. So These, these are calendar year numbers and they, they are from the town.

58:07 We believe. Obviously we have people in place checking stickers. Currently we believe that we’re selling quite a few stickers. So All I wanted to do is I’m saying that the motions are not appropriate until we get a full, I’m still gonna make, Wayne, you gotta stop interrupting me. I’m, you want respect from me? You gotta give it back. You have had about 45 minutes. Yeah. This is what we do. No, this is what we talk about. This Is 45 minutes. Okay. Well, I’m still gonna make the motion that I’d like us to look into the license plate reader to look at the, Why would you state that you’d like us to pin into it? We don’t need to make a Motion. ‘cause I want it on the record. I’d like to make a motion that we look into the license plate reader because of the lost funds in the past. So we have to look at making sure that at every way possible to make sure that marble headers only are coming in because

58:55 they’re bearing the cost from the general fund, if anyone from outside of Marble Height concert. So I’d like to make to a motion to look into that. Gimme need a second? Mm-hmm. So, I, I, I second that we examined the data costs. That’s, Well, that’s, I just want, I just wanna make sure that we move with the momentum and that we, is that we examine it, we vote on it

59:31 All in favor. You have a second, first. All in favor.

59:38 So yeah, If you could just gimme that information. Yeah. Holly nailed audio. Yep. Great. Um, Mostly The other motion given Andrew’s the 20% is the real issue, um, rather than the trucks, you know, and that number’s gonna decrease. Uh, and you have someone monitoring, uh, up there Yeah. The 20% that can be C and d that Yeah. In a trailer. So that’s why I say like, when it comes down to truck size, it’s, it’s really irrelevant because you could have just like, all small trucks with c and d and we’re in trouble if the trailer gets filled up. So I’d like to make it an even playing field for everyone in town. So the motion would be that the bigger trucks could put a very distinct

1:00:23 white line in the back of their trucks indicating five cubic yards, so that whoever is, um, monitoring the pit can see that they’re not exceeding that. And I’ve talked to some of the, uh, construction demo guys too, and they’re fine with this. When whatever worker thinks that they, Hey, we’re close to that 20%, they’re done with C and d until that trailer’s moved. So we could be done with C and d for the day, for The day. So, so I can, you know, have a, like three trucks come in, they, you know mm-hmm. And obviously I understand what you’re trying to do. Yeah. But I could have it shut down for the day. Yeah. I mean, there wouldn’t be big trucks ‘cause they’d have the line, they still can’t exceed that five cubic yards. Like that’s, you know, if they’re above that, it’s like, see you later, Peabody. That’s where you go. But if they stay below that line, and then if the worker says, Hey, you know,

1:01:12 we’ve had four or five trucks in a row of, of C and d, we’re, we’re at our point until this trailer’s removed. That’s that. Because it would have to be that kind of anyway. Correct. Yeah. Like, it is like, you know, obviously if the, like, if we start to get violations and stuff like that. Yeah. Um, you know, obviously, so it Already has to kind of be an eyeball situation. So now I’m just saying a motion to make it an even playing field where those chart, if they don’t have the line, they have to have it, they’ll do it on their own. And you know, like, you know, It’s five cubic Yards. Five cubic yards. Make sure they’re all aware. And if once it we hit, hit 20%, uh, just eyeball, that’s it. That trail, You’re really pushing this. I, I think that we should postpone this as I thought, but the other, and I, I did vote with everyone because I didn’t wanna be obstructionist, but

1:02:01 I think I’m sticking to the motion. Well, I, I don’t know whether you’re, you say you wanna talk about the sorting flu and you wanna talk about 20%. I’m Just talking about the transfer station. These are the things that come up. I understand. But do, do you wanna vote on this now? I can’t vote. I’m not a voting member. Is It time? No. So obviously you guys can decide, or I, and then I have to implement it, so, you know. Yes. But I’m not sure that this is a time, I think that we are going to planning board tomorrow on the scale house, the swap shop, the compact, that the, uh, And obviously this might have to be a conversation with D E P I don’t. And the traffic. And I think that there, you’re bringing something else up, but it might have to be a conversation with D E P I ask for this to be postponed. I’m gonna keep my motion and add to it that as long as the conversation with mass d e p goes. Okay.

1:02:47 I, I agree. I think that that’s where some of the barriers to moving forward with this happened last year. There was a lot of, um, information to be gained from D e p and conversations and understanding how things are changing. And I would ask that we consider going forward, what’s, what’s next? Are we gonna make these, uh, lines on everybody’s trucks? And then D E P E P in three months is gonna be, It’s only five or six trucks. Yeah. So that could happen. And that’s why it’s imperative to look at the future. But this would be the now. And so that’s, that’s why I’m saying make it an even playing field for all the workers. But we don’t even know if we’re going to have a, a sorting for a truck. So a time of day, particular time during the week, we don’t know if we’re doing well, This could happen. This is what I’m thinking happen right now.

1:03:33 Can I understand what kind of, um, challenges that would present to the transfer station from Operationally? So obviously it’s gonna be more business. Again, not that we’ve seen a real loss in business by any means, but you’re gonna have more vehicles up there. We could potentially fill up our trailers, you know, in a relatively quick fashion during our busy times. And you only get two trailers a day. And sometimes the hard thing right now, um, all in’s been a little bit difficult. Um, summer traffic and then there’s been long lines at the facilities. And do you think that you can implement what’s being asked? I I would have to have a conversation, you know, with d e p quickly, but I, I don’t, you know. Well, Why don’t we get that information? Usually we ask you. Sure. That’s what I’m saying. Pending the conversation with the d e p, We, we can talk to them and see what they have to say.

1:04:18 Obviously they’re gonna start to really look at us and be like, mm-hmm. Why aren’t you recycling this material? Why aren’t, why aren’t they taking it to a recycling facility? Mm-hmm. That those are gonna be the bigger questions. They’re gonna start to really look at, do we need to start to crack down on c d material? So I, I think that’s just what everybody has to be aware of by us asking these questions. They might come back and say, well, we wanna be a little bit more strict with you. I just think that we are being too impetuous. We’re going to the, We only have meetings once every month. I don’t think it’s, I don’t think’s nearly enough. Well then you have to just, we, we met every week when we during the pandemic, that something you can bring up. But I, I think that we are going tomorrow to the planning board. This is what we’ve been waiting for, for Yep. Six months to a year. Yep. And let’s get this done. And, um,

1:05:07 if there’s a second on this motion, I gonna feel that I need to abstain. But Yeah. So obviously, you know, we, we have to have conversations with the E P Ss. We’re in permitting, stuff like that. They were open, they’re, you know, obviously they gave us permission to do the two trucks. Mm-hmm. If, if they start to hear that we want to do more, you know, they might say, no, you can’t do that at all. Okay. We want, we wanna, we want you to wait. And we just have to be careful this, they don’t say, yeah, we’re gonna cut off. You need to cut off all 10 on that. Now that’s, I don’t want to jump on top of this motion. ‘cause I, I’ll, I’ll just put this out there. ‘cause I said there was a third, the third motion is just for Andrew to inquire about the costs Of a, of a center. So that, Yeah. So that way when he is talking to d e p, they see we’re moving in a direction. So the cost that, that takes a long time to that motion. No, but then, but if you talk to him about this, be like, Hey,

1:05:54 also we’re looking into the costs. So they know that we’re not just trying to pile in there. We’re actually looking for a long-term solution. I haven’t even asked the question. You’ve, you’ve said all along to us that you can’t put anything on top of the, uh, where we’ve, we’ve That’s correct. So if you put this, uh, tent or whatever it’s supposed to be on top, is that even possible? So that’s something that we have to talk to the engineers and we have to talk to d e p. We can’t, so they don’t even wanna talk until you start to have an engineer on board and start to have, look at the process. So my other motion was just to start to look at it and that’s it. And so that’s why I think for my, for my second motion of just making an even playing field for the trucks, in the meantime, we can also, then my third motion would be just to start investigating what in.

1:06:43 We don’t motion For that. He’s Gonna investigate. I, I’m too, um, uninformed yet. Mm-hmm. I don’t have a full confidence and under my understanding of mm-hmm. These changes that we’re making, I think they’re exciting options because I think there’s been a lot of challenge to how do we meet these needs for c and d as well as our residents needs, which is our priority. So I would like to gratefully accept your research and say, let’s spend time learning more and having conversations before the next meeting because, so Some of it’s gonna be before the next meeting. Some of it’s gonna take a little bit longer. Yeah. Depending on phone calls and people getting back to us. Um, and then depending on like, are we gonna need to hire an engineer to really take a look at this So that, that’s, That’s,

1:07:28 Yeah. So for the structure, that is a long term, you know, that takes a while to get all that information. So, and I guess, you know, if, if I don’t need to make a motion for that, if Andrew just wants to look into that, that’s fine. Then I would just like to leave that second motion out there that we make an even playing field for the trucks and wait till, you know, 20% of each trailer so that all the workers are on playing the same game. Login. I, I really appreciate that. I think, again, I just need to really understand what that means for operationally from the transfer station, because we have a staff that’s very working six days a week. Yep. And I think it sounds like there’s risk and I, I’m really gonna do some catching up this week, but if there’s 20% of the trailer can only be filled with the C and d. Mm-hmm. We need to make sure

1:08:15 That we are Yeah. Diligent and we have it all set up to proceed successfully. So would you like, um, I can adjust it to that. We’ll talk about and make a motion that we include this on the agenda next time, so that within a month we, We don’t need to make a motion to put it on the agenda. You have to ask, you’ll be on the agenda. Okay. So it’ll be on the agenda next time. Yes. We’ve, we’ve said that from the beginning. Okay. I think it’s an important conversation. Mm-hmm. Thank you for your research.

1:08:42 So we’ll go on to, uh, the website And just the, oh, website. Um, I just want the board members to take a look at the town website for both the, he, you know, the health and Wayside, um, go through it, make suggestions on how you think it should be kind of laid out. Um, and then we can just, I took a practice. Yeah. But again, like this is just, you know, me giving you guys homework, take a look at the website, do some research, and then, you know, the, the website’s put together by the town as an individual. So obviously it’s nothing too fancy, but take a look at it and see what we can Do. This is just me. Oh, Wait minute start. Just, I, I did look at it. I, I thought you, and Again, like to make it fair, like, you know, everybody should take, you know,

1:09:28 we will review this next meeting. Um, I’m not saying I don’t want to hear this stuff, but like, really everybody should take a good look at it. Um, and I don’t think Joanne’s ready to, you know, dive into this and really, you know, make suggestions. This was just me taking a crack at it and showing you, you guys what I came up with because the, it was like almost 30 items on the left hand side, which gets very confusing. There’s tons of overlap. So I listed all of ‘em here and tried to color coordinate them a little bit. It got weird because there was so many. Um, and then what I did here was I tried to break it down. I think I got it into 11. And then when you click on those, they break down into ones that are relevant to that Topic. Because if you have a, if you have a website that’s easy to read,

1:10:15 then you, it is way more functional. You can add things to it that like, you know, uh, you know, mental health. So either just anything you want to add to it, as long as people can find it, it’s a little intimidating right now. Like even when I’m going through it and I look at a bunch, you know, I have to keep reviewing like where it is. So this is just me taking a crack at it for you guys to take a look. So you Were putting bunching them into various groups. Yeah. And then those get broken down. Um, and I did several breakouts for some of them in, if I thought, and I put little notes on ‘em. I apologize that it’s so small, but I ran outta space’s. Yep. But this is just me. This is just my opinion and it gives you kind of like a way to look at it maybe and be like, oh, I like that. I don’t like that. So maybe next time you can come back and maybe you like some Of it. And I don’t really use a lot of websites, but,

1:11:02 but I thought it was very neat and it was clean and it was, the colors were pretty and I seemed to enjoy it. But I can see if you can make it in, in groupings and make it a little easier. That’s all. It’s, it might work. Yeah. I’ll, I’ll go back and look at what you did. Thank you. Okay. So you have the director’s report, Andrew? Uh, yes. Just a couple, you know, things on the director’s report, uh, bathing beaches. So last week we had Grace Oliver’s Beach fail that’s on a different tier than all the other beaches. If I get one exceedance with that, I have to close the beach retest as soon as I have a passing water quality test that can that be back open. Okay. So it was, you know, we grabbed the sample Wednesday, we got the result back on Thursday. The beach is closed Thursday, we took another sample and we’re able to open the,

1:11:51 the beach on Friday. I just wanna make sure, you know, go over the procedures with you guys. Obviously we make notification through, uh, the town. Uh, we do a blast email when it’s closed, we go down and hang a sign. It’s actually on a, you know, on a, a sawhorse right at the front engines to Grace Oliver’s beach. So you can’t pass it. Um, and then when it gets rebuilt, backed open, it’s Friday afternoon, which is even more complicated for us. The offices are closed. So we used, um, police dispatch, um, to push out a message and stuff like that. And we removed the sign on the beaches. Well, I think we’ve been very fortunate that only one beach has been closed for one day. Correct. Um, the state website is now back open. So if you go to the town website and you collect on the, uh, bathing Beach program,

1:12:36 that can take you to the state website and it gives you all the beaches for all the mass bathing beaches in the state, as well as all the water quality readings and stuff like that.

1:12:48 Um, Maya information. Um, so Maya is the mass municipal, um, risk. It’s our insurance company. Um, they recently put out some information, so I have copies for you guys. Um, and this is just kind of a, their information on boards, co codes of conduct, a lot of really good information. So I just want to kinda pass this along from Maya. The other piece that I have for you guys, it’s kind of a, On this code, you want us to read it over? Yeah, It’s, you know, it’s an informational piece. Everybody should read it over again. It’s kind of their guidelines for risk Management. So could we put it on the agenda and it’s time? You can Put it on the Yeah, you can do that if you’d like to. Well, to just take it in front. I think it’s, it doesn’t really,

1:13:38 I don’t think I’d like us all to be on the same page. Yep. Um, and then the last thing I have is just kind of a, a cheat sheet. A cheat sheet for Robert’s rules and stuff like that. Thank you.

1:13:58 Some basic stuff, making motions, all that stuff. I read the book for nothing. Exactly.

1:14:07 A lot of good information. Thank you Andrew. Um,

1:14:13 um, and then we have flu clinics, um, coming up in September. Um, we will be posting those on the website. Um, the first is gonna be senior, uh, high dose clinics. You’re gonna have to sign up for those again, where use color, which is now the state program. So you have to pre-register for that. And then we’re gonna have employee flu clinics, um, in town employees and retirees can sign up for that. Um, we’ll post the dates. Let’s see. I have

1:14:40 Andrew, are they collecting data at the state level on R S V? So I’ll have to take a look at the R S V. Um, what are you interested in? I just, um, I know there’s vaccine for it now. Yep. And I, I’m intrigued ‘cause I, I, I just was very, very sick with a viral infection and it was for two weeks and it knocked me out and, um, I just don’t have any evidence that it was R S V, but if that is, Yeah. So obviously when you’re doing some of the research, really the best websites are c, d C to take a look at that, you know, the mass they of is gonna follow a lot of the recommendations coming down from C D C, um, and kind of follow some of that stuff. Um, but I can talk to Chasey, the public health nurse and see what other information that’s out there on R S V, see if it’s been a common No,

1:15:27 A lot of times you’ll see these things come in waves, so there’d be some increase in cases and stuff like that obviously. So for some of those, um, environmental can be a play a huge part. So the moist June that we had adds to it and then ramp it up with all the allergies that come. And so it can be kind of a double dose for some people and it can kind cut some issues. Um, so the Marblehead employee flu clinic is gonna be Wednesday, October 11th, um, from three to six. Again, we’ll set up it, since it’s an employee, um, clinic, we’ll have it a sign up for that. Um, the high dose is 65 and older for the high dose, and that’s Tuesday, September 26, uh, nine to 11. And again, we’ll have a sign up for that and that’s gonna be at the C o A building. Um,

1:16:13 but yeah, so we will have something posted on the website shortly for the high dose clinic. Um, and obviously I’m sure you can check in with, um, Lisa over at the c o a. That’s all I have. Just Well, if she was asking the R S V, uh, as far as covid, there’s still cases that There’s always cases. Covid is never gonna go away. It’s always gonna be around. Um, we still have test kits up upstairs. Um, those test kits expire September 28th. Um, we do not believe we’re gonna get any more test kits at this point. Um, you know, just something that, you know, it’s gonna be around like the flu, it’s gonna coming, But if people are in large crowds, Yeah, but I mean, obviously it’s just like flu and anything. If you’re in large pH and you suddenly become sick and you can’t figure it out, we always recommend that you tests, you know, knowing is a lot better than that.

1:17:01 And then, uh, Isolate for five Days. Yep. Follow the c d C guidelines about what to do. Um, I go from there.

1:17:10 Okay. Um, anything else from the tip of the table here? No. Joanna? No. Okay. So, um, we’ll open up a public comment. Uh, a show of hands. Hi. You were very patient in the back. Um, could you stand please, just so we can

1:17:32 street? I, I came here about the sticker, but my question is for Andrew, the recycling. She’s talking about what paper and all this. Never anything about textile. Um, yet, yet it’s against the law to throw this in the trash. That’s correct. Well, it’s not, so textiles are a waistband item. Yes. And I don’t need any more rags. It’s gotta be another solution. Bags

1:18:10 recycle, you know, textiles that you can’t, you know, donate, but you’re supposed to like make them into No. So yeah, so, so, uh, a couple things on that. So we have a huge, so if you go to Marble Light Transfer Station, uh, there’s, we use C M R K as our textile recycling. Um, we, we get paid, um, at least 5 cents a pound for, you know, for all closing and textiles. When we say rags, what we mean is that if you can no longer wear it, those, a lot of those materials can be recycled into rags. So at our garages, so Massachusetts has a big textile industry. They recycle material into rags. So we buy from, I think it’s called Lin Wiping, and they’re recycled material.

1:18:57 And so we use those in our garages as our oil rags and all that stuff. So that’s what we mean, that shirts can be recycled into rags. But yeah, we get paid for all that. We do a tremendous amount of textile recycling in this town. Understand it. Yeah. It’s sold to like, um, automobile, Automobile companies, all the clothing that gets gathered in. Um, so those get shipped off to other foreign countries that get sold on the secondhand market. There’s a huge piece, uh, we try to do advertising all the time. Um, a lot of the companies and a lot of the secondhand stores, um, are all seasonal. So right now they want people to donate all their summer wear. You know, this is what, there’s the kind of the hot items right now. This is what they want to have come in. Um,

1:19:44 in the fall after we kind of go through the fall, they want some other clothes that are fall like clothes. And it’s more that it keeps it seasonality and they group all these clothes together. Um, it’s easier for the buyers. No, I don’t mean that at all. I mean, the stuff that you cannot donate, I mean, the one sock Yeah, the one sock obviously, you know, like, like we’re talking about, um, for c and d where there’s a a 20% for a whole trailer, obviously you can throw away that one sock. Or, you know, if, if I, I’m trying to think of what, you know, if I use my shirt to wipe something and I’m like, there’s no way I’m putting this in my washing machine and I’m just gonna throw it out, that’s okay. You know, nobody’s gonna come out to you for that,

1:20:29 But you, but yes, It is on the waistband item, There is a bin at the transfer. Yes. There’s, there’s a big bin on the backhand side over in the recycling area. Um, it’s C M R key and it’s all has a Marblehead logo on it. And it’s all a big clothing bin. If you don’t have a transfer station, um, there’s several other, if you don’t have a transfer station sticker, there’s several other locations. One right by Staples in the corner there in the parking lot. There’s another area where you can recycle, uh, textiles. And also, uh, at the church and town, there’s also, and then obviously we have Magic Hat. Magic Hat does a huge amount of recycling. I think they’ve donated over a million dollars to the school. Can I ask that? Yeah, no, that’s not what I’m talking about. Magic hat. It’s not stuff that can be reused. What do we do?

1:21:16 Throw it away with our textiles that are no good. So if it cannot be used and nobody else can use a rag, throw it away. I thought you couldn’t throw it. So, so when we talk about waistbands, we want people to reuse it, recycle it, and then if you can’t do anything, you can throw it in the trash, Really a large blanket or So obviously, again, if you can, if it, if you think it can be recycled, put it in the clothes bin and they’ll decide if they can recycle it or not. She’s probably meaning if it’s soiled, but If it’s really, We don’t mean soiled in terms of dirty. I mean, I mean you cannot reuse. It’s got a hole in it or whatever. You kind of give it to Magic Hat or any place like that. They don’t want it. There has got to be. So, so C M R K will take it? Yeah, C M R K will take it from us.

1:22:06 Yeah. Yep. Okay. Can I add something to that? Yeah, You just wanna make sure it goes into a plastic bag and it’s dry and it seals and then obviously Do I have to write rag? Nope. Nope. They go through every bag and take a look at everything. So I just wanna add one more thing too. So say you have a large amount and you can’t bring it in your car. Um, C M R K on the side of that bin also has a QR code. You can scan a telephone number, you can call an information, you can email where you can set up a pickup at your home. So say you have no cost, you’re doing a clean out and someone you know has an entire home of things that they want to get rid of but don’t know how to get rid of it. They’ll clean it out. We’ll still get credit for it. Okay. So if you have a lot of items and it’s more than you can take, grab that number or give me a call. Okay. Okay. Thank you.

1:22:55 Thank you. I saw the hand earlier. Yes, please. Yeah, I got, my name’s Steve Elliott, I live with Turner Road. I got a few questions. Um, at the last meeting, there were several things that referred to you, Andrew, you were gonna look into the architect and get back to us and what were those? The trailer and a bunch of stuff. Have you done that? So obviously we talked about replacing the trailer. That’s gonna take some time and that’s gonna really be talked about Construction. Okay, so you’re, you’re working on it. So It’s at least $2,000 just from the company to replace the trailer. Alright, that, I just wanna be sure we’re going that way. Your comment about how poorly the employees are treated up there. I’ve been going to the dump when it was a dump back from the sixties when we had an open burning pit for the trash except for

1:23:42 the household trash. We used to go into the incinerator, all the brush and construction just went up against the banking. There were Arnold terraces and they’d burn it. Uh, so I’ve been going there quite a while and, and you’re right. People treat these guys like crap. It’s just pathetic. They have no clue how lucky we are to have a place we can go and get rid of all sorts of stuff at a pretty reasonable cost. I think it would behoove you to let people realize that you live in Swamp City. Where are you gonna take your stuff? You can’t, you live in Lynn is very limited. What they’ll let you take there. Salem, same thing. And you pay a tremendous amount for it. You gotta get the stickers, the purple bags. It is a huge

1:24:28 nice accessory for us as taxpayers and citizens to be able to use it. A lot of people have no clue what it is and they get up there and they think they’re entitled to do stuff. And you know, I come up there quite regularly, at least once a week I’m up there doing stuff and uh, it just always bothers me how poorly they treat everybody. A is, I wouldn’t have the patience that she has some of their abuse. They get some people that can’t throw their stuff in the little packer or why can’t Oh, it’s just, it’s unreal. The other thing that I noticed is, well, we can only get 20% in the trailer. Um, if we did have a sorting station, I’m under the impression that a whole trailer load of stuff could just go to pv. Now sometimes the trailers go to, they used to go to resco.

1:25:15 I don’t think you go there much anymore. Correct. Yeah, we still go there. Yeah, sometimes you have to go as far as New Hampshire to get rid of stuff, correct. Right. So the, the c and d has to be recycled. So it couldn’t go to a resco it, it couldn’t go to a landfill. It have to go to most likely at like North Andover, other facilities. But Now if they’re mixed in with that low 20%, so, so Ours currently, since we stayed, so the material, if we bring it to resco, I, since it’s the burn facility, I’m allowed to bring C and b as long as it’s less than 20% of low. Where do most of your trucks go? Now? Most of the time they’re trying to go to resco. But where do they end up sometime? I know they Go, sometimes they end up in, uh, Keystone New Hampshire. Yeah. Which I would’ve presume and they’re Allowed to bring C d too to Lynn is for two hours maybe with traffic.

1:26:02 Who knows if they’re going to New Hampshire, it’s three or four hours. That’s correct. So that means only one or two trailers a day can, I can only do, I can only do two trailers a day anyways. Yeah. So it, it makes it kind of tough. Yep. Um, and I have noticed that in the past, it used to be that if you wanted to dump, you either had to be a contractor from town or you had to show a building permit that you were working on something in town. So that rubbish for construction and demolition was just from town projects or town contractors. I’ve noticed numerous trucks that I see ‘em, I have property in sale, my property and land. I go around, I see these guys bringing all sorts of stuff to marble. That convenient for me

1:26:48 to take a look at who their users want to be. Yeah. Making a bit of a profit on it, I’m sure. But at the same time that means that cheap, you know how land, if you’re working on your house and your contractors ripping out your kitchen go, oh, they got the 20%. I’m gonna have to go to Georgetown or Peabody or wherever and it’s gonna add several more hours to their project and I’m not going to eat that cost. You’re gonna be eating that cost. I, I don’t know if there’s some way we can restrict it. The other thing that happens is with our transfer station, it’s just hanging on by a thread. It’s breaking down fairly regularly. Right. Marty, we have all this extra debris that’s going in there. I’d rather see town residents be able to use it as much as possible. You know,

1:27:36 we’ve been talking about new transportation for a long time, but, and I’m glad you’re looking into some of these things. Um, a comment about the website is, I know Gracie’s was just recently closed. I walked by there every morning on my walk and I saw the So Force and I checked on the town website and I checked on the state website and it still showed it is closed. But you guys had opened it and I think I heard why. It’s because Marble Head’s closed in the afternoon and that’s when you guys had opened it and you took the softwares away. That’s correct. So it’d be, and the state’s closed too, so I can’t change the deal. Yeah, I understand. Yeah. Now and I think the town website is very poor as far as you want to find something in the board of health. I don’t have too much trouble. I know a lot of people have had trouble.

1:28:23 The one in Lynn works really well. Salem works okay, but I like that you’re gonna be looking into improving it. The other thing I was interested is the swap shed. I know one weekend earlier in the spring, they got rid of over 3000 pounds. Everything that goes out of there, they weigh it. So that’s 3000 pounds that we never paid anything for. The trouble I see up there is mostly it’s older women that are running it and nothing say anything against that. You know, there’s nothing with that. But they have to take all that junk out of those trailers, put it out, put it back. It’s a lot of wasted labor. Whereas the old swap shed, we had that open thing, we put cloths in front of it. I’d like to see something happen there. So you, the plan is, it’s on the list sooner

1:29:10 Rather than later thing.

1:29:15 I think that’s probably pretty much it, but definitely agree that we have some really super people that work up there. Uh, so just want to make one comment about curbside collection and just remind everybody that there is a limit to curbside trash. So you’re limited to 2 35 gallons of trash are 1 65 gallon total. Um, it cannot be over 50 pounds. The guys have to pick these things up and technically, you know, um, big guys will generally go over that, but the OSHA does save 50 pounds and stuff like that. Um, but as far as the recycling goes, so recycling cannot be in a plastic bag. As soon as there’s a plastic bag, it’s gonna get left behind. We use rejection stickers, then we’ve run out of ‘em. We will be purchasing more, JM will be using these.

1:30:01 So I just want to remind the board that this, you might hear, start to hear all this. So Can the, can the plastic bag go into the, uh, container? No. So you, so your recycle, your recycling has to be loose in your container and The recycling bag, but the trash can be in a bag. The, the trash has to be in a bag with the type fitting, fitting away. The recycling can be o in an open container. The issue that we have with open recycling containers that on windy days we get a lot here, we often see recycling going down the street. That is the responsibility of the homeowner until it gets in the back of the truck Now. And and what are you doing with the stickers now? So the stickers go to j r m. So if they come to a house where there’s too many bags of trash, they’re gonna take what they, what’s allowed the 65 gallons and then they’re gonna leave a rejection stickers

1:30:49 saying you are over. I can’t take less. So they have three, uh, yeah, if they have 3 35 gallon containers of trash, they have to leave that, that third. And, and what do large families do? They just, We’re all equal for homeowners. You know that, that’s the whole reason why you buy a facility sticker. You bring your extra material up there. So you, and that, you know, that’s the Solution. That is the solution. Yep. That’s the solution. Yes, sir. Um, my name is Tom Day, um, live on Stony Brook Road and I’m very encouraged to hear that, um, you’re going before the planning board tomorrow across our fingers. Um, so my, I have two questions. Um, one is, what happens, um, if everything is approved, what are those next steps for the ultimate new transfer station?

1:31:38 Uh, so obviously, wait, Secondly, um, are there other administrative hurdles that we have to overcome beyond the planning board? Uh, so Mass, d e p. So we, our permits in with mass d e p for the facility. Um, we’ve had great, you know, discussions with them. We don’t see any reason why the permit would be rejected. Um, and then, um, so once we get through the planning board, that once we get through the planning board, the architects will come back to us and say, all right, you have an approved plan. We need, you know, we need to come to an agreement about taking those, you know, designs and bringing them all the way to, um, spec for putting out to bid. Um, so we’ll have a discussion about that. They’ll get all the documents ready to put it out to bid. We want to put it out to bid. Um, you know, the idea was September,

1:32:24 October and try to get this under construction before wintertime.

1:32:31 Okay, thank you. Anyone else? So before we adjourn the meeting, um, I think there’s some hands on mine. Yeah. Oh, sorry. At least one. Sorry, we’re getting to you. Apologize, Sean. You should be able to unmute yourself and ask a question. Yeah. Uh, just a quick question. At the beginning of the meeting, um, there was a discussion about the chair’s, uh, sticker status and so forth. Um, and one of the members, I think it was Tom mentioned an email that was, uh, sent to him by mistake and then forwarded, um, how do I get a copy of that email? I want to talk to my lawyer and get an attorney, get a copy of that.

1:33:17 The forwarded email from the chair Forwarded email. So you can contact our office and we’ll, we can talk to you about that. It should be, it should be public. It should be public information though, correct? That’s correct. Yep. All right. So, so I don’t need, need my attorney. So where can I, should I go into Witt Road and get that copy of that email? No. So you wanna con contact Kyle up at the Abbott Hall and do a freedom of information request for that. And how long does that take? Uh, 10 days. Thank you very much. Yep. Anything else? That’s it. Thank you. Have a good night.

1:33:55 And

1:33:58 Sean, could you put your hand down too? I think you’re the only person. And that’s it.

1:34:09 Okay. So, um, before we adjourn our next meeting, I did say earlier it was September 12th at seven 30, and I want a motion for adjournment.

1:34:20 I’ll make a motion to adjourn. All in favor? In favor.

1:34:31 Thank you everyone for your time.