School Committee

School Committee: May 19, 2021

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Marblehead School Committee held a special emergency-posted meeting to align the district's masking policy with new DESE guidance issued earlier that week. The committee debated language drafted by legal counsel John Foskett, ultimately voting 5-0 to exempt students from masking requirements when outdoors on school property and to limit the adult outdoor mask requirement to school hours only. Discussion of lunch distancing, singing guidance, and a proposal to allow the superintendent to make future policy changes in response to DESE guidance were deferred to the following evening's regular meeting.

#school-budget Lead ▶ 6 min

Committee votes 5-0 to update outdoor mask policy, exempting students; adults limited to school hours

Revised DESE guidance triggered debate over adult masking at non-school events, mask breaks, lunch distancing, and singing before a unanimous vote.

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The sole substantive agenda item was a revised school masking policy drafted by legal counsel John Foskett to incorporate new DESE guidance. Key provisions as voted:

  • Masks required for all individuals inside school buildings and on school transportation.
  • Students exempt from masking outdoors on school property even when social distancing cannot be maintained.
  • Non-student adults must wear masks outdoors on school property during school hours when social distancing cannot be maintained (the phrase “during school hours” was added by the committee over Foskett’s draft, which had omitted it).
  • Language requiring mask breaks to occur outdoors with maximal distancing was struck.
  • Language requiring PE, choir, singing, brass/woodwind, and musical theater to occur outdoors at a minimum of 10 feet distancing was also struck.

Key debates:

  • Committee members Sarah Fox and Megan (last name not captured) raised concern that Foskett’s draft, by removing the “outside school hours” exception, would effectively require adults at weekend soccer games and similar events to mask outdoors — the opposite of the committee’s intent.
  • Chair noted Foskett believed the operative phrase “when social distancing cannot be maintained” provided adequate flexibility; the committee disagreed and added “during school hours.”
  • Lead nurse Deanna McMahon raised concerns about outdoor lunch, high school students eating in close proximity, and singing/band, noting those activities are higher-risk. The committee agreed that lunch distancing would remain unchanged under current practice (not altered by this vote) and that singing guidance had not changed per a call with the commissioner that day.
  • MIAA had voted to allow outdoor sports unmasked; indoor sports had tiered guidance.
  • A proposal to allow the superintendent to update the policy in line with DESE guidance without a committee vote was raised but deferred to the next night’s meeting.

“All other individuals who are not students must continue to wear masks outdoors on school property during school hours when social distancing cannot be maintained.” — policy language as voted

Vote: 5–0 in favor.

Chair (School Committee) · Sarah Fox (School Committee member) · Megan (School Committee member) · Emily Baron (School Committee member) · Sarah Gold (School Committee member) · David Harris (School Committee member) · Deanna McMahon (Lead Nurse) · John (Superintendent/Dr. Bucky referenced) · John Foskett (Legal Counsel, referenced)

#admin-housekeeping ▶ 0 min

Chair explains 48-hour posting requirement that delayed special meeting

Legal counsel confirmed the committee could not convene an emergency meeting on shorter notice, requiring a full 48-hour public posting.

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The chair opened the meeting at 7:05 PM and explained that when new DESE guidance was released, the committee initially hoped the superintendent could implement changes directly. After consulting with the Massachusetts Association of School Committees representative and legal counsel, the committee was advised it could not hold an emergency meeting and needed to post for the full 48-hour notice period. The chair thanked the town clerk for accommodating the last-minute posting on Monday evening.

Chair (School Committee) · Town Administrator (referenced)

#public-comment ▶ 45 min

Residents ask about lunch distancing, singing guidance timeline, and spectator masking

Three residents spoke during a second public comment period opened by a 5-0 vote after the policy vote.

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Three residents addressed the committee:

  • Emily Dewitt, 154 Atlantic Avenue: Expressed appreciation for the vote unmasking students at recess and athletic play but asked about the status of outdoor lunch distancing and called for clearer leadership communication.
  • Unnamed resident (music teacher context): Asked how quickly the committee could act if DESE updated its singing guidance, noting only 18 days remained with students. The chair committed to calling her first if guidance changed. The chair also noted the choir/singing 10-foot distancing language had been struck from the policy.
  • Andrew Kramer, 7 Clifton Avenue: Asked whether spectators at outdoor school events would need to mask; the chair confirmed that under the “during school hours” language, weekend games would not require adult masking.

A second public comment period was opened by a 5-0 vote after the main policy motion passed.

Emily Dewitt (Resident, 154 Atlantic Avenue) · Andrew Kramer (Resident, 7 Clifton Avenue) · Resident at mic (music teacher) · Chair (School Committee) · John (Superintendent, responding to singing guidance question)

1 decision
  1. Approved updated mask policy: students exempt from outdoor masking on school property; non-student adults must mask outdoors on school property during school hours when social distancing cannot be maintained; language about mask breaks during PE, choir, and woodwind/brass instruments struck from policy
2 votes
  • in favor (5 to 0) Accept policy changes as written by legal counsel John Foskett with addition of 'during school hours' language for adult outdoor masking requirement
  • in favor (unanimous) Open second public comment period
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0:05 i am just getting us live onto youtube so just bear with us

1:02 okay emily i just sent you the streaming link

2:12 we’re just working through some technical difficulties sarah fox can you hear me

2:20 yes i just asked is david not joining us this evening he is okay

2:30 john can you hear me okay emily can you hear me

2:39 yes i can okay you should have the link for the youtube if you could post that please yeah it’s all set okay awesome thank you

3:48 sarah fox can you hear me okay

3:57 i can’t see megan it looks like her screen doesn’t work

4:09 no all right there we go all right can everyone see and hear me yes okay great all right hopefully we are still live on youtube yes it says we are um we have all members of the school committee present and i will call us hold on a second james are you there where i can give you permission

4:41 all right i’m not hearing from them so i will call us to order at 705.

4:48 the first order or the um yeah the first order of business is public comment um so if anyone wants to make public comment please raise their hand i use the raised hand function and i will call on you um i just wanted to fill everybody in a little bit on the process that we’ve had to go through the past couple of days but i know it was frustrating to some people because when the new guidance came out we were hopeful that it could just be enacted by dr bucky and then i reached out to our mafia massachusetts school committee rep and to just make sure with her she said no um that because we do have the policy we did need to call a meeting um she said to check with legal to see if we could

5:35 make it as a as an emergency meeting and legal said no that we could not make it as an emergency meeting which meant that we needed to post for the uh full 48 hours so that brings us to this evening um i appreciated the the town clerk and their flexibility on monday evening um you know to sort of putting putting this posting through at the at the last minute for us so that we could pull this off this evening so i don’t see any hands-free so i will take us um into our only order of business for the evening which is uh our math policy um so in everyone’s dropbox we did receive edits to the math policy uh further edits from our one from last

6:23 week we did um dr bucky had the good sense to send it off over to legal and legal weighed in and and all of the red lining and the red editions um are what what our legal is suggesting our policy reflect after this evening so i will read off some of the the more important you know there’s a few words tossed in here and there about updated guidance but what is being suggested given the new guidance from desi is that masks must be worn by all individuals inside school buildings including all schools and the school district central offices and on school transportation students are exempt from masking requirements when outdoors on

7:09 school property even when social distancing cannot be maintained all other individuals who are not students must wear masks outdoor on school property when social distancing cannot be maintained individuals attending school-sponsored events that do not occur on school property are subject to masking requirements applicable to that property

7:32 further down on our policy um where the mask breaks come in um there’s a little bit taken out of which ideally occur outdoors

7:44 and then the during physical education classes choir singing um brass woodwind instruments or musical theater all of which occur well outside at a minimum of 10 feet physical distancing between individuals is all struck um so that’s what legal weighed in with um

8:08 thoughts from the committee sarah and then megan so i will say when i read this as it was presented as you just read it i was really really surprised to to read certain aspects because last week it seemed that it was the will of the committee um to do away with the mass requirement on school property outside of school hours and the way this is written now puts that back in so if you’re an adult at a soccer game on saturday um you need to wear a mask again and so i just want to make sure work that everyone’s clear that this was the intent that they were looking for that everything we passed last well the bulk of what we passed last

8:53 thursday has been negated so like lacrosse town soccer all of that on our property on the weekends according to this new mask as a policy as you just presented it we just put those masks back on people megan megan so i’m just looking at that again because that was one thing that kind of stuck out to me too sarah um because it does say here all the individuals who are not students must continue to wear masks outdoors on school property so i would agree you know there’s two things one is looking at the death guidance it does say that adults must still wear masks but i guess the way i understood that is that it would be during school hours not out of school hours

9:40 um so i don’t necessarily agree with the dusty guidance personally but my understanding is we cannot be less respect restrictive than desi guidance we can be more but not less so it sounds like they you know during school hours adults most wear masks but i would say that we should i would like to see this modify it so that it’s only during school hours just when you’re reading through that again with the mass brake piece um it says during mass brakes which during mass brakes with a minimum of six feet of physical distance but if they’re outside do they still require that six feet distance

10:25 so that was one of my questions too uh and that we we actually do have this on the agenda for tomorrow night’s meeting as well so i think if we decide to pass major parts of this today and then we can come back to it tomorrow um so that’s a good thing but that was one of my questions earlier today as i read through it is do we even need that mask break section anymore because it seems silly um you know the guidance says inside you’ve got to have a mask on outside you don’t period so that’s that um so that’s from that’s where my thinking is on that so i would suggest we strike that completely and then i agree with you megan that um i would like to see it

11:11 with the adult piece and with the guidance as silly as it seems um that it reads that we sort of keep that language for the adults in as during school hours right so the only thing about the mass break though is that and not that i think this is going to happen often but if there’s a rainy day and the kids are inside you still want them to have the ability to take their mask off at some point during the day right so you just have to make sure that that is covered in this policy right because if they’re inside all day they’re going to need a mass break right so it’s just making sure that the language

11:57 um did anybody actually call legal i mean i made this i’m sorry it’s sorry um for the screaming in the background but um did anybody actually speak to legal i’m assuming that would have been sarah gold and or john bucky and tell them what our intent was because it seems like the intent of what we’re looking for was completely missed here because we made this more stringent so i just want to know where the disconnect is i actually am not reading it that way i think when social distance can’t be maintained is the operative phrase there but if you want to reword it i was clear with john foskett that we wanted to make sure that adults

12:42 adults adults during non-school hours did not have to be masked and so if you feel that this language does not reflect that i i’m willing to take it back to him i think i’m reading it differently and so i didn’t have that take but if the committee is seeing that it seems more stringent then we’ll have him revise it yeah i mean because it i mean it’s to me it’s clear as a bell all individuals who are not students must continue to wear masks outdoors on school property when social distancing cannot be maintained and he actually went as far as to strike the language that we had put in that said like that that made the exception outside of school hours so the fact that

13:28 he went as far as to strike that language makes this pretty clear and i just want i just you know i know we need to come up to date with where the state is but i actually think this is more stringent than what the state release so i just i want to make sure that we’re clear on what we’re approving i think it’s i don’t know that it’s more stringent than what the state released um i actually think it other than missing that those few little words it reflects what the state released um i do think we should add those words back the during school hours um i was just looking at it i need to pull it up again we provided that to john based on your meeting last week and

14:14 as our legal counsel he struck that so i i don’t think that the intention was to do away with what the committee wanted but he felt that the language that was proposed he wanted changed i’m willing to take it back to him and say it feels more stringent to the committee and they want it to be more open can we just be like clear with him that the goal is to meet what the state guidance is therefore you know we don’t want on saturday and sunday adults you know who we have vaccine 70 vaccination rate in our town we actually provided him the state guidance so he had that as he was developing it emily emily so i think um

15:00 i can understand where maybe he got confused um the are legal just because the way he wrote it is the state guidance and we added something so if we took down the signs that are all over our school properties when school is out of session people won’t be wearing masks you know what i mean so that’s where maybe i think he might just be confused because we have where matt you know mass required signs all over all our properties so if those were taken down people wouldn’t be needing to wear masks right so i think there might just be some confusion with the way we’re set up right now and what he must think i definitely think there’s confusion but the problem is the signs

15:46 are there to notify people of the policy the signs don’t set the policy we set the policy and we’re voting on this policy which says they need to wear a mask but this doesn’t say after school hours this says at all times it says look all other individuals who are not students must continue to wear masks outdoors on school property when social distancing is not maintained if you don’t clarify yeah that it’s only during certain times it’s it’s all the time that’s the way the law works so we need to understand our policies before we vote them i would simply suggest that we add back on school grounds during school hours

16:38 i think john’s work around was when social distance couldn’t be maintained i think he thought that that was the operative phrase that people could make decisions not to wear a mask if they thought that they were maintaining the distance for adults for adults they do need to maintain social distance or they need to put a mask on yes period period yeah on school property yeah

17:18 no i’m saying non-school related right that’s where i think non-school related activities right and that’s where i think confusion is with what this this what he put in the policy can we just change the wording to say yes yes i think so okay yes

18:02 okay so what it will read is masks must be worn by all individuals inside school buildings including all schools and the school district central offices and on school transportation students are exempt from wearing students are exempt from masking requirements when outdoors on school property even when social distancing cannot be maintained all other individuals who are not students must continue to wear masks outdoors on school property when social distancing can be maintained cannot be maintained so okay so it needs to read all other individuals who are not students must continue to wear masks outdoors on school properties during school hours when social distancing cannot be maintained

18:47 so that’s and then can you just clear this by legal and get their sign off and then revoke this again tomorrow because it i’m concerned that he struck this i i’m just i’m on i i would prefer to hit our ducks and row on this first um so i don’t think there’s a reason that we don’t need to vote this this evening i think we can vote it and we only need to revoke it if there if there’s an issue and we need to correct modify it correct yeah and i would like to reach back out to john and get or and maybe it’s actually you john get a little clarity on the mask break piece so that we can really have that um buttoned up as well

19:32 our lead nurse deanna mcmahon has her hand up and i’m inclined to motion to listen to what she has to say sure i can allow deanna to speak on this one she’s a resident expert i just want to ask when i was looking at a lot of information today online yeah are we considering the older kids like the high school students not adults

19:58 when we’re talking about this non-mask we’re talking about adults and we’re saying that adults have to be masked when they’re outside if they can’t maintain six feet but i also feel like students of high school age are also adults in some ways so i just had to put that out there so i believe if i’m reading the guidance correctly it’s non-student adults who are non-students

20:31 yeah so if for our high school students that are you know 18 19. we have high school students up to 21. this policy the way it reads will not be required to be masked and we’re talking about vaccinated or unvaccinated correct yeah there’s no stipulation so even unvaccinated individuals do not need to be socially distanced or masked according to this policy correct students no longer have to wear masks when outdoors

21:20 that’s what the guidance reads and that’s i think what our policy is the changes to the policy is reflecting deanna did you have a comment on that that you wanted to bring to the table well i just feel like some of the things that i read today it’s really based on this no mask outside um

21:41 if you can’t be more than six feet away i i understand it as you should be vaccinated and we all have to have this honor system of who’s vaccinated and who is not and that’s just not going to be something that we’re going to be able to figure out so um i just think it puts us in a kind of a predicament there’s a bit of a predicament because i feel like the high school students should be treated like adult age people because they have the ability to pass covet on to each other the same way adults do younger kids do not in research it states that they don’t transmit the coven 19 to one another in the younger grades and i just consider the older kids to be a little more at risk our numbers are beautiful in marblehead okay i i’m very happy with how the numbers are going and i’m not i’m i really don’t consider myself an alarmist

22:28 however i just find this to be a a little bit of a very gray area and i find it difficult because um it just like many things covet doesn’t fit into a certain box so that’s just my concern there that’s all i think that that’s been the contradictory things coming out of deci all during the pandemic that there were capacity limits on places except schools and suddenly schools were these magical places that were different so you couldn’t have indoor gatherings of a certain size but a school could and they did not differentiate student in say 18 or younger or adult students and sarah fox is absolutely correct our special education students are entitled to be in the building until they’re 22.

23:16 so we have students as old as 22 that are still called students

23:26 correct right and we’re talking about being outside we’re not talking about masking on the inside we didn’t

23:40 i don’t think david was speaking i think it was a la i think there was a lag okay um just one more thing i just my concern is when we get closer than six feet i would be happy if we could put something in there that we were saying that everyone could be unmasked as long as we were still at 60. but i think yeah i think that’s where the guidance is differing um that it doesn’t matter whether you’re closer than six feet as long as you’re outdoors it does not matter whether you’re closer than six feet and that um there’s no quarantining um due to any of this as well right so then pieces that stick in my mind are i have the coral people that are asking about singing and then i have um also the band and then i think about high school lunch a lot of us eat

24:26 outside at high school lunch so if we’re going to tell the kids they could be outside no mass closer than six feet then they’re going to be eating lunch closer than six feet and then i see that as a problem because eating is a high risk behavior so there’s a lot of little nuances i think we got to really look deeply at that’s all

24:45 i guess i’m struggling because jesse’s guidance doesn’t look deeply at that and i think where i’m really struggling with dusty’s guidance is that they’ve cordoned off adults as not being able to be outside whereas everywhere else adults can be i mean you know fenway park is going to have a bunch of adult 35 000 adults sitting next to each other next weekend um drinking and cheering and eating and you know so i think some of these things there’s a disconnect between some of these things that i’m not exactly sure given the research and given you know where the state is headed that it’s that outdoors is really a thing

25:33 everything that i read on outdoors right now is that the transmission at most is a risk of about it’s like 0.1 percent but then you got to put in the behaviors of eating eating is a higher risk um singing is a higher risk and i don’t know a lot of information about as far as band and all those things go but i believe those are considered higher risk and i’m just letting you know people are asking questions about those things and so i want to try to if we can button those up over the next couple of days too yeah and i don’t know am i being heard can you hear me yeah i think once again that’s indoors just this came down this started with the governor i believe on monday right the governor made his announcement that effective tuesday

26:21 her her state guidelines that came from you see guidelines that basically if you’re outside during recess and youth sports are outdoors no masks then m-i-a-a took a vote on tuesday the public can’t hear anything david saying

27:07 it’s a delay [Music] the masks are not required when you’re playing masks are not required when you

27:44 okay david’s gonna leave it and leave and come back in but i think basically what you’re saying is that all of these other

27:57 can sarah can you hear me okay that all of these other actors i can hear you it’s just david’s not coming through it’s like a 90s cell phone yeah so all of these other activities are being allowed without masks and you know that have been identified as higher risk in the past and so again i think it seems as though

28:22 outdoors is a is a really important piece to this and that’s again that’s the research that i read as well megan but the sports will be allowed unmasked as well according to miaa right so um i totally take diana’s point and i think it’s a valid point um but i think even those other activities according to the guidance are allowed unmasked at this point they are there was a call with the commissioner today and i can forward this updated information to deanna but um singing guidance has not changed woodwind guidance has not changed but outdoor classrooms and recess there’s no quarantine necessary and secretary sutter’s is getting ready to come out and say they’re not going to do close

29:08 contact tracing either even if someone has come into contact with somebody who is diagnosed as covet positive so again like everything during the pandemic this is evolving and the commissioner just updated us today on that recess guidance and so outdoor classrooms is the same thing that they’re getting ready to say no quarantining or close contact for your outdoor classrooms so just so i’m clear sports are allowed they are banned in course is not they have guidance for it outside certain distance apart

29:48 beyond the fact that that seems completely ridiculous i mean like if you have a ball in your hand you’re safe but you if you have a clarinet you’re dangerous like i’m sorry that is just

30:05 it’s ludicrous no disagreement sir ludicrous so what about indoor sports so are policies staying indoors but miaa is saying indoor sports like wrestling mask off so there are hierarchies of sports so the eea distributed guidance and then miaa went in line with that guidance on tuesday and so there are tiered sports that some are more dangerous than others sir all right so they’ll be nice deanna you’ve got your hand back up oh sorry sarah okay so with the distancing so we have a group of five 16 year olds sitting having lunch hip to hip on the bench

30:50 you know for half an hour one of them pops positive you know that later that night we’re not going to contract trace that because they were under the magical umbrella of the schools but if they had been across the street eating in the parking lot at like the bank the magical umbrella is gone and now we’re going to contact trace those kids i believe that they’re going to eventually get rid of contact racing altogether i spoke to tracy at the board of health and i do believe that that’s going to be going goodbye okay honestly i just want i just i don’t buy into the magical umbrella idea right or the magical clarinet i would love to just keep lunch at six feet we can have our mass off they can leave their mass off outside this bunch in

31:36 high school is outside but i’d like there may be to be a stipulation in there that we still want those kids eating at six feet emily has her hand up yeah emily go ahead um so that i was just going to say um what deanna said none of this talks about eating um and it’s strictly recess is what the guidance said in sports um so when the younger kids eat outside they’re still going to be distance i don’t think that’s being taken away so i think we say lunch no matter what grade you’re in you have to be distant but if you’re outside i don’t know when older kids go outside in those grades but they don’t you know they don’t have recess but they don’t need to be missed

32:22 but i agree that lunch should continue to be distanced

32:30 outside or inside her at this point do we know what we’re voting on or should we bring this to our attorneys and come back with a clear thing to vote on tomorrow because i mean we’ve changed the six ways to tuesday i don’t think we i think we’d have only really suggested in addition to john faskett’s changes the one the the wording during school hours uh for the adults the rest is sort of in discussion um um so the six-foot launch didn’t just get put in no we’re discussing it and i guess i’m just some uh i’m i’m really struggling with putting any um

33:26 so i think maybe what we can do this is what i’m going to propose is that um we vote the changes that we’ve discussed and that we also then go back to john foskett and ask about the addition of during school hours for the adults make sure that that’s okay and then we ask about we clear up for tomorrow evening the mask break piece and then we clear up lunch and then i would actually like to suggest an additional addition to this that i think would also need to go through fosket is that in order to avoid

34:13 lags in our policy particularly as we head into the summer months and it can be harder to to get a quorum and we do we are going to have students in our buildings during the summer that we allow for wording to be added to this policy that would allow for the superintendent to make changes to the mask policy as directed by deci guidance until the school committee can can meet to vote on said guidance

35:04 i’m just going to reiterate i i feel like went to legal we got a written policy from them it didn’t meet what we were looking for we just played a lot of wordsmithing we put some things in we think we’ll put some things in tomorrow like i would really just like a finalized policy to vote on so that we know what we’re voting on i i feel this is very unorganized and discombobulated right now to be perfectly honest um i disagree i i’m you know i think we’re discussing policy changes you know it didn’t go through the subcommittee so this these types of conversations would usually occur at the subcommittee level and then be brought to the school committee but in the interest of time that’s not what we did this time around

35:51 so you know we’re we’re making the sausage we’re watching it be made so you know i i really do not want to leave this meeting tonight not changing anything in our current policy um i would again i will actually ask for a motion to accept the changes that are outlined on the policy by john foskett with the addition of during school hours as discussed earlier

36:34 david or david or megan or sir you are not unmuted david can you hear me now sarah fox can you hear me now

36:49 just we have a very unstable connection tonight for some reason in the school so sorry about that so there’s been a motion can i get a second

37:04 [Music] [Music] okay through the sure yes i would just support that you make uh that you vote this evening because it will be very unfair to our student athletes to have to wait another day to be able to operate under the miaa guidance and although there may be some changes that you want to make tomorrow night it will enable those games for them to have a level playing field tomorrow

37:37 and i would agree with that but also for recess tomorrow i think it’s going to be a nice opportunity to allow recess to take place outside without masks that’s part of what we heard i heard recess and athletics outdoors and then if classes outdoors or some sort of activities being held outdoors that’s included um sort of activity is being held outdoors that’s that’s included

38:12 and just to clarify we’re passing this at no distancing for lunch um in disregard to what nurse mcmahon proposed correct we’re following the dusty guidance yeah yeah i wouldn’t want to characterize it as disregarding anybody’s there’s all kinds of opinions here and we followed covet on the way up and we’re following covid guidance on the way out and the guidance has been brought forward to us by you know people way above my pay grade that have all kind of i think we just lost you you know

38:57 lost me again yeah deanna raised her hand again yeah deanna i didn’t see anything on dusty’s guidance that said anything about lunch they talk about outside but i didn’t see anything that specifically said including eating lunch outside so i don’t think that desi’s covered lunch in what i’ve read does somebody else see something different than i do i have not seen lunch mentioned in deci’s guidance i’ve seen that when you’re outdoors you can have your mask off regardless of distance and regardless of activity just running around at recess and and playing sports is unmasked um and there and that that is specifically stated

39:46 lunch is stationary and you’re sitting with the same people for more than 15 minutes closer than six feet if you don’t have a uh a distance guidance that’s where just where i’m coming from correct

40:01 i believe desi specifically spoke their language was specifically to recess an outdoor gym so there would be no change to lunch we would follow what we’re currently doing so keep the distance at lunch yes i’m not hearing a call to ignore distancing at lunch because we know it’s going to be unmasked and we’ve been very successful with what we’ve been doing the one lunch will be that they can just keep their masks off we don’t have to have them put them back on so because at school we’re saying have your mask off while you’re eating but when you’re done eating put it back on so if you can be outside without your mask on that’s great but we want you at six feet and you can eat yes

40:48 and we’ll check on that um tomorrow before tomorrow’s meeting i’m uh i’m fine with that um you know i think we have dusty guidance but obviously deanna’s you know a valuable resource for us as well and i think you know that’s a happy medium to move forward so we can at least the recess and the gym and the sports and other outside activities we can move forward on okay so sarah can you read just that red portion that we’re amending and what we’re voting on for clarification because it’s changed if it’s changed i think for a third or fourth time now so masks must be worn by all individuals inside school buildings including all schools and the school district central

41:36 offices and on school transportation students are exempt from masking requirements when outdoors on school property even when social distancing cannot be maintained all other individuals who are not students must continue to wear masks outdoors on school property during school hours when social distancing cannot be maintained individuals attending school-sponsored events that do not occur on school property are subject to the masking requirements applicable to that property and then the further down striking the the piece in the mask breaks which will be preferably outdoors which ideally occur outdoors and with maximal physical distancing and then the statement about during physical education classes

42:23 chorus choir singing brass woodwind instruments or musical theater all of which must occur outside with a minimum 10 feet of physical distancing between individuals okay so we didn’t include lunch today we’ll talk about john foskett and maybe do it tomorrow is this concept but as of what we’re voting right now lunch is free they can they can do whatever they want tomorrow according to what we’re voting i i’m not trying to be a stickler but a policy is a legal document and we need to make sure it’s saying what we want

43:03 okay okay yes i think so

43:09 i think the policy says when outdoors doors no can’t hear me i don’t know what’s up sorry okay there’s a delay so go ahead not a word of what he’s saying can be heard all right so i have a motion and it’s seconded um i think we have what we need to ask for for tomorrow um tomorrow’s meeting to be discussed um i would also like everybody to think about the proposition that i put forward of allowing the superintendent to make changes until the committee can

43:55 um call a meeting and find a quorum and call a meeting but that’ll be discussed tomorrow evening as well and we can run that through legal as well so i will call for a roll call vote sarah gold yes emily barron yes sarah fox yeah yeah i still don’t know like okay there still is no clarification because you didn’t answer my question i’m just going to let it go at this point but we’re voting well there’s emotion on the table with the and i what is the motion that we accept the changes as defined as as written by john foskett with the addition of the during school hours which is what i just read okay so

44:41 when john and deanna and emily said with the man with at lunch that’s not on the table that’s not what we’re voting on we’re not doing lunch not today correct unless someone wants to move to a men’s emotion

45:23 all right that motion passes five to zero

45:31 thank you everyone and that leads us to the end of our meeting and so i will join us at there were more hands up by motion for public comment oh i’m sorry i didn’t see any hands up um okay so sarah has motioned for public comment uh can i get a second does anybody want a second public comment

46:01 oh second okay emily second all right sarah gold yes emily baron yes sarah fox yes david harris

46:14 david is saying yes and megan

46:21 yes yes so our video’s working but not our audio for some reason okay all right um emily dewitt i see that you have your hand raised um can everyone please state their name and address for the record as well

46:38 emily do it go ahead hi emily duet 154 atlantic avenue um thank you for holding this special meeting tonight first off um i i’m just so lost um and confused but i think i’m happy that you all just voted um in agreement to unmask our kids at recess and during athletic play um following science fair and deci and the cdc um i just have a question if lunch is coming up as a second topic sorry go ahead go ahead um i’m just asking a question

47:25 what is the difference between our kids gathering to play a sport where they will come into contact with each other unmasked and sitting down not on top of each other to eat lunch outdoors i i just don’t see how this is up for debate right now i don’t i don’t see it the data’s not there to support it nationally and within marblehead we’re not at risk we’re moving in the right direction but why are we on this snag right now amongst the committee members where it seems like there’s mass confusion amongst you and there’s more out here and i just want to say we need clarity right now because

48:11 there’s a lot of miscommunication and there’s a lot of infighting and we need leadership to be able to clarify it from the top down so i hope that you can do that for us thank you

48:31 hi sarah um i was just wondering when because i have a good feeling that desi is going to change the um singing guidance soon um and so when that happens um will we be notified right away so because we only have 18 days left with the kids and i am just dying um to do some meaningful singing with them um so i’m just wondering what the what will happen when jesse announces that how long will we have to wait through the trip john go ahead during the call with the commissioner today i’m just reading directly from the notes uh singing guidance working with doctors but understanding now that kids can be outside without mask we’d still recommend distancing there are no

49:19 changes inside that he is aware of so that was his update for schools and singing today eileen okay thank you i’ve heard that there’s talk in deci that it will be changing soon so if it did let’s say on friday they made an announcement how long would we have to wait until we could make that change like if they changed the distancing from 10 feet to 6 feet which is my hope what would how would that work how would we be informed that we could do that through the chair you have my commitment that you will be the first person i call oh thank you that’s awesome thank you so much and we did strike that piece just as we just voted um about um about the the peace with choir and

50:05 singing in it um so as far as i read our policy that i do not think that it’ll be an issue of needing to call an additional meeting um emily i will read the what we what we just voted on um just for clarity’s sake so masks must be worn by all individuals inside school buildings including all schools and the school district central offices and on school transportation students are exempt from masking requirements when outdoors on school property even when social distancing cannot be maintained all other individuals who are not students must continue to wear masks outdoors

50:41 during school hours on school property when social distancing cannot be maintained individuals attending school-sponsored events that do not occur on school property are subject to the masking requirements applicable to that property uh andrew kramer i’ve got to see your hand up next hi andrew kramer 7 clifton avenue so attending a game or an event as a spectator i don’t have to wear a mask i believe that is what they’re doing that’s what we’re going for once we put in outside school hours you’re safe as long as it’s not like a midday game which i don’t think they have i don’t think you wrote it that way but okay

51:28 we did we added the during school hours sure thank you

51:34 all right i do not see anybody else’s hand raised so i will adjourn us at 7 52 and again this is on the agenda for tomorrow so we can continue to discuss and make any tweaks and changes as necessary thank you everyone

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