School Committee: October 14, 2022

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0:04 I know like okay oh no you got it I just have to figure out how to get back to you guys

0:17 all right all right I am trying I am on the screen now I tube screen I’m trying to okay all right yes and Megan’s here um so I will

0:42 I will call us to order at 703 and just um Allison if you could take yeah you could take notes um as we go so tonight I’ll probably re-watch also just so I can focus okay I will open it to public comment if anybody has public comments raise your hand in the chat box or not the chat box in the participants window foreign

1:18 sorry I just caught this on the um on the meeting calendar um so I assume that you’re setting budget priorities and I just wanted to put a plug in for um for more and for more emphasis on curriculum and also um you know better support for extracurricular activities project-based learning longer school days and career Readiness not just focus on um College tracked students but also help with those the career readiness students as well that’s all thanks so much guys

1:58 thank you very much Aaron um so if there’s anybody else just put your hand up in the in the window there if not I will move us along to the FY 24 budget priorities discussion um so this came about because while we were meeting with John we had talked about you know how often what we see is we get to that meeting where we have the principles and the admin presenting and we have a lot of questions or or back um and we thought it would be helpful if we gave very high level Direction prior and John actually said you know a lot of districts do this which I did not know and so I had reached out to Dorothy presser and she said yes this is actually something a lot of districts do ahead of time where the school committee gives

2:44 gives gives budget directives out at the same time that they’re doing um that you know Michelle and John will give out those worksheets and and their marching orders if you will um so these are gonna these would be very high level things like we wouldn’t get into the weeds of saying we want you know we wouldn’t get into the weeds um these would be you know higher directives so I’m gonna I will open it up to if anyone has specific thoughts Megan I see your hand so how is this different from what we have in the planning for Success because my understanding was that that was our Five-Year Plan

3:27 um it’s a little bit more uh for instance you know where we’ve had a big Delta in out of District placements in the last year one of our things may be that we want to see a response to that whether that’s you know more planning in that area whether that’s a higher number allocated that would be um in the swing Factor if you know what it because we’ve seen several years in a row where we’ve had from when we pass a budget in May and when we get to school in September October or November we see it we we’ve seen the last three four years that it is typical that a lot of movement happens throughout the year so if one of our directives might be that a

4:12 bigger cushion be built in for that um things like that um using historical data um so it is different in that we we give you know from and we would hope that everyone’s feedback would be based on things we’re hearing from the public um feedback again high level of areas you know one one item for instance may be that when they come back with their presentation that we’d like a narrative of how everything focuses on student outcomes um and and so that’s not necessarily a budget directive but it’s a presentation for how we would like those budget directives or budget items presented so we look at view we’d like to view everything through you know and this may

4:57 not be this is just an example that we would like through um the student lens for instance I don’t know if that that makes sense or not I I guess I just want to make sure that we don’t I mean we we being the community and the district put a lot of effort um and did get a I mean you know you were on that committee I mean we reached out to hundreds of people for the planning for success and the point was that was supposed to be our Five-Year Plan So Special Ed I take your point but I don’t necessarily think that’s an operating budget driver because it’s required by law I think we should be thinking a little bit more creatively

5:45 about how we structure our funding for that long term so I don’t know I guess I just feel like planning for success is our budget drivers [Music] um because that’s what the community said and that’s why we went through that effort so I’m just having a hard time like understanding why we would stray from that so maybe that’s you know maybe that’s your takeaway from today or you’re not your takeaway but when you’re laying down on the table is that you would like us to go no further um there was you know there was a will by some members to do this and especially where John and Dorothy gave feedback that this is a somewhat standard thing and I think this

6:31 comes from districts also it’s not the districts that only don’t have a strategic plan or only don’t have a plan for Success do this it’s it’s a regular routine in many districts and it’s you know a focus if you will um so we’re here tonight we’re having the discussion so I guess I don’t want to debate too much more if if people feel we should be having the discussion because that’s that tonight is for that discussion um so you know we you can you can say moving forward that you don’t agree with giving these directives

7:15 I’m not saying I don’t agree with giving directives I think my directive is we should start with the planning for success that’s why we did it I guess that’s what that’s my starting point okay and I and I think um I think one of the marching orders if you will that John or or one of the big ones that John will give is that all budget drivers and all budget items should be that the director or that the directors in principles give will be viewed should be viewed through the lens of planning for success but I I think that you know

7:55 we I think this is one way also to kind of have things out there in the in the public so that we’re having lots of discussions about this all the way through um you know this is this was an opportunity we don’t have many people from the public but anybody could have come and I think the point is the more conversations we have about this the public sees all of this coming all along so you know it’s just more more conversations more eyes and therefore hopefully more public support um so if anybody you know hopefully quick follow-up question so I tend to agree with Megan on like that and I think you know I’m not hearing any

8:41 dissent from the idea that this you know our strategic plan for success is sort of the basis of this I uh what I’m like any time I start to think and I actually printed it out beforehand so that I had it in front of me when I’m when I start to look at it and then start to think about how do I so how do how do we at the school committee level provide directors on it it I very quickly I think get more operational than I should and a little bit too specific so I guess that’s that’s my disconnect right now so I I don’t you know I’m happy to listen I do that pretty well um so you know maybe it’s just sort of hearing some of the other ideas I didn’t get much of a chance to talk with John

9:26 about about sort of any kind of historical you know or what other towns do um so I yeah I’m a little like I guess I’m a little bit just sort of blowing in the wind right now okay all right so I guess let’s just we’ll start having a discussion and if at any point I mean it’s very much a Roundtable discussion at this point so one of the approaches that I would like take in this year is a much more district-wide approach um so for instance you know a lot of what we heard last year might have been things like you know the items like printers which were important items and things like that but if we can approach if we can have a presentation and approach of how this affects the whole

10:11 things affect the whole district for instance um curriculum you know one of the things that’s come up is that it’s really clear that and this was through conversations with John and information neon gave to John and he shared is we really don’t have a true um language arts curriculum we have foundations which is an intervention we have Lucy Hawkins which is a wrote writing uh format but we don’t have uh a wrap around language arts curriculum um so you know that I know that that’s going to be a goal but I think it’s helpful now that we know this information to put out there that one of our directors would be to address

10:57 deficits in curriculum District y that are that are affecting multiple schools at once for me that would be one to address um these large-scale items because you know things like things like you know twenty thousand dollars of history books we we can and we showed we could find those but these large these large district-wide initiatives that run in the the hundreds of thousands of dollars you don’t find that money that so I would like a focus to be on some of those larger building blocks that that affect district-wide multiple education levels um um

11:44 I don’t know if anybody has a discussion on that or no okay no okay um it’s hard to disagree with that yeah um and you know I I would like to hear some response we’ve had a large an additional large increase in outplacements so I would like some response to that in the budget whether whether it’s that the trend there’s been yet another you know influx in the trend and that may be from covet that’s not for us to figure out but I’d like some talking points from

12:29 um Paula Donnelly on how should we plan better for that is it that she wants us to have a a bigger budget that we’re carrying of suspected upcoming outplacements to stabilize our budget is it that she wants us to have more investments in current programs is it that she would like some money invested in establishing programs what does she think the answer is that’s for her to figure out but I would like our current budget to address that reality that we that ball keeps rolling faster and faster

13:16 is it I mean because when you know when you start talking about that I you know I I know obviously we have different out placements each year and then we have kids moving out of our system and kids moving you know like like aging out of our system and then other kids accessing other out of District placements the past couple of years you know we have not so from Bill and then John’s first two years we haven’t we haven’t touched the reserve fund meaning we have had the money in order to support the students who need supporting and out of District now obviously the year before that and the year before that year

14:02 worse were other types of swings this year we’re experiencing another significant swing and I think that you know as as if I put like all of the listening and and work from the last five years or you know even extending Beyond when I was on the committee it’s that it’s that those wild swings that make it really difficult so I guess I guess one of the pieces that then occurs to me and you know again stop me if I’m if I’m wading into like too deep because this is where I’m sort of fuzzy is I would like to see continued conversations with the town on how do we appropriately stabilize that and plan

14:49 and have adequate resources allotted to the swings without it being embedded in our operating budget so that you know one year if we have an eight hundred thousand dollar swing it can be covered without cutting important things but it isn’t embedded in our operating budget so that it’s a regular occurring cost so that we can have eight hundred thousand dollars sitting in the Coffer at the end of the year that’s been collected and then returned back so we’re doing that currently that’s why we’re not we haven’t touched that money for the last two years so Michelle’s goal and she was able to achieve it this year is you’re legally allowed to carry 100 of a year of circuit breaker from one year to the next

15:34 um so that because what what historically happened is we haven’t had enough money to do that and then we’re waiting on that money and when it doesn’t show up we’re at a loss so if we’re using last year’s circuit breaker money which was her goal and we’re able to do that this year it covers the swing this year so that’s why this year’s budget will be okay because she had one year in arrears of circuit breaker to use and it wasn’t that we didn’t have these wide swings the last few years it was that with the savings from covid we that you know that year 19 going into 20 we had several hundred thousand that rolled over from covet savings um when we had the school shut down and

16:19 so we were able to carry a lot of that over and then also we had a lot of savings because when those out of districts shut down spending or shut down they stopped charging us during that period so it’s just that we’re now seeing the end of the trickle of carrying savings over from savings over every year when you look at what we’ve carried each year it’s grown beyond what we’ve budgeted every year of several additional have popped up so it’s just my directive would be to study that algorithm and that pattern going back several years and if it’s that every single year we’ve had at least XYZ that we factor that in so if we can show a historical trend

17:05 from over three to five years and it’s been the same from when we closed the budget to when we implement the budget then if we have a three to five year Trend my budget directive would be we carry that bud budget that we’ve proved exists in the three to five year trend mm-hmm and we’re not currently doing that we’re not carrying a buffer no we’re only we’re only carrying what we know are known that buffer and I guess that’s that buffer piece that then starts to get tricky for me and that’s where I think the reserve like that’s where I’d like to see and I’ll come back like the the a larger conversation at the like between schools in the town as to how do we

17:52 have that buffer accessible without building it into our operating budget yeah it definitely it may be one of our maybe that’s or one of our and this is where a directive would be separate from planning for Success because this isn’t a conversation that would have been part of planning for success but maybe our directive is that we ask the town to increase our Reserve from from 250 to 500 or whatever the number is so maybe that’s the directive We Come Away with which again this is how it diverts from a budget directive versus planning for success a Megan I don’t know is that before no I do have my hand up so I guess maybe I just need a little clarification so I was under the impression we were trying to create budget drivers that then John and could

18:38 pass on to his leadership team yes okay so this conversation around special education funding for that variable I think is outside of that conversation because I think it’s something that we as a school committee and Michelle need to work with the town on so I don’t think it’s something that John’s leadership team is going to solve on their own because there’s always going to be that variable and we have to be prepared to handle that variable the other thing I would say is transportation is also a huge variable and a huge cost for us there and again not something that the leadership team is going to be able to solve and that’s one where I think in a leadership role ourselves on the school committee and John we should be working much more closely with other

19:23 districts and really working closely with our state representatives to help us find a solution for that because that’s I huge cost for us but again those two things I feel like are above and beyond the pure operating conversation that we’re trying to create directives for the for John’s leadership team well those are no I would say no because I would say we can make a budget directive that we address transportation that is that is a budget directive that trans High the high cost of transportation and the lack of transportation is could be one of our takeaways from tonight and how we Implement that directive then can be figured out in a multitude of ways but this is kind of for us to determine what

20:10 what we want the budget that we by State Statute own to speak to and if but if transportation is one of those items then that is a budget directive if special education improving our special education um ability to fund out a district or improving inclusion within in District those are high level directives as well

20:34 I feel like right now we’re getting into an argument of whether we feel this meeting should have happened or not and and I want to it’s happening we’re in it and I want to try to make it as productive as possible um I’m not arguing about whether we should have it or not I’m just not clear what the output is supposed to be is it supposed to be directives for John’s leadership team or is it a bigger conversation it’s directed it’s budget directives it’s what we want what do we want our budget to speak to our budget process to speak to is it that technology or not technology is it that transportation and the rising unstabilizing transportation and making

21:20 it more accessible is a priority that you brought that one up maybe that’s one of our takeaways tonight maybe that’s one of our priorities um it’s what are the things that we feel we have not been able to accomplish so obviously the first one we all know it’s a given is meeting contractual obligations that’s an easy one um so we would start there you know do you want to make Transportation One Megan transportation is part of the special you know that’s kind of all wrapped into the special ed costs okay

22:05 because that’s a huge variable that again I don’t think should completely be funded through our operating budget okay I didn’t know if you meant Transportation globally because it’s been something that’s come out a lot yeah I would say Transportation Transportation globally has come up a lot I’m not sure how you do that without getting into operation stuff because obviously that plays into it as well but I know there has been from the community a lot of discussion around that particularly with the changes that were made to routes and that sort of thing and the which system is used for routes and what is a safe route versus what is not a safe route

22:50 um for people kind of right on that cusp okay and as far as working with other districts I think that Topic in particular is something that other districts do wildly better than we do are able to provide wildly better than we are right now and you know having some sort of Reach Out And discussion and understanding better about how they do that and how they fund that without you know gouging themselves because it’s expensive you know that

23:31 okay are there other areas you know that that our current budget is not funding and we feel we want particular focused to be on as reflected from the the five buckets of planning for success

23:50 sorry can you say that again are there areas uh because like for instance Transportation was part of a planning for Success so it’s not creating a new objective are there any other objectives people would like a highlight on or more information on or detail from the the administration in this budget keeping in mind the appropriateness of the five buckets from planning for success so I think it’s been a long day I’m sorry I’m not like are you asking is there anything above and beyond what’s in planning for Success no I’m asking you know for instance how I talked about the curriculum I I would like to see

24:37 this year talk about Big Ticket um items because if we’re going for an override that’s what you embed in an override is you know addressing some of these bigger problems um so I would like there to be some some district-wide answers to the holes in our curriculum again that was a planning for Success thing so I’m not creating something new but I’m saying I would like that to be a budget priority this year is is looking at it from a district-wide curriculum hole where where the holes exist

25:15 so I think and additionally I think one place especially with not passing the override from last spring was that you know all of the initiatives under that uh Dei piece really didn’t get much traction um so all of the pieces that were embedded into Library resources and classroom resources and you know all the windows and mirrors type pieces that Nan will talk about you know I would like to see that continue to be focused on okay um so you you want them to put a Dei Focus again okay

25:54 um were there so we have curriculum the holes and curriculum um the Dei Focus the um special education I would like this budget to reflect ways to increase inclusion and that really touches on trying to recapture some of our out-of-district students too because as we all know the most inclusive thing is for students to be able to go to school um with their community um so by by fix you know and that’s for Paul in my mind that involves Paula doing kind of an analysis of are there certain areas that might have areas for

26:39 improvement that we can stop some of the outflow or recoup some of our students and allow them to be back in their Community but but again I don’t want to get those deep into those weeds so I would just say special education um focus on increasing inclusion

27:00 okay okay does anybody have any thoughts on that okay okay um I mean I think you know I I’m in support of that as well you know that’s always something that we’re working on so and should be working on okay um

27:23 what am I missing can I say quickly again this is just where I’m kind of my my I’m not connecting here can is it to say um I don’t I have to think about it a minute more sorry go ahead um I’m just you know are there other other areas that as we look because again anything we do Beyond contractual obligations is essentially looking at either an override or reduction somewhere else because there’s there’s no other me and I don’t think that I think we all know the town this year of all years is not

28:10 going to be able to meet extras without an override you know they’re in they’re in a very precarious position as well so again you customarily you don’t do an override for um you know one-off little little things like what are you know the the curriculum piece I think is the biggest way to the the easiest way to Envision it because that’s such a big number when we look at a you know a math curriculum or social studies or a language arts um so are there other Big Ideas like that that we’ve heard from our community we’ve heard from our Educators we’ve heard in planning for Success that we’ve

28:57 heard continually are a problem that we just aren’t that that we want to ask John to oh so one of my my requests would be that in the narratives everything track every narrative tracks back to how does this affect students because we know even non-student-facing positions affects students like an HR director affects students because by being able to keep the ship running as smoothly as it does teachers are able to do their job and so on and so forth so um you know I would just like that everything tracks back to how does this affect students um um foreign

29:49 another another important piece I think too is that we really look at we’ve heard we really want to look at how we’re utilizing our how are we utilizing our staff um you know our are there are there we like this where it comes where the zero-based budget comes in are do we have equality are there are we just keeping everybody in their position because that’s where they are or by shifting some people could we make do with the staff we have perhaps but use it more effectively for instance if you know Glover’s first grade is 17-1 and Brown’s third grade is 26-1

30:36 instead of just maybe adding one we might be able to so asking our I would like to ask our administrators to collaboratively look at all of their staff not just look at this is my staff but instead look at everybody as a staff member of the Marblehead public schools and how can we most effectively with Equity staff our programs and our buildings thank you

31:07 so I think yeah if am I hearing you correctly I feel like it’s just an overarching theme of when we’re making these decisions they should be district-wide decisions yes I want I want things to come from I I want it to be less siled um I think it’s I I think that that is what provides the most Equity is if we look at you know what we’re lacking at a district level

31:37 um Allison do you have I I feel like you have had much time to to no that’s okay no I I’m trying to also take notes because if it’s two hours long I don’t want to have to re-watch every single second so but I want to capture the right themes uh one I I think item that and and I think that that would fit from an overarching perspective as well and I I don’t think that it’s referenced in the planning for success I mean planning for success is very high level in and of itself I is the Wind Block um and if that is going to be if that is going to continue to be something that is

32:23 ingrained in our elementary education or a boulder as well I’m not sure how high that goes up that program goes up

32:32 having having a better idea or understanding or adequately staffed ability to make the Wind Block work for everybody so that there aren’t certain classes that are playing Legos during win and other classes that might be getting you know either the additional services that they need or the more challenging work or a project team that can work together to do something um I don’t think that I’m necessarily against the Wind Block as as a whole but I think that we need to ensure that it’s actually doing and now in its second year already

33:19 what it was set out to do or what the the actual actual purpose is and this might not be budget related although the only reason I’m saying it is because I feel as if part of the reason why it may not necessarily be

33:35 as widely accepted or appreciated or liked um is because we don’t have necessarily the right structure and setup and maybe resources is involved in that in order to make it work and in order for it to give everybody what they need so would that fall under the the umbrella of you know kind of the zero Beast for the staff is every program staffed for what we need right um no I actually think it falls more under like scope and sequence under the curriculum stuff um I’ve heard Nan talk about that previously and so I think that that’s where all of that goes and then like Allison is referencing so again that alignment so that if you’re

34:22 in a win block you know if you’re in one classroom at Brown versus another customer Brown you’re getting the same or another classic lover right yes and then additionally if you’re a Glover versus brown that you’re getting that same and that you know it kind of progresses because I believe it goes through um village is that it progresses you know and sort of with its major themes um you know through the years okay for every level right and and understandably I think that could take additional resources or it could take looking at the staff we have and looking at who could you know manage a small group of kids that need to do a specific project base who can manage a small group of kids

35:08 that might need some additional help in math that might need additional help in in reading or phonics or handwriting or whatever it might be because I write down when is staffed and has professional development to maximize outcomes does that capture both of those things

35:30 okay and I I didn’t thank you Sarah because I didn’t realize how I wasn’t sure when it ended and I my thought is the same for however high up it goes in school clearly I I would honestly I think it actually go it

35:48 Concepts carries through to to grade 12 I believe I think it just the magic the magic block is kind of what that’s okay doing but it’s much more student directed at that point like because right they’re making their choices on what they need so yeah the only place I don’t think it exists is at best right I’m almost just because I have someone there I’m almost positive it doesn’t but I don’t know it is maybe part of oh I might get crucified for this but it is maybe part of the conversation also because we’re talking about doing things at a district-wide level right so as part of that conversation that it should happen everywhere in some form of it maybe it’s it’s not called win maybe it’s not

36:33 called Magic maybe there’s something else another name to it uh but just I think that kids throw a lot of kids thrive on that consistency on knowing that they’re going to have social studies and language arts and reading and library and art and gym and health and all of those different subjects and we’re now ingraining in them that they’re going to have this wind block which will give them what they need whether it’s extra help or more challenging or different types of work and then it changes you know they keep going through Village it stops and then all of a sudden it’s back at the high school I think finding some way because it’s still considered time on learning which we all know that we need so

37:21 I I and I’m not you know I I know the backlash can be you’re taking time on learning away from other subjects um well I do I think I think it may be embedded within vets like with the read block because I do think there’s flexibility within there to sort of get various like holes filled um so I think maybe you know if having a better understanding because I know I know Matt and Dan work to have a very cohesive situation um from one you know one building to the other um because it is such a short time that they are at vets um so you know I think maybe a little I would I would be surprised if it was completely missing at that’s um and just like you know and I think

38:08 again that relates back to that scope and sequence aspect of this piece that that it’s you know it’s starting from K and you know for some Pre-K and then you know it is it is moving its way through the district you know all the way up to 12. obviously focused on student achievement and and you know student outcomes yeah so that was just me not knowing if it was there I yeah for sure and for me that’s was covid so you know like the heart of covid so I I don’t always have the best working knowledge of that as a parent either um so it speaks to the idea which we’ve heard before that we really need we need to strive towards a budget that helps support a school system rather than a

38:55 system of schools um and that also leads me to I want to make sure this budget is able to support giving all of our students opportunities where they are so that that you know the special education meet piece is spoken to and we ask them to focus on increasing inclusion but that also means for students that need extra enrichment opportunities that we’re properly able to staff and or fund giving students who need enrichment opportunities those opportunities so I just want to make sure that this budget meets all of our students and gives and funds giving them the opportunities that are appropriate to them um

39:41 sorry to interrupt you actually with that statement obviously we’ve heard it you know before but I think that that statement almost sums up a lot of what we’ve talked about is the idea of of the budget supporting a school system is that that because that has been lacking in the past and that that is a lot of the work that’s been being done the past few years is to bring the schools into a system so that they are functioning as a system instead of you know all the silos and the independence and so and and you know just like you’re saying meeting every kid where they’re at um and you know and again we all know that that work is going on um but you know since then sort of like some of the other like I I think that

40:27 that’s a really nice umbrella for what we’re doing tonight and then some of those other kind of like the other pieces that we’ve talked about almost being like bullets underneath that yeah um in I another a big bucket directive would be that and I think this that John says this but I for me a very important part of this beginning process is for us as a unit of a school committee to make the statement together that I would I know I want to see and I hope you agree with me is I want all of our directors and our principals to come to us with what they need to give to our students

41:13 what they need for their staff and their materials and everything to provide our students with what their our students need and what our students deserve not what can they do not I can let I this principle a is willing to give up this so principal B you can have this because they’ve gone without it for four or five years and as much as I am thrilled that our principals and our directors are willing to kind of barter and help each other I want to present a budget that meets everybody’s needs without the what what can you get by with I don’t I don’t want to present a what can you get by with budget it’s

41:59 this is our ask and if the answer is no but we’ll get a hun we will always fail to get a hundred percent of what we don’t ask for so I would I would want I want to see what they think they need and again there may be a discussion later on the community may ask for more information on certain areas and they always have the right to do that as long as we have Backup backup Backup backup of why we’re asking for certain things I think it’s really important to put it out there like that’s why I say show me where the curriculum holes are and maybe it’s that we need five new curriculums and that’s 10 million I am

42:44 making all of this up for anybody listening but maybe that’s the answer and then we put that all out there and then Nan comes back and says we can’t have all of our people jump off on five new curriculums next year but then we know okay this one’s this much this year and yeah that’s one-time funding but we know we need this one because we have all that information now we know not we will need theoretical things in the future but these are the five that are lacking we’ll need them this is the one we’ll have this year this is the one we’ll have next year this is the one we’ll have whatever it is that’s why I want a list of what they don’t have across the board is it this Ela curriculum is it social studies curriculum is it this is it that so then we can

43:30 we can we can know that because for for us we understand every year there’s one time costs because we’re in it we see it and and we know okay there’s always a curriculum that’s about this much but for the public we need to be able to say these are the holes we have and these are the things we’re going to use for this year these are the things we’re going to use for next year and that’s the year after that I think that’s what was hard for the public last year was our Educators know it it’s a native language to us we know it but just like when an electrician came to my house today I don’t that’s not my language like when he’s like you need to do X Y and Z as a as someone that’s not

44:17 living that every day I need it much more broken down for me so that’s why I want to hear from and I think this is a big Nan question what are all the areas that our curriculum needs to be updated and then we’ll prioritize which one’s going to be this year but it’s part of the budget directive that we also know roughly what One’s next year and what one’s the next year the year after that um and I think that’s where it will be super helpful because these are large amounts that are one-time costs but the need for that investment in evolving our curriculum is a reoccurring cost

44:58 I’ll just put a word of caution in because I you know I don’t disagree with what you’re saying I’ll just put a word of caution in as far as like communication with the public and that is that you know I think one of the things that was discussed last year was the social studies curriculum and that one of the reasons to wait on that is because the state is reworking Frameworks and I to the best of my knowledge which can can come up short there’s not an end date for that so that they want to wait and sort of have some of that and have some of the I um you know the the social studies curriculums that are out there be able to catch up and and create those Frameworks that Massachusetts design requiring so you know we can say we want to implement a social studies curriculum in two years if the Frameworks aren’t out yet that

45:44 probably is going to be paused so I just want us to be a little careful with you know how much we’re gonna ask of of Nan in that way because it to me in my understanding of it it’s it all has a certain need to be flexible um because it’s not all under our control like Ela we know but you know yeah no I I get that to a certain I definitely get that to a certain extent but we know we definitely don’t have a socialist curriculum and we need one and we know they’re all roughly in this range so we can say we what we can do is we can say we know we need one we know this is on the horizon our goal is enact like that that would be your two or

46:29 three with the caveat that obviously if the state comes back their Frameworks aren’t ready their Frameworks are different than what we thought they were going to be we have to move with this um just like if the state Frameworks came out saying or the state guidelines came out that said the minimum of our day is XYZ even if that wasn’t budget for it we need to now meet that there’s a there’s not a million but we deal with you know directives from Desi that are constant changing Target all the time so that’s definitely good to to make obvious but I think my point is where we have these neat constant reoccurring needs to fund one-time items we just need to be clear that

47:17 that funding has a future use and it will this is what the ear Mark is because we’re only building one year’s worth of budget but we need to have a projection that is longer range than one year so that projection isn’t set in stone like our line on a budget this year is but that we have a somewhat more narrowed in projection if you will because I don’t think that that hesitation from the community is going to go away ignore there is a budget sense to that that there needs to be high level objectives for large amounts of money that are recurring like that is that is good

48:02 fiscal sense so my my directive to give us those high level any any big ticket one-time fund I’m not talking about if we buy it two thousand dollar color poster printer I don’t need to know now what how you’re going to spend that two thousand dollars next year but those big bucket items we need to know what will they be directed for will this be as a reinvest a reoccurring investment in updating our curriculum like that if you know maybe it’s at 200 000 every year is year is la is a reoccurring investment in updating curriculum and I think that is that is

48:49 to me enough of a a detail um how is that different from what we did last year because I’m just looking at the budget thing right now it’s exactly what we’ve got in there one time costs 184 recurring costs 70 000 for curriculum like it’s exactly what we did and it’s the same directive that we gave the leadership team last year tell us what you need like it’s the same exact thing so it’s different in that that one-time cost 180 what we need to know is what’s happening to that 180 the following year is that 180 being reinvested in curriculum because without that location but we didn’t give that demarcation without that curriculum and like replenishing supplies that we’re going to have to do every single year that’s

49:35 what that’s what we’re that’s what those costs are going to go to so it might be a different set of materials every year

49:48 we need to I I personally never saw a commitment that that 180 would always be curriculum and that’s I’m looking at the slides right now so it was in the slides I’m just I guess I’m what I feel like what I’m hearing is we’re kind of giving the same

50:10 um I feel like we’re giving the same directive but what I’m hearing you say is the communication around it there’s a communication piece but also the same directive we gave them I want better communication on large one-time costs how they will what is the earmark five years out for those costs four years out three years out like what is those large time costs earmarked for but a lot of those costs you know when we’re talking about you know like we had for example we had a one-time cost of 180 000 for curriculum well next year it’s going to be

50:55 we’re going to still use that money for curriculum it’s just going to be a piece that wasn’t answered and I I watched those forums that was asked over and over and over what are you using that for next year and no one spoke to we will be buying a new curriculum next year right now we’re between possibly Ela or this or this that that answer was never given okay um to agree to disagree because we specifically talked about a social studies curriculum I mean we talked about it in every single meeting but again like the purpose of this meeting is to determine the directives we’re going to give the leadership team and I feel like what I’m hearing everyone say here is that those directives are the same directives we gave last year tell

51:41 us what you need to have a fully functioning I forget the e word you know District

51:53 I think for me there’s it does go a little bit more specific more detailed and more specific yeah where I have I want special education to focus on increasing inclusion um that I want a narrative with everything is how does how does each bucket How does each item affect s How does each new item that we’re asking for and it affects you know student now comes we talk about um also a new one would be I want to make sure this budget gives all students appropriate opportunities for where they are at for their current achievement level you know whether that be that they need to get up to grade level whether they’re at grade level or whether that student is functioning above grade level we

52:39 still haven’t we still should be enriching all students where they’re at agreed and all those things you just said are all in the planning for Success their individual initiatives in the planning for Success that I’m looking at from the website right now but they’re not being funded we’re not we’re not funding any enrichment and John will tell you that too we currently are not funding any enrichment but that’s the budget directive right using the planning for success and making sure that we’ve got an exemplary district-wide approach

53:15 so are you not comfortable giving these individual directives I’m not saying I’m not comfortable I’m just saying that I feel like what we’re saying is already documented in the planning for SEC success and what I’m hearing in this meeting is then you’re kind of putting an overarching piece around it right we want to implement planning for success and we want to take a district-wide approach to it that’s what I’m hearing from all these individual pieces I would like to reiterate in whether it’s redundant on planning for success or not I would like to reiterate certain items that I feel and that that are have exceptional importance and but I would like us all to come to an agreement of

54:03 what those items of increased importance are which I I’m I thought we were working towards but I would also say specific that if I mean if we want to even have a chance of this passing this year that we we need to be able to make sure that some of the hot button items that were brought up last year like that whether it’s in a slide or not I remember from meetings that what are you going to do with it the next year was not answered and so having that in in very plain sight and having those answers prepared for when someone asks I think is what is going to help us explain better to the community

54:50 and have more transparency with them about exactly what we’re asking for and why and bringing it all back to what is this specific line item go whether it’s we need another admin we need another HR rep we need another para what we need another gym teacher all of that how does that go back to helping the students and why and giving those specifics something like making sure that that when is properly staffed I mean I have the planning for Success too and I don’t I don’t see that there so I see that as a more specific ask than what the planning for Success has because I I would like to see whether it’s everybody does it the same way or not you know but that there is some consistency in how

55:36 that block is used because we don’t have that now that’s not happening now and or at least at the elementary level it’s not where it’s still new but it’s in its second year and that’s a hot ticket item with the community and being able to provide additional information on exactly what we’re going to do for students that need more math students that need better reading students that need help with writing whatever it might be students that need extra SEL you know assistance project-based learning whatever whatever those items might be to be able to ensure that we’re providing what that student needs and not just giving them another people another worksheet or an extra worksheet

56:22 that they already did five of that day or that week so my concern is when we come back to our next meeting The Hope was that we were going to come back and have budget directives to present um similar to what you know a lot of districts do I I at this point after this conversation don’t feel it would be appropriate for us to go back and say we agreed on budget directives because I don’t I don’t even think that we have an agreement that you guys want to give budget directives so I don’t want to misrepresent anything at our next meeting and I want to make sure that anything that we present is rep is a true representation of where everybody stands so

57:12 our I guess that’s what I’m trying to even clarify at this point because I want to do this I I would like to but I also you know we’re two out of four people right no I understand it has to we we should we need in order for this to work it has to be you know all for one um so if if it is not the will that we will present these budget directives then

57:44 we won’t but I I gotta I I have concerns that if we can’t even agree on whether or not we will present directives let alone what the directives are we’ve got a long road between now and and you know Implement achieving a budget that meets the needs of our students God

58:08 so how does everyone want to proceed

58:19 I am on board to proceed in providing the directives as a committee together I think that’s important

58:31 but again as a committee together not Tommy individually and agreeing that the directives that we present s are important collectively

58:50 I’m fine presenting directives um I just want them to want us to be sure that we’re presenting directives that are high enough level foreign okay

59:09 which ones do you feel do that that we’ve talked about

59:17 so I feel and I you know and I don’t mean this to disagree with Allison because I actually am in agreement that you know like the our and that’s what we’ve been working for With the Wind Block and and you know and making sure that each classroom at Brown is the same in each classroom at Glover is the same in that all of those classrooms are you know that you’re leaving each school with the same education um that’s been a huge a huge piece that we’ve been working on um and so if that’s you know if if the win is the you know biggest piece there you know then the win is the biggest piece there I’m not you know I don’t I don’t know from Nan if that is you know if that if that’s the biggest piece or if it’s just one in a handful of pieces that need to be addressed

1:00:02 um so I guess that’s where it starts to get uncomfortable for me is when we start to talk about too many details and and again like you know I I understand the you know the desire to say we’re gonna you know buy this curriculum this year in this curriculum this year and I just you know what my concern is then you know so okay so say we map this all out and this is maybe I just wasn’t communicating this clear enough earlier when I said it we mapped this all out and then you know the implementation of the ELA curriculum is you know more than what the teachers sort of bargained for and

1:00:48 they need another year with it before we move forward with an additional curriculum and then then the community is like well that’s not what you told us like what’s going on here we knew we couldn’t trust you and we’ve seen that narrative in the past as well so I just you know there it you know there’s P large pieces of this where it it you know I don’t I don’t know how to navigate around this other than the fact that you know we’re we are elected representatives yes we have to listen to the community and the community has to trust us too and if they can’t trust us then you know don’t don’t re-elect us if we run for re-election

1:01:34 um and you know but I just I I get very antsy when we start to drill too far into things because there is just so much swing in all of this you know we can say that we’re gonna you know that we’re we’re gonna buy a curriculum and then we have another special education swing and that curriculum has to be put on hold because we’re you know plugging holes here and there and you know I think people do understand things like that but it’s still you know that’s that’s not that’s not a good place to be with a budget um and it certainly is an effective management of of the large pieces to it so I don’t know I guess I’m all over the place and I apologize my concern is that

1:02:21 I get what you’re saying that we might not be able to adhere to a plan and then people will be upset but to me the answer is that not to then not give them the plan it’s the same thing as to bring it down on a micro level you know when you when you’re renovating a house it’s like you pull the wall walls down and you do the electric and then you’re gonna do the wall board and this next and the idea is you’re going to do the electric this week and in two weeks you’re going to have them insulating wall board well if the electric goes sideways and you’re not going to put wall board up when your Electric’s not done you’re going to Pivot and change and call that contractor and say this isn’t where

1:03:07 we’re at we need to change it and that may screw up his schedule and he may be upset but you’re still not going to do things wrong just because something you there’s a need to Pivot so we need to give a schedule and a budget that’s longer than one year to the public with a certain level of detail and if things change if if Jesse doesn’t have the peace to us that we need if the teacher the rollout is harder than it we’ve anticipated it and the students may need longer for the rollout the teachers may need wrong or for the rollout then we go back to the community and we say listen we need to change the schedule we’re not ready turns out this year we don’t need that extra 400 000.

1:03:54 so we’re gonna not use that because the way this works is it’s not guaranteed we do a prop two and a half we get that money this year our budget next year can still be level funded to what it was last year that money is not contractually obligated to come to the schools after the first year it goes into the town coffers and gets reallocated by any other mechanism so if next year we’re not using that then we don’t we shouldn’t be taking money we don’t need we should we shouldn’t just be carrying over to carry over but we do need to put forth a plan of how we’re you’re marking that money and again if that plan one year is not where it needs to be then our budget needs to be

1:04:39 decreased by that amount we’re not going to take three hundred thousand dollars for a social studies curriculum we have earmarked if we can’t implement it we need to communicate out to the community that we are not ready for that to reach that Benchmark right now so just like you’re doing an IEP you change your goals to where you’re at but you still need to have those goals set for every year we we have to give the the a reasonable level of detail three to five years out to the community it’s just it’s what is good accounting and anything short of that we’re not getting money the the community has told us anything short of that we are not getting money

1:05:26 getting money getting money I I also want to just I think go ahead no finish that conversation I think if we give 300 000 back we’re going to have a tough time getting 300 000 into an additional budget you know it just says the way it works and so you know nothing they’re not giving us a penny without detail that it failed two to one we’re not we’re not getting money I think that’s where you know that’s where Megan and I come in and and there has been detail and you know I don’t that’s that’s the conundrum for me and you know I can speak to that we’re not rehashing last year but um you know yeah um so I want to Circle I just want to

1:06:11 Circle back because I do feel really strongly about when and it’s not I’m not look I just want to be clear on what I was asking for I completely understand and agree we can’t get into the weeds of exactly what and we’re going to use this book and you’re going to do this and this this is the project this is whatever when was just kind of put onto the elementary schools without any plan on how each of these Educators was going to be able in a classroom of 23 kids know at the start of the year what each kid needs and be able to alone provide it that’s not setting them up that’s not setting the Wind Block up for success

1:07:00 and I just feel as if there needs to be a more detailed more detailed not too detailed and I’m not asking for too much detail but just an explanation of how it could possibly work and when we’re told well they’ll be provided if they’re properly trained they’ll be able to do it and I I strongly disagree I don’t think one educator at all can provide 23 kids with exactly what they need when you have one children child that can’t read and another child that can one child that can’t write their letters and another child that could write a novel that and honestly that’s like a getting by type of situation like we’re getting by by having one teacher in a room and it’s

1:07:46 just another 40-minute block where the teacher has to try and and do stuff with 40 kids that’s not what they need that’s not when and I understand it’s been wildly successful at other places and I just wanna I want us to do more of that collaboration to figure out how we can make it successful here because I don’t think we can comfortably say that it is and I think that goes back to resources and that’s why I mention it if if that makes sense that’s what I mean from a level of detail and maybe you still disagree totally fine I just wanted to clarify when I said detail I didn’t

1:08:30 that’s enough Megan I see your hand I guess that piece I guess my recommendation on the Wind Block Allison would be to kind of work with Nan on that first because I’m I I don’t get the impression that it’s one teacher with 40 students trying to do that that’s not my impression of the women um and so I think the first point of call would be to get clarification from Nan and I mean I know some of those pieces out I know with the children at Brown get okay okay but that’s one classroom out of many and so what Nan’s trying to do is implement it across the board right for the district and so I’m not saying we don’t need to look at when what I’m saying is I’m not I feel like that is weight more detailed than what

1:09:16 we’re trying to do here it’s one to 23 kids and it it is almost every classroom at Brown that has one teacher so it’s not just one I think that that can be encompassed under the the umbrella of every student needs to be met where they’re at if we’re not in and we need to be properly stacked so that every student can be met where they’re at um again like this speaks to inclusion for special education it speaks to you know general education and enrichment

1:09:54 thank you thank you I’m still having a hard time Claire coming away with anything we can present to John at this point because I don’t think that we’re in any type of consensus here

1:10:13 I mean I have some things written down that I think are are quite useful you know sort of that umbrella about supporting a school system not a system of schools um meeting contractual obligations obviously um curriculum the curriculum needs uh the needs to focus on um on a Dei um and then you know I I wrote down my idea but I think it’s broader than that like you know working with the town to more adequately stabilize funds for out in District placements um but you know what you just said Sarah you know like the um

1:10:55 you know you know making sure that every student is provided what they need okay and I I would ask that we that special education focus on increasing inclusion um I know that when Eric was here that was a really big focus and I think you know kovid really was it shifted that a lot because inclusion it just didn’t present a lot of opportunities for that but I would real I would like us to realign um that being a focus um and under that umbrella I would I would include in my mind you know addressing any programs that need to be

1:11:44 augmented to help keep as many students as we can in their home District

1:11:57 Megan if Megan if you know also maintaining our facilities I mean oh yeah thank you I wanted to say that earlier and we sort of went down a different path but yeah we have facilities but I think that there’s there’s a you know there’s a plan I think I think my question on that is and again I I think that the this this means means to bring the town in you know I and I’m in agreement with things that Megan has said in the past that I do think that there are aspects of our facilities that we should address better within our operating budget um you know the groundskeeper piece is a good example of that um but I also think that there needs to be a better plan

1:12:44 town wide for how we’re addressing you know our town buildings all of the schools being a part of that um and and so and they’re you know to that’s my knowledge there is no town-wide plan um you know I think the the best we’ve seen is last year’s question one um addressing some of those needs but um you know obviously all of them for some reason weren’t unable to be put into those asks and still something I don’t totally understand and um you know how how are we funding that moving forward you know this was a conversation that we added you know at the very last moment to our operational ask was the additional funds for the facilities and so you know how do we how are we managing that moving forward you

1:13:30 know is it coming under our operations you know is that the decision of the town that this should be funded within that or is there uh is there a more collaborative approach

1:13:46 um another I think this is going to be a town wide thing but it’s something Michelle has been very vocal about um and we’ve all seen the Fallout from um soft right the program we use is

1:14:04 not functional for what our needs are um it’s not functional in a whole town-wide reporting level we have asked for many years to change that and and it’s just it’s never been a priority you know ideally I’d love for it to come out of arpa it’s a perfect arpa cost it mute checks all the boxes I unfortunately don’t have that purview so I don’t know but what I what I would like is for the school com school committee to support Michelle’s request that we get rid of soft right now The Whole Town’s gonna have to do it at once the thought we had in our in our finance meeting was if as a push we we ask for this as part of our budget

1:14:50 ultimately should be a town-wide budget but it opens the discussion because we’ve been having the discussions for three four years now on our own and it’s just it’s still never making anybody’s budget we cannot we there’s so many inefficiencies in how we run our finances and out of the school and the school is the Lion’s Share of the Town finances um in the town inefficiencies we really need a functional program so that we can get proper reporting and track where things are going and it’s not taking when it takes three to four days out of every month to give us a report that is highly inefficient like that’s an entire that’s a month and a half of Labor each

1:15:35 year that we’re that we’re spending doing nothing but reports um so you know I would I would like to to support Michelle’s ask in in telling her at this point we’re okay with that being in our Bud ultimately it shouldn’t be in our budget but if to open the discussion we need to present it somewhere then I’m okay with presenting it in our budget to start the conversation of this is not meeting the needs the schools also not meeting the needs of the town but we can emphatically tell you soft right does not meet the needs of our schools thank you

1:16:17 is there any you know strong feelings that we should not be doing that

1:16:28 I I would you know again like to that makes me uncomfortable I totally understand what you’re saying and you know and I I don’t disagree with what you said it I I haven’t talked with Michelle about this either so um I would I would want to do that and have that conversation and just understand it a little bit more deeply um you know I do think that you know there was a lot of concern last year about us going out on our own for the for our ask and you know I don’t if that ends up being the case this year I that those concerns aren’t going away at all um and so I think the more we can collaborate with the

1:17:15 town side on on things like like facilities like Finance um like the stabilization funds um the better and so I guess you know I’m not I’m not opposed to anything going in the budget at this point you know we’re at the very starting stages of it I don’t you know I don’t know where my head will come out on that but I would I guess I would like the directive from us

1:17:48 to be a little bit you know for John to I do know they have in these conversations John and Michelle have been having these conversations more and more um the little the last I heard was they would like the schools to own I possibly part of it I’m not sure um so we just we just need to know that whether we have to own part of it whether we don’t have to own part of it that’s somewhere it’s addressed because we just cannot effectively continue without it Okay so we’ve got that um the I don’t know what we call it the mou with the town I can’t I can’t remember I

1:18:33 mean that’s some of these things we’re talking about that’s where those conversations should be happening how do we do this how do we fund the special ed stabilization fund how do we fund Transportation like those are all things like that’s why we created that committee so I’d really like to see that committee being utilized maybe a little bit more I’ve I’ve tried I’ve had several correspondence back and forth requesting we utilize them on the various mousse there’s been a pushback that there’s um a feeling that they’re defunct I think the word that was used was um I will continue to request that we meet and continue to ask um that that you know we we find out who the towns because um I’d asked you know who these are the

1:19:18 mlus we have who are the your Liaisons for each of these so we can put everybody in in contact and um you know I’m trying to be respectful uh but the response I got was that those we went through each one of why each one was supposedly defunct so I will I will continue to try to open those conversations and put the proper people in in connection with each other but

1:19:45 there has not been um

1:19:50 no one’s fighting at that so can I ask uh I’m happy to be the dumb new girl asking the question why why is the town not kind of walking lockstep with us on wanting this new software I understand I don’t know not for your implementations for a living I understand it’s a gigantic bigger than gigantic I don’t even know what another word would be thing I understand that it’s never going to not be

1:20:20 it wouldn’t be fair for me to try to make guesses okay I don’t know that’s fine I mean with the ads director right now which is very I don’t know how you implement something without a new with a director but I can’t speak to that I just know that for many years um Michelle has has asked for that and and we’ve identified it that the reporting’s very hard so hard right I mean I heard that at our first subcommittee meeting loud and clear how so what would the process we can have that conversation offline I don’t need to keep everybody on this longer I just that’s something I feel very strongly about and it’s never going to go away there’s always going to be a reason we don’t have a finance director we don’t have a Town Administrator we don’t have

1:21:06 whatever it might be um you at some point we just have to do it because the time effort energy invested in just pulling what to me should be the easiest report that a button press should get you out of a system is insanity and the additional work that we are not able to do or investigation or whatever it might be analysis as a result of that it’s just exponential so I I would be really interested in in having those discussions with the town to understand and and maybe putting an end cap on it okay fine this year we don’t have a finance director let’s say we’re going to do it next year

1:21:52 or then you know I I don’t know it just seems crazy so Sarah I hate to do this but I’m gonna have to run in a few minutes so how do we want to wrap this up okay um

1:22:10 my my takeaway is we we have directives that we need to meet contractual obligations um we have holes that we want all the the curriculum holes identified in a plan presented for addressing them um um special education focus on increasing inclusion that we want to make sure that this budget ensures that we are a school system not a system of schools and we’re approaching things from a global District level um we want to give all students the opportunity to have their educational needs met where they are at um

1:22:57 maintain our facilities we didn’t we didn’t dive into did we want to decrease you know getting her on tuition was a big one last year we haven’t brought that up do we want it do we my thing is I keep saying if you need something this is actually a good directive if you need something to access your public education we have to stop charging parents for it this idea that you have to have a device to be able to do your homework but you have to buy the device like public education the law states if you need to if you need it to access it if if we’re requiring to take an AP class you have to take the AP exam we need to budget for the AP exams

1:23:45 we can no longer require things so that would be one um and Megan I’m sorry if you need to hop I I get that um you know out of those directives were there any that you did not agree with if we continue this conversation about the idea of faith um and making sure we’re meeting all of if we if we if you need if we’re making requirements of students that we need to be embedding that in our budget

1:24:17 I think I think your your thoughts go further than um I’m willing to be on board for with that okay yeah I think that one needs a little bit further conversation um because I think we might be simplifying it in a you know two-minute conversation um but okay I mean I think Are there specific parts of it that maybe we could just modify that one is a legal obligation if we ask if we’re demanding students do something we need to pay it’s giving out the AP test because we’re not demanding exactly like but I would like my AP test playback um if maybe not that but I I think things that we are or maybe we

1:25:05 can agree that the things that we are requiring of students in particular you have to have a device to do your homework then provide the device um is that part of what we can agree on I think that’s the other big big money piece well that’s not I mean that’s actually out of our purview the law states it

1:25:40 this budget reflects right right

1:25:46 which goes back to them asking for what they need to fit that curriculum and if it if it includes everybody has to have a device that seems I can like it looked it’s a sticking point so but at the end of the day it won’t matter because it’s legally required anyway so I think at the end of the day we are doing it when a student can’t provide their own device they’re given a device

1:26:22 um so that’s a conversation you know I’ll get into that a little deeper with John because I don’t want to it seems like that’s a little bit so I’ll share my concerns with him on that Sarah what’s the what’s the date you want to have this to John in the leadership team Michelle wants to be able to hand out packets the end of October we only have one meeting between now and then so um you know we can we have our Forum coming up we can have our next meeting I don’t think we’re ready for this at our next meeting then we’ll listen to our forum and and depending on what comes out of that you know possibly schedule a wrap up for this yeah I think you know one of the things that I’ve

1:27:07 said consistently is that I don’t think we should be making decisions In the Heat of the Moment right so I think we should sleep on this I think we should absolutely hear from The Forum um and see if there’s anything that the community wants to add that we have not included here or that’s not already including in planning for success and then reviewed at that point because I think we’ve had some good conversations here I don’t think I I can speak for myself I’m not ready to kind of like sign on the dotted line and I think if we’ve got that Forum scheduled we should be listening and adding that into these conversations okay all right so so yeah okay you know you can go I’m sorry I gotta jump but thanks for the conversation um so I’ll just ask Michelle if she is

1:27:53 comfortable pushing that back um her piece back um you know maybe a week so that we can have that forum and then have a chance to reconvene I think also looking at some of the thought Exchange comments as well I think that was pretty enlightening on what’s important okay now

1:28:17 um I don’t have any new videos can we maybe get this into just into a basic document just for our next meeting just so that it’s like sort of you know the takeaways from tonight where we’re at and sort of you know then we’ve got a starting point for or you know point for where we’re going yeah and it will be good to kind of have that one have one slide with those because I I don’t make sure this forum isn’t a presentation from us it’s us listening but if we kind of say this is what we’ve come up with tell us your concerns your questions your comments your support let’s talk so you know we’ll try to do that okay sounds good I don’t have any new businesses anybody have any new business okay then I will adjourn us at 8 32