School Committee: May 1, 2026

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0:06 Oh, right. I think the only way is not. I’m going to need to Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. I am calling the meeting to order at 6:03 p.m. on Thursday, April 30th, 2026. Uh this meeting is being recorded. We’ll start with our Pledge of Allegiance.

0:35 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

0:57 Can I just make a comment? Sure. Um given that our next week is Teacher Appreciation Week, I would like to thank men and our teachers for their hard work and dedication to students of Marblehead. Um obviously without their uh professionalism, our students wouldn’t get what they need, and I just felt it compelled us to say thank you for all of our hard work and service.

1:25 We will move on to public comment. Nothing I noticed. It’s yep. Okay. Are you the only one there, Barry? Huh? Are you the only one? I think so. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I think so. I’m You sorry? Can you raise me up on the balance, please? Yes. Yes, you can. Jen. I think you have your sound off, Jen. Thank you.

1:56 Um I can’t see it though cuz I think we’re going to have some kind of night. Okay. So that

2:12 Yes, it’s tension. All right. Um Mary, I’m sorry. Go ahead. » that’s fine. I just wanted to commend all the teachers like John just said. But um today my granddaughter came home and they had the mock uh town meeting and they uh and talking about the override. I think it was a great idea and we had some serious conversations at our house. I was called senior citizen old multiple times. But you know, we did we had a discussion. And um you know, I told her how I felt and she told me, “Well, you know, the uh senior citizens like you and old people?” And I said, “Yeah, but

2:58 we have to think of the future and that’s all the kids. And without money going to our teachers, our kids are not going to have a great education and that’s where I felt. Also, too, I told her that when her dad and her uncle the same kind of the same thing happened and a lot of teachers left way back when and I said I pulled the kids out of public school and they went to private school. And so she goes, “Well, I definitely want the override now cuz I don’t want to leave town.” So thank you. And thank you cuz you were there. I don’t know. Were you » I was tomorrow at professional development today. We started this 3 years ago. » Yes, because she came home and said the superintendent was there and uh McCourt was here and Mr. Aldrich. So I want to

3:43 thank all the teachers out there. Kudos to all of them. Thank you. For all they do and everything. I know I know that something. I’m out. All right. Thank you, Mary. Did you have something from Will? Yeah, a few church » No, I you know, the little meeting actually also my topic. » Okay. All right. We will move on then to the superintendent update. Thank you very much, chairman. So, good evening. I I didn’t bring this by you, but I thought I’d give you a thought of mine. I ask you to take a moment of silence to remember Scott Boy. Who passed away recently. Scott was a long-term fixture within North Andover Public Schools as the custodian at the high school most recently at Vets. His

4:28 passing has created another void for our community. And I ask that we send positive thoughts to his wife and family. Thank you. Thank you. As I already mentioned, next week is Teacher Appreciation Week, so please take the time to thank our teachers for all their hard work in ensuring that our students are educated and safe and nurturing environments. Um Today, yesterday, sorry, the New England League of Middle Schools, also called NELMS, um came to Vets to meet with staff, students, administrators, and parents to discuss all the great things happening for our seventh and eighth graders. And NELMS visits, tours, and then learns about the school and determines whether we will meet their criteria for the Spotlight School Award. Um this is fairly prestigious. It’s not It’s not It’s exactly the same level as

5:14 NEASC, but it’s kind of like the middle school semi version of it. So, they go around and they meet different middle schools and they Um they had a big follow up and they met with the teachers and parents. I went over and did a meeting with the principal. They saw the kids, they went over the learning environment. They had a lot of really positive things to say about the school. They were like, “It’s very well kept.” Everyone seemed very excited. The students were, you know, thrilled. Um it was just all positive, so I thought that was great. So, I was excited to be able to be a part of that. Um and we should find out next week, I think it’s fairly quick turnaround whether or not we kind of made the list of whether we’re going to be recognized or with the spotlight awards. So, that would be really cool. So, stay tuned for that and I will share that with the quick committee um when we find out. Uh as Mary just mentioned they had the mock town meeting

6:01 today at the at the middle school. It was really cool. They they talked about the override. They also talked about the trash being you know a couple last year they did a couple of awards and they just they just you know um for and against. I have to say Jack Gatschet was there. So, thanks thanks to him for a lot of it. It’s really cool. Like the students got to see that. He starts off by explaining what the town meeting is, what the rules are. Um you know how things go or they do the motion, they second. It was all it was really cool. And then they um you know they went through and they they argued for and against. So, it was really neat. I think some of the you know kids you know they’re very passionate. They uh they had a lot of really solid things to say. And um the two teachers Noah and Pascal and Bill Shaw um they uh they shared like kind of their

6:46 slides and all of what they’ve been doing with the kids in the classroom and it’s like really it was really um involved and intricate. And it was really cool to see how well informed the students were. And I feel like I was saying like hey maybe we should do this for all all the towns people. It’s like it was really neat. Um so kids you know they get up in front of the microphone and they they talked and they said you know like me I’ll vote for the override or vote against and they’d say why. And they did a hand vote. And they got to the end so they voted and allowed for the you know the override to go through. And then they voted on the tiers which I know that this is going to be you know a thing at town meeting so like how how those the voting for the tiers work. Uh so Jack explained the whole thing and how the voting will um explain how it how it will go. And so the kids voted on

7:32 tier one. Then they go to the tier two and they pass. And they went to tier three and they took the vote twice and they couldn’t tell if they had any kind of so they they kids had to sit there and count. It was really cool. So, unfortunately tier three did not pass, but it was by a a very small margin. But, it’s really cool to see and I just I just saw it’s really it’s the kids were really well informed. So, thank you for everybody involved in that. It was neat. Walk bike and ride is next Wednesday, May 6th. And we’re hoping for some beautiful spring weather so that our students can enjoy the spring day. I would be remiss if I didn’t mention my thoughts about ensuring that we do so safely on the way to school. I know that you know the roads and whatnot in Marblehead are you know what they are and it’s we just need to be very careful with the extra riders out there. So, have fun and enjoy that. I want to express a thanks to the tree

8:19 warden, Jonathan Hebert, and the volunteers for planting all the beautiful trees along the drive at the village school. That’s great collaboration. Very much appreciated. I know this was this was a collaborative effort and and Kenny had something in the show. Yeah, for making that happen. So, it was really nice that they were saying “Wow, but it’s really neat. They He got in touch with me and he sent me and I shared with me like the um the the pictures of where the tree can go and we’ll buy yesterday and check them out. So, it’s really neat. I think you know, it’ll beautify the grounds. They’ll have to be careful when they’re walking through that and watch your camera yourself. But, for right now, they look really cool and I think it’s a nice addition. So, I appreciate that happening. So, you want to tell the volunteers that they can go out

9:04 there for a couple of days. They got the day off. They got that happening. So, did you want to add anything to that? Yeah, it was good. It was good. I think the purpose of this was to try and develop a campaign you know, you know, for purposes cuz we have a lot of asphalt, you know, there. So, that was part of it. And then the next project I believe is at the high school happening on is the plan to do planting there. And all of this is my understanding is this is all private donations. It’s not any town funding cuz there wasn’t any town funding for trees or very very And this is also a This is also a key I whatever they call it the heat island. All right, get very hot there. So, the purpose is to try to build a canopy to shade to keep the heat down from

9:51 large portions of asphalt. So, big thanks to John. Yeah, he contacted me just cuz he knows me and uh whatever. And so, it was it was great. And it was great thanks to you there. So, I I just Yeah, I wanted to say thanks for that cuz it it like kind of happened this way. We had a conversation and I was like, “Oh, what’s the plan?” And like they were thinking thinking of it. No, no. Nobody did though. I was like, you know, I was I was like, “Wow, this is awesome.” And then yeah, so obviously as the piece fell in, we’ll see you’ll see how how well that the thing works out. And it takes a while. Yeah. Yeah. Keep it there. And if you put the bags on so they can go That’s great. So, thank you again for that. Clearly there are many conversations taking place regarding town meeting. I just want to express my thanks to the members of the select board, the finance board, our town administrators for the ongoing communication and collaboration. I think that we have had some great

10:37 conversations in several forums by which information has been shared and I just want to express my thanks to this committee for their work that’s transpired as we head into next week. So, it’s starting to come together. I just thank everybody. I um you know, this is this is a big town meeting obviously and I think you know, the conversations that happened we had you know, I know what I want to talk about after but um yeah, I think the public forums and stuff went over really well and I think people are very appreciative of a lot of those public issues that we shared. So, it’s important to bring it to next week as well for your discussions. So, that’s all I have tonight. Thank you. Anyone have a problem with the committee if we circle circle back to him while he’s Uh what do you have for us, Mark? Thank you. Sorry I’m late. I went to the Brown School. I was there. Oh, I came Yeah, I Yeah, I got to the wrong side. Apologies. Um Anyway, hello. Uh it’s been a long time

11:23 since I’ve given an update, but I was to update on which is great. Uh it’s now the fourth quarter. So, congrats to every student for finishing the third quarter and good luck now going into the fourth, home stretch, right? Um the beginning of the fourth quarter also means it’s time for senior project. Over 150 members of my class, class of 2026, are going out into our community uh to take part in their internships and passion projects. I myself working with uh one of my best friends um to fundraise for the track team. We’re raising money through this uh cool like community track meet we’re putting on with track team alums and parents as well as middle school and village school students. So, we think it’s pretty cool um and we’re going to use the money for track stuff, jerseys, and getting wasted at the indoor track, which is pretty cool. Um but it’s been really neat to see

12:08 people taking their passions inside and outside the classrooms into the community and into town, making a difference. Um it’s been pretty meaningful, so it’s cool. Um AP tests begin on May 4th and run through May 15th. Good luck everyone taking any AP courses. I can confidently say from the classes I’ve taken, as well as those of my peers, uh the teachers here at MHS and Marblehead Public Schools do a prepare us wonderfully. Uh the tests are hard, but I know you’re all in a great spot to do well. Good luck. Um Mamma Mia! is tomorrow and this weekend. Uh I myself am also going with one of my friends. Um it’s going to be exciting, I think. I’ve heard good things um from two of my friends who are on the crew and then one who’s acting in So, I’m excited for that as well. Uh athletics, baseball 7 and 4, softball

12:54 is 9 and 5, boys lacrosse is 7 and 2, boys tennis 6 and 2, and just seated number one in the Division 3 Massachusetts power rankings. Congrats. Uh the girls tennis is 5 and 3, girls lacrosse is 4 and 5, boys track is 4 and 1, girls track is 2 and 3, and the sailing team couldn’t find their record, but I was talking to my friend earlier today and they beat St. John’s Prep yesterday at home. So, congrats to everyone there. Also, our final round of concerts is coming up. The spring concert for band is Monday, May 18th, which I’ll be performing in, and the orchestra and choral concerts are just afterwards. So, good luck to every student in all their upcoming spring obligations. Um good luck to seniors who are on you know, final stretch. And good luck to everyone else. Uh thank thank you. Thanks a lot. Thanks too.

13:40 I should really thank you all. I’ll speak for myself and you and ask for the school committee running team. Three more

13:50 be very ugly. The next meeting will be at the round table. That’s the end. Right.

14:00 I’ve done I’ve done that twice. So, it’s still on the video conference. Um all right, we’re back to the the superintendent from the district improvement plan update. » Yeah, so thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh so, just an update to the committee. I share you know, I shared this with you by email and dropped it in Dropbox. So, where where I am in the process, I I just kind of re I kind of reflect on what we had done and what it where where we are looking for at this point. So, thank you all. Um we had originally done you know, a draft uh draft um district improvement plan shared with the M&T the direct admin team. We went through all of that. They gave me a feedback. I made changes based upon that feedback. I sent it out to staff. Um And they did the same thing. I had feedback I had their feedback. I changed up sent it out to

14:47 parents, guardians. Um and did the same thing. Um so, it’s it’s been an iterative process iterative process and I think it’s uh it’s helpful because from where we started to where we are now, it feels as if it’s become a little more robust. Um some of the feedback that I’ve gotten has been great because, you know, it’s it’s things that, you know, you you’re you think of it but you may not think of it in the way that we’re speaking with a parent or a you know, a teacher lens or So, it’s it’s been really helpful to kind of go through and um kind of just add add it makes things that’s not clearly, you know, every single piece of feedback doesn’t go into the the piece so a lot like oh, this is great but you know, I see I see you got to look at this and it’s maybe not something specific to be in there, but just it’s allowed to have people take the opportunity to provide feedback in general.” Which is awesome.

15:33 So, I just want to share that. So, at this point, I’ll share kind of some of the updates that we’re putting in from the from the parents on how we want to do this. I’ll share that in a second. But what I’m looking for at this point is for I figured I’d do this update tonight and then ask you to provide me any other feedback that you may have so that we can I can back on a finalized draft document for you guys to look back and vote on. I’ve got two things I was going to ask you. What’s the easiest What’s the best way for any of you to provide feedback? Like maybe just have you email me or I can set up kind of like I did for the parents where I, you know, I sent it out the day and I sent out a survey that had like I should have only had people answer like, you know, under each objective or goal. And then it it gave you the data that we saw like and then after we do that, I just wanted to be

16:18 able to pull that stuff out in that in that case. So, you guys want to let me know what you think is best for you already. I think I think without having to chat with you guys mostly. We talked about it earlier. John, do you want us to give you like the one way to do it or you don’t want to have a different No, I don’t do it. We should decide a way. I just wanted to have that part of the discussion today. So, is that is it okay now? So, what do we What’s the convenient thing? Are there any interest in doing it in an open meeting? Like together? Um And otherwise you’re getting Yeah, I think one-on-one. I don’t know. Well, so what I did was so it it depends on how we do it, right? So, like how I did it with the parents was I did it it kind of as a survey. So, everyone answered the answered or like, you know,

17:04 had their feedback in and then all the data came to me. So, under their goal number one, they had everybody’s feedback and goal number two, they had his feedback. And that’s that was helpful cuz then I could just collect everything and sift through it and then make whatever changes. So, that would be helpful. Or if, you know, you don’t need to do a survey form, you know, so we’ll get people that something you want to do it that way, and the email, but then the email is kind of like, you know, the official one we go with. So, um I mean, that’s what I’ve done in the past, but yeah, well Well, we ultimately have to vote this, right? Right. So, like what what I’m hoping to do is get the get the feedback from everybody heard altogether, bring it back, you guys meet here again, and then we have final thing to vote on it. Um that’s I’m I’m open to feedback. I think it may be helpful if the initial thing that is

17:49 happening is from giving sort of more specific feedback in the form of almost like edits. But, if that was happening, whether it’s by email or survey, I don’t really care that much. Um and then we have the opportunity to have a discussion internally about, you know, it might give John an opportunity to synthesize some of the feedback and respond to it, and then we can discuss. I mean, the other opportunity is we like when we do the evaluation, there’s sort of a similar process. The evaluation is done, you know, together through the community, and we can be transparent, and the community can hear what we think about this, and and it would be kind of one and done. I would imagine that we would I’m not saying they initially vote it. In that but our

18:36 if we would collectively agree on what our um what our recommendation and what our comments are, and then John can go and implement those, and then back to the people.

18:49 This seems like I was kind of on the both, right? And you know, so we we do eventually have to talk about it as a community, but whether we vote on it that same night or not, we can discuss, but I think there might be some efficiency around this giving us all an opportunity for us to just mail John some inputs, just so I think it would be cuz it’s it’s a pretty long document. And I’m just thinking out of both of them because they both have When are you looking to have this approved? Uh I It needs to be approved prior to the start of next school year. I’m going to suggest that you try to do this before the election. That’s your, you know, you’re going to have a new person on the board who’s not necessarily gone through this process. So, my suggestion is I can do it in the

19:35 form of a motion that this is done by May 31st.

19:41 Or whatever. I think we have a meeting on June or whatever that day is. I believe it’s like in the first week in June. So, it could be the goal and it’s voted on. I know we have a June meeting and I would think that I think it’s important just supposed to be that it would be important to me to do something. Well, you will have a different committee, you know, so in some way, shape, or form. Um it’s the same issue we used to fall into with the evaluations. So, it was that you’d have a new committee to do the evaluation like by June 30th. And then they’d have that group to do that. And it’s like, I don’t know. This is Yeah, it’s always That’s always keeping us from trying. I I mean, I would I would prefer that it get it done by by June 30th just so we can, one, stay a full minute, two, I’ve worked on this for like a year and a half now. So, like

20:27 not just that, but just to have it in in so it’s out there and it’s voted on and it’s published in that way. You know, our principals they they’re going to start They’re going to be coming in and doing their school improvement plans starting next meeting. And what I’ve had them do is kind of do the school improvement plans and following some of this stuff, you know, that old law stuff from the district. So, it’ll start developing, but then next year for sure like I’m going to spend next year getting it even better. So, and there’s always that overlap that I I think I’ve talked with them before. So, again, it would be helpful to get the feedback and then bring it back and have a conversation, but if again, whatever you guys decide, just let me know and we’ll I’ll do whatever you feel is best. Is that a motion on the table then? So, I’ll second it if so. So, Um I don’t know if we just do it in I don’t know if we need a motion. I was going to try to put it or I don’t mind if we do, but maybe we could put it

21:14 So we want to have approval of the school committee at the June 4th meeting. Yeah. So that’s what I’m getting at. So do we want to also have our discussion on that same day or have it the week before and then get John or Rick Yeah. So Yeah, I just mean that we need your feedback. It would be two weeks That’s what I’m trying to back up to, right? So It would be two weeks before, right? I’m just going to be like We meet on the 7th and the 21st. So if I have your feedback by the 21st, I can still be have that would give me enough time to put it together for the conversation and edit well in advance. Yeah, I wouldn’t do that. I would need to do it before that. I think we should have the conversation on the 21st. We might vote it and we don’t vote it. Then we would you can get to vote it. Yeah.

22:00 Oh, sorry. I just I didn’t say No, I thought you was talking about us getting everything to you by the 21st and you compile it and present it to us on the 4th. Oh, yeah. We may not be able to vote. Yeah, discuss it on the 21st. We get the feedback to you a couple of weeks before that or whatever that is and then we either vote it on the 21st and if not before. Well, today’s the 30th. 30th. So what if we had all comments to you by May 8th? That’s reasonable. I think so. Yeah, that’s reasonable cuz it’ll be passed. And then you’ll have a couple of weeks to put together it’s two weeks to All right. So so feedback to John by May 8th. Discussion we’ll discuss it on May 21st. I guess we could vote it if we felt we were at that point, but no later than

22:46 June 4th, we think. Yeah. I like having the the 21st cuz we may give you some edits. And if that you need some time to think to incorporate you can maybe discuss on the That’s the timeline that’s followed instead of rather than me around how you would like to provide the feedback. I would prefer an email. I have my stuff right now. Okay. All right. That’s how I’m going to » I’m fine with that, too. I My only question would be, did you ask specific questions in the survey? Or was it basically like » basically just I sent out the survey to the parents and you know, here’s the here’s the curriculum plan draft. Here’s, you know, just give me your feedback on each. And it was I used the survey which basically goal number one, what’s your feedback? Goal number two, what’s your feedback? And in people provided decent feedback and they and they did a next job of kind

23:32 of delving into it with, you know, like this sort of follow up on goal number one and this objective was blah and you need that this, which I did and yeah, so I think from from you if we just say goal number one, here’s my feedback. Goal number two, here’s my feedback. I think we just put it in where it needs to go and that’s what we’ve been doing all along. It’s time consuming but it’s not It was a little five minutes or so. It’s not doing all the parents and all the staff. That’s why I say it’s a little bit difficult. That’s fine. Emails so emails fine with me basically. Sounds good. Is there a marked in on that? » just added I just want to let I’ll just highlight kind of what what I got from the parents and that you had seen this before I sent it to the parents so I won’t go through the whole thing but under goal one, there was some question there was some con- conversation about

24:17 how we should put stuff in there on artificial intelligence and then digital literacy so I added that to the I’m under objective A, um address the use of artificial intelligence as a learning tool and then you got your pastoral curriculum, assessments and ensure the teachers you want to see as an integral part of the curriculum. Uh there was also some conversations about multiple conversations about Chromebooks and the technology and the use in the classrooms and » Which falling Under goal one. Second box down. Um so I added in the review of the use of technology I Chromebooks in the classroom and ensure there’s a balance between screen time and hands-on experience and learning and the feedback was around A lot of feedback I can see. Teachers are just putting the kids on the Chromebooks and not doing, you know, face-to-face, you know, hands-on and kind of all of that kind of stuff so That was way down at the bottom. that

25:04 there. And then going forward to goal number two, uh second objective C, talked about several avenues both celebrating educators as well as ensuring developing educators are supported probably through thesis success in the classroom. So, there was some conversation about, you know, newer teachers we talked about the mentoring program and stuff like that and how we kind of enhance that with more. And there was something similar um a little bit further on about administrators like how do we provide new administrators um you know, proper resources and supports so they can be effective in the school. So, that’s under uh that came under the next goal. So, that was in the number two, number three um objective A and then ensure that the appropriate professional development is in place to assist new teachers and training to

25:50 involve parents that kind of dealt with that with the biggest goal. And then the administrators was further down that page to provide new administrators with mentorship, guidance and alignment with the district mission and promote appropriate model of success. And determine avenues by which staff can provide feedback to administrators, enhance collaboration, communication and alignment and culture building efforts. That came up with the staff and the parents they really wanted to be able to have that how do I tell our teachers give my give our administrators feedback. So, that that was important. Um in schools Yes. Yeah, so that’s you know, that that’s all happening. Um and then under goal number four student support um objective D, uh there was some conversations about

26:35 online safety, cyberbullying, um social media partnership. Um so, under objective B I added that in establish avenues to address online safety, cyberbullying and use of social media partnership with parents and caregivers. There was several comments about that how we use schools helping to keep my my children safe around um social media and things like that. And that has to be a partnership, so that’s why it’s going to be after that way. And then two boxes down from there, there was some conversations about you know, what’s new and explain the restorative order justice when we were at the bottom of restorative practice. And what does that mean? How So, we ended in establishing maintaining restorative practices at all grade levels staff and students understand expectations and natural consequences for behavior. That means

27:21 previous that I said restorative practices that wasn’t defined. I’m I’m sorry, objective D and the last box down. It says establish and maintain restorative practices at all grade levels. And then the next bullet was create and maintain consistent procedures to address student behavior that is consistent with restorative practice protocols across the school. So, that’s come up in several different forms. Came up in our in our joint safety committee with the union. It’s come up in a couple of PTO and parent meetings I’ve had. Um it’s come up in our um uh anti-discrimination committee, like how we track and behaviors, how we’re doing this. And and then in our admin meetings and our admin meetings, it’s it’s that’s a big ticket item in terms of how we

28:06 how we how we like what are behaviors, how are we addressing them, how are we tracking them, how are we making sure that there’s natural consequences in place, and how we getting system up that across the district. So, that’s been a big question. It’s probably going to be one of the bigger administrative goals next year as well as an evaluation evaluation goal. Um we’ve done a lot of work that needs to get better. And we get that from both the we get that feedback from the staff and the so, you can tell when you get anything from both sides it’s something that we have to address, right? So, I thought that was really helpful feedback. And then I was a whole lot more. So, under goal five we had governance and under objective C, it talked about the very first box improvement, streamline district wide

28:52 system services operations through the use of enhanced tools and technology that will provide additional time and resources to meet current and future student needs. Um, it was more like we just needed like avenues to understand um, how the district systems and services work for like thinking forward. So, I don’t I necessarily know the massaging but I want to put you in there. So, some of those things, you know, we can probably word that a little bit better but it needs a little more clarity but that was one of the feedbacks. And then other than that, I was actually surprised it wasn’t a whole lot on the financial asset management piece. Um, but who was it? I mean, I think it was Yeah, right. Oh, yeah. I mean, from the from the parents and guardians of the students. Um, yeah. So, that that’s where we are now. So, I look forward to,

29:38 you know, to getting your feedback in addition to this. I think it’s important um, to have this holistic approach. And then what we’ll do is um, the other thing I would say is, you know, prior to this district wide student benefit success, um, that you know, I don’t want to I want to we’re going to talk a little bit more about that cuz, you know, that was a lot of work. I put in this that and, you know, for for several years and how we kind of got to that point. How is that dovetailing into this district? Yeah, we’ll talk a little more about it when we start talking with the principals on steps and stuff. Cuz I want to make sure we acknowledge the work that had been done leading up to to this much faster much faster different approach. So, And this is um, this is 2026 to 2020 so it’s 2026 2027 through 20 28 2029.

30:24 Right. The school years because of the pandemic. Um, and you know, it’s going to be that’s just kind of a micro budget. This one is looking for your advice. Students benefit success is going to be live which this one possibly minus is that but I think we are trying to develop a lot of work and keep it fresh and keep it rejuvenated and you know, sometimes putting fires out for certain things really I mean, you know, you find yourself not I said, “Well, I slept for 3 years besides that I thought my experience is the easiest of the task.” And so, what we’ll do as an admin team once it’s all voted is we’ll just we’ll make sure that we revisit these in an ongoing way. And like I said, the new this school improvement plan is more closely aligned with this one cuz we’ll be so

31:10 I think it’s, you know, again it’s it’s nice. Even when it’s approved and whatever it is doesn’t mean it’s done. We revisit it and change it. And there’s some things that will be meeting whatever and there’s some things that will be not meeting in 3 years and that’s fine and that’s what that means. It’s not written in stone. That’s all I have for now. Hey John, I just want to I know we’re not getting into the details tonight on this, right? But I I don’t want to bring up a couple of just cuz they they get mayhemed, how we we process it as as individuals. Um first one is I mean, we can say something we’re correct. So, I brought this up before, but if you look at goal one objective A right? And you look at the right hand column, which is assessment and evidence Yep. It talks about a curriculum committee

31:57 meeting date, agendas, and minutes. And a roster of committee members. Mhm. A meeting to me is not an assess is not proof of something being done, right? It’s a how. And hopefully what happens at the that meeting or meetings produces evidence, an assessment of that particular strategy or objective, but it’s throughout this document where where you’ll see meeting as evidence and I’m I I don’t see that it’s I don’t see a meeting as an appropriate assessment or evidence to use. » feedback, right? But I guess the reason I’m bringing it up is just cuz I don’t know if I’m smart enough to also then say, “Well, it should be replaced by this.” So, that’s why I’m just bringing it up. could be the title of that box needs to title the post. The way I look at and

32:43 you may be right and that and that’s that’s fine. Um I look at you know, in other words, to be able to address those things that are on left on left hand side, you need to have the time and resources to do that. That’s That’s where that comes in. So, maybe assessment evidence isn’t the right title. So, one of the things just so you know uh that I have in my comments which I will deliver to to John is there’s no deliverable and there’s no data. Like what do we put the it talks about data but not specifically data. » it up. And what are deliverables? So, I think that’s a you know, a fair certainly a fair um comment and you know, I feel the same way. So, I Right. And the reason I bring it up is just maybe other people help us in looking at that. They may have not thought of that. Maybe they can focus on that and then provide some » No, and I think that’s

33:29 that’s probably feedback maybe as you know, as far as deliverables. Most probably us. I mean, I have a couple of ideas that I put that that I’d like to see but I think that I think the purpose of this these you know, if we say, “Okay, well, we need a net box that says deliverable.” That’s up to to superintendent to say, “This is what I’m going to deliver.” And perhaps even a timeline or not perhaps give me a timeline. Um and and then you know, I suppose as committee members we can if there’s a feeling that we need to push back, that’s fine but I think that between John and his staff to tell us this is how this is going to be delivered and this is how we measure it, data wise. Okay. Yeah. The only other comment is

34:14 I guess I’m just looking for you know, your experience both of you around these kind of plans, right? Because there’s six goals, 22 objectives, 59 improvement strategy boxes and over 100 maybe 150 individual strategies. So, So know we’re talking about three years, multiple schools, but I just was kind of a gut check. Is this Is this kind of a reasonably sized strategies and objectives for us, or is it a bit much based on what you’re seeing here? Yes and no. So when you look at it everything you just said is a point that this is a lot is this is this reasonable? What I can tell you is that in my experience this or talk about this or something like that.

35:00 And what I what I seen is that do you do you hit every single every single box in this thing? No, but you strive for it, right? So you might say, “Okay, as you’re going through it and you’re and you’re addressing some of the the feedback or areas of growth, you know, and they become a bigger area of like as you as you’re doing PD or you know, curriculum meeting like things like growth and then you get more focus on that. Sometimes other areas will kind of fall away a little bit. So they have to be prioritized. So what happens is that’s that’s the reason why for a 3-year 3-year plan you might say like halfway through that plan I know for a fact I’m not going to get to it. It’s pending. So I know that I have to re-revisit that for another following

35:47 year. And we have this conversation. So what I’ve done in the past and Gary we think this is a video is I’ve done like updates yearly like maybe quarterly or whatever you say. Here and we’ve it’s been approved now. So maybe in October or whatever we say, “Here’s Here’s what we’ve done so far. We’ve met as an admin team, we addressed these areas, we’ll work on these, we’ve done a survey.” Whatever it is. And not any updates going to be every single every, you know, 120 boxes, but the bigger items where we can say this is what we’ve worked on. And then as we go through you’ll know that’s part of the evaluation process of like are we are we hitting the targets or not. If the answer is no then maybe we overshot. I look at it very similarly to evaluation goals. So if you have an

36:32 evaluation with your teacher or with your principal, and you say I’m planning on doing this in this period of time, and this is what I’m shooting for, and you get like halfway through the year, and then like you realize you were over shot, it’s okay. You just have the conversation with your consultant. That’s it’s going to happen in in a lot of this. We’re not going to hit at the end of three years this won’t be all the other stuff. We’re going to absolutely not. But I always think that, you know, you want to shoot for, you know, you want to have higher aspirations than not. Um and then just really be clear like I’m not going to meet this goal, or I’m going to meet this goal very partially, and that’s okay. You know, we just continue and then how it how it shifts and adjusts. So um that’s why I suggested them. So it’s very nebulous, and it’s it is it’s a lot of work, but it’s also a big meaningful

37:17 needed to be able to address address all of the areas, right? Those six goals are I didn’t think those up. I was giving you guys the six. So like it’s it’s areas that, you know, they’re big things that we need to work on through the district. Yeah, I guess what you Yeah, moving along, but I guess what you just discussed it would I agree with the approach, but I would then refer like goals and stretch goals. Right? So you want to make sure that you’re not spending too much effort on a stretch goal and not doing goals that have to be met. But we’ll see how people respond to that. But I don’t the principal behind what you said I agree with. And I do think a lot not some of these things and I

38:03 don’t take are you’re already doing. You know, a lot of this is what you do day-to-day. So something like the like continually review special education models, services, scheduling. So I mean, we are doing that. I know we’re doing that. But this I think sort of puts it in a box, and then you can we’ll talk about, you know, how we’re going to measure it, and hopefully you what the deliverables are. But you know, a lot of this is your own fault. » Well, okay, and you do I mean you’re right. But you got to get I look at it this way. Yes, you’re right and it also helps keep us on task, right? So, it’s almost like it’s improvement like it’s not all necessarily new strategies. It’s these strategies need to have in place so that we can proceed and build on it. Um so, yes, like all of that is true and and you know, and again when we talk about it and you know, if you guys envision it differently that I mean

38:49 that’s going to get so I mean we’ll we’ll All right. At the end of the day, I think I have some common ground and I think that makes sense to this community but also to the new customers in this district. All right. Thank you. All right. All right, we’ll move on to the consent and action in the agenda items. So, I am looking for a motion to approve the following. The identified schedules of bills totaling $735, $165.42.

39:22 And also the meeting minutes from April 9th, 2026. So moved. Second. All right, motion has been made by Kate. Seconded by Henry.

39:36 All right, discussion? All right, all those in favor? All right, the motion passes 5 to 0.

39:47 Okay, the uh now we’ll move on to uh our discussion items, uh section four. Uh the first one Lucy you had asked us to discuss around communication forms with the public. Yeah, Henry and I in the um communications um subcommittee I guess it’s two weeks ago at this point and I started to talk a little bit about this and wanted to put it on for the full community to talk about. Um we had a couple of public Q&A forums this week that um I I was not at uh but I think went quite well and the intention was just talking about kind of a next step of that over the next month making a plan of what that looks like for how we can continue to get out in the public and have those conversations and make sure we’re answering people’s questions that have all the information that they need to make an educated vote

40:33 on June 9th. I don’t know if you have anything you want to add. » Yeah, I mean, so I participated in two sort of open office hour style conversations over the past two days. John’s there, Dan and Melissa were there, Molly was there. Um, and I thought that the format worked pretty well. I I think you did a more formal Yeah. There was a with Yeah. And um I just think it I wanted to get a sense of who’s interested in doing that and if you know, I think of course if you know, we do have to be careful if Melissa and I were at the same open office hours, we do have to post that we have to produce minutes and I just want

41:19 to make sure that we’re not um you know being careful about the legal responsibility. That also extends to our legal responsibility to provide information but not advocate for a side if we’re saying, you know, call me with a school committee member. That’s different from saying call me with a you know, just a private citizen. Um, so uh I just wanted to be sure we’re laying the ground rules that everybody’s on the same page with them and um I’m happy to keep scheduling my own events and I can send out notes to anybody who’s interested or everybody to just gauge interest as, you know, at

42:04 the moment. I know this is sort of jumping the gun a little bit ahead of town meeting, but I I just thought it was worthwhile to have a discussion. Are you thinking that the school-specific events or something that you would sort of continue to coordinate with select board? I think that I think there’s value in continuing to coordinate with select board. Although, I think both would work. My experience and we had our forms adopted out. So, so my experience there was um there was a lot there were a lot more questions about the town side than the school side. Um people certainly were happy to talk to me about the schools, but I I think they

42:51 came there with questions regarding you know, really two things. One of which we can’t really help with too much, which is the town budget and the budget and what they’re asking for. The other one is just clarity about the mechanics of ballot, which again, you know, we still hasn’t been approved at town meeting. But, I think people want to unders- wanted to understand this a little bit more before they vote on the day. And that’s something we can help with because I think we can educate about how the tiers work and what we’re asking for in each tier for the school. Um so, I would I The ones that I’m going to schedule going forward are probably going to

43:36 continue to be less formal open office hours style you know, meetings with the town. Um one advantage that I found there was that I mean, we had four or five different conversations going on at once because someone talked to Johnston, Johnston talked to me, talked to me. So, but you know, we were able to sort of serve a greater group a lot more. Frankly, and and the turnout wasn’t huge, but I I think, you know, five people show up and we have them there. I think I think you know, there are people’s opinions, but it might be helpful to just have you or have your sub committee sort of service the point people coordinating with you know, the select board and then

44:23 you know, whoever is available to attend an event on behalf of the school committee and wants to do it, you know, can kind of jump in and » Yeah, I I’m happy to learn that. That’s a good idea. I think that’s » Except you have to make sure you don’t have to Yeah, that’s right. » You don’t have three people and we don’t have two members of the same sub committee. Yeah. And if we do, we just post it. No, you don’t have to post it. You just can’t deliberate on anything that you will potentially deliberate. So » Yeah. If you and I attended, we would not talk about anything to do with the school case. Okay. Or anything that we potentially deliberate. » Yeah, I I was finding it was kind of a wishy-washy answer for me whether or not to post the meeting or not. Um

45:08 and I was going to play it safe by posting the meeting. I think if we have the time to do it, we may as well. Then you still have to do minutes. Yeah, I think the minutes, you know, would be a little easier to do cuz there’s not not going to be any motions or votes, I think. Um there won’t be really no no call for that. Um so, I’m happy to sort of But did you post the ones that you already have? I didn’t do it. It was just me and Oh, okay. Yeah. Um so, I was I was the only one in school. Um so, I’ll I’m happy to share some dates, building calendar, and and if you know, basically Dan and I just put dates and ask people if they

45:55 It’s easier than trying to sort of » Good idea. get everybody to find a date that works and just hopefully people can make it. I thought it was great. The main thing not only did did I have some great conversations with folks, but it helped me understand the areas where they’re maybe lacking some understanding that we can help clarify. And that helps me develop communication with them. Yeah. Yeah. I like the idea and you do too in the meeting. There’s one any point. Um and I’m willing to help if I’m available. You know, I don’t I don’t think I should coordinate and manage it doesn’t mean you have to do it all. You know, you have to do it all, right? You can’t be in every single one. So, I have no problem.

46:41 Well, I’ll share the dates and times. I mean, I think we’re trying to get a mix of daytime and and to meet up people who can’t make it until after work or people who best time is when they pick their kids up from school. Uh Uh And the And the other thing would be and I think we have this under you know, our subcommittee reports a little bit, but um I’d like to make sure that if it’s appropriate that there’s a report back to us cuz something may come up that right, either the people who are there may not be able to speak to or likely something that it’s an idea or suggestion that you know, I just want to make sure that it’s thought of. I’m assuming that you’ll do that anyway, I do but you know, kind of just making sure that we all gain maybe some wisdom and learning from from these meetings even if we’re not there. I think that’s

47:27 a great point because if again, we are or you know, I was attending these as a representative of the school. So, um it does make sense for the the school committee to be at least informed. I mean, I think it’s important. I I just chime in for a second. I wanted to follow up on the Dallas one so we were chatting about the summer school social security item. The panel discussion was a very very big long one with the most scholarship and some of the conversation with our driver but it was a full panel discussion on this. There were five people on that. Um but it was much bigger cuz when I went to both after they got the dots in the morning got the dots, what I saw was people came in and they’re like, “Oh, yeah, the superintendent. I don’t want to have these schools, but you know, that they said you know, they

48:12 tell me like they keep saying they follow school law and that and then they said dots are not going to work anyway. So it was really cool. I I talked to probably half of the people in the two days around almost everyone said they felt like school and they asked the question saying do you use walk through the tiers? And what does that mean? And if you don’t get the tier, what does that mean? So the thing I liked about it was that the face-to-face and it was really good to have this conversation even though it wasn’t a ton of people. I think it was about a dozen people the first day and maybe about 10 people, but um but like like Henry said, like people are talking here and over there and people over here are talking and they’re there and I had a woman come up to me and goes, “Oh, I you know, I’m fine with the schools and everything. I actually have some people in the town so I’m like what the answer is over here.” And so it was good. We we did that back and forth and um it was um I felt the I felt it was it was um

49:00 it was a close. Everyone that I spoke to was very thankful. They they tell me they were listening very well and more of these. Um yeah, it was it was all part of everything that I spoke about. We did get some good feedback today I think on some things. Um that didn’t really work out just how to communicate but um I think it was great. I think it was great so process. I appreciate Henry doing it. Um I think it was just kind of staggering me like like you said, we’re going to kind of get there I think. They’re just looking for some of the talk to them and they’ll carry it with me or then deal with it but something like they just spoke to one. What I do is you know, they had done the scope of the use that I was taking is great so you know, I was able to refer to that for the things and you know, went down the hall and stuff. What I’m saying you know, so it was um

49:46 interesting. It’s cool. I I had to like talk to my father and say about it. Um to your point about being there as a school committee representative. I think Al shared information about a training session tomorrow at noon that I think for all of us would be really important to make sure we participate in just to make sure we all understand applied going into the next month. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Good.

50:16 Um so, the next thing I know I had you would ask for this to be put on our warrant articles. I believe you may have asked specifically about article 25, but I think we should discuss all four of these um just to see if they’re needed. Um and then if not, do we indefinitely postpone? Yeah, I mean I think that was I think this is just some housekeeping before town meeting to to be sure that that you know we don’t have we’re not all I guess we have to decide if we’re having a capital needs house. The and I believe John that the recommendation of the administration is to not have that we’re not having not to have a capital needs article. » need to call the people of Carlisle so they’re pretty clear on that so we

51:03 I don’t know. back off on the warrant and then on the school committee. So, why I said wasn’t having a meeting Yeah, I mean I think it does make sense just pull out. It does make sense to I did want it to to go over the the capital needs that were that were brought to us by by Mike and John today. I believe that this this has been shared a few times, but It’s what You need to share you just going to go over it for me. Here it is. Um Yeah, I may as well. Should I have the ability to count? Thank you.

52:03 Okay, yeah, it looks pretty small, but uh

52:08 Thank you. Yeah. All right, so these are sort of prioritized and you know, that’s the organization of this list. So, I believe what they prioritized were health and safety. Um so, you have bus camera systems, the Glover playground, um the clock and bell system at Vets, and the Village School fencing were sort of the 1A items. And we do have quotes and estimates our estimates here. Um the field house I believe that we were going to ask for 1A and 1B items initially. Do Does Mike want to chime in here? We’re going to have to update. We’re We’re lucky we have to update the series cuz so I’m going to talk about this a little bit with this on these matters.

52:55 Yeah. a lot more ready so Mike, do you have any Do you want to chime in here? No, this is This is the recommendation that the administration made to the school committee as um Henry has up on the screen there. And we provided this to the town, um you know, understanding the financial situation of the town for the FY27. Uh I don’t believe that any of this material will be No, on the town side capital request will be brought forward at this time. Um there are existing lease obligations that will be brought forward as part of town meeting warrant, but nothing new from my understanding will be brought forward. So, just to be clear cuz the articles aren’t actually written out here. So, 25 and 26 were

53:43 select board articles. No, they’re school committee articles. they’re I read the drive first actually. How long is that? Um and then 27 and 28 were also school department versus school building. Okay, got it.

54:00 I mean we have the ability to go forward on doesn’t and we’re not dependent on Yeah, I just said when we were discussing some of the facility subcommittee we determined that this was a decision to be made by the full board. Right.

54:20 Uh my recommendation would be following the finance committee. I don’t Jen, I don’t know the exact language that we could do or we can definitely postponing these in or is that an action that would take place at town meeting? Yeah. Uh no, we are need to make a recommendation to town meeting on what we’re asking them to do. Okay. So we are either asking them to indefinitely postpone or we’re asking them to fund this. Yeah. I’m happy to re-share this with anyone. It is going to change I mean but this was these are the big ones.

55:11 Um I guess for purposes of discussion I will make a motion to recommend that we indefinitely postpone article 25. I mean I’ll second. All right, motion has been made by Henry, seconded by Melissa. Any further discussion?

55:41 Um just to keep things clean, I will make a motion to recommend to indefinitely postpone the Article 26 school building technology needs. I’ll second. I’ll second. All right, motion made by Henry, seconded by Melissa. And I don’t know if anybody has any discussion on that. If if if John or Mike, if you want to talk about So far All this was uh the thing that we used is uh in the pre-K to 2 here at the TXB. Yeah. This particular second year in every column for looking at putting the technology back in. So we did we followed this and the elements as far as the capital improvement plan was posed. Okay. Okay.

56:29 Any further discussion? Uh all in favor? Okay, the motion passes five to zero.

56:40 All right, I’ll make a uh motion to recommend to indefinitely postpone Article 27 school department capital needs. What are we That is it. Yep. Yep. Uh school right, school department capital needs. Thank you. I’ll second. All right, motion made by Henry, seconded by Melissa. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Okay, the motion passes five to zero. And finally, I’ll make a motion to recommend to indefinitely postpone Article 28 school department supplemental appropriation. Second. Second. Okay, motion’s been made by Henry, seconded by Melissa. Any further uh discussion?

57:28 We will be in session at town meeting, um and so my preference would be to not take any action on this article right now and wait see you know get through the budget article at our meeting we make a decision on this. We do have to have a legal recommendation. down meeting. So we can do it that night. And then you have to stand up and you would stand up and I mean that’s tough cuz usually it’s a picture in the bottom. So um I don’t know what I don’t know. I don’t know what to do. Um Maybe we’ll say maybe

58:06 I I I’ll withdraw my motion. And » Um

58:14 Oh everything. Yeah. Um Well discussing this motion I mean

58:22 Yeah we can vote for it. Or you can vote on anything. I mean what is what is the concern? Article Article number 29 is the um What would What would happen? If you were to vote Like cuz article 29 is to be over you know the town lawyer and then the government services department right? So If I I don’t know.

58:53 Like article 28 comes before 29 you can’t you can’t know for sure that they’re going to be taking that vote. I don’t know for sure that anything is going to happen. But my personal preference is that I would like to leave options open to the committee. Um by the time meeting is over. Okay. I I don’t have an objection to leaving options open. I mean this is This is was really meant to be sort of house cleaning or or some some Don’t have a problem. » If I could say yeah I think that these are housekeeping, that these were put together in January before large-scale override discussions were had, and whether it was going to be an individual for the school committee or

59:42 an individual for a town or a joint. So, I think it was put together with the unknown. I think we have a better clear understanding of where we are moving with an override, much very much clearer understanding. Um so, I agree with Henry that this was really housekeeping to the extent that if there was not an override presented on the with the school and towns together, that we’d have an opportunity to have one for ourselves if we needed to. Understood. But it’s our article, so we do need to make a recommendation. I guess what Cuz you got to have them out. You got to have something » for last and tell me we need to vote on this. Yeah. So, you have to have a recommendation. You got to tell them what your recommendation is. Mhm.

1:00:28 If I could add even further, I think our budget is right-sized budget, and we don’t need an override for fiscal 27. So, I’m not sure that there would be any reason not to indefinitely postpone this one. So, I agree with you, Mike, assuming that the budget that is being put before town meeting is the one that’s approved when Article 23 is put up for a vote. So, that’s But, you know, if other people don’t agree, that means we can vote it down. Let’s see where we land. I I guess I’m trying to say » Let me show how you would even necessarily do that at the floor town meeting. I’ve got time necessarily to deliberate. I don’t know. If the moderator gives you time to take a vote, I have no idea. I don’t

1:01:14 know how it would turn out, either. But, yeah. This is a very It’s been a very challenging budget cycle and process within the town. And you know, the school department is participating in an override request, but

1:01:38 I just my preference would be to leave an option open for ourselves if we need to opt out. But what I mean I I just don’t see how that would work with how we would have time you know, time to deliberate at town meeting. You’re not going to say you’re going to be given time to do that. And then come up with enough because you can open up. You’re not going to definitely postpone. And then this is to Mike’s point, this is for FY 27. So I don’t know how you would I’m trying to Yeah, I’m trying to understand. Your concern is that when we present our budget, there’s a possibility that there will be changes to that budget

1:02:25 that won’t make us that won’t be comfortable with. And you want to have an option after that vote to ask for additional funds to recover some of that budget. I don’t think that’s the way to do that. I mean, if you’re concerned that someone’s going to put a hold on the space and that’s what you’re thinking. Someone’s going to put a hold. It’s the only way it happens. Someone puts a hold on school budget. And then amend it to I presume they’d lower our budget, obviously. So, if that were to happen and that were to pass I don’t know that the remedy to that would be a supplemental appropriation. I think you would school we I don’t know. We would have to you know, we would probably try to deliberate and

1:03:11 amend that on the floor depending on how you know, we’d have to be in the prevailing party. I mean, it’s I Like I said, I you know, I think it can play out a lot of different ways and my preference my thought process was just we can wait and at town meeting we can can definitely you know ask you can definitely postpone this article. But again, it’s a committee majority decision. Maybe okay. Purposefully maybe you know, we were arguably ahead of the game in terms of our budget being our level funded budget being um prepared um early and then we put this um in time for the warrant article. I mean for the warrant closed. Um and we have since this committee has um uh

1:03:58 decided to you know, go with the select board in the town wide government services override. So I don’t I mean that’s the decision we made and we committed to that. So the logical step is to indefinitely postpone our own request. But

1:04:26 So So Kate, I understand where you’re coming from, but what would be it turns into a motion I believe too, right? So in town meeting if we go ahead with this we didn’t even postpone it. Indefinitely postpone motion. And then we have to make and so I just do we are we prepared tonight to discuss what that amount would be? It’s not a motion we would have to provide the amount. But I think on the town floor it becomes a motion at that point with » No, it is email. In other words, part of the 28 will be a motion to approve approve school department supplemental appropriation in the amount of cuz if we don’t make a recommendation then the article is asking for supplemental appropriation. So if we aren’t indefinitely postponing it that we’re recommending indefinite Sorry, we aren’t doing that. We’re recommending indefinite postponement then we would have Yes, we would be

1:05:13 asked to supply the number. Um to town. Yeah, I I guess I I mean, I guess we’re prepared to discuss that now, but I don’t I mean, I don’t think it’s something that we Could you guys vote tonight? Oh, sorry. » Well, I’m not intending to open a can of worms. I think we have a very reasonable budget, you know, number, and we’ve been had a very productive and you know, productive budget hearing process, so you’re you know, I have no reason to think that Article 23 is not going to be voted the way that it has been presented. Um and we are participating in, you know, a town-wide override

1:05:58 that where we are not requesting money for FY27. And so, you know, my concern is just making sure that we have the ability to respond if something we are not expecting. » So, then if that were if the if that were the case, and the committee Again, I don’t know how you do this on the at town meeting, voted to come forward with a number, um you’d have to be prepared to go to a ballot just to I mean, I mean, it would have to be, you know, it in my mind, it is a option to deal with a worst-case scenario. Yeah, I don’t want to do that to the town. That’s all. Could you could you put a number together tonight or a

1:06:45 motion together tonight that that says something about if the town if the school department’s budget in Article 23 comes in less than 47,620,285,

1:06:56 then Article 29 would be put forward for the difference. I mean, You mean you’re amending the article. So, the article’s already been submitted. As written. So, you’d have to amend it. I have no » you I thought you could put a number on an article at Yeah, but you’re putting a like a caveat on it. That if » That’s for the committee. Yeah, but Are we going to Are we going We don’t have that on our article. Do we want to make that Do we want to even put that out there as an idea that we will do by or not a follow up meeting? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, I’m not in support of this. I’m in support of indefinite. The number of just being whatever an hour or something like that. That would be whatever this committee decides. Right.

1:07:42 Right. Right. Based on the concern that you’re describing, it would be whatever amount it is. So, no. Yeah, I’m sort of not comfortable with this either way because I think in some ways it’s I mean, we’ve made it clear. But we’ve got a you know, part of our sleeve that we’re going to play after after our budget break to

1:08:11 So, I certainly don’t want it to be seen in that way. So, you know, if if that’s the concern, then we should indefinitely postpone it because it is not intended to be Yes. » a part of anyone’s sleeve. It’s I just was thinking of a you know, we took the time to put a placeholder on the warrant. Let’s, you know, make sure that it’s available. Yeah, I appreciate » it if we need it. talk in suspended animation and in in this invite That’s sort of why I say both ways means we’re Yeah, I agree. And we do and we should be looking at the numbers. But I’m not sure people would perceive it in a way that they didn’t think was kind

1:08:56 of part of the sleeve or or you know, is everybody else on the Is the town side Is going to do something like this? This dude, they probably should then also, right? Found the library and I wanted some more dollars and stuff and I get less than I was expecting. I should probably have a supplemental article around. They don’t have separate articles. Well, yeah, that’s maybe not the best example, but you know, any town could do that. So, I see I see both sides, too. They don’t have that. Okay. I think I’m going to ask you to look at that. Well, I This is where you can do help, Jen. I It was Henry made a motion and then it was withdrawn. And then it was withdrawn. So, I don’t know if we have to vote on

1:09:43 the withdrawal first. Or is there nothing on the table, Rick? Um I think if it’s seconded, I I get I guess you can withdraw. I don’t know. Um I think the withdrawal has to be seconded and start over again. Just let the withdrawal pass.

1:10:09 So, the motion on the table made by Henry, seconded by Melissa. The way it is to indefinitely postpone Article 28. Yes, motion to recommend to indefinitely postpone Article. Okay. Any further discussion? All those in favor? Against? Against? All right, the motion passes 4 to 1.

1:10:41 There was a uh you know, we have an annual uh memorandum of understanding with the recreation and parks department. Um I put the suggested annual contract in our shared drive. We don’t typically vote on it. We’ll We’ll pass a motion I but I didn’t want to just make the committee aware of that. We both the middle I mean well we we both the middle of year. Last year we just have a chair sign off on them. And the problem is we must now the the problem is And we can’t do it until you sign. Yeah, I mean the problem is that’s what the committee » Yeah, but you need to sign and that’s why I said that we need to vote a week and have that signed off. Um I just is someone going to reform motion saying what is to be made the uh

1:11:26 the dates notice the dates won’t be updated. » it. We updated it she put it I should put it in the updated thank you. It’s exactly the same except for the and I appreciate it. What happened was it went back and forth with us up until January and then that was all we were going to sign so this is the updated one. It was the page number two just just so folks know what changed. That’s page number two the first full paragraph Apple Woods. Apple Woods sign one says he thought there would be 2026 date of August 31st 2017 and the last year he said I got it updated everything else and Yeah, thanks for the mention. That’s what I should

1:12:05 I don’t know if this is the time to revise this but you know walking through the schools the there’s some issues with the way the grounds are maintained. I mean if you go in you know look at the grass at at any of our schools outside you you know it’s just the ground school that someone was talking about how bare the grass is. You know like there’s um and it does say you know and the spring clean up doesn’t you know there’s still a lot of leaves piled up from I don’t know whether that’s from fall or that’s built up over the winter but there’s a lot of things on here that you know are shown as

1:12:51 you know they that parks and Rec will do the fall and spring green cleanups. Um doesn’t say you know, they’ll cut grass, apply fertilizer, overseed, aerate. Um well, that’s actually not applicable for the grass areas. But, there’s a lot of areas where there could be some grass being So, So, I would say yes. So, just just by way of explanation before I fall down the rabbit hole is um right now with the spring cleanups stuff I just had a conversation again like spring cleanup and spring and then it’s um the the focus the focus initially is on lining fields, making sure all the fields ready to go for that. Now, we’ll now we’ll work on those uh clean up the loose mulch stuff. So, that’s in process right now. Um so, it can’t all happen at the same time which

1:13:37 is which you probably see it you’ll see it kind of um grow. And what’s what’s happened happens is I mean here is they kind of like, you know, when the grass starts really growing up they’ll just like, “Hey, the grass is long here.” And they come over and they complain. So, they try to keep up on it. Um but, this is, you know, especially when you have a field day coming up and there is outside and everyone’s kind of has the same, you know, um wants and needs at the same time. So, it’s really difficult to do all this at one at once. So, they they try to rotate it. I met with um with uh Rex and Park um when we were talking with several of you and they keep on sharing these concerns. And I’m like, “We need to make sure that when we volume and say, “Hey, this grass is a little long.” At least have them pick up the grass right away. It was a the right mentality means that they

1:14:23 don’t respond. Staff, parents, me and others all been it is not ideal by any means. Um And I think the meta message is they take they take care of our problems up and we don’t charge them for it. So, it is useless. That’s that’s the given day. Um And I think in Westford so we get a different conversation along that. Um The most I can do is just try to continue to let them know and let them have it absolutely. That’s it and then we can begin to speak our conversation about how the spring went. Um and I have had those conversations. This is just Uh actually we had it in that that um the gentleman met them and he just stopped being able to get a couple of my events there and he used to do a small part of

1:15:08 the celebrations and then we just wrapped it up and shared it on cuz it definitely was actually The thing we had last year was they they were allowed to use that invoice area where he’s really in the summer so versus coming into our school or whatever. So that’s how we’ll cross that bridge when we get to it and we’ll do anything towards that and people’s lawns and stuff so See here in the paper. Um Mike, did you have any comment on the leaves still Mhm. Yeah, I’m here. Do I have any comment? Well, just in terms of Well, I know you have some comments. I mean there’s still leaves from the fall that weren’t you know, that weren’t cleaned up but um you know, we just we’re going to give you the update if you haven’t yet. Let me just do a walk through of all the buildings um all of our facility well, all of our school buildings.

1:15:54 And you know, Mike took copious notes so I You know, Mike, do you feel like you’re sort of I don’t know if empowered is the word but you know, able to manage this maybe a little bit more closely this coming year or someone on your team will or what are your thoughts? Yeah, I think they did a really nice job cleaning up the leaves last year. I think this is you know, leaves from the neighborhood that get blown around in the in you know, after the cleanup is done and again in the spring, stuff that gets plowed around uh and and I absolutely agree with the superintendent that you know, there are priorities. I know Little League’s already up and going. Those are the priorities. These kids need to get on the fields uh for their games and and whatnot. Um and I know that the wreck and park is very um eager to assist us

1:16:39 with cleanup of the high school especially before graduation. Make sure everything’s planted and everything’s done and cleaned up. Um, so yeah, I mean and I agree that there’s there’s so much to do in the spring and they’re only one crew and they can’t do anything when snow’s on the ground to help us start get a jump start on this. So, you know, I think that we can manage this, you know, through communication better, absolutely. I don’t have an issue with that or I don’t I don’t foresee that being an issue. Uh, just it’s, you know, it’s it seems like the winter went on longer than it normally does. It just hasn’t even warmed up yet. I mean, I’m still shocked that it’s still so cold and we’re in the end of April. But, Um, the only question I had, um, in just maybe bringing this up tonight is one of the things that came up was the, um, continued issues around the irrigation at the

1:17:25 at the Brown School. » Yeah. And the agreement references, uh, irrigation for the fields, but I don’t see anything for irrigation at the non-field. Like, I think the only one we probably have is Brown School. And that has continued to be an issue. So, somebody, somehow, we need to manage. Yes, I think when we get when we finally get a facilities director back on board, that’s going to be one of the priorities. I think, you know, Mike’s doing a great job trying to manage some of those things. And And it is and it ends up being like, “Oh, that’s We thought it was you but it’s not us.” And then it didn’t we learn. So, it’s it’s kind of almost like we’ve walked in a few things where I’m like, “Well, why haven’t you done anything?” Well, it’s not us. That’s you. Well, is

1:18:13 it or is it not? So, the It’s my understanding it’s the fields, okay? That’s That’s the question. So, I need to ask that question again. I’m going to suggest that we just add on this exhibit A, and then take a move over to item six, manage irrigation on the Marblehead School District athletic fields and and properties. So, wherever we have an irrigation system, at least put it in there. They, you know, they may be negotiated, but Yeah, and I think in in that may be the case. Because that is my We’re told that that has been the case in the past that they have been responsible for it to manage it. I think that we’ve experienced » cost. Right? Like if you have to order something, like we take on the cost. Yeah, but it it isn’t working and it needs to be so somebody needs to

1:18:58 basically own it though. Like Yeah, I think we can type you know, you know, maybe work over this next 6 months for the next agreement to tighten up the language around it so around who’s responsible for mulch and the cost of mulch and the spreading of mulch and who’s responsible for irrigation if a head breaks. Um who’s responsible for replacing it, calling the company to replace it cuz I don’t From what I understand, neither the schools nor the town actually replace heads on the irrigation. They bring in a third-party company. But who pays for the parts and who pays for the labor? You know, I think it’s it’s something that we really need to clean up and tighten up a little bit because it is a a little bit ambiguous. Well, now’s the time to do it cuz this is a one-year memorandum of understanding. So Yeah, I just didn’t know if it’s something that we were up against the deadline. If we’re not up against the deadline, we can certainly,

1:19:45 you know, look at it more closely now. But if there’s a deadline, I think it’s something that we can, you know, work out over the next year. That’s I just I don’t have the agreement in front of me. Was it a 6-month agreement? No, it’s a one-year agreement. It says April 30th to August 31st. Well, it’s whatever that is. That’s the That’s the stations. Like that’s the you know the most important stuff time. So I guess what did it go to August? But Mike, I I think there was language in here that said if like changes were to be made, it had to be done by 16th. So we have to meet the meet the agreement as far as what that’s what happens and also what else it states is it has to be right. So we initially met and then we called and started having this conversation. So wait a minute. Actually that’s actually

1:20:31 close to your point too. It’s April 30th to August 31st. so what happens in on September 1st? I know this is for the use of everything. So, this is for a full year. Mhm, right. Um I mean, I could start I mean, we don’t have to we » 3D’s agreement doesn’t roll over. The 3D’s agreement ends today. Yeah. Right. But here’s So, here’s the thing with I mean, if the 3D’s not happy with with any of the near I mean, I can walk them back when you walk them through everything specific to what they got from financial needs. All of um get the most out of that thing. Again, it was it was more of a timing thing for me. I want to make sure I mean, handling all of these things so that we can get like a sense of what was on the agreements we’re not going in and like I felt certain that they have had some change on the rental Rex and Parks. I think it’s going to be

1:21:16 a positive thing for the conversations I’ve had, so um you know, concerns that have been brought to their so we can discuss that and we can reach a problem we can Mike and I can revisit that in a different way. Um and then you know, the the lease stuff that’s just matter of I don’t know what I’m saying. I don’t think they’re going to do the lease on I don’t think they’re going to have a conversation with them. There’s a lot of them going to be out so it’s really in the hot seat. Well, I’m going to make a motion that we approve the memorandum of understanding with the addition of the Brown School irrigation system. What is that again? What was that in terms of the bullet? That was exhibit A. Okay. Um bullet point six. I’m suggesting that just that first sentence says “Robert School District that it feels properties.”

1:22:04 Or just manage irrigation on Robert School District properties. There. All right. All right, the motion’s been made by Jen, seconded by Henry. Is there any further discussion? All right, all those in favor? All right, the motion passes 5 to 0. What I’ll do is I’ll follow the vaccines in there. I see valves and everything that goes by. Yeah, I thought we should look what needs to be done with them. Yeah, and I would love to re-address this in 9 months or whatever as well. Sort of coming up on this time again next year. Yeah, we have to see how it might technically be done. So. Yeah, and I think you know, we’re we’re in a tough spot a spot like the facilities department and you need to meet and so I think you know, some of

1:22:50 that’s not helpful either, but we’ll we’ll get there and hopefully Basically you say that kind of I don’t know Thanks for letting me come by. Yeah, yeah, it would be interesting to see what what this new facility director would recommend as well. Yeah, it just again right now it’s all white and I mean obviously so we’re probably going to have to ask them about that. So John, just let you know that the term was also changed and that the agreement had to be mutually signed uh as of today. Mhm. So just change that date. » Yeah. Please. Okay. Done. All right, I’ll show you that. All right, uh and then I believe our superintendent wanted to discuss a brief update on our fair share supplemental budget grant. Um yeah, um Yes.

1:23:35 Yes. Yes. Yes, uh he he just passed those down and he did a great visual with me we’ve been together. So um So this is this is also great um collaboration so special thanks to Senator Creighton and Representative Armini for the advocacy in securing a fair share supplemental budget funding for our schools. Um Uh I don’t want to take the credit cuz he really did most of the conversation and we really talked about um how we can get some extra money. So the reason you know, some of those capital things need to be adjusted if you look at the very first one where it says bus cameras $40,700 um we were able to get um the supplemental funding to cover that. We were able to get $15,720 uh to have support on re-arcs in the high school and $10,000 for our music program. So some of these

1:24:23 items um were were wants and needs, but some of them were who were safety concerns. So, the bus cameras were from Vega and that was the number one thing they had on their list. Um, you know, why didn’t we go through through you know, one, two, three. We didn’t know how much money they needed. They just said total this amount and tell us what you need. They said, “Let us know what you need and you know, it should be involved with student facing stuff.” So, um, the culinary arts and music program and in the music stuff that is one of those things where it’s typically they could be in need of new strings or a tuner or whatever. You know, um, it’s hard to budget for those things because they’ll they’re going to break the old and they’re expensive. And so, a lot of times it’s like we have a lot of waiting to do school year that’s to buy our stuff. So, this is really cool that we’re able to get this funding so we don’t have to necessarily worry about that. And we also got money for the next

1:25:08 school year. So, this is great. Um, so I just want to turn over I want to turn over to Julie because she actually had the conversation with Jenny and Yeah, I just feel so grateful for the collaboration with Representative Ramel um, who was a huge advocate for our school and just over the years we built a relationship where she knows that, you know, what we see her and we’re a phone call away and um, she reached out and we were so thrilled to be able to share um, you know, our needs that are above and beyond what we’re able to do for our students in this time. Um, it’s it’s about safety, it’s about enhancing um, areas that we’ve wanted to for a while. Um, and just truly grateful and um, when she delivered the good news, um, she said that Senator Craighead was her partner in this. So, we’re very grateful for that. Um, we’ve

1:25:56 let them both know that we were sharing our gratitude for their um, support and they appreciated that as well. Um, and this this is coming through the fair share supplemental budget where through the taxes through the state collected they had um, gone through the house through the senate and approved that with a specific focus on transportation and education. And then this Thank you, Julie. And the second part is um, there may still be like this supplemental supplemental and may still be some other money as well. So we we’ve actually if there’s more money is we’re looking at some of the things that we had the lower playground and also the capital improvements and all that that we’ve talked about for you know a couple of years now. Um so we’ll keep our fingers crossed on that and hopefully that will also follow in. We don’t know yet. Um I think we’re just waiting on you know the powers that be. So I may also you know share that.

1:26:41 share that. share that. I think we should consider sending a letter Yes to the North Brunswick Committee. Yeah it’s really interesting and maybe emotional and we’ll just I think I Yeah I think that would make sense to do that. You just said I don’t think I saw what you all said so you just Yeah I just wanted to let you know but yeah we can share that. I just sent it in a letter.

1:27:03 A public thank you to both. I was actually writing to my representative in the mail. And I just just over the summer Senator Sorry because I remember reading in the conversation that they would see if some conversations happen between you and your guys on Yeah some this is that um how much issues that we have. So I don’t know if I’m allowed to do that but we had we’ve been as I mentioned to the committee for I advocated against um the way of doing a lottery and so they don’t so the other smaller districts we are you know pretty good. They are more awarded adults um but it’s kind of come back around in the conversation that they proposed you know for the chapter 70 money. Um but I just wanted to share that those conversations have happened. The local districts that I want um

1:27:49 representative Marci Hatch and Charles Schuster. So I gave them actually a call. Hopefully things will work out. Being with the dialogue and they will be able to vote for it too. Thank you both for your work on this office because you are respected by God. It’s very insightful.

1:28:07 All right. Are there any sorry before we start the letter? At all. At all. Okay. Thank you all.

1:28:16 Um, are there any sub-committee and our liaison updates? Sure, I’ll start. Um, we uh, the comms sub-committee, we sent out our April newsletter, which there were some delays with our newsletter because of we were waiting for the news to be finalized, essentially, around the budget. And so, we did send that out. It’s been really well received. Um, I’m and and I’m proud of the way we did it, I think. Um, the I will share that over April break, um, sort of on the roof sub-committee, we did replace, I believe, four sections of the roof, including the roof that’s over our head right now. Um, so, that project is rolling along, um, and and we’re meeting next week as a as

1:29:02 a sub-committee on the roof. Uh, on facilities, we’ve finished our walk-throughs of all the schools, and uh, I think I really loved it. I thought there was I learned so much. I think there were a lot of things that we identified that have already been taken care of, and you know, things that have been on the list for some time that, you know, walking through Uh, and I really want to thank James and Gilberto for their for their work. I mean, they they have so much to do. I It’s amazing what they get done, and and there were a lot of things that Mike was able to identify that they’ve already they’ve already done most of the work on them, so we learned a lot. I think it You know, Jen, I I don’t know if you

1:29:49 have anything to add, but I will say that I think our schools are in really good shape. Uh, they they we you know, they there’s certainly been challenges, but um, I think we have a really good heart of the place. Yeah, so I think, um, we had Yeah, it was a lot of time we put in, hours and hours going through all the buildings, which I think is is very important. Um, and my takeaway was I was um pleasantly surprised that our buildings are all in very, very good shape. Now, they’re all you know, I mean this was yeah. We had some old buildings before. Um, the high school probably did the high school is our oldest building um at this point, uh which is amazing to me. Um, and there are definitely some issues in the high school that need to

1:30:36 be dealt with, but nothing that is you know Oh, yeah, but major. Um, you know, with the roofs being repaired or replaced as we as we speak. Um, and there are some um sort of routine repairs and maintenance not maintenance repairs that need to be done in this building, but I don’t think anything is going to rise to the level of uh I don’t think a capital need. Um what I will say is I also want to say um a huge thanks to to James and to Gildo. They are an amazing team. They were with us I mean they took their time. They they’re busy guys and they spent hours with us going through every building. I also want to thank all the custodians. I don’t I won’t go through every name. I’m going to send some emails out. But they we met in each building. Four out of five buildings the

1:31:22 principals with us. Unfortunately, Principal Carlson did not attend um when we went through the high school, but the other principals spent hours with us and the head custodians in those buildings. Those custodians know those buildings inside and out. They were um they had it you know, prioritized in terms of some you know, some of the things that needed to be addressed and they care about these buildings and it’s you know Again, the high school is a going to be a work in progress, but the other buildings are in amazing shape. Clean, sanitary, hygienic um and just yeah, should have minor to minor stuff. Um, yeah, high school I think there’s going to be some focus on that, but we’ve seen it, you know, even I think already. And a big shout out to Mike, too,

1:32:08 because Mike really, you know, he he’s this guy and he spent a lot of time with us over the last couple weeks, but I think I don’t want to speak for you, Mike, but I think you, you know, you you got some some takeaways as well and I’m just very very proud of our team, for sure. And and our students who for the most part seem to have respect for our building. I think, you know, few things we could work on in terms of students, but you know, I think, you know, without a doubt, the you know, the students have um and faculty and staff have have treated our buildings, you know, respectful. And I think and I and I might, you know, I was kind of I was um you know, it’s always strange to say, “Oh, we’re going to walk the building.” But like I I’m glad for it because it’s sometimes, you know, I I liken it to like if you have a small dog that you

1:32:54 walk home with, you walk by it every day and then all of a sudden it’s going to wake up and see it and that’s something just like that. All the eyeballs are just like, “Oh, my goodness, it’s always sad.” And I was like, “Why?” But Mike, yes, super duper busy right now to time out of state to do that. So I I appreciate it. We’ve already had conversations about a lot but we’ve both up against the high school. I mean, over the break we had custodians from the other schools come and they we tried to do everything here. I mean, you have to remember like to be hot is Scott. We’ve had some we’ve had some situations that really kind of been detrimental to our our team in the fact that he’ll be out of town and James and then all folks have stepped up. Paul and then we have some some folks on family medical leave. So we’re kind of short handed being being honest and I mean, part of the fact that it was

1:33:41 all that, so it could be shaped well. You know, you’re you’re always going to have things that are interesting. Just I just want to make mention of the fact that a lot of Mike and I have already talked about even before you guys started the walk through is how we really get on top of the preventative maintenance of things like unit vents and belts and and fans and all that stuff because a lot of we have to rebuild so when I hear like this isn’t working that’s not working like we got to get the maintenance stuff that we can get out there and do so. Those are things we’re addressing and we’ll continue to do this things and I think you will see that we must have always this fan not working that H backs on the fits already you know and I will just say this and then we’ll stop talking. What I noticed and it’s not just here or

1:34:28 marble head I I don’t I don’t want to you know I’m doing stuff. The newer H back systems are awesome in a lot of ways but the newer H back systems also come with a lot of issues like that and one of the buildings that was five years old and people working for a year I would say is it a operate is it a systems issue or is it a equipment issue. It’s like every child that can literally cruise a park cruise park cruise so like that award and then that but they’re all those issues that even with the brand new ones it’s not going to fully air it’s not going to run right. Like why sometimes diagnosis diagnosing it isn’t as simple as you think it should be. So five years old wasn’t working. I said we share it because I’ve worked in that line already in our system so I’m working the more complex they get more issues

1:35:15 that we need to address and but yeah power to her lots of good stuff out there. I’m glad you brought up that you’ve been working on improving things because you can tell when we went through James and Gilberto there there were like we fixed this we fixed it. They’re they’re definitely doing a ton of work and it shows and I think the impact on the students is huge. Right. I think Can I if I could just add Yep. Go ahead money. James James and Gilberto walked with us and they are doing a tremendous amount of work but there is there’s a team behind them also. All of our custodians and there are three other maintenance guys who are doing so much work. I think a lot of this was identifying stuff that had not been addressed over the last couple of

1:36:01 years and they have done amazing stuff. Addressing them. We lost two months this week. Mike, are you still there? No. It’s Crystal. Okay. I know we’ll be missing not actually like we’re swimming is as even though she’s mainly transportation stuff. I mean her her department very well say again and she’s picking up a lot of slack making sure scheduling of stuff is done and she’s still the go-to person for calling to pick up Oh, hey, there’s alarms on at 2:00 in the morning. She gets the phone call. So, it’ll be a missing action to have her department. It’s been very helpful. I think we’ll be sad. All right. All right. Um any other updates? Um I can just do a really quick data policy sub committee

1:36:47 meeting this morning meeting with Laura. And so I have news of a vision for the night. I’ll be bringing to the committee. I think we can make some progress. Okay. Sounds good.

1:37:00 All right. Uh we’ll move on to closing business. Any correspondence?

1:37:09 All right. Um looking for a motion and vote to meet in executive session for the following two reasons. Purpose three to discuss strategy with respect to and in preparation for collective bargaining with Marblehead Education Association. Uh occupational therapist, physical therapist, board certified behavior analyst, and occupational therapist assistants, physical therapist assistants, certified nurse assistants. Because an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining position of the school committee, the chair so declares without intent to return to open session. Also for executive session pursuant to chapter 30A section 21A3 purpose three to discuss strategy with respect to potential litigation. J Buckley is an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the litigating position of the

1:37:56 school committee and the chair so declares without intent to return to open session. So moved. Second. All right, motion has been made by Kate seconded by Henry. All in favor? For a roll call on sir is executive session again. In favor. Henry? In favor. Melissa? In favor. Kate? In favor. All in favor the motion passes five to zero. So we will enter into executive session pursuant to purpose three to discuss strategy with respect to the preparation for collective bargaining with Marblehead Education Association, occupational therapist, physical therapist, board certified behavior analyst, occupational therapist assistants, physical therapist assistants, certified nurse assistants because an

1:38:41 open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining position of the school committee and the chair so declares without intent to return to open session. Also pursuant to chapter 30A section 21A3 purpose three to discuss strategy with respect to potential litigation. J Buckley is an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the litigating position of the school committee and the chair so declares without intent to return into open session. All right, so we’ll convene in as what we usually do in this room.