Select Board: January 8, 2025

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0:03 PM and this meeting is being recorded.

0:08 Okay. So first on our agenda.

0:14 First on first on our agenda.

0:23 All the way down. Oh, all the way. Oh, all the way down.

0:28 I get it. I get it. I got it. Okay. I think we’re good. Okay. Um, is, we’re having gonna have public comment. Is there anybody in the audience for public comment?

0:41 Albert Jordan Roosevelt Avenue 64. Um, I see in the paper that you’re still pushing for the override. Um, I don’t, I don’t understand why we need an override. Um, you, you just, uh, negotiated with the school committee and they’re gonna be getting the, the beginning of the raise is, I would think, would be already funded. Um, it seems like it’s gonna be in the 2% range. So, so, I’m, I’m just really curious. At the end of the contract, I, I, I really can’t see how, um, we pay people to negotiate contracts that we don’t have the money for at the end of the contract. But in the beginning of it, um, if you think that the town’s gonna support an override, I don’t know what planet, um, we’re coming from

1:26 because there’s a lot of older people in town, um, that live alone, or two people in a house, um, that can’t afford it. And what’s gonna happen when they have to move? These houses are gonna be resold and updated, and you’re gonna collect more money in taxes after they’re updated, then families are gonna move in, and then it’s gonna cost us a lot more money to even stay here. So, um, I really think you should think serious. You’re, you’re doing an audit, um, to show people how little money you have. Um, and the other thing I just wanna suggest, uh, is, um, the President of the United States is, uh, forming a committee, which I recommended a long time ago, about having some Marblehead residents come on a committee ways to save money. Because the current way that it’s working

2:12 with the finance committee, they’re just rubber stamping these department heads. Uh, I’ve been to their meetings. They’re not interested in listening, li listening to the public or the taxpayers. Uh, so pe most people don’t bother to go. Um, I’ve gone to a few of ‘em recently and they’re surprised to see someone even in the audience. But, um, I, I think as the select board, maybe you should ask, there’s a lot of people in town that would volunteer to be on a committee. And, um, you know, we could look into some things, um, because we’re doing everything the same way, or a few people are making changes and it’s affecting the whole town. So, thank you. Thank you. Mr. Jordan. Is there anybody else?

2:54 Hi, Nick Ward, Rollon Road. Who wants to guess why I’m here? So you will have all seen the, uh, the Supreme Court ruled today. Um, in regards to the MBTA Communities Act, both upholding the constitutionality of the act, as well as affirming the ags, right to sue towns that are, that are non-compliant. Um, we’re likely to get emergency regulations to, to plug the gap, uh, created by the way, E-O-H-L-C approach the promulgation of their guidelines. We’re likely to get emergency regulations to plug that gap by the end of the week. But in effect, under the A PA, which is the, the Administrative Procedures Act, that that will govern those reg the, the way those guidelines have to be put out, uh, the governor and, and, uh, the Massachusetts State Government, they’re probably only gonna have about three months

3:41 because they need to, they need to provide an opportunity for people to share views, share data, so on and so forth about the guidelines. Now, I’m here today to ask that we actually, you might find this a little bit unexpected. I don’t want us to rush into compliance based on whatever regulations come out at the end of the week. And the reason why I don’t want us to rush and don’t want us to do that is because all of the state’s opponents to economic growth have now shot their shot. We now have 28 towns and more towns who have, who have attempted paper compliance, where we have seen all of the tricks, all of the attempts to circumvent these regulations. And I want an opportunity, and I wanna make sure that the state’s housing advocates have an opportunity to go through all of those plans so

4:26 that we can share with E-O-H-L-C. Hey, these are things that you need to clamp down on to make sure that we actually get buildable plans out of MBTA communities. In Marble Head’s case that was done through park, like parking minimums that are way too aggressive for parking that’s actually required in town. And also the siting of the, of the districts on Broughton Road. And also a substantial portion of the Pleasant State Street District being cited over the Beacon and Warwick cinema complexes, which is not developable, not buildable in any sort of foreseeable timeframe. So, I don’t want us to rush. I want to take all of that time and, and, you know, we’re talking like three to six months here, maybe a year at the outside for the final guidelines. So I don’t want us to rush into compliance, ‘cause I wanna make sure that I take the full opportunity

5:14 to get clear on all of the tricks that we use to try to attempt paper compliance and make sure that E-O-H-L-C in any revisions that they offer to guidelines that might come out subsequent to whatever emergency guidelines are issued at the end of the week. Tighten up on all of those, all of those attempts at paper compliance. The second thing that I wanted to speak about, just in terms of the general, sort of, more generally as it relates to the issue of housing, both here in Marblehead as well as statewide, is over the break. You know, I spoke to a couple parents, other residents here, um, all of whom raised the issue of affordability. I think the issue of affordability is perhaps the biggest con that has been laid out in the debate over this issue

5:59 of any of the various objections that we have heard. It’s absolutely true that the MBTA Communities Act is not primarily about affordability as defined by providing housing at below market rates to, you know, people of disadvantaged socioeconomic backgrounds, whatever, you know, phrase you want to use. But that the middle class deserves good housing too. Like people with good jobs who can afford market rate housing, they also deserve access to that housing. And typically, when we talk about affordability, right, that’s what people are referring to, right? They’re referring to situations where the housing is created in some, in some such way that it’s accessible to people at below market rate. But there is another way to think about

6:44 affordability, right? Which is just imagine you have a 10,000 square foot lot, and on that lot, lot sits a million dollar home, right? If you have regulations that allow that lot to be subdivided into two 5,000 square foot homes, uh, sorry, into two 5,000 square foot lots, and you put $500,000 homes on them, those homes are absolutely more affordable. Like, they’re more affordable in the absolute sense. And it’s not really for us, it’s not really for the government to decide whether people will want homes like that or whether there is demand for homes like that. That’s what the market is for. Part of the reason why I moved to this country, frankly, and certainly a reason why I became a naturalized citizen, is because of America’s particular brand of capitalism, right? Like, we don’t approach major products or, or,

7:32 or major goods and services in this country in any way, the way that we approach housing. Like, we don’t ask people to build affordable cars, right? Like, we don’t go to Ford and GM and say like, you have to build affordable cars. So I just wanted to kind of share that perspective because as I said, I really think the way people are using affordability and talking about it is a bit of a con saying we shouldn’t do this because it’s not below market rate. Like that’s not a reason not to do it to support the middle class. So, thanks. I’m not sure if there’s a timeline, but maybe I run

8:04 There. I can’t see them one online. Okay. All right. Um, we’ll proceed now to our town administrator update. Okay. Thank you. Um, thank you Nick, for doing the first part of my, my update.

8:22 Yeah. Um, so, uh, as, as I think everyone’s getting on the, the, uh, Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts issued the dis decision today in the so-called Milton case. Um, the two main components, as it was already mentioned. One, uh, the question as to whether the Attorney General’s office can, um, do enforcement actions for communities non-compliance. Um, and the answer is yes. So the attorney general does have the powers. Um, the second important item is that the way in which, um, the secretary of, uh, housing and livable communities implemented the guidelines was determined to be improper. So they have to do a do over as far as implementing, um,

9:09 or promulgating regulations that then can be enforced. Guidelines are not something that are enforceable, regulations are. So they have to go through the proper process of promulgating regulations. And I think I agree that the timeline, trying to figure out what the exact time the process is, but it sounds like it’s gonna be about three months process for those to go into place. Um, and then that’s when, um, enforcement would, would be allowed. So, so Marblehead went out of compliance on January 1st, and I would opine that we’re back into compliance for now for a few months. Um, but, um, you know, as I say, we need to move forward, um, at town meeting.

9:56 Uh, so, you know, I welcome the, the, the previous comments, but in the town meeting form of government, we only have one shot a year to put in place the zoning, um, the planning board is currently going through the process. So we, so we to do a zoning change at town meeting, it requires planning board action in a certain timeline prior to town meeting that they must follow and have public hearings. So, so the ball is already rolling forward. Uh, actions are being taken by the, the, uh, planning board and based on the reports I have, the, the plan that was, uh, produced last year, which I am and many others think was a, an excellent plan

10:42 for Marblehead, uh, is the plan that’s being, being put forth, but they, they’ll go through the, the normal zoning change process. Um, so what it means for Marblehead, uh, to me is that we need to move forward to, to try to get, uh, the zoning in place, um, and then we can adjust accordingly going forward to whatever, um, uh, regulation changes or anything that, you know, changes the parameters and will work, like every other committee will have to do is to, to, to maintain compliance. So I, I’m sure there’ll be more information coming as, uh, you know, this decision was just released today. Uh, next item I have for an update, um, congratulations to

11:30 once again, Alicia Benjamin, our Chief financial officer, the finance team, the department heads and, and their support staff, the, the, the administrative staff that supports the department heads, uh, putting together a budget where, uh, Marvel has received the GFOA budget award. Um, and it is no easy feat. Um, so congratulations to the whole team. And what’s, uh, what’s interesting on this is that, um, it, it’s been very helpful to implement the clear gov system, which is a budget cycle management software to help us through the, not just the budgeting process, but to, to create A-G-F-O-A compliant

12:16 budget report. It has, um, four, four major criteria that need to meet. And then they have, uh, like 14, um, uh, other requirements, sub requirements in that, that all have to be met, and they increase those requirements, uh, year after year. That makes it more challenging. So I, I, uh, shout out to all of the staff, our CFO and team of getting that award. Um, in the update, uh, I included two, um, TIP projects, transportation improvement plan projects that we’ve applied for. One is the Village Street Bridge Project. Um, we all know we need to replace the Village Street Bridge

13:04 that’s been known for years and years. Um, we submitted, uh, an application to the, to the NPO, the Metropolitan Planning Organization. Uh, that’s the entity, the regional entity that makes decisions on allocating federal and state transportation funds for large projects like this. Uh, when we submitted the application, we had to submit it as a strict, strictly as a bridge project with, um, with the, uh, cost estimates, like nine, uh, 9 million, 11 million, you know, large numbers like that have been kicking around as a bridge project. But as part of the application, we requested that it be designed more as a covid structure than a bridge.

13:51 Um, the requirement of the process of the MPO is that we had to start the process as a bridge. The, the transportation folks analyze it and then agree as to whether it could be a culvert project. So we had to carry the larger numbers until the state folks review and say, yes, this would be eligible for a more cost effective cul design. So the, the number that we’re working with right now is $2.98 million project. So, so it’s significantly lower than the numbers we’re moving around. Um, but again, it was part of the process that we had to follow. Um, the, the, uh,

14:37 the TIP program would cover 80% of the costs. Uh, MA dot would cover 20% of the cost. The municipality is responsible for the design costs, which we’ve allocated chapter 90 funds in order to accomplish that. So, um, an important, if This move forward with being awarded this morning in April, 2025, what would the timing be if actually doing the project? So we would get a response on our application 2025. Yeah, there’s a whole bunch of hoops that it would have to run through, so it’d be several years after that. Okay. That it would be an actual working project. Um, also, uh, our, our, uh, community develop planning staff, uh, working, it is,

15:25 the other TIP project is a bicycle parking grant that we’ve applied for. Um, it’s a $5,000 grant. We would have to match $1,250 for a total project, 6,250. And this is to add, um, uh, bicycle parking spots throughout the community. And this is part of the efforts. And as far as, um, encouraging more bicycle activity than car activity, uh, this goes hand in hand with the efforts on the rail trails and such a, again, it goes towards the effort of, of relieving traffic, of lowering our carbon footprint, um, and having healthier, I would say, uh, out there. So, um, creating bicycle parking spots if we, so

16:12 we’ll, we’ll add these bicycle parking spots. Should we get the grant? Um, the final, uh, uh, item on here is state of the town. Um, so I am looking at Wednesday, February 5th at 6:00 PM here at Abbott Hall, uh, in order to present, uh, this year’s state of the town presentation At six, At 6:00 PM Yes. And so it’s an off cycle from the regular select board. So we would have the state of the town, and when that was done, we all go home. That concludes my updates pending. Any questions? Any questions? Okay.

16:59 Thank you. That was a, that was a lot of updates. Um, okay. So I, next I’ll ask, um, our, one of our, our co-chair of the town charter committee to come forward, Amy Drinker, to give, uh, an update to the board and the public on the work that they’ve been doing and where they’re at. Hi, Amy. Good Evening. Good Evening. Good evening. Happy New Year. New Year. Yes. I have my glasses. That’s all you got up there.

17:32 Keeps my head from falling. Oh, good evening. I sent you an update, which I will just go over the highlights. One of the reasons I’m here tonight is because the charter committee is going to be continuing its review of charter language this spring. It means that the committee, which has come to a consensus on this, will not be prepared to deliver charter language to you before town meeting of May, 2025. So we will continue our analysis of language this spring hold public forums, keep you informed as to our progress.

18:19 But we’re looking at a timeline of presenting the draft charter to you in the spring of 2026, not 2025. However, we think it would be beneficial to the town, to the members of town meeting for us to give an update report at town meeting of May, 2025. But since you are the board that appointed us, we are requesting that you put in a request to the town moderator that we be permitted to give a short update to the members of town meeting at May, 2025. Great town meeting. So I spoke to Jack and he asked that I go through this formal request with you

19:05 as our board who appointed us, and I promised him that it would be a five minute presentation with pictures. Great. Anyway, so that’s why I’m here tonight. Um, there was an editorial in the Marblehead current on December 18th, this past month that described what the charter committee was doing in the process that we’re taking. And we believe strongly that public participation is important in terms of vetting the charter language. And those public forums will be scheduled once the charter committee starts reviewing the charter language, which it has yet to do. Right now, we’re still meeting with department heads

19:51 and committees, and I gave you an outline of who we’re meeting with and so on. And that process is important for us to gather data from the people who are actually involved in running committees and departments in town. But starting at the end of January, when we start talking about the draft language, we will post that draft charter, which is draft a first of several, I’m sure, on our webpage, so that the public has an opportunity to see it. And it will be the same document that we are reviewing. So there won’t be any confusion about why does your copy say this, but my copy says that it’ll be all the same thing. Um, The,

20:40 so we hope to start that on January 28th, that review. But it depends on the process that the volunteers on the committee are, um, going through to get that primary draft accomplished, which is based on discussions that the charter committee has had amongst itself. Sean Casey is our, um, primary drafter, and then Jim Sen and Victor Wild Review language with him. And then it will come to the committee for our initial review process to begin. Uh, and then last, I wanted to thank Amy Danforth, who resigned from our committee last month in a letter to your board. I wanted to thank her for, uh, her participation

21:26 and efforts for the charter. She had other obligations that meant that she couldn’t be making our meetings this spring and summer, but I wanted to thank her for her participation on our board. And that’s all I have to say. If there are any questions, I’m happy to answer them. Um, any questions from the board? I mean, thank you. I it’s not been a lot of work. Um, do you anticipate that the rest of the members of the committee will stay on for this extended period? Hope so. Fair enough. I’ll, I’ll miss them if they step down, but I, I think we take that as it is a significant commitment. We’re scheduled for two meetings a month this week. We’re having three this month we’re having three because we’ve missed a couple of meetings

22:13 because of the holidays. But I, no one has said they’re stepping down, so I would assume that the rest of us are here to serve. That’s great. Yeah. No, thank you. And, and this is something that we want to get right, and we want to make sure that the public’s educated has exposure to, so as much as I, I think this board would like to see it this year, but I think it makes sense, you know, given everything that, you know, we, we take that extra year. So, you know, and again, it’s a lot of work, you know, for you and your committee. We see the meetings on unscheduled. So, uh, so thank you, uh, for doing that. And, uh, I, I, I think it’s worth taking the time to do it, right. Yeah, we, we agree.

22:57 So tomorrow night, your inter the committee is speaking with the finance director, the assistant assess assessor, the town planner, the police chief harbor master, human resources director, cemetery, superintendent, park superintendent, and rec director. Um, that’ll be, hopefully that’s an ambitious, busy night. Ambitious night. But to get information, um, and their, on their operations and, and their perspective on how things are running, what could be structured better if, if they have any of that, um, feedback. Yeah, it’s, it’s, we feel it’s important to have some face time with all these department heads and committees. And certainly we preface our, our discussions with them that if we have further questions, we’ll ask them

23:44 to come back and see us. But we didn’t think it was fair for us to be considering roles in the town government system without speaking to those components of it. And at this point, the charter is really focused on trying to document how government works. We’re not looking to disrupt how marblehead functions. Um, but along the way, we will have discussions about whether we think that certain things could be more efficient if we propose some changes. But we certainly understand sensitivities that people would have if we are considering changes to things that have evolved over 375 years without a charter.

24:29 Mm-hmm. So we’re very mindful of establishing this initial document. Okay. Great. Thank you so much. Um, so I’ll ask for a motion to authorize myself as chair to, uh, request of our town moderator space and time at the town meeting, um, for the purpose of the, allowing the charter committee to provide an update to the town. Second. Okay. All in favor. Great. Thank you. Thank you. I’ll make sure to do that. Okay. Goodnight. Goodnight. Evening. Okay. We’re on to our, the fifth item on our agenda, which is, um, to seat some new members on the

25:19 reorganized capital planning committee. So we have, um, we have signed Just give sign. Oh, sorry. I did, I, oh, sorry. Right. Sign request. Um, so yes, we have a request from, uh, dwell, and I’d like to invite the applicants to the table.

25:46 Hi, I’m Elizabeth. I’m Lindsay. Great. This is just down the street, right? Yes, yes. Yeah. Okay. Um, so we’re here on behalf of 2 31 Washington Street, which is a mixed use building. Um, the first floor is a commercial space, and our tenant, which is Daniel m Jewelry, would like to have permission for a blade sign, um, on the building. I’m not sure if you have the pictures. Yep, we have, we have the picture here. So it’s Pretty small and it measures 24 wide by 14 tall. Okay. Does anybody have any questions for the applicant on the sign? How high off the ground is that? Um, we didn’t measure the height, but it’s at the top of the, the brackets At the top Of the, exactly the window or the door.

26:32 Gotcha. Um, so, So people can walk under it, I guess, what does the sign say more what I’m asking? The Jeweler. Jeweler. Oh, okay.

26:41 Oh, walk under it, you said? Yeah. It, it doesn’t look like it goes out far. Yeah. I think it’s by that walk into the, yeah. To the step anyway. No, I see that now, now that I have my glasses on. Yeah, you probably trip into the step for Perfect.

26:56 Alright, let, are we ready for a vote? Mm-hmm. Okay. Um, so can I have a motion to approve the application for an overhanging sign as presented at 2 31 Washington Street, subject to the sign permit from the building department, receipt of all fees and the required certificate of insurance, naming the town as additionally insured for a sign overhanging the public way. So moved a second. Second. All in favor. Great. Good luck. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. Now onto the Capital Planning Committee interviews. Um, we have four candidates, William Anderson, David Harris, Mike Manchi, and Burt Petal. Uh, so, um, I will just call the applicant’s forward in alphabetical order.

27:42 And, uh, as we interview, if you haven’t interviewed, we’ll ask you to step outside during the questions. Um, once you have interviewed, you’re welcome to take a seat in the audience. So, um, okay. So I’d like to call up, um, William Anderson, or is he online? Maybe

28:10 William Anderson.

28:14 Is He online? I don’t see. Oh, at least not by that name. Did you get a withdrawal? I think he responded a few weeks ago, but Nice.

28:26 Give him a chance at the end. Yes, I Did he re Respond that Recently that he was, or was this a while? I’m looking. I, I checked with everyone I printed out before the holidays when the date was, I come back in let seven 30 though. It’s not like it’s the first thing on the agenda. Yeah. How get, do you want to move on? Just going to number two, don’t we move on. So just move on with the interviews. If he shows up, put ‘em on the end. Push the back. I’m on the phone. And you the, so love To reach out right Now. Yeah. So, uh, let’s proceed. We’ll have, um, Dave Harris, um, if you could come up

29:13 to the table and then if I can ask Mike Manchi, is Mike here? Hi, Mike and Bert. Is Bert here? Yep. Oh, hey. Hey, Bert. Um, if you guys could just step out in the hall while we interview, that would be great. They might still hear me knowing how I can be top secret question.

29:37 Um, okay. So, um, we have obviously received your letter of interest and your resume, David, but just wanted to give you a chance in person to, um, tell us why you’d like to serve on the Capital Planning Committee. Sure. Well, good evening, happy New Year. It’s great to be here again. Um, after a few years of, of being off, um, so my journey started back in around 2002 when I sat before the board and asked to be appointed to the finance committee. And, um, from that period of time, I served 14 years on the finance committee, four years of which I was the chair. Um, after that period of time, a couple years off

30:26 to do some recreational pursuits with my, with my son and do some youth sports, there was an opening on the school committee, uh, and I sat before the board again for an appointment for an open seat, uh, with the sitting, uh, members of the school committee. And I was appointed to fill that vacancy up until the, the next election that spring. And then I, um, sought to be elected for, for two terms and on the school committee following that. So, um, collectively I’ve spent about 20 years, uh, volunteering and running for elected positions, if you will, uh, in the town. And I take a lot of, uh, pride and in the accomplishments that, um,

31:13 the committees have achieved that I’ve been a part of, um, whether it’s been the school committee, whether it was the finance committee, and I think more importantly, something that this, this, you know, bringing this, this capital planning committee back together and re reconvening it, if you will, is is part of what I think has always been successful in Marblehead is that there’s always representatives from, from different groups participating to arrive at consensus. And that’s when, where we’ve always been able to be, you know, successful at what we are trying to accomplish. And I think the, uh, last step would be, if you look at the Brown School, trying to bring a community together where you’re looking to consolidate three schools, look for the passage of a,

32:00 of a $55 million override. Um, took a town, it was, it was a school project, but in the end it was, it was a true town project. And, um, I think we’re seeing the, the benefits of that now. And certainly, um, when you talk about capital planning, people might think it is just about the buildings, but we have our municipal facilities. The schools have finished up there, capital plan, if you will, and gone through the renovation starting with the high school to the, to the last project. But, um, we have our, we have our parks, we have our beaches, we have our roadways, the causeway, we have our infrastructure, we have, uh, fire trucks, we have equipment that we need to finance and support.

32:48 And I was, uh, it was always interesting to be part of that during the finance committee, but, um, a lot of times there was not a lot of capital to be allocated. So it was limited in, in what we could do. But again, we would sit around the table and decide who, who, who needed the equipment the most and, and come up with a 10 year plan to look forward. And that’s a cooperative effort, again, with, with the finance committee and other people. So I want to try and see if I can, um, help with the reconvening of this and the various representatives that will be on the, on the committee. And, um, it’ll be an important part of, you know, the next, um, 15 to 20 years for sure. Thank you. That, um,

33:33 that’s a really thorough answer we have. Um, do you have some questions from other members of the board? Um, Dan, why don’t we just go this way? I mean, I, I mean, if you’ve, if he’s already answered the Question, I guess I’m, I, I think you, anything I’m gonna ask you, you’ve answered or is in here. So I guess, I mean, would you approach anything differently? You have a lot of experience in town, so would you take any kind of different approach than you have in the past and, and looking at some of these capital projects would be my, my only question. I mean, the answer might be no, but I I, no, with all your experience, I guess sometimes I learned from, You know, I, I think with, with, with a capital plan in my experience in my day job is you can come up with a five or, and a 10 year plan and, and two years later, that plan might have

34:20 to change depending on the priorities. So I think that’s one thing that regardless of what we would be able to bring forward, look at this year, for example, or other things that that might come up, you’re going to have to shift your priorities. Um, there’s some things that have changed over, over at the high school where it was a roof. Now they might need some HVAC infrastructure. Um, so you’re gonna have to look at those priorities and, and be flexible and fluid. And so I think that capital plan needs to be flexible like that. So I think sometimes you get a little bit rigid and, and don’t look down the road far enough. But I think with these capital plans, it can help provide, um, some structure, but then to still be flexible.

35:09 Um, as far as doing things differently, I, I don’t think it’s different, but I wanna, I would like to continue the success that this town has had previously where, um, town boards work collectively to bring these kinds of requests to town meeting again. Awesome. And make us successful. Thank you. Okay. Great. Does anybody else have a question that,

35:38 Yeah, no, I mean, you, you’ve pretty much answered a lot of things I, I think we wanted to ask, which was great. So thank you. And I think saved us the time for now. Could be A perfect save a little time. No, I think the approaching the how to approach the projects, and I also think, um, one of the things you highlighted, which is the need for, especially now more than ever, that when we’re pulling these projects, not only do we identify them, but having the expertise to say what and who are all the departments that need to be identified to bring it forward. You know, meaning electric light needs to be connected with the building that need, you know, that everybody right, is coming together. So we’re not on the back end saying, oh, we should have invested in this or that. And I think this is really important for anyone who’s sitting on this committee to understand it’s just like you said,

36:23 it’s not just these are the municipal buildings or these are the other properties that we need to address, but how do we address them and the way that then we can bring it to town meeting and some of the things that we’ve talked about financially with our finance directors, these opportunities for having prioritization funds or those types of things that came about after 2017 that we can now earmark some of these projects. But you as a committee would be really important with bringing that to town meeting to say, Hey, these are the things we’re gonna need in the next five years. Now how do we get in front of getting that funding where maybe we won’t have to borrow, but we could start setting aside funding and save the town money holistically. But that takes a ton of planning on your end, so. Sure. Yeah. So I appreciate your expertise on that. And I, and I think that’s part of the success that I,

37:10 you know, I know some of the members that were on the committee previously, and it was really having been on a, the school committee as an example, you you have your wishlist of all the things that you want, and then ultimately you need to get down to essential items, right? And I think that committee offered some of that perspective as well. You know, what are the essential items that that need to be, um, taken care of and they provide that look. And, and another thing that I have always heard and and learned from previous finance directors and town administrators, you know, our, our debt as a percent of our tax levy, Marvel has done a good job keeping that somewhere. I’m sure the Brown School put it up a little bit, but at an average of 10%, that’s allowed us to stay

37:57 with a really solid bond rating. But the thing about the capital projects is yes, eventually that spending will expire. So the Causeway, for instance, when we, when we redid the causeway, then that frees up capital for the town to think strategically and the elected representatives to think strategically about what’s, what’s needed next. And so, um, you know, that that’s a critical, critical piece of this too. It’s not like there’s some grand plan out there where, where you need to do that. I think those are some things that Dan, I think need to stay consistent to help the town’s, um, bond rating, but also keep our tax levy and our tax base where it is and look at how other projects like the Veteran school and other projects will be expiring

38:43 and the purchasing of fire trucks and how that might free up, um, some, some money for, for future projects. Yeah, no, to be able to do the infrastructure right, but then have a strategy in place to maintain and, you know, roll into the Nest project, I think is really a key part of us. Yep. That’s all. No, well, thank you come for coming out of your short retirement. Thank you very much. Nice to, I appreciate it. And I, I would welcome the opportunity to serve and however much time and commitment I’ve, you know, I’ve just heard Amy and talk about they’re going to be extending another year, but however that that comes about and, and how it, how the committee comes together, I’m, I’m certainly available. Um, and the technology we have makes people sometimes more

39:31 available than we used to be in the past. But, uh, look forward to that, uh, commitment. Great. Thanks David. Thanks. Okay. Thank You very much. I went to get my, I stay. Yes. You can just stay. Thank you. So William Anderson didn’t get the email. You’ve been in touch. He’s on his way here. Okay. So we can add him At the end. At end. Okay. Great. Thanks to reaching out. Hi, Mike. Hi.

40:06 Have a seat. Um, will You just pull the mic closer to you? Just ‘cause sometimes it’s not really for us, but for the video, sometimes it doesn’t get picked up. Thank you. Thanks. Bye bye. Well, thank you for stepping forward for the role. Uh, we have your, uh, resume at hand, but I just wanted to give you the opportunity to tell us in person about your interest in the Capital Planning Committee, and then my other board members, um, may have some questions for you. Okay. I’ve been in Marblehead about six years. I got a little one in third grade. Um, this is probably the last house I’ve lived in here in Marblehead. So I wanna do whatever I can to chip in and, uh, keep the town’s finances as stable as we can.

40:51 We got a lot of challenges coming up from what I understand. And, uh, I wanna do what I can Great. For the town. Thank you. Um, all right, Dan, do you have any questions? Good evening. Um, compressor resume. I’m looking through it. I wonder if you could expand on any of your experience that you’ve had with capital planning and budgeting in the past. Yeah, so I’ve, uh, got a mortgage company I’ve had for a while and, um, all day I’m budgeting out for the following year. I also manage, uh, real estate, so I gotta plan that out as well. And constantly, you know, with the monthly and the big expenses coming up as the capital plan requires. Great. Um, so

41:37 how would you go about prioritizing the capital projects that might be coming before you, just with your, I don’t know, um, how much time you’ve had to just take a look at, you know, some of the concerns that are around Tom, but how would you go about prioritizing for the municipal side of things? Sure. From what I understand, I could be mistaken. Um, the, the school roof is gonna just blow us apart. Um, you know, we’ve already raised taxes on everyone, and we need, uh, we need more for the teacher contract, um, and the, and the roof on top of that. So I would prioritize only the 9 1 1 stuff on the capital plan for the following year. Just do what we can and, and put enough money aside.

42:22 So these things don’t, uh, hurt us that much. Um, I looked at some of the items on there, um, you know, rehabbing the rail trail for a million dollars, um, you know, maintain the rail trail. But I, I think that’s something, for example, that could wait. Okay. And if you were selected, how would you prepare yourself for serving on this committee? I’d review everything that I could get my hands on again, and, and become more familiar with the whole process. Um, ‘cause you know, I haven’t worked in government and there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of language and procedure. Everybody thinks they know, you know, this is what I would do. Well, when you find out, and I, I hear from you all the, the procedures, you know,

43:10 when you’re dealing with the state, it’s not as it seems always and, uh, become more familiar with that process.

43:19 Okay. Um, thank you so much. I think that thank you For volunteering And you’re welcome to stay. All right. And, um, and we’ll have two more interviews and deliberate. Thank You. Thanks. Thanks.

43:41 Hi, T. Okay.

43:44 Thank you so much for, uh, your interest in serving the town in this way. And we have, uh, your professional profile here and your certifications. Um, you’re a general en engineer, um, yes. And I just wanted to give you the opportunity to tell the board in person about your interest in this committee. Yeah, I am, uh, I’m a civil engineer and, um, I’ve been professionally, uh, involved in capital projects, you know, very large capital projects. I’ve been with the, uh, federal government for over 25 years. And so I look forward to, um, using my experience and my, uh, my, uh, technical background to, uh, assist,

44:29 uh, with this committee and accomplishing their objectives and really, uh, kind of giving back to the, um, community. That’s great. Thank you. And, um, the fellow board members will have, um, a few questions. Sure. Thanks For coming in. Yeah. I’m Dan, by the way. Um, do You have any other experience with being on boards in the past? No, this, um, this would be my first experience with a board. Okay. Yeah. Great. Um, so I just outta curiosity, this actually wasn’t my question. I made a little follow up. Um, just outta curiosity, what, what made you kind of step forward? Like, what was, what was the thing that interested you? Um, I, uh, uh, and someone else I know is on a board and, uh, they’ve, um, commented how it’s been a very,

45:16 uh, positive experience. And so I kind of, uh, took that to heart and thought that, um, I, uh, should, uh, participate more and, um, contribute to the community. And I think being part of this, uh, board, um, would serve that purpose. Awesome. Thanks. Um, my follow up on that is just in regards to the committee, how would you go about prioritizing projects? Um, you know, the things that come before, uh, you know, in on the municipal side, obviously, you know, juggling a bunch of different things, but what are your thoughts on prioritizing the projects that come before you? Yeah, I think, um, uh, I’ve, uh, seen where kind of like risk-based decision making, I think helps in prioritizing projects.

46:03 So I think it’s really understanding, uh, what the pri you know, kinda understanding what those priorities, priorities are and, and using some risk-based you decision making to, um, to evaluate that and rack and stack. Um, so. Awesome. Thanks. And if you were selected, what steps would you take to prepare yourself for serving on this committee? I think, um, uh, being more informed about, uh, what the purpose and objective of the committee is and, and how of we are to, uh, uh, ultimately provide a deliverable to the board. Um, I, that’s how I would be, uh, more prepared.

46:49 Okay. Awesome. That, I Think that, um, concludes our questions. And you’re welcome to have a seat in the audience. And we have Thanks for One more. He’s here. One more, and then we will, um, have to deliberate and make our decision. Thanks for volunteering.

47:11 Is anyone

47:28 Welcome, have a seat. Thank you. Uh, sorry I’m a little casual. I didn’t know. I, it’s quite all right. Thanks. No, you’re fine. Thanks for your flexibility. Yeah, no Problem. Yeah, thanks for, um, being able to spontaneously Thank you. Attend, um, you go by William or Bill, Either. Okay. So, uh, I, we have seen your resume and your letter of interest. Yes. But I just wanted to give you an opportunity to tell us in person about your interest in the Capital Planning Committee, and then, um, my board members, uh, will have a few questions. Very good. Yeah. Well, um,

48:14 I’m Marble Header, been here a long time, um, and, uh, this came up and I, uh, have been involved in a lot of, uh, uh, real estate, um, um, building and ventures along the way. And, um, I’m sort of throwing my hat in the ring. I’ve got extensive, um, experience in doing projects over the years. Um, a lot of ‘em, uh, which involved a lot of money. So, um, okay. That’s my,

48:59 um, interest in this. And, and if there’s anything I can do to help oversee some of the projects that, uh, Marblehead is taking over at, at this time, um, I’d be happy to do so. Great. Thank you so much. I’ll turn over to Dan. Thank you. Good evening. So you mentioned that you’ve, you’ve overseen some large projects. Um, can you give us some, maybe it’s all in real estate for the most part. Is that Yes. Okay. Um, can you gimme some examples of sort of capital planning and budgeting? They, are, they, what type of real estate projects, I guess Would be? Well, a lot, lot of condominiums over the years. Okay. Um, uh, a number of big projects in Boston

49:44 and in various places, uh, around the country. Um, there’s a lot of bertucci’s, uh, some, um, um, other, uh, change across Okay. America, so to speak. And, um,

50:09 Sure. That answer. Is this your first, uh, foray into the public side on the public board? Pardon? Have you had any experience in, in being on boards in the past? On boards, yeah.

50:23 Well, what do you mean on, I guess on a volunteer board or On a, on a public board or commission? Well, I started off, uh, doing a lot of non, some non-profit work. Okay. Uh, in historic rehab for one thing. And, um, I worked for an outfit, uh, out of Boston at, um,

50:44 was based out the old city hall in, in Boston proper. Um, person I worked with was, uh, um, entered into a 99 year lease for the old, uh, uh, uh, what was it? The, um, uh, city of Boston, uh, building, I don’t know whether you’re familiar with it. School Street? Pardon? School Street. School Street, yes. And, uh, uh, it, uh, the, the, the new been there,

51:25 the, uh, the Boston City government moved to their new mm-hmm. Uh, place where they are now. And, uh, old City Hall was vacant and, and for three, four years. And they came to the conclusion that maybe they wanted to just demolish it and move on or something. And, uh, the person I worked with, uh, a gentleman named Roger Webb, who is, uh, interested in preserving older, old buildings, um,

52:01 sort of jumped into the fray and, uh, made a, a proposal to do a 99 year lease on that building and basically saved it. It’s a beautiful building. And, uh, what was the restaurant there? It was, it, uh, I can’t remember what it was, state, the state on the ground floor, but, uh, yeah, anyway, worked with him for a long time and did a lot of, uh, other non-profit, uh, historic preservation work. And then, um, uh, it got to the point where I sort of moved on to, um, more, uh, traditional, regular, um, for-profit mm-hmm. Type of, um, projects.

52:48 Uh, and, uh, I’ve been in the real estate development business for, I don’t know, four or five decades now, going on. Thank you. Go ahead. Okay. So my question is just, um, how would you go about prioritizing projects? So, uh, you know, in regards to, for the municipal needs of marblehead, from your experience, you know, when we’re looking at Capital A planning committee, you know, thinking about the municipal building needs and all of the other needs for inventory and things of that nature, how would you prioritize what might start at the top of the list versus down the list?

53:36 I’m not sure quite sure how to answer that question. I’m, I don’t know what the list of projects looks like. Um, as far as prioritizing us, I, I would, I would sort of, um, look to the existing, um, group to prioritize things and, uh, feel that my input could then be how do we do that in an expeditious way and an economical way. Um, yeah. Perfect. Thanks. Yeah. Uh, other, other, I, I would sort of look for, I don’t know,

54:21 you guys to prioritize the list and then, um, give whatever, um, valuable input I could into doing that, um, as I say, in an expeditious and an economical way. Awesome. Great. Thank you. And I was wondering, good evening. And I was wondering if you might be able to, um, talk about how you might, if you were selected, how you might prepare yourself to serve on this committee?

54:52 I’m prepared. I looked at your background. I, I, I don’t disagree, but I just, you know, I’m just trying to be consistent with the questions I ask you. I’m not sure, um, how much more I would prepare other than what I have done date over a number of decades. A number. Okay. Thank you. Um, I just wanted to clarify. So, uh, it says, um, that you were, um, vice president metric construction development, and you mentioned coordinating business and real estate development. Were you the project manager on those projects? Yes. And was that the role that you played? Okay. Yes. Um, uh, project manager in, in terms of, uh,

55:39 just the overall development, um, Construction, Uh, planning. And then we would, we would, at metric construction, we were often, um, the owner of the project and then there was the construction and we were also the general contractor. Okay. So, um, it’s, it’s sort of a two part, um, interest in a project. Not only did we were in it to make money, make a profit, uh, and, um, we were also the general contractor. We had the ability to do that. Thanks for clarifying that. Um, well that’s, I think that that concludes our questions.

56:26 So if you’re welcome to take a seat in the audience. Um, and now we have to, um, deliberate, there’s four really great candidates for three positions tonight. And, um, so we’ll have to proceed with, with that. I think we’ll take them one seat. Well, I guess we can put them on to consideration and take ‘em one seat at a time. Yeah. I don’t know what the best way one, I’m just do seat one whether you each get three votes, right? Basically. So one option is you each take turn to give three votes, or you do one vote each round. The idea would be, yeah. The, whoever accumulates top three outta the four

57:11 We take, take it one seat at a time. You Wanna do it that way? Way, Yeah. Um, Sanon, you’re welcome to sit down. Thank you. Audience, just thank you. Thank you, sir. Take you outta the hot seat. Thank you. Okay. So I’ll need a motion to place all the names into nomination to serve on the capital planning committee with a term to expire in June, 2026. So moved. So moved second. Um, all in favor. Okay. So for, let’s see, seat one. Yep. Um, would anybody like to, um, make a motion or, um, um, nominate Nominate? Sure. I would like to nominate David Harris.

57:53 I’ll second, um, nominate Devin Harris. Okay. And, um,

58:01 Is it a motion or a vote? Yeah, I was gonna say, yeah. Okay. So I think those a vote or do you wanna do it? Those are, I think these are votes, so, okay. Yeah. So David, we’ll Go round. First seat. David. Yeah. First seat. Who’s your top vote? Um, yeah, If they gets a majority Sticking with it. Yeah. Brett, uh, David Harris. Yeah. And I will, um, also vote, um, my vote is also for David Harris. Um, okay. And for seat two, um, Do you wanna call people or do you want us just to Yeah, I would say each, yeah, Each start off who, who You Yeah. Give a vote to when remaining candidates Would. I would, I would vote for the second seat. Uh, Bert, I’m sorry, I’m horrible. Petal. Is that, that’s good. Awesome. Thanks.

58:47 Appreciate the sport, Bert. Okay. That’s two for Bert. Um, Uh, Bert as well for me. Okay. And I will also, um,

59:01 vote for, um, Bert with his engineering background and general engineering experience, I think will be really valuable. So that’s, um, five votes for Bert for seat two. We have seat three. Um, would anybody like to start, make a vote or tell us your vote? I’m happy to start, but I just wanna say right before I do just some Sure. Go Ahead. Matter Of discussion. Just that, you know, uh, this is a critical committee that will be utilized with working with our professional staff. And so, you know, as I’m looking at the characteristics and the, um, qualifications, just trying to see who is best suited to fulfill that role of working with, um, the staff to bring forward our capital needs

59:48 and looking at all of the infrastructure. So just wanted to one, thank everyone who stepped forward. And also, uh, just to say, uh, you know, that piece was really looking at what the position is specifically and who best could fit that role with the, the needs of what we’re looking for. Um, I’m gonna put forward, um, William Anderson.

1:00:10 Okay. I’m happy to, I think I, when I look at this board, I’m looking at the composition and sort of rounding it out. Um, so for that, I would, I’m voting for Mike. You’re gonna have to help me. Manchi. Manchi. Thank you. Manchi.

1:00:29 Okay. Yeah, I mean, this is, this is, you know, as, um, as Ms. Singer said, it’s a critical position and, and unfortunately, you know, Marblehead is different than a lot of other communities and organizations where deferred maintenance and, uh, capital planning sometimes take a backseat to other needs. So, um, I agree this is a critical position and I think, uh, Mr. Anderson’s background, um, is, is would fit that role for me, and that’s why my vote’s gonna be for, for Mr. Anderson. It was tough. Well, we don’t have a tie breaker here tonight, so I’ll cast my vote, um, with Mr. Anderson as well to avoid a tie. And also I do feel that both of you would bring,

1:01:18 um, uh, wealth of information and, and to the, to the committee. And, um, I do think just your project management experience as and in construction as a general contractor would be, um, useful. But I really thank you, Mike, for stepping forward and, um, yeah. And please keep, um, we’ll, we’ll keep your name on file, um, if ‘cause vacancies, you know, come up all the time. So thank you very much. I really appreciate you stepping forward to volunteer. We’re all like things, the needs and things are always changing and we can’t do this without people coming forward. So thank you. Really s appreciate it.

1:02:00 Okay. So, um, you three will have to be sworn in at some time at, um, the town clerk’s office and just, uh, during regular business hours, um, just go see the clerk and she can swear you in to serve on the committee and I’ll send them something in the mail. Okay, great. And Kyle Wiley will follow up with everybody with more details. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for everyone coming on this cold night. Congratulations. Welcome. Okay. Alyssa hard decisions. Um, okay. So now we have a licensing request from the Eastern Yacht Club, uh, for a change of officers and directors. Good evening. Um,

1:02:47 and I, I’ll ask Jared Horney, who’s the EYC rep to come forward? Hi, Jared. Good evening. How are you? Doing great. Good. So you are, um, I’m the general manager. You’re the general manager. So you’re, um, you’ve presented an application, um, to change officers and directors. Yeah, it’s, it’s our routine, yes. Uh, or biannual. So yeah, I, So, um, anybody have any questions for Mr. Toney standard? Um, I’ll need a motion to approve the application from Eastern Yacht Club as presented to change officers and directors, subject to receipt of the required forms, fees, and approval from the Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission.

1:03:33 Uh, and we will do a roll call. Vote for this one. You have the motion right, Mr. Fox? Oh, sorry. We need to, sorry. Motion. The motion. And second, second. Second. Sorry. Mr. Fox in favor? Ms. Sing in favor. Mr. Mar? In favor, Ms. Nunan In favor. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for so much hanging on. Thank you. Thanks For waiting. Enjoy your night. Okay, thanks. Hope you enjoyed. Thank you. I did. Okay. Um, next I’ll ask, um, uh, Kim grad, uh, the Abbott Library Director to come forward to the table. And, um, yes. Molly, Molly Bushman. Yes. Yes. Thank you, Molly and Kim. Um, and you want, you’re requesting, uh, we open, um, an additional or establish another account? Yes. So just, um, let us, you know, you could Sure.

1:04:20 I can give you a little bit of background. Um, the Oliver p Killam Foundation has generously offered this fund, um, for the purpose of establishing fine arts programming for children and teens and So I believe it is to be used, um, you know, for, for many different purposes, having to do with fine arts. So bring a teaching artist, create art that can be displayed in the library, create programs. It’s a wonderful opportunity to, um, continue the development of the library. That’s great. That’s Really generous. So that’s Great. It’s extremely wonderful to have this opportunity and for the, um, foundation to be the, um,

1:05:07 you know, caretaker of the funds and offering them to us. So, Okay. Um, okay. I’ll need a, a motion to approve the request from Kimberly grad of Abbott Public Library Director to establish a private account on behalf of the Abbott Public Library Foundation, titled OPK Mary McAllister Fund. So second. All in favor. Great. Thank you both. Thank you’s A wonderful way to honor, I read there’s some pretty nice accolades put recently on, on, on selection of, uh, of, of, of picking the awards. I’m, I’m sorry. Yes. Talking about you. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, thank you. I, I’m having, I think I’m supposed be as cold. I’m having trouble speaking tonight. My brain is frozen. Congratulations. Thank you. On your recent I’m very

1:05:55 Happy to be on the Calico Committee. It’s an honor for The town as well. That’s a huge honor for the town. Yeah, exactly. So thank you for bringing that to this town. Absolutely. My pleasure. Thank you. I can, I can’t speak English. We got the message out. It was important. Thank you. Thank you. I hear those times a lot. It’s, yeah. Alright, so that brings us to the consent agenda items. Um, um, motion made, seconded to accept the fallen consent agenda items, um, um, accept those that may be put on hold. Um, the minutes of November 13th, 2024 and December 4th, 2024. We do not have the other ones that are in your packet or listed here.

1:06:42 Um, surplus equipment, uh, of two stuffed chairs, couple cases. Um, Marblehead Youth Baseball opening day parade on Saturday, May 3rd, 2025 at 9:30 AM bell ringing for Washington’s birthday. Um, that, uh, the bells of Abbott Hall and the churches in Marblehead be wrong on Washington’s birthday, which is this coming Monday, Saturday, Saturday. Um, or sorry, Saturday, February 22nd, um, at the usual holiday hours from 7:30 AM to 8:00 AM 12 noon, 1230, 6:00 PM and six 30.

1:07:19 So moved. Second. All in favor? Great.

1:07:25 Okay. And we have, um, a letter here from Jesco Country Club. They’re hosting the semi-annual Marblehead outing and, um, asking that we, uh, uh, waive the fees for the event. And, um, we have to, uh, solicit letters of interest for who’s going to be hosting it. So I need a motion to approve, um, the US to accept letters of interest from nonprofit organizations to use Esco Country Club on October 27th, 2025 for the semi-annual Marblehead outing. Letters of interest should be submitted by Friday, February 7th, 2025 to the select board, um, at 180 8 Washington Street, or email Wiley k@marblehead.org.

1:08:17 Move second. Okay. All in favor? Great.

1:08:24 And we have, uh, request from, uh, mark Lozier, who’s, uh, licensed, um, commercial lobsterman to, uh, request that the shanty that his father has is currently holding be transferred into his name, so Passed away. We need a motion to approve the request from Mark Lozier to transfer the use of shanty number one, Fred Lozier to Mark Lozier, subject to the receipt of the required documents, current commercial lobster license, and confirmation that A, the applicant has at least a hundred traps and all fees to the town paid with the term to expire in June, 2025. So, little background on this there,

1:09:10 there’s a little number of shandies there. There’s a waiting list for Shandies, which, um, mark was on. So went through sort of the historical records of, of this process. So, um, there is preference, the standard’s been preference that in this case, um, uh, Fred, uh, the father had passed away. The preference is to keep it in the family if they’re on, on the list. So he was lower on the list. But these shanties, um, they’re an, they’re, they’re a financial investment ‘cause they, they own the shanties. It’s on the town property. So, uh, looking through the historic records, it’s been given preference to do the hand down as a priority

1:09:56 when you’re looking at sort of the, the waiting list. Um, so should there be any questions as to how this process has, has gone forth? So Thank you for clarifying. Yeah, Yeah. That was my question. So, Yeah. And, and then, you know, he’ll have to meet all of the, the requirements to be eligible for, for the shanty. So we’ll, we’ll verify all of that. Okay. Awesome. Um, could somebody move the motion? So motion, so moved. Second. All in favor? Okay. And, Um, We have a one day liquor license request for Marblehead Theater, All Little Theater. So I’ll ask for a motion to approve the request

1:10:41 for Marblehead little theater for two one day liquor licenses for February 14th, 2025 and February 15th from six to 10:00 PM at 12 School Street, subject to the usual conditions, delivery of and receipt by the licensing authority of the required fee, $50 delivery of and receipt by the licensing authority, proof of the alcohol we purchased from an authorized source. Proof that the applicant can receive proper delivery, provide proper storage and disposal in accordance with general laws. Chapter 1 38, and the alcohol will be purchased from CAPI dis cap’s distributors.

1:11:21 So moved. Second. Mr. Murray, in favor, Ms. Singer? In favor, Mr. Fox? In favor, Ms. Moon In favor. And our last, uh, business item on the agenda is, uh, uh, we had interviewed Nisha Austin, if you recall, for the Fair Housing, um, committee. And, um, we selected a couple of members. She was, um, part of that interview for Fair Housing. So we’ve already interviewed her and she had like originally expressed an interest in being serving on either of those committees. Mm-hmm. There, the vacancy, uh, there’s been a vacancy announcement since I believe October

1:12:08 for the housing Production Plan implementation committee. So, um, I put it on the agenda and uh, Dan has, uh, reached out to speak with her to confirm her interest in it, uh, as well. And we figured we would, um, see if the board would, uh, vote to appoint her to that committee. Yes. Okay. So we need a motion to appoint Nisha Austin to the Housing Production Plan Implementation Committee as an at large member. Second. Uh, all in favor? Great. Okay. Do we have any select board announcements? Any tonight? Not tonight. Alright. Well then I guess we’ll need a motion to adjourn, so

1:12:54 Motion second. All in favor? Okay. Meeting adjourned.