Select Board: September 9, 2026

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0:03 All right. We’ll call the meeting, the select board of September 9th, 2026, to order. Just to let you know that this meeting is being recorded. We will open up a public comment. Anybody wants to make a comment, you can start with that. If you do, raise your hand and walk up here. Wow. Can we go ahead? No. No. Is he online? Anybody online, Kyle? Take a minute. All right, we’re going to move on quickly then. Excellent. Time is critical. Okay, Patrick. All right. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. A couple items of progress. One, sort of continuing updates on the Mary Alley and Lucy Renovation project. So the project is actually going to kick off next Monday, September 14th, about a week delay from what we announced before, which is good because it gives us more time to clear items out of the building. So again, this first phase is in a lower wing, front wing. So where the– that will be the operating room, the board, and still then that the, we’ll create a larger conference room, public meetings, a community size, a small meeting room, three-lane cap, fully accessible bathrooms, ADA compliant entrances on the two doors coming in. And then go at the other end of the hallway, put doorways that will secure the

1:33 remainder of the building from that wing so that all the public meetings that we have can utilize that part of the building, the boards and committees to be self-help. We don’t need to pay overtime for staff to support those meetings if they’re not already scheduled to be part of them. And, so it provides that accessibility, meeting compliant, and security for the rest of the building. So it should be a big improvement. However, this is phase one. When that is complete, we’re actually going to move a number of the customer-facing departments down into that conference room, set up some temporary service area, treasurer, collector, assessors, so that when the other parts of the building are under construction, we still have the ability to service residents, while we’re doing the construction. So then once the different areas are complete, we can move those folks back and utilize those conference spaces. So again, that kicks off, next week. Some other updates. Rail trail maintenance. So Public Works has been doing a number of maintenance improvements. So we had Maverick Tree complete mowing and clearing of the entire trail. The stuff grows in, the trails get narrower and narrower, so go in and clear that

3:05 out. They did some leveling and adding stone dust between Maverick and Pleasant Street, so improving the surface area. One of the other things we’re doing, now that we have these rail trails, making the improvements, having the capacity to maintain them, creating the function. And then not just the rail trails, but what’s called the green space around the community. So the parks department takes care of the parks. They have the people and equipment and such, but there hasn’t, other than ad hoc, been anybody dedicated, at least not in many years since CWV has been cut in the past, have a crew whose job it is to do the green strips and the weeds growing out of the sidewalks and other areas. We’re trying to reestablish that capability. So in conjunction with the rail trail and the green space, the tree warden’s job is, we’ve rewritten the job where he’s going to be in charge of not just tree warden, but I forget what we called his title, like Green Space Director. I forget the exact title we updated. And then have an assigned crew, I think we’re moving a position from parks over some equipment, and creating the capability that’s not been there for years and years and years where we can start maintaining the green space outside of the

4:37 park areas, maintaining this, making Marblehead look better and having the people and the tools to be able to do a better job of that. So, done a lot of work within public works, so job description changes, realignment, and things of that sort. So that’s my update regarding any questions. Through the chair. Will the veterans agent eventually be located permanently upstairs? Yeah. Okay. And would your- Yeah. Oh, yeah. Staying in there. So what- Good … our plan is where the credit union currently is, credit union will go downstairs. Oh. So they will be, there’s storage space. We’ve cleaned it all out, and they’re like large rooms with windows. You wouldn’t know that before because you’d open the door and have to step aside when the boxes fell on you. We’ve cleaned that all out. And so they’ll move downstairs, and they will be on that side of the wall. So they will be able to have their own access on their own scale- Oh, okay … to come and go. That makes sense. Because they’re not going to be part of the rest of the building. So they’ll be on the veterans agent side, is that what you mean? So if you walk in that hallway, the veterans agent’s office right now is on your right. That’ll be a small meeting room. They will be on your, to your left. Okay. And that part of the corridor, it was a series of storage rooms that we’ve cleaned

6:07 out. Okay. So it’ll be an improvement for them. Yeah. Fair enough. Some closet for them. Yes. Thank you. I have two questions for the chair. Yeah. One question is regarding the Coffin RFP. Yeah. Has that gone out? Yes. So we’re– Go ahead, Brad. September 2nd, yeah. Yeah, September 2nd. Okay. And so when are we expecting– Is it 30 days? I think you said- 40, we’ve gone 45 days. The 30 is the minimum. We want to go 45, give people plenty of time. And, there is also a deadline for questions. They’ll do an RFP process. Anybody who has hold of an RFP submits a question, and we have to respond to it, respond to everybody who’s pulled. But we’ve given a deadline for that, and we’ve also set a date, I don’t have it in front of me, to have any bidders come in to do a tour of the building. So I think that’s the 22nd. Yeah, I didn’t think to put that. I should’ve put all that in there. Sorry, I’ll ask it every time- Yeah … so I have good understanding of these. And then my second question related to the organizational consultant. I think we were working on our, or kind of request for proposals. Yeah. So we found out, we got no responses back. So on my to-do list is make a few phone calls back. One, it’s like,

7:38 “Why are you not interested?” Or maybe they just weren’t paying attention, I don’t know. But I’m going to reach out to some of these firms that do this, to see if we can poke them to put in an RFP. Okay, thank you. I just have another question. Go ahead. Was there an analysis on outsourcing around the rail trail, versus creating a new department? I mean, kind of like with the cost analysis of outsourcing, it seems like something you would do once a year, twice a year, maybe, and does it make sense? Did we do that analysis? Well, I would say we, not a formal analysis, but looking at it, some components of the maintenance will be outsourced, like Maverick Tree. So it’s not a case that the crew is going to do everything that needs to be done on the trail. Like through the tree warden is to manage sort of the contractors that we need to bring in for certain types of work, and then we have our crew to do other types of work. So it’ll be a blended approach. Yeah. Like use that. But yeah, it wasn’t contemplated to just 100% outsource. No. Well, yeah, I think it’s quite a bit. With the clearing of– It seems like once, certainly there’s like a period at the beginning of summer, but it’s like a big clear. I don’t know if it’s once a year or twice a year, but, and I don’t know, it seemed

9:12 like they did a decent job. I was on there the other day, but- But just even that. Yeah. Is that something we could expect Meyer to continue to do annually? That’s their job? I would say- Outsource that … this will probably evolve year after year, because as we gain more experience of doing the maintenance and having some equipment, we have some equipment that does the brush clearing. My sense is, once we’re doing this and we stay on top of it- Mm-hmm … it’ll be more manageable to do it in-house with the equipment. Having Meyer come in is because we’ve not been doing it, and things just get so overgrown. It made sense to bring them in. We don’t have the equipment that you need to do it at the level or at the height that they can do it. I do know that there’s regular maintenance along the same trails for the purpose of municipal light department, because they’re going to keep the trees trimmed and cleared out in order for securing all the lines. So, it is a partnership. Again, the whole rail trail is a partnership between the cycle road owning the top surface area, water and sewer owning pipes under the ground, and municipal light having a combination of wires over above and underneath the ground. So it is sort of a multi-party. But starting this with a

10:44 normal crew, I think it’s three people with John dedicated to this. We’ll start quickly figuring out what is it is more effective to do in-house and what is it that needs to be outsourced. It kind of gets to the question, too, Mr. Chairman, how extensive are the green spaces in town that we need to take care of? The bulk of it’s going to be the rail trail- So- … maintenance, but is there anything else that justifies, I guess, a full-time coach? So I was invited by a resident on the map, who then pointed out whole swaths of areas that are just walkways that are just overgrown. Yep. And, as I explained, we don’t have the capacity to actually do that. That we’re creating that capacity to maintain. Up to now, probably, is responding to complaints, send a crew out away from what they were assigned to do to knock it down, which takes care of it for a month or so, and then it’ll grow back. Having a team, this is sort of a– Once you have a team, they get better at it, they figure out what equipment they need, and they get more and more efficient at it as we go on. So I think it’s going to be, in the beginning, there’s probably more

12:19 lucky than– It’s going to be a challenge, but as this evolves and improves, we’ll get better and better at it. Thank you. I just want to add, down the trails a lot, but there’s some serious stands of pokeweed and knotweed, and Meyer knocked those down in no time. I wasn’t there when they did it, but they would’ve had some special equipment. Yeah, go back in 14 days and that knotweed’s going to be right back. It comes back. You have to dig it up by the roots. All right, everybody, let’s keep moving on. So next up, we have finance committee interviews and appointments. We have five people, we’re lucky enough to have five people who have applied for two openings. The first opening we have is a three-year term to expire in 2029 of June, and the other one expires in June of ‘28, depending on when people left. So process here is, where we have five people, we will ask whoever’s not interviewing to go outside. We’ll call one in at a time and interview. Once you interview, you can stay. And after that, we’ll have discussion and a vote. I think it’s pretty straightforward other than that. So if I could have Michael Flaherty come up first. Good evening. Good evening. Therefore, don’t mind going out, and we’ll call you one at a time. Michael, if you don’t mind coming up here. Great.

13:43 You’re welcome to bring your water up here too if you want. Good evening. Hello. Yeah. How are you? Good, how are you? Good. You want to come, I guess, up here. There’s a team back here. Oh, mind. Welcome. So- Nice to meet you … if you don’t mind telling us a little bit about your background experience that prepares you for the role in town government, specifically how it relates to finance and running the town better. Sure. I’m a 17-year resident of the town. I lived in Stony Brook for the whole 17 years. My wife, Lori. Yeah. Two kids that have gone up through the school system, 13 and 15 right now. So, being a part of the town, obviously, and seeing the changes and what’s happened over time, we’re part of that, so that’s part of that. And then my business background experience, it’s been 25 years of credit analysis. So in one form or another, I’ve been a credit analyst, strategist, or portfolio manager. But through all that, I’ve analyzed companies, dug into financial statements. So, I’m seasoned at that, but I’m sure I have a lot to learn as far as the municipal accounting goes. But a lot of experience in financial statement analysis, financial analysis. Great. Like that. Excellent. Yeah, I think the town municipal’s a little different, but it’s still numbers. Yeah. It’s just- Yeah, I was going to say the same. Such like- It’s still a challenge. Much of it Yeah, it’s just working out how you qualify that. Excellent. We’ll go around and ask questions. Anna, you want to start first? Okay. What is the biggest challenge that you believe income faces?

15:17 I would say that with what was passed last year, perhaps as far as I understand it, that being transparent with how the money’s being spent now with the town and having the citizens of the town understand that and being a honest and transparent provider of information, then that’s what was decided upon is that. Right at the override, the select board and school committee signed an MOU saying it’s going to last at least three years. Our exiting director of finance said it should last 10 years, unless we make a big mistake. But I just want to get general thoughts on how to make that override last as long as possible. Well, I imagine without being able to raise revenue, you’re going to have to manage with costs. So I suspect, not being the municipal finance yet, but for having done a lot of work with that data, it’s difficult with inflation the way it is and costs rising. So I imagine it’s an uphill battle every year to look at the departments and find places where you can save money for every single year. And so that, I imagine, is the biggest hurdle for the committee and the town to try to manage those costs. Okay. Thank you. Chris. Michael, what would you say the role of the finance committee is?

16:50 What’s the lane that it occupies in municipal government? From what I understand, I did read the handbook, not that I know everything. The big one. I spoke to Melody before- Yeah … this opportunity arose. So it seems to provide recommendations to the select board. Meet with all the committees, the departments in town to build budgets and establish their individual budgets, make sure it’s in line with what it’s supposed to be, and then provide a budget to the town meeting, to the select board of the town meeting, and then to opine on all the articles that are in front of that town meeting as well, the recommendations. That’s right. Both advising and recommending. Yeah. That’s right. Great. Hey, Michael. I was just wondering, the question is, how familiar are you with the town’s finances and the budget process? Have you been attending town meetings recently? And, what was your, I guess, takeaway from the budget? How closely did you monitor the budget season last year, and your understanding of how finance is? I mostly read about it in the paper last year. I’ve been to town meeting a handful of times. I did, obviously, from reading it, I understood what they were doing and was glad it was passed. I’m surprised it passed with such a wow. Very happy with that as a town resident. And then reading the documents I’ve read leading up to this, I-

18:26 Sort of have a handle just from the amount of money and the town brings in for revenue and the costs were in there too as well. There’s so much of that. So okay, I guess from a brief reading of those documents, I went back a couple years to try to understand where we were and where this got us. So you looked at the budget page on the- Yeah … and gone from that. Okay, great. Thank you. A couple years. MOU from the last two years I think I read. Thank you. I met with Thatcher, actually. That’s what he spoke about at the month. Great. Talked about that for a while. Got a good understanding from that. Well, you answered the first part of my question. Part of it is how do you specifically prepare for tonight for the interview, and maybe if you could outline any other volunteer positions you’ve held in the past? Yeah. I mean, I think I probably mentioned I’m friends with Molly. Yeah. From the kids in school, so- Mm-hmm … I saw that this was opening up or going to be open. We spoke about it. She shared some documents with me that I read. I read, like you said, all the other documents online to try to get a better understanding of what is a assistant talent. Just read the paper and tried to understand exactly, been seeing what’s changed over time and what this solves for the town. So, spoke with the man, with Thatcher, and sat down yesterday and talked about the issues with the town and how we felt that the role, what the best person that is

20:01 skilled wise brings to the role. So I think, a decent background, but very quickly, and trying to get into speed very quickly on it, so I’m sure a lot to learn. Yeah. And then that’s, as far as this, who wanted me to do this was, I have traveled, I volunteered with my son’s basketball as a coach in town, but this will be first way for me to give back to the community that I’ve lived in for so long rather to, and also fit my skill set. So- Great … thought it’d be a good opportunity to combine those two things. Great. I think that’s all we got unless there’s anything else you want to add that we missed that you think is important, Joseph. No, just very enthusiastic. I think it’ll be an interesting change from what I was doing. For sure. Great. Well, thank you. Welcome, Sam. Yeah, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

21:02 Who’s next? Second. Dennis McDonald. McDonald. Okay. Okay, yeah. Good evening, Dennis. You all right? All right. Thank you for waiting. Welcome. Oh, we had a great chat. Did you? Yeah. Anything I can help you with? No, that’s all. Okay. That’s all. Perfect. Well, it’s good to see that you can hold your confidentiality. That was the first test out there. Okay, good. Absolutely passed. You guys failed that. We’ll see. We’ll see what happens when they come in. Dennis, if you mind telling us a little bit about your background, and your experience that prepares you for budgeting, and also for looking at finance and trying to make the town run with it and constraints we’re budget. Okay. I’ve had 15 years in board of finance of a town that I lived in prior to Marblehead. So elected position, so if I’m like, some board’s appointed here is elected. And I was elected three times. The first time, obviously, there was a ballot, that I went up against. Second and third time, both the Republicans and Democrats endorsed me. Yeah, except for one okay chap. The town I live in and had worked on, on the board of finance. It’s a small town. Wasn’t like Marblehead over here might be, you’re a small town. It was even much smaller. But financially, all the same things, all the same issues.

22:34 Be it affordable housing. Okay. Mostly legal fee, fees associated with that. You opposed it, my town, similar to here. School systems. Okay. Unlike Marblehead, it was 60% of our budget, and it was not controlled by the board. It was an independent school board, okay, that went through a separate vote to the town. So the board of finance, which I was the chairman of, and we had to take that budget as it was presented to us, as is, and then deal with that. The challenge there was that it was a regional school system, three towns. We each had our own elementary school, but we shared the high school. And the percentage of that budget was shared by each town, by the population, by the percentage. And so if one town’s population goes up and one goes down, our share of that budget goes along with it, out of our control. So the challenge there was obviously to keep the tax rate, flat if we could. And we did in most years, kept it flat. Professionally, I worked budgets from 100 million, 200 million. I was in the exhibition trade show business, Reed Elsevier. People might know them from LexisNexis and Bloomberg Hub.

24:08 But, I worked for the exhibition company. I was senior vice president, and retired after 20 years. Everybody became president when I retired. So those budgets were approved by the, not only the local chairmans, but also it was an English company, so it was approved by the board because I made presentations there as well. And those budgets went from 100 million to more. I’m new to town. That can be good or bad. Pardon me? How recently did you- Within the last year or so. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah. Why am I here? Why did I move here? My daughter married a local boy. Okay. Having been here for two generations, baseball here, football, basketball champion, all those things. And he’s nine. We get it. So my daughter now works at the Schroeder School. Right. And she’s the director of academics. Great. Welcome. Great. So we’re going to ask you some questions. Appreciate that. That’s all good. That’s what we’re going to do. Yeah. Okay. So what is the biggest challenge that you believe that the finance committee faces right now? Well, I think, well, you had a big challenge last year with the override.

25:38 I think the challenges this year are going to be primarily, again, legal fees. If in fact, those are associated with the affordability housing issue, if they’re not resolved. School budget, obviously they’re always something that’s going up, but it’s fixed costs. I mean, it’s stuff you can’t control. Health, okay, pension, things that you are served with, and then you got to find the variable costs that can go along with that. In some cases, at least in my previous life, we had a pretty good reserve. Okay. And if we got hit with something in any one particular year that was over and above normal, we would be able to pull some of that reserve to keep the tax rate down. Okay. The issue was we had a balanced budget. There was no deficit budgeting. Okay. It had to be balanced. And so those are the kind of challenges I think we’re seeing here. Very similar, education, and fixed costs. Speaking of the override, prior to the override vote, the select board in total did sign an MOU promising that the override would last at least three years. Our existing CFO thought it should be more like 10 years. So the question I have for you is, what are your thoughts on making that last as long as possible? Well, depends what the expenses are. I mean, if you have to cover your expenses, you’re going to have to find a way to

27:09 do it. And if you don’t have the variable expenses or the controls in place to do that, then maybe one year, maybe three years, maybe 10 years. It depends what’s going forward. So I don’t think you can make a decision today on what the right answer is. I think it depends on what the future it brings relative to the budget process. Thank you. Oh, just give me. This is kind of a question that I think you can handle with ease, but what do you think the role of the finance committee is in Marblehead specifically, and kind of what lane it occupies in town government? Keep taxes in, control spending, control budgeting. Yeah, it’s pretty painful, driven. It’s not a business per se, but they’re all the same variables associated. Where I came from, for 15 years, we had, in any case, a mill rate. Yeah, not a tax rate, but same thing. And we kept the mill rate, or tax rate, pretty flat until 10 years ago. I just have a quick follow-up. Okay. In Marblehead, the FinCom really recommends and it advises. Was that similar to what your experience was in Kennedy? No, like you hear, no, the budget went in front of the town. Right. Same thing. Okay. And in fact, I was the moderator. Who was the moderator last time here?

28:41 Sitting right behind you. So one of my questions is- You weren’t simultaneous. Both, were you? No. Yes. You were both? Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. But when I was elected to be moderator, on site, by the fact people investing content. I guess the question I have about the moderators is, was the experience last year, the general climate that you see at your meetings, or is it a little bit more… I would say you’ll have to show up next year to see. Yeah. We take it as- Yeah. She’ll do it. Jokingly. I will. Yeah, absolutely. Next. So I just wanted to give you a chance to speak to your knowledge of the town’s finances and how closely did you follow along with the budget process? Did you read the coverage for it, and just how familiar are you with the state of our finances today? Well, being in the same position as you people were for 15 years, it’s hard not to be interested in those things. Okay. And it was more interesting to see, the towns were quite different size. Our budget was 10% of what your budget, but all the same line items, just different zeros at the end of each one. I think I did keep close tabs on it. And I was particularly interested in the school budget,

30:13 and also with the payroll. Now the other things that stood out were the legal fees, okay, that were cut. But they were already seemed pretty high to begin with, so I was concerned where that expense is going. Is it affordable housing? The fights, the state on that? I know where I came from it was. It was five developers coming in and trying to secure affordable housing. But there were legal battles. Not a big budget for legal fees. Similarities were the property taxes were the primary income, okay, for the towns. And again, the fixed costs, nothing much you can do about. I guess the question I would have is on the fixed costs and on salaries, what percentage of those were contracted increases versus percentages of increases that were actually deemed necessary, but not necessarily required. Makes sense. Check on what’s going on up there. Yeah. Oh, sorry. We got another meeting going upstairs where they said they’ve obviously got a very loud microphone. It sounds more exciting than ours. Honestly, it does. Yeah. So I think that’s it for now. We appreciate it. That’s it. That’s all we got.

31:43 That’s all we got. You passed your confidentiality test. Unless there’s anything else you want to add? No. Should I send them home or what? No, just get out there. Yeah. Really appreciate the time. Thank you. Appreciate it. See you folks after the dance. Yeah. Jesus. They already left. I think I said- You’re staying here. Yeah, you’re welcome to stay and listen. Yeah, if you’ve already got the- Pallet there, so they can- I think, Kyle. I’ll go and see. Well, then let’s– Can you grab Mike? Well, that’s what she’s doing. Looks like she was going to tell them to quiet down. It’s not that. You can- Okay. You want me to check that out? Make sure we’re not over capacity or anything with that noise? No, I’m coming like… She did. I mean, what? Sounds like more fun. No, I’m kidding. Let us know if you need Dennis. I think- Important things- Need some reasonable. Okay, Mike. Sounds gets loud out there, huh? Yeah. The meeting- The meeting upstairs. Lot of apostles. Is it? I bet. So, well, welcome to the library then, the quiet room here. Thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. If you want to just tell us a little your background, your experience, and how that prepares you for this role in town government, specifically how it relates to budgeting and looking at finances. Yeah. I’ve run my company and rental properties on the side for about 30 years now.

33:16 And it’s– I’ve got to budget all the time to make sure it’s got to be right. I’m always looking for ways to budget better, find savings, trim it down. Take a lot of legwork sometimes. It’s… Give you my resume. Yeah, you’re right, Mayor. Yeah, maybe your resume. You’re right. Yep. Yeah. Thank you. So I think we see a lot of that. Miss? Yes. So what do you believe is the biggest challenge facing the finance committee this year? After the tax increases coming, I don’t think there’s going to be any leeway for the town as far as next time, which from here on out, there’s no one big thing that’s going to square up the budget. It’s going to be a lot of little things. It’s going to take a lot of work, really trying to find ways to trim down every department in the budgets. From what I understand, we’re on track to square up the pension obligation about 10 years or so. Right. I think that’s a great light at the end of the tunnel. I know once we do, a lot of it’s got to go towards supposedly the medical insurance part. I don’t know how that would work, but just looking for ways we can keep opening up

34:50 more and more room, give us breathing room in the future. Thank you. Sure. I know you answered part of my question, but to be fair, we all have to ask certain questions to everybody. So, the override we had, and the select board and school committee signed an MOU saying it’s going to last at least three years. Now we’re going direct to finance side. It could last as long as, say, 10 years. And so my question for you is ideas, thoughts on just making it last as long as it can. Well, I don’t know. I don’t want to bring up any hot button or anything. One of the things that stood out to me is the medical insurance, and choosing want to strike there for, be like the other towns and get their pay. Well, the other towns don’t pay home 17% of the medical insurance. There’s a lot of things like that, I think, that can keep swimming down the budget. Hopefully the coffin school will take a dent. The Glover debt, I think, comes, is finishing up in 2028. That would help free up rooms, a lot of little things like that. Great. Thank you. Next. Sure. What would you say the role of the finance committee is in a town like Marblehead, and kind of what’s its lane in town government? From what I understand, work with all the different departments around town to

36:21 see what their budget needs are, come back and, as far as finance committee members, come up with ways to save the town money, find better efficiencies in the budget. It’s not all going to be friendly with the departments afterwards. Tough decisions are going to be made. I’d love to see that memorandum of understanding keep going for 10 years. Maybe I’ll come up with ideas and work with the departments on the budget. Okay. Thank you. No problem. So my question is, what’s your awareness about the budget process that we just went through? And I guess how closely did you follow along? Do you regularly attend meetings? And just perhaps speak to how you feel your command of the town’s finances is. From what I understand, the recent increase brought the water rate from here to here, and I’d like to keep it here. And I go to all the town meetings every year.

37:44 And I think, yeah. I just understand how to get on the phone and find different ways to save money. Budget, constantly with the budget. Thanks. Mike, one more question. So anything you did specifically to prepare for tonight, and also if you could let us know of any other volunteer positions you’ve held in the past?

38:12 I haven’t had any other volunteer positions, but I did prepare tonight. I watched the interview from last time on TV there. Of course, we’re all different. Yeah. We’re tricky that way. Yeah. Great. Unless there’s anything else you think that we didn’t touch on, feel free to have a seat and listen to the rest there. Okay. Great. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, Nick.

38:52 Good evening, Renee. Sorry, good evening. Oh, there. At least you’re not the last one who’s sitting out there alone. Yeah, Renee, welcome. Yeah. All in the right. All- You guys don’t know how quiet it’s been sitting in here, has it? If you don’t mind just starting off telling us a little bit about your background, and specifically how that prepares you for budgeting- Okay … and this role in general. Awesome. My name’s Renee Sidnan. I’ve lived in Marblehead for 14 years. And I’d like to say I married into the North Shore. I have two boys. One is 13, his name’s Micah, and the other one is 17, that’s Caleb, and you guys actually met him a few couple months ago because he’s the student representative at Marblehead High to the task force against discrimination. Perfect. I love data. I know it sounds super dorky. My entire career is around data and making it consumable to business users, to operators, to administration. I started out at Fidelity Investments. For 14 years, I supported trading floors, specifically the high yield trading floor and then strategic advisors. I actually left Fidelity Investments about 14 years ago. I was there for 14 years. I left 13 years ago, and I started in nonprofit healthcare. Okay. And I started as a data analyst in North Shore Physicians Group, and I’ve been at MGB for

40:26 13 years. I’m now the Director of Enterprise Analytics within Mass General Brigham. I support across the entire system, all of ambulatory analytics from an operational standpoint, and quality metrics, and clinical operations and improvement. And now, I also include all seven community hospitals for operational analytics and the three specialty hospitals within Mass General Brigham. Great. Listen, I’m a dork when it comes to those data as well, so I appreciate that. Wonderful. Okay. Yeah. What do you believe is the biggest challenge that faces the finance committee? I think maintaining trust with the town. I think that the town made a beautiful investment with the override, and making sure that there is understanding of that financial investment and working with all of the departments and being able to show a balanced budget at town meeting, and just really understanding the financial stewardship of the town. Thank you. Before the override vote, the Select Board and School Committee signed an MOU budgeting- Yeah … for the last of these three years. Yeah. Our ongoing finance director thought it should be more like 10 years. My question for you is just what’s your general thought on making it last as long

41:57 as reasonably possible? I read the MOU, and I agree with the three years. If we can extend it, of course, we absolutely should, and build that trust with the town, because I know it was a hard-fought battle to get it to the ballot, and I think that is really important to maintain that. Thank you. Renee, what would you say the role of the finance committee is in a town like Marblehead? Kind of specifically, what lane does it occupy in town government? I think that the biggest role is to show the balanced budget in a town meeting, and also to just have that trust and transparency in working with all of the departments, and making sure that they’re staying within what was agreed to within the budget. And if they can’t, what can we do to improve that before it becomes a problem? And that’s kind of what I do at work. Thank you. Great. My question is around how closely you were able to follow the budget season we had. Obviously a more unique standout season. How closely were you able to follow it? Do you attend the town meeting, and just how do you feel just overall about your command of the financial state of the town?

43:28 So I attend every town meeting. I think it’s really important to be a part of town meeting. I go with some friends, and we make an evening of it. And I think this year, especially with the budget and understanding I’m invested in it as a parent using the public school system, hearing what was going to get cut was really impactful to me in making sure we had an appropriate voice there. I spoke with Molly about the role of the finance committee and what this position would entail, and I would want to get obviously more involved and understanding all of that further. Thank you. Okay. I think you’ve pretty much answered my question, but I was going to ask it anyway. So how did you prepare specifically for tonight, and maybe talk about any other volunteer experiences you’ve had? Okay. So preparing for tonight, I read the last few town meeting letters that the finance committee put out, so probably the last two years. I read the MOU. Again, I spoke with Molly to understand what this would entail and really understand the position of the time that it would need and meeting with the different department heads. Other volunteer things within

45:00 my family. So I was on the board of directors at Congregation Shirat Hayam for many, many years, probably six years, and then I became the president of the board there. I helped rebuild the preschool, understanding that the market changed within Swampscott, and really trying to rebuild it and rebuild the financial security of Shirat Hayam. And then when I was done with that, my husband was the president of My Brother’s Table for many years through the pandemic and when the need was really strong in the Lynn community within My Brother’s Table. We do a lot in the community. We were foster parents within the state. We had foster daughters for a few years also. So we do a lot of volunteer work. We do. Okay. Unless there’s anything else that you don’t think we touched base on during her release. Okay. Thank you, Renee. Thank you.

46:05 I think we want to sit down. Please sit down. Yeah, you can stay here.

46:12 Hey, Dave. Welcome. Sorry that your last name starts with a W. That’s all right. I know patient nine in school and all that. So good evening. If you just want to tell us a little bit of your backgrounds, specifically how that relates and prepares you for looking at budget and financing, specifically to the role of finance guy. Okay, sure. Well, I’ve certainly been working with budgets in my whole professional career, sometimes as a cost center, sometimes revenue budgets, and more recently in full P&L responsibilities. I did concentrate on operations and finance in my MBA at MIT. I am involved in a variety of other things that have really exposed me to the challenges of this town. I think for most of you know that I’ve been involved in the master plan group with Jim and 23 of our closest friends when the whole committee is there. But that opened my eyes to thinking a lot more about the future of the town and where I could maybe make a difference, in different ways and spend a lot of time at this group’s meetings, FinCom meetings through the spring, through the override process. And that was really rewarding, in a lot of different ways. And I observed the kind of partnership that really emerged through the process this year between the school committee and this board and FinCom,

47:43 and Alec and Molly’s leadership, I think, has been really extraordinary. And, I’ve talked to quite a number of people, spent time with Molly, with Pat Franklin, sought out a number of FinCom members, and current ones too. Yeah. Really think this through, because I know it’s a very serious role, a big time commitment. I do have other irons in the fire. Some of those things are summarized, but a number of them will be ending this year or next year, including our work with the Master Plan 2037. And one of the things I was really looking forward to is a little bit more of an effort around implementation. And as I thought about the role of FinCom, certainly there’s a partnership there in looking at the budgets, working with the finance organization on the town side, but also with school committee. I was at the first school committee, not first, but first of the school year, this week, and met Kristen, who’ll be taking over the finance role there. And for a lot of the summaries, it was a robust agenda. And in thinking about ways to try to bring the town together after the override process, it just felt like this was a good opportunity for that. So I’m very comfortable with numbers. I’m not the spreadsheet guru that probably Alec and a number of the other committee people are, but I work with QuickBooks every day. I’m very comfortable with budgets of all types. The last half of my career at MIT was primarily focused on fundraising of different

49:18 types, corporate foundation and individual. So I wrote proposals and worked with numbers. I’m an engineer by background, and I’ve talked a lot about leading hydraulic fluid and spending time in manufacturing, but my real career is in higher ed at MIT for 35 years. So… That’s great. Excellent. Senator, further questions? What do you believe is the biggest challenge that the finance committee faces? Yeah.

49:48 Well, I think I’ll say the most important one is probably continuing to partner with the select board and school committee and the financial professionals in those organizations, as well as the committees, to really honor the spirit of the MOU and carry that collaboration forward. So I’ll say that’s important. In terms of the biggest challenges, I do think bringing different factions together in the town to actually be able to use our form of governance through town meeting and all the other boards and committees and commissions that have to come together to make things happen in a positive way going forward, I think that’s going to be challenging. Yeah. Thank you. Before the overrides, the school committee select board signed a three-year MOU budgeting not to have another override. And when Alicia Engine left, she was talking more of a 10-year timeframe. Mm-hmm. And my question is just general thoughts on stretching that override, as long as it can possibly be stretched. Absolutely. Maybe to Roshan’s question. So I think that will be a challenge because I think everybody that’s involved in the town and in different roles will want to deliver on the promises of the third tier and spreading it over those three years.

51:19 But I think the best thing we could do going forward, and I think we will grapple with this because I spent a lot of time with the master plan data that we got a week ago. On many of the toughest issues, the town is absolutely divided on those things. And so I think building that bridge path to be able to accomplish those things and show success through the early years, but still to keep our powder dry for future years. I’ve plotted the 10-year vision, and she had a graph that went a lot farther than 10 years, too. But of course that’s wishful thinking in some ways as well. So… Okay. Thank you. So definitely be in that spirit. Mm-hmm. David, you alluded to the role of FinCom in your opening comments. You’ve spoken very knowledgeably about it. How would you characterize the lane that FinCom occupies in town government? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it’s a good question, and I think it’s one based on my conversations with past members that go back even decades. It evolves. I think there’s a core set of responsibility. The first thing after I’d spent an hour with Molly is she sent me the 169-page FinCom handbook from the state, and I did- Okay … scan through it and actually read parts that I thought would be helpful at the time. And people talk about it being a watchdog sort of thing for the

52:53 budget and for the different offices involved. I don’t really like that connotation. I saw a partnership through the spring. And, I would say going back, too, because FinCom has been talking about structural deficits and other challenges for more than a few years. And so I think that role of keeping an eye on the budget and helping all the relevant parties stay true to that, and then presenting information as clearly as possible for town meeting and any other relevant activities surrounding that, but definitely for town meeting, is a really important role. But if I could give another example of the work that I think Molly’s spearheaded, but others around this table and other parts worked on the senior tax, or the property tax relief program that eventually was signed off at the state level. I still remember that day. We’re sitting in Dunkin’ Donuts for these information sessions. Dan and Molly and I were then tackling Carl Goodman, who brought spreadsheets in. And that was what it should be, though. We were talking pretty deeply, not as emotionally as the microphones on upstairs. And in the middle, and then Molly and I, another couple came in and sat by our table, and so we broke off and we’re talking to them, and her phone rang, and it was the call that Governor Healey had signed that package. And so I think, at least based on conversations I’ve had with Pat and Molly, I

54:26 think there’s room for something more than the watchdogging or the budget preparation task that FinCom play a role in. And I come back to the data that we got out of the second mother of all surveys. I’d say the first one was still the health survey last spring, but the one that we put together for the master plan was brutal. Mm-hmm. That’s going to take some creative financing to try to accomplish a lot of the things that the respondents in that survey presented. And I think this is a committee that can help put those sorts of things together. I know when I talk about implementation, I know that FinTown doesn’t implement- It’s an advisory. It’s an advisory … absolutely. And I appreciate that role. But I’ve also seen examples where they can do more than just opined something, that they can actually move something forward in a meaningful way. And I’d love to be part of that. Great, David. Thank you. Okay. So my question feels a little silly because you’ve been an ever-present face at these meetings last spring. But I’ve asked all the applicants to talk about your knowledge of the town’s finances, attendance at town meetings, and any kind of following up, like how closely did you follow along with last spring? Very closely. Yeah, like I said, I went to the FinTown meetings, and you see me at your meetings as well. I’m still learning the language of municipal finance. I’ll be honest about that, too. But I think I’m a quick study, and the concepts are

56:01 pretty similar to private sector. It’s just a lot of times the jargon or the relationship between local and state and once in a while federal, and has a different sort of cadence to it, shall we say. But I feel pretty comfortable being able to look through different things, and I try to take handouts from all the meetings I’m at, so if I have questions, I can dig into them a little bit further. Thank you. Last question. Again, just asking everybody the same questions. How do you prepare specifically for this interview? Maybe if you could touch on some volunteer experiences you’ve had in the past. Okay. Yeah, I’ve been on different boards for nonprofits. Junior Achievement for 16 years, and that was a very active board, multi-million dollar budget just in the Greater Boston area.

57:01 One of the irons in the fire is, I think some of you know I’m Commodore of the Mount Our Lady of Lebanon, been Busch Commodore, Rear Commodore. In two years now, as Commodore, but I’ll be rolling off of that now. But that’s a very volunteer-driven club. We have one salaried employee. That’s the guy that was sitting in the chair when we were on the agenda a few weeks ago. And the rest of the club is run by volunteers, basically, except for our lunch driver, which is our only employee. So, that’s been a great volunteer experience. Master plan, it’s been rewarding. I’m really into the work. It’s been frustrating in a lot of different ways as well. Progress is slow. We’ve done about half the meetings we should have done by this time. We get about half of the 25-person committee involved there. Consultants are doing a lot of the work. But I’ve worked with advisory boards for the last 17 years of my career at MIT, and actually, even when I was on the academic side, worked a lot with boards. And I know how hard it is to work with part-time boards, to make their component of the work be meaningful when you’re on the professional staff side. And I think I see that at times, the tension between professional staff. I’ve talked to Alicia different times about different things in the same kind of way as FinTown is one thing, and then the staff is dealing with it every day and trying to figure out what that balance is. Back to the lane question, I think it would be a fair one with respect to the

58:32 professional staff versus volunteers in this town. But an awful lot that happens in this town, and this board is probably at the top of the heap of that, is through volunteers, really. Mm-hmm. And we need professionals there on the only basis. Great. Well, thank you so much. You’re welcome. Thank you, David. Yeah, thanks, man. Thank you. Appreciate it. So why don’t we– Can we start with a motion to place all applicants’ names into nominations? So moved. All in favor? Okay, so the process here, as mentioned at the beginning, is we have two spots open. The first applicant will have the appointment for a term ending in June 2029. Second, that we appoint, will be June 2028. Process we go through here is that’s where we’ll poll everyone. Go around the table and you say the name on the third ballot. If we get a majority for that person’s name, we’ll go to a second. We can discuss, and if we don’t get a majority, we will take away people with the lowest votes. So then doing this on the first name? We just- Well, do you want to do this one at a time? Right. We’ll do one at a time. Okay. Yep. One at a time. Oh. Well, how about that? Let me call your name first. And let him do his professional job. Sorry. I need to do something while I’m standing here. That is fair. The tension is building up. Okay.

1:00:02 I’m going to just give a little Moses Raven preamble for us, is we have a lot of great, very qualified applicants. It’s very hard to choose. And I will say from experience, I came before this board many times for different positions. Sometimes I got them, sometimes I didn’t, but I didn’t lay up. So anyhow, I am going to go with David Weber because he was very involved with the select board, including FinCon, over the past year. So… Ms. Lemon. I want to thank all of the applicants for their time tonight and just incredibly, we’re so happy to have you, and stepping forward, the resumes were extraordinary, professional. Any one of you would be a perfect– It would be a great addition. This is really a difficult decision. I’m going to, I guess, my first vote give to Renee Mesadmen. I think that she is going to be good at that data crunching and analytics, which I know that having spoken to our chair of the finance committee, that we did roll off somebody who was big into data crunching and analytics, and so it’d be nice to have that. That kind of stood out to me. Okay. Mr. Greer? Yeah, I’d just like to echo what you said, and we’re really thankful that we have so many people who put up their hands and volunteer for the town. It really makes the town run. I’m going to cast my vote

1:01:38 for David Weber for similar reasons. He’s been very engaged with the town, he’s very knowledgeable, and I go with him. So, Hobbs. I guess my decision is based on knowledge of who is on that board and the different skill sets that we need. I’m going to go with David Weber as well. Mr. Weber has three votes, majority, fill that first seat. Now we’ll go to the second seat. Shift the starting point, and traditionally do, Mr. Zisson. Okay. This time, one of the things that always I look for is volunteerism and leadership, and I saw Renee Sidman run the congregation, which I guess melded a lot of different ideas and leadership, so I’m going to go with Renee Sidman for this one. Okay. Ms. Lemon? I will, again, for the same reasons, put forward Ms. Mesadmen. Mr. Greer? I will do the same. Ms. Fronte? I will do the same, but I must say I was going to have somebody else if Renee would’ve had the first spot. So, but I’ll stay consistent, but I did have a second person in mind. You good?

1:03:10 It’s sort of doesn’t matter, but I was going to– I would vote for Michael Weber. Cool. Congratulations. I don’t think we need to tally that up. To David and Renee, thank you all for coming out. Encourage you to hopefully stay involved, for sure. And the two of you, Kyle will be in touch about getting sworn in. Awesome. We’ll send out an email. So thank you all. Appreciate it. And just to let you know, we had a great group. So I encourage you to stay involved. Thank you. Very tight. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. 16. Thank you. We’ll see you again soon. I know. But I- Great job.

1:04:08 No, she didn’t. Hold on. Hey, thank you for coming in. Appreciate it. My daughter’s studying.

1:04:24 All right. Let’s continue on with the meeting. We can have- It’s so hard. It’s just- It’s really hard So next up we have an appointment for police officer Luke Morris. Luke, if you could come on up and do your thing. Good evening. Good evening. How you doing? This is always one of those ones that we really enjoy. Yes, we do. Thank you for being here. Yes, sir. Dennis, if you want to just take the lead here. Give a little background on- All right. Good evening. Thank you, select board, for having me today. Also for me, the two favorite things that I do as a police chief is ask for you to make an offer to an individual to become a police officer, and the second is to promote somebody. So, this is definitely one of the better parts of the job. So, I am going to respectfully request that the board offer a conditional offer of employment to Luke Morris as a full-time police officer for the town of Marblehead. Luke grew up in Marblehead. He’s a graduate of Marblehead High, served in the Marine Corps from July ‘21 to June of ‘25 and was honorably discharged. I’ll talk a little bit more about him, but in terms of the offer itself, you know our process. We do a thorough background, that includes everything from medical to psychological to world review board, that

1:06:00 gets to the point where we decide, or I decide, that there’s a recommendation to be made. And Luke has been able to complete all of these in fine fashion. And so, as the appointing authority, the select board, that is where my recommendation fits in the process. I’ll just say that a little bit about Luke, because I know that everybody always wants to hear about the candidates. His birthday is today. Oh, happy birthday. Wow, okay. Should have started with that. It’s a good gift. I sometimes save those for the end, right? I’ll just say that he’s joined by his mom, Kelly, his dad, John, goes by Pi, and I see Kink. And you have a brother, Patrick, as well. Yes. Okay. And, so I think that some of the attributes that for me stick out is his service and commitment to his country and now to the community that he grew up in. And so, he’s young. And with that, comes with some challenges as a police officer. However, I do believe that his upbringing, being from what I’ve been told, he’d be a third-generation law enforcement police officer, which is really something that’s tremendous in terms of

1:07:34 commitment from him and his family. But that experience was likely very much augmented by his time in the service, in the military, as a Marine. Where he achieved the rank of lance corporal. And, I think that for me, that is a sign of many attributes of dedication, commitment, purpose, all of which the Marblehead Police Department and the town of Marblehead should offer. So, for me, before you ask Luke any questions, I’m offering to the select board to offer this conditional offer of employment to a son of Marblehead, that is committing to serve his community, not unlike he served his country. Excellent. Anybody have any questions? I think you’ve covered a lot there. I don’t know if you want to have a chance to tell us anything else that he missed. Summarize it. What was your MOS? I was an 0311 rifleman. MC. That’s good. Thank you for your service. Thank you. It was great. It was a cool experience. Natural. Have you been thinking about being a police officer? It’s kind of been an early childhood thought, having my dad be a police officer.

1:09:05 It’s always been– I’ve been around it, and it’s just something I’ve always thought about doing. Great. It’s great to have you grow up here, and blocking service, so relationships will help. Thank you. Excellent. I appreciate it. Congratulations. Looking forward to it. Yeah, happy birthday. Thank you. There you go. That’s nice. Yeah, exactly. And also recognizing your brother Jake’s service on the fire department. Correct. So again, a line of service you take- Great. Thank you. Well, with that, we wait for this, a motion to make a conditional offer of employment to Luke Morris as permanent full-time police officer, town of Marblehead, subject to completion of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts physical abilities test, a complete physical examination, and psychological examination to be conducted by the town’s physician, and a psychiatrist/psychologist at the town’s choosing. The offer will have an effective date of October 24th, 2026, for the first date available of an eligible police count. So moved. Second. All in favor? Aye. Congratulations. Thank you. Paul Senior. Yeah. You’re good? Good to go. We’ll see you later. Absolutely. Thank you all for coming. Congratulations to your family. Thanks for meeting. Next up on our agenda is a letter of support for the EOHLC.

1:10:38 This is for the project on Broaden Road. Wind development is looking for us to send a letter to express our support, and it’s technically for the Marblehead Housing Authority request for project eligibility. Just for background, Wind presented last– I think you were there, Jim. Yeah. To the planning board and Marblehead Housing Authority. We are not saying, just so you know, we are not saying that we approve of everything in this plan. They still need to still go back through local review through the permit process. This is that we are in favor of supporting the project, going to the EOHLC, and that’s pretty much what we’re here to do. Right. Any questions on that? Any questions at the back? Oh. You do? Yeah. Go for it. That the presentation at the planning board last night was really thorough. I think it was pretty well received. There was good feedback. Some of you may or may not have been able to follow it or catch the coverage today. I appreciate the service of the Marblehead Housing Authority board members and, yeah, the Polk now new married name I’m still learning. But, I thought it was a great presentation and happy to support 50 new affordable units for seniors in town. That’s a common refrain. We’ve heard it a lot, and this goes a long way. I mean, 50 units is something. And it’s a project that’s been identified and, it’s nice to see, since 2020 and our

1:12:13 housing production plan, and so it’s nice to see this coming to fruition. I know we’re a long way from there, but just that it’s rolling, and these projects can take years and years, as everybody knows. But, yeah, just really happy to support the project. That’s been kind of a long vision, and it supports our goals and priorities around increasing the affordable housing in town, particularly addressing senior needs. And I just wanted to add a couple things that– I was in person at the meeting. And as a former housing authority member, a long time ago, this will be a vote of basically support. In fact, it’s really a stakeholder and a lot of people don’t realize it’s not a town program. Right. And I want to say the presentation last night, I know there was originally one building that got shoved in, March and then to a four-story. And I was here earlier and talked to a lot of people that was concerned about the four. It was back down to three, and there was a lot more support for that. There were still some open issues, just as you said, Dan, with outback, but that’s for a different board to work out for the details and design, so. Yeah, and I’ve been impressed with the cooperation between Marblehead Housing Authority, the planning board, community development, and the whole communication that’s happened there and the change that come. Yeah. I get to see some more positive- Yeah … out of that, that- Yeah … that the neighbors could be happy with. Yeah. So. Yeah. I’m in full support of this, of supporting this process and getting it going, so it’s very helpful.

1:13:44 Great. If I could have a motion to send a letter of support for Marblehead Housing Authority’s request for project eligibility for proposed redevelopment of the Broaden Road community to the Executive Office of Housing and Livable Communities. So moved. Second that. All right, all in favor? Excellent. Next up, good luck, everybody. I’ll be following, but keep up the good work. Consent agenda items. I have a motion to approve the following consent agenda items subject to, let’s see, minutes of August 12th, 2026, August 26th, 2006, August 31st, 2006, Avon Festival of Arts, Arts and Fair, December 4th through 7th, 2006, and the lease agreement for private drinking connections between the town and 44 Winthrop. Second. Second. All in favor? We have a few contracts. Patrick, contract person? Yeah. So the first one, fiber optics info. As you may be probably received event to do an additional fiber loop around the neck. As a part of that, we’re adding some change orders to include some facilities that were not included in the first fiber loop project that we did. In this case, it’s for the Harbor Master’s office to connect that in, and it’s being covered by the Harbor Master’s repair maintenance buildings budget.

1:15:15 Yeah. Great. I have a motion to approve change order three for contract 2024-031 between the town and Kong Trapped Anchor. Yep, for $10,589.81 and to authorize Teresa on behalf of the board. So moved. Second. All in favor? This second contract, this is paid for from a grant. A survey and plan grant. Historic Commission applies to this annually, and the purpose is to survey historic properties. So this is utilizing the grant to do that purpose. Great. Motion to approve contract between the town and Massachusetts Historical Commission for a $50,000 grant, authorize Teresa to sign on behalf of the board. So moved. Second. All in favor? Excellent. We will move on to our last. We understand if people want to leave with the Patriots on at 8:30. So don’t feel a need to stay here. No one’s judging you if you decide to leave. We’re going to try to get this done by then anyway. So next up, I know that we have all talked at different times with Colin Center, and what we have here is the town manager profile. I think people have seen this. Also, just forwarded some different salary comparables from different towns, which I found very helpful- Yeah, I did too … to see that, to try to set that, and this basically talks about, as you know,

1:16:45 the profile and what we’re looking for in a town administrator, as well as some information for them. And we’ve gone back and forth independently. Hopefully, this encompasses it. If we vote on this to go forward tonight, this will be posted tomorrow. Mm-hmm. And then we have the, so you see on October 8th, a deadline for resumes to come back. And then as we discussed before, we will go through a screening committee, and then ultimately, the select board will make the final decision, as we know. Yep. So hopefully we have the timeline. I think that’s pretty well from where we started here. We’re staying on. People have had a chance to look at this, hoping to incorporate everything and- No, sure. It’s great touch. Great. Maybe we’ll get everyone on here for Patriots game. I’ve got a motion to approve the town manager profile as presented and authorize Sarah to submit the final document. So moved. Second. All in favor? Great. Any select board announcements? And just very quickly, I wanted to commend our public safety services. They’ve had a couple of calls and out there for a rescue at sea and a fire just around the corner from here and back to school managing pretty smooth traffic control with all the road work and construction going on, with our officers on detail out on the streets, and yeah, I know it’s been busy. Great.

1:18:15 Second that. Do I have a motion to adjourn? So moved. Second. All in favor? Great. Thank you all.