Board of Health: July 12, 2022

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0:03 And right so it is 734. This is the board of health problem meeting the order tonight. I’m Andrew petting the director of Public Health tonight is the reorganization of the board didn’t I have any nominations or emotions tonight and emotions explain. Yes statement and emotion. Okay about was to be my rotation to service chair this year. It is best for smooth transition during the stem cell time the current Church remain in place. It will delay my two year rotation as chair until next year June of 2023 and nominate Dr. Todd elf Becca to be chair for this year 2022 to the year 2023 in June. And I’d like to see sure we

0:49 promotion do I have a second I would like the second. on favor You want more recover 10. Yeah, we need to yeah, please you promise to Miss Miller in favor Ms. Lee. He’s live in time doctor in favor. Thank you for the another year to service chair what to accomplishing on our plate working for you immediately and effectively here. So thank you for that. But I think motion to nominate when he’s lived as moisture.

1:29 Of course. Yeah, that’s like to remember the second gift set tonight.

1:40 I would just say a place to like to be. by student budget and finance I think that’s so the amendment has the second that’s second. Oh this one easily. Let’s show you. My favorite doctors are Belford here and then

2:04 Forever this information and you Communications, right? So I’d like to join Miller’s Communications officer second. This way easily in favor this one in favor. Thank you.

2:35 Rates right to the next item on the agenda which May 31st.

2:50 Take emotions. The second I second.

2:56 Of this point Hazlet destroy Miller in favor. Thank you. And it’s June 15. That was the

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3:18 The connection it’s just a small. Thank you. That’s just a joyous to be good name right in the state. I’d like to say that I asked to. So just thinking that’s Mr. George.

3:38 Actually asked all you stitches. So the emotions and food was not yes as correctly and to set them up minutes. No, June 15. That’s right. second I second this line Hazlet destroy everyone in favor. Thank you. Which Andrew your covid updates? All right coming up team. So as of why the pad 1,180 cases so far in the last two weeks. We’ve had a total of 66 cases.

4:23 Shown past summers. We’ve seen some dip this we’re staying about still about an average of five four to five cases a day. So a little higher than last year at this time. We tend to Hope or really hope that case is really went off during the summer with all the outdoor activity people respect out from each other and generally see these cases go way down. So hopefully we are definitely on the downward Trends. We just would really like to see really low numbers during the summer. So we’ll see what happens with that. There are some new variants around our plenty of test kits available. We just received another at least 4,000 test kits from the state. These tests kids are going on to department heads restaurants any establishment that needs them. So any of the yacht clubs anytime anybody has any issues and then any

5:11 Resident that’s looking for them. We will pass and all through the Sea of the Council of Aging over there. They we also generally have like a pile of them outside of our office, right the assessor’s office or if there’s Since I want to call and just request them, that’s not a problem. We don’t ask any questions and we always are you know? Grateful that had you guys come in and hand these out. So we’ll continue on with that. Excuse me. You said you would like us to come in and hand them out. No, I guess people come in. We just hang out, please. Yeah, like, you know, not at all right. I’m pretty straightforward. You know, it’s really, you know, you want to be really there for the restaurants to make sure there’s no issues in the summer, but it’s great for everybody to have access. So they are I help home

5:58 test kits. They were set to expire in the June the FDA has extended those to an October. So there is a sticker right on the path and out to show this extension disorders away, but I did say That they only know how long they would last they how long they have been used. So that’s why they were extended to

6:22 At the camps. Are they available since yeah, they’re available to any of the Town camps any you know, any organization down. We also give them to the food bank the churches and trying to make sure that everybody feels safe in this comfortable with going places. The more testing we can do that really now, obviously, it’s harder and harder to get PCR testing. You can still get it. I mean we still are having about about a thousand people testing using PCR over the last two weeks. So it’s still pretty high number of PCR tests. But a lot of people are switching over the rapid home tests women throughout the testing City. You have to go online to max.gov and look at where the actual PCR tested sites. Are you still want to talk to his office still have them CBS is still going to places like

7:10 I have two questions. One we didn’t have the charts this week on the up giving those out. Nope. So I was on vacation and I’ve handed this over to Tracy. So these are gonna be dialed back reports. The state is dialing back information that’s coming to us and we’re down back information that we’re pushing. Now, if we feel that there’s a need to really show that the numbers are going to different directions. We’ll start to add the graphs back in. So do you prepare the graphics mostly you hadn’t prepared the grass so they don’t come from the Communist. No, they are not coming from the car. another thing that the case load is it’s not a true number because so many people testing at home. That’s right.

7:56 So we have obviously confirmed positive cases our PCR tests. We have probable cases. So sometimes we have people that actually make the PV at at home antigen tests and call in that’s also sometimes recorded in maybe as well. And so that’s the the probable cases. So people can call in and yeah, I mean, it’s still it still goes under the probable because we don’t can’t confirm it. The reason I just a family member quote in was told that they don’t record those so we can’t see that we can’t see the data. So like I made in There’s an actual like if you want to see your doctor’s office and they use and test the doctor’s gonna record that so that goes into me if I can’t have any proof that

8:42 some kind of test was taken. I can’t take that as data. Excuse the whole thing. So, yeah, so that’s

8:53 I just made a server and television that the rate is probably seven times. into what the case load is that people give if you feel that’s appropriate number. It’s really hard to say Obviously some of the some of the variants that we’re seeing right now are pretty strong. So there’s you know, obviously there’s always two different side So a family for can have it in their house. Um, the wife gets in the child gets it my husband and other child are totally fine enough never happens. So those are some of the Oddities to this or you know, you’re fully vaccinated you’re getting it’s a minor. Okay cool. Not a big deal some of the newer cases, you know, young adults fully vaccinating good

9:38 health are getting knocked out fevers, you know body aches and everything and they’re out for five days. So we’re seeing it all the above. It’s hard to say really what’s going on there. How many people are walking around passing on that? They don’t have any sense that they have it. I would say pretty small. Okay, because if this point we have so many tests and the thing available to us know if I have a tickle in my throat, I’m gonna test and see what’s going on. And sometimes it doesn’t always pick it up right away. So you need to know if you have if you have concerns that, you know contact always recommend he continued it that’s really basis. A lot of times it would pull up, you know, three days later five days later. It’s hard

10:25 to exactly you know, the exact science. Yeah, so some of us what I was trying to say is you say 66 cases. It could be as high as seven times there. Yeah. I don’t I don’t you know, I’m not gonna Disagree with you, but that’s that’s quite you know, so important 420 cases right now that would seem a lot and yeah. okay, I mean I just I started in television from physician, too. I couldn’t even tell you. What’s Man in the same thing, you know, we’re seeing people get in multiple times just because you’ve had this one this doesn’t in three times, unfortunately. there’s no question you simply more cases than what

11:12 That your update yet. All right, the transfer station was let’s talk about that we have. Good all just injectors yourself, please. Very private manager. My name is Michael Santos. I’m a transportation engineer with vhp. We looked at the traffic the traffic characteristics of the transfer station, except both existing and the proposal. No data, Winner Street. S before we really just entered do you want to start out or now you can get right into it. And obviously we’re really here to talk about that traffic study that was prepared by the PhD. And have their way and chooses to

11:59 but we really want to present the traffic study do the board. We’ve also posted the traffic study online under the Board of Health webpage. That’s this is fully available to I want to thank both you were coming. You should notice. It really is important to us this did you want to do a presentation or you want to go over this results or so you have this draft presentation right here? Mike you could just tell me before okay. So yeah, so I’ll use this as the presentation this just just to be clear. This is not the traffic study. This this presents some of the information that we’re

12:46 going through in our traffic setting there will be a formal traffic study submitted and as part of our contracts. So this is this is just present, you know, some of the some of our methodologies what we’ve done today and some of our conclusions, but all this is going to be formalized in a traffic study that we will we will put together. So in other words if we have questions tonight you guys yeah, so we haven’t completed the traffic study yet because there might be some comments that we might need to address that we have to incorporate into that study.

13:24 So we can go to the next slide. So just for some context this is the existing site and I don’t I don’t point there, but I’m sure that everybody here knows where the site is and what roads surround it. So the primary access for the existing site is off of Beacon Street. To it’s a two-way driveway. It provides access for all these is for the pit use and for the residential uses. There’s also to gated access off of Green Street, which is only for large trailers. So just you know a couple trips a day at the most

14:03 so pretty much all of all of the traffic today uses Beacon Street and most of you know, most of the traffic traveling to the site is coming from you know, the South or the west of West Shore Drive in Green Street, there’s up to the north and east this, you know some activity but most of the use is going to come from the south and west That’s one.

14:29 So this is just the summary of what we have done today. As it says as a formal traffic impact evaluation that we’re it’s currently underway. It will incorporate what we present tonight and you know, possibly any incorporate any comments that come about from tonight. We did do traffic counts. So we collected traffic data on Green Street. So between the driveway and Beacon Street. Over the over the course of 48 hours. So we have 48 hours worth of traffic data. No, that’s actually it’s three days. So 72 hours from Thursday to Saturday. That was done this year in May. 19th to 21st

15:16 There’s also another 72-hour traffic count. on Beacon Street, so that is just east of Green Street and period we did turning movement counts during the peak hours. So that’s seven to nine am and four to six pm that those generally coincide with the peak hours of General traffic through the area. Although I think in this case when we looked at the atrs that kind of the four to six is extends to like, you know, maybe like three o’clock to 6 pm. So we did peak hour traffic counts there also in May and we did a seven-day traffic count have to driveway so we can kind of understand. The entrances and exits into this into the site. So this is right at the transfer station gate. It’s

16:03 not picking up any of the other activity north of the site. So, you know, we have daily traffic over the course of a full week except for Sunday. I think that it’s closed on Sunday, right? Yes, so we have six days worth of data again that was done and in May we also have transfer slips from last May of 2021 where we could evaluate the level of The level of activity at the pits so we know you know, we know how much traffic is coming and going that’s the pit traffic plus the residential uses and we also have the transfers that is just related to the uses last name. So, you know we have that’s for about I think it’s two

16:51 or three weeks worth of data. Um, yeah, I think it’s two weeks worth of data from last May so we can kind of separate out the you know, the pit usage versus the overall usage. and then

17:06 as as proposed so, you know, we’re going to get this the proposed say on the following slide, but the proposal is to use green.

17:26 You know the gate. We can ask we’re gonna have to figure out what the gate situation is. Especially if People’s people arrive for it opens. I think that we talked about this that we can put a gate internal site to allow Vehicles, you know to enter the site so they don’t cause backups on Green Street. So pretty much all of the activities going to happen on site. So the new configuration as you’ll see in the next slide also provides a substantial queuing on the site. So you can see the red area here that is you know, if we place the gate kind of at the top of the red area. You can allow it’s about 750 feet.

18:13 From that point all the way back to Green Street, which is about 25 to 30 vehicles. And that’s for the residential uses and then also We’re providing additional doing on the site for the very deep just very deep into the site for the pit. Use as you can see the blue line. It’s kind of towards the top of the site and hearing is you know, very far away from Green Street where that where that blue line ends at the bottom to Green streets about 750 feet. So, That in that blue line is about I think it’s about 500 feet. So again, you know, it’s 15 to 20 vehicles. And you know just somebody asked the question. Yeah, that’s the same room. Right? It’s the end that we have currently. Yeah. Yeah, but also it is

19:00 the same with the radio the very same boat just yes. Yeah the road runs up here and at this area it starts to why now, and that’s where it splits. So, you know, this would be going back towards Beacon, you know, as we’re using it now this way so that red one could Essence could be commercial and yeah, so if you had a gate here you could have commercial and residential. Yeah, and then they would split off you’d have residential the right and Commercial good one. Yeah, so right before that Before He’ll be useful

19:37 okay and based on based on our The slips that we have from the the transfer slips that we have.

19:48 So I’ll get i’ll get into the traffic volumes and just a bit. But during during the peak hour, I believe the highest peak hour for the pit usage was between like 11 12. Vehicles that you think it’s the pit. So this you know, you can see here that that’s there’s more than enough room to stack that many vehicles if they need to be stuck. Okay question. Sure.

20:17 This that that’s not what we see here on this. It’s okay. Yeah, I’ll go through that. Like I said, I’ll get into the traffic volumes in just a bit. Okay, I’m sorry. Anyways, I think she’s driving the same question like yeah, let me say 11 people sleep good. Yeah, I’ll get for that just a bit. Okay?

20:40 Um and also the answer and the container trucks are still going to use Green Street enter and exit. So essentially Green Street is an entrance only except for the few container trucks that we’ll need to exit. They can’t circulate around to Beacon Street and the media drugs are large 18 wheeler trucks and yeah, the Beacon Street driveway will be an exit only and that the driveway off of Green Street. We measured it’s about 20 feet wide, which is, you know, obviously it’s a little narrow, but we feel that it’s wide enough to handle one white flow in and if you have the occasional container truck exiting And those you know, they can be scheduled. It’s not good, you know one or two or three a day is not going to

21:26 cause any major issues with entering and exiting traffic. You can go to the next slide. So again, this is just a review of what I just talked about what the traffic counts so we can we can go to the next slide. I discuss this one. Okay, so here’s some typically what we look at is time periods is weekdays. Yeah, we look at the critical time periods for commuter traffic, but I understand this is more than just computer traffic. So that what we’re seeing here is daily over the course of one day. The weekday am peak hour is the peak hour of the site that we saw from 10:45 to 11:45. So you

22:13 see the the enter plus exits that’s 10 trips. It’s five vehicles using the pit what I just said if you if we look through all of the pick data, so this peak hour. Yeah, there’s five a total of five vehicles using the pit. But other times during the day that are you know, not necessarily the peak of the site. They’re they’re gonna see a little bit higher but it’s you know, I I think the data was about 11 to 12. So yeah what you’re seeing here during this peak is Five For example, there could be another hour, you know. Between and I’d have to look at the detailed data in between these hours that are not shown where it’s a little bit higher. So the maximum. You know number of vehicles that you see using the pit is going to be higher than this. This is this represents the whole Peak

22:59 for the for the site and not just for the pick usage. And so the other data that he’s talking about our scale slips. So anybody goes across the scale. It’s a timestamp. It’s a time between it’s weight and time. So we not knows exactly that vehicle across the scale at this time. They don’t and then what how much material was dumps and what time they left. So when the peak vehicles are you calling up the peak time? Well because this is the peak of the entire site. So those those five vehicles are just for just for the the scale usage.

23:39 As a peek for week. Yes, we can include that all of the data. So all of this detailed data, there’s a lot of data and this is for presentation purposes. all that data in traffic study

23:56 I didn’t want to overwhelm everybody with with graphs and charts and numbers and everything. So I’m just asking for making the peak of the commercial to be yeah, my name okay. Yeah, so that yeah, the peak of the commercial is not going to coincide necessarily with the peak of the site. We know that now because we heard it from you. But yeah, I was yeah, so as you can see the entire site, so this is residential plus plus the the scales. Is you’re seeing about 11? 1100 vehicles. I think that was on a Monday fluctuates, depending on what day of the week it is. You know, I think May was a good A good time to do it. I know a lot of people come pick up

24:42 compost for their Garden. So there’s some spring activity. I understand in the fall. It might be up a little bit with yard waste. but we didn’t have an opportunity to count it and last September so you can see 1100 Vehicles is The you know the most thing you’re gonna see over the course of the weekday. And 1400 vehicles on a Saturday. So it’s it’s pretty active. And then the peak hours again. You see the enters the next so 180 during the weekday peak hour and 175 to 180 enters. During the weekday peak hours and then again on a Saturday. It’s a little bit busier about 280 cars, you know entering and then and then leaving

25:27 again. So in this is this is all based on that. I just just

25:41 alright so we can go to the and again these other Piggies traffic on a daily basis about 60 it varies between 60 to you know, 60 to 80 or so. Depending on what day you picked out was I think that 60 you just represents the average of all three days. That’s generally not. Range, so this this shows just this shows the existing traffic volumes just for some context. It’s kind of hard to visualize traffic volumes over the course of one day, you know, we’re not standing out there for 24 hours. but the in the parenthesis shows the the Saturday daily traffic volume. So what we have here is the ins and out of the site you see the 2200 and the 2800 or weekday

26:28 and Saturday at the site. And then the other two counts on Beacon Street and Green Street, you can see the traffic volumes Beacon Street during the weekday carries 7300 vehicles. In Green Street during the week. They carries 3540 vehicles. And then it’s a little bit lower on Saturday. So that that kind of you know puts the activity the daily activity on the site. Mean Streets busy and most children

26:57 while Green Street has the yeah 30. Well 35 40 and then, you know be contribute at 7300. We didn’t get counts to the West on West Shore Drive. So the next one.

27:12 Again, this is a smart traffic volumes again for some context. This is the peak hour of of the site. So this is the you know, the peak hour of the project site. We decide I think it was 11 or 10:45 to 11:45.

27:28 I’m ready to see 360 trips driveway on day 555 on a Saturday. So that’s enters and exit so you can split it by two and you’re gonna have a number of trips going to the site. And then again it shows Green Street and Beacon Street volumes. 175 510 during the weekday and then Saturday here the traffic on Beacon Street where we did the counts a lot of it is obviously oriented to the site once you go past the site, there’s really The street really Narrows down. That’s kind of more but he feel. It’s not that’s the trips history

28:16 there. Are you say?

28:29 and so yeah, we just we just talked about this this sort of this separates out the daily so you can see The 1100 and the 1400 visits those sites. So when you saw before I think was 22 and 2800 trips that enters an exits. This is just the number of visits where people are coming from. I mean you can see the vast majority of visitors to the site are you know coming from Westshore drive or Green Street with a few, you know to the East and to the North and the this is all based on that. So we did we did a turning account at the street in Westward Drive. So this is all based on those volumes. The majority of the traffic is coming from Westshore driving Green Street.

29:15 Go to the next one.

29:19 So yeah, this traffic volume will look like with the proposed of The Proposal. So this includes entrance on Green Street in exit on to Beacon Street. You can see that you know the trips on you know, the driveway over the course of the day. It’s 1100 and then on a Saturday’s 1400 using entering on the driveway and then exiting out the Beacon Street. the trip salon Green Street are going to they’re going to change a little bit mostly because we’re coming from Green Street going, you know, if you’re coming up Green Street, you’re going to site today. You’re going to go north. Take a right on to what Shore Drive and go into the site

30:05 that way. So those trips will disappear. But also that’s coming from Westshore Drive will now need to turn right onto Green Street and go into the site, but just just to be clear if you south of the site so south of the site driveway on Green Street. Traffic vines are going to be the same. That they’re not going to change there in the same for left or drive less. The Green Street. Traffic vines are not going to change that. So the only changes you’re going to see are really, you know, between the site driveway on Green Street and and West Jordan Drive and then east of green history and These driver actually that’s very gonna see that the major changes. Everything else is going to be the same.

30:50 Can you guys do the final presentation? Can you just know that in that on here that? So what you’re saying is that traffic from here south is gonna stay the same correct? And then traffic from here West that way. Yeah that way and all so to the left unless you’re right. Okay, so Yeah, sit down this way. Yeah, so this project isn’t gonna have any impact on those traffic lines. You might have, you know, you might have a handful of people that live in immediate area that Might change their pattern but that’s you know, that’s a very very small percentage. So, you know for for this purpose the traffic volume is no change. Yes the question I on this my first time ever really trying to understand the traffic study sure and when you’ve got the draft

31:38 future traffic volumes daily and comparing it to existing traffic volume daily.

31:46 There’s just a Delta that I don’t quite understand if you look at okay, this future traffic lines here. It stands to reason that you’ve got the and so on a weekday coming in Beacon Street at 11400, you know, but those are throughout but when you look over on the West Shore Drive, there’s six out of 420. Yeah, and then the what? Yeah, so It’s like six hours and 20, but the Green Street and Country. So that’s a total of 10,000, right? Yeah, I mean and existing. There’s a difference because I’m

32:31 existing. Andrew push it back to the existing. Future existing traffic study. This is That one but I’m sorry daily. Yep. that I

32:49 Okay, thank you. So that demonstrates on the West Shore Drive, 7,300 and on the Green Street 3,540, you know and those numbers are just different. So can you help me understand? There’s like 440. A difference in 440 can be existing versus future can help understand how that might have arrived. Yeah, I don’t even know. Yeah, so so for example, I think I have the I had some slides like in the back of this that actually shows these calculations to help understand a little more but it so 30% of the trips going to the

33:34 site are coming from Braintree 30% and 60% are coming from West Shore Drive and the other 10% are coming from you know, the North East so 90% are coming from Green Street in West Shore Drive. So you’re going to see some changes some Deltas, you know, where you pointed out. So 60% of the traffic is now being added. To that 35 40, right? 60% of that different traffic so it’s going to turn right. Thank you and go there but also 30% of the traffic from Green Street is being subtracted out of there. Because they’re just going to turn right into the site. So there’s

34:20 there’s going to be a Delta. So what you’re going to see is that that 30% added in West short drive and also the 10% from what we’re showing on Green Street and Beacon Street, so it’s really those will also come down there. So we’re seeing 60% added there on that Green Street plus the 5% on he can and plus the 5% on Green. So we’re adding 60% there but we’re subtracting out the 30% from Green Street. So yeah, there’s there’s it’s a the trips are being reassigned in a way and they’re kind of being recent. So yes, there’s going to be some Deltas there, because the percentage is that we use you’ll see, you know, some of the numbers I believe go up and some

35:06 I think the on a unless you’re driving people Street. They think they come down. Important because yeah.

35:17 So certainly we can go to the next one.

35:24 Make sense this again. This is the reassignment bringing us some pretends that I just gases. This is going to be around 10:30 or 10:45 in the morning. And then on Saturday, I believe it was, you know close to this around I think in the afternoon after the lunch hour, I can verify that in the earlier slide with the specific time was So again, you can see that 175 entering site Green Street during weekday and 280 on a Saturday during the peak hours. And then the same leaving well close to the same leaving the counts. The counts are going to be exactly, you know, there might be somebody that entered and

36:09 then left after the peak hour so, you know, they’re pretty close though.

36:20 and So yeah, and the conclusions.

36:28 The forms that we’re doing also the safety evaluation because that’s something we always have to look at when we do traffic studies and safety is very very important to me and to the HP into those Traffic Engineers. So, you know, we’re going to include that we’re all so looking at the actual operations of the intersections of Green Street and the driveway plus history

37:04 basically based on the traffic counts. There’s not going to be a huge additional number of trips through that intersection if they’re just going to be taking different turns. And you know, we believe that there’s that intersection can handle the additional traffic. You might have some minor recommendations for improvements there, but we don’t see that there’s going to be any need for any major capacity or terminal or signals or anything like So what’s out there right now can handle the proposed site? Again, yeah, there’s no new traffic volumes added to Beacon Street West of Green Street or on Green Tree South of the driveway. as we discussed Beacon Street will be used for egress only so you’re not going to be able to say

37:57 this no, I you know, we just you know when I was there was after right after lunch good around one clock and I did know notice that you

38:10 does go back to be extremely which you

38:20 Know he’s like that will be contained completely on site with this new proposal. Because the you know, I believe still have the gate out front that will open before, you know, before before the transfer station opens to allow people down to the site if they come early they’ll be able to stack, you know, they’re not going to be queued up at the end at the end of the driveway towards Green Street, either. They’re gonna be very internal to the site.

38:46 and the other thing that you know, we always recommend is you know, after construction and after it’s operating that you know, we do some traffic monitoring just to make sure you know what we say in the study is kind of, you know is accurate and if there’s any any major

39:09 I mean what we included what’s happening out there we’ll do is not in the back science. It’s we’re trying to predict to forecast and you know a lot of things can change. you know between now and things open, so we always recommend this with whatever project we do is to, you know, monitor the site after it’s constructed to See how things are going to see if you know, we need to make any refinements to the site operations or to you know, off-site locations and intersections. So, you know based on based on is that?

39:46 features part of the original Institute for the job. No. No, that’s that that’ll have to be addressed. Later. It’s something that we have to stresses. Yeah, I think that that’s something that you know, we can talk about that. But for what we’re doing right now, that’s not part of you know, our

40:09 Finds the draft about the the following reports that part of the original. Yeah. Yeah. So as part of our contract we have you know, we owe. Somebody our traffic study that will be done. And like I said, it’ll incorporate what we have in this presentation. Plus it’ll be you know, it’s gonna it’s hopefully it’ll read easy, but there’s gonna be a lot more technical backup to know that forms the basis of our analysis or methodology and our conclusions. so you know, I think based on based on what we I think that’s a this proposal

40:54 especially for queue storage is going to be a lot more efficient for operation have less of an impact. So they to the adjacent roadways, you know, there’s not going to be any coming back to Beacon Street. Everything can happen on site. You know that there’s plenty of hue storage up to 750 feet, which will never be that far. But there’s that’s just how much the key storage there is. now if you

41:22 just 30 vehicles. I don’t know. If I don’t know if you have any use like that in Marvel head. It’s extremely long. Okay good.

41:40 Because I was concerned about the residential and the commercial when I answered that first question. I think it would be like a candidate the commercials could go now earlier. No, they go into 7:30 and they residential stats. 8:30 is yeah, that’s I mean, that’s certainly I mean that’s up to the operator of the site. So that’s something that that can be done. I mean, I think they would even comments recommendation from you or considered. study we’ve already And dependently waiting room I I can’t just not working about that’s why it says, right. the meaning person that it’s If it’s in person, I continues.

42:26 No, right. There are a couple of things. that we have planning one is baby at the top and they know when able to kill him and also. I believe if you see the eight o’clock or 8:30, we’re gonna open for the commercial track.

42:48 That would be New Deal a conversible traction documented. They were coming late on the residential.

42:59 I mean that was Andrew’s position. I think that’s an option that the board can take a look at it’s the way in commercial traffic and that’s to be commercial traffic. Is there an earliest they tend to be there as many seconds first and then president. Yes, I mean, you know, you can take a look at either or so that you’re residential traffic is not really impacted everybody that early intensity. traffic Well, that’s Pittsburgh’s. Oh, so you would like to delay the commercials? Yeah, if that’s something that you’re concerned about. That’s what I would go after the blame. It roughly want to be sitting, you know, I had to commission for 15-20 minutes which you know, but the other thing is and obviously like when they’re chewing up we are not idling town, you know,

43:47 there’s no idling period there’s no we can’t allow it the state of Massachusetts. Yes. Can we have signature Victory signage? You know, I’m not telling you that I know but yeah at least yeah at least whatever discovered it. Yep. And if somebody’s sitting there in trucks and in front of them they can And say hey, no, I don’t call the police whatever we want to do. No, we’re certainly we can ask a traffic professional if he’s ever worked in the community where you’ve been able to successfully. Change the idling and really convince people that that’s not a good practice is it have you had any success with that? Anyway, that is

44:34 not something that I typically comes up and and any of my my jobs. I mean most of my most of my work is more analytical and operations idling is I think that’s more of a regulatory thing. But you know, the reason why we didn’t complete the study and submit it is because I want to take all of these, you know take this endless so we can incorporate it into the study if there’s any good recommendations that come out and I think that those, you know these recommendations certainly exactly

45:15 I do have a question. We we did we were looking at something something on screen when meeting began and it was

45:28 a possibility that we were looking at inviting residents to come into access road and go to the right to do their business and then to egress out Beacon Street and then racial cars. Please make trucks generally coming in Beacon Street.

45:50 Of getting weighed backing up. dumping into the pit and then getting weight again and leaving also through being Street and I was wondering this is some I’m glad to see this here because it was something I was interested to see if that’s something being modeled in terms of future possibilities yes, so we most of our what we looked at was was the other Concepts. Um this one, you know, we did that as far as we took this one was, you know, we looked at the Q storage. Like, you know, I think it’s about 120 feet. It’s about three to five vehicles depending on how big they are. But you know, this is something that we we didn’t

46:36 we didn’t look too far into this specific one as part of what we’ve done so far, so I can’t really comment too much on this specific. configuration

46:50 So that’s you know, that’s something if we need to look into this a little bit more. That’s something we can do before we exist. Is this playing different than the one that you you? Yes, so that what this plan shows here. this plan shows the the vehicles that he used the scale under Beacon Street and they’re not using green tree. So the previous the concept that we showed those Vehicles would come off with Green Street and use that driveway the residential traffic would still use Green Street that’s not going to change. But for this one the only difficult the major difference between this one and the one that you just saw is um, you know the vehicles that will need to use the

47:35 scale will enter from He can streets regime and start there because that’s a shorter. Yeah, this is I mean, I I want to look at it in more detail. But right now I you know, I think this is about like I just

47:55 Have to you know where that but that’s you know, depending on the size of the vehicle that’s gonna be about you know, three to four to five vehicles. That’s it. That’s it. So I would I would really value your opinion if you thought that it would be.

48:14 reasonable to

48:18 consider those impacts of

48:23 so we’ve got commercial vehicles just thinking and I know these numbers are not you know, fully.

48:33 You’ve got better numbers. I think turning into with respect to get used traffic volumes and so far there’s 60 and if that’s low, you know, there’s that’s a low numbers, um, 60 or more.

48:49 Vehicles that would be using the access roads. Would there be any value in considering what kind of impact that would make the job Yeah, like I said, we didn’t really look at this option too much. If this is something that you all would like to like us to look into we can certainly do that. With the biggest issue with this is that so the gates can be closed at lunch time. So thank you up to come back outside. They’re all on what’s interesting now to be good. I have a question. What would the benefit of that be? Well, I think it’s something we’ve talked about quite a bit about some of the butters that

49:34 about the access road and I was just interested to see with respect to.

49:46 their interest and potentially, you know, I think historically they had all their understanding that there was the access road would never be used and then he found out that that was not something that was

50:00 The case that that actually could be used and it would fail in Great Value to this transfer station. But I I’m part of their concern was the volume of traffic going right along that very close to those homes. So I am just still interested in and understanding fully as we proceed to make the best plan bail for the chance to station and these numbers frankly, you know, there’s 60 cars out of 1100 or you know, what is it 60 cars out of 1400 that would be Reduced yeah, so 2.05%.05%

50:45 is that would that be something that’s what brings up back but right 5% would be something in vehicles appoint. Oh, whatever but eliminate 70 cars out of 1300. It over the course of the day.

51:05 and come up with a with you

51:14 just put this little confidence in here. Which requires changing over all the buildings parking all that stuff has to get changed. I mean a design but yeah, but I mean it’s this is not fully developed right? We still have to get phase office and scale now. We have to get the cruise ship. And they have the vehicles around this then we have to get to scale. Moved into a location where this can work. the body changes that have communications with the vehicle and this is It’s the the burden of this 60 to 80 Vehicles a

52:02 day. out of 1300 or 11 is so minimal I don’t know that I’m I’m here to advise. I’m advising that. I don’t think it’s valuable. and doing that now that’s not that that’s my opinion and I have to give you my honest opinion and that’s that’s what it is. So those words you say that the original plan that’s not today is more beneficial to just have appreciation. Right and we went to do this. And make it work, and I’m not saying it remained to work. but it’s it’s a solution looking for

52:47 a problem. Why not? And there’s you know, we don’t have a lot of big trucks going up. They don’t there. There are a few. They’re very cheap. And then your studies shows that right that I mean they every vehicle there. He went back between yeah. So we as far as the transfer slips, we did look at they do provide the weights of the vehicle. So we’re able to put them into various classes. so there’s class one and two which is your typical passenger vehicle to you know, maybe as big as a You know a pickup truck or a you know, a small van that’s that’s gonna be 90 to 95 percent of the of the vehicles that

53:33 are using the scale, you know out of the 60, so you’re only going to get a you know, maybe like at the most handful or less or fewer, you know, larger trucks, you know, like like a single unit box truck or something of that size or larger. Okay, a big pickup truck is is gonna be classified as a you know, more of a passenger vehicle. But, you know, like a larger commercial vehicle using using the using scale. You’re only gonna have like a handful or fewer percentage. commercial parts of the pink up and you just like the simple pickup trucks. You see guys just driving around.

54:18 Yeah, so I think that based on that. I mean, like I said like nine over the course of the day. It’s about 90% are like that or regular positive. You also commercial trucks. Yeah, so out of that 11, you know, I have to look at it. But like I said kind of them will be difficult passenger vehicles or pickup trucks. Yeah, there are fans that will jump like it. Don’t post something. Yeah, yeah, there are larger vehicles. But like I said that’s you know, like maybe at most five to ten percent of the vehicles that use they use the pit. Yes, you would just picturing all these huge bands coming up here in the titling and making noise

55:04 and we just

55:12 those people in people that do the car repairs and things like that and

56:09 it takes the rent of it where yeah, they are impacted by people sitting there and waiting stuff like that. It’s a major inconvenience. It’s often. No, it’s still on the road, but it’s offer off the major road. So how often would you get phone call from them? Nothing because we’re all getting married neighbors. We all talk to each other on a daily.

56:33 and a lot of our customer students and be careful, so it’s really

56:42 Okay, that is very useful. To understand from the final report so that I guess if we have to talk about that as the team, but I mean if you know based on tonight, I don’t have a sense of when it’s gonna be ready. But I mean from today can probably be done in a couple weeks if there’s nothing else that we need to address. So you can always it’s not going to be it’s not going to be months. for kids Okay.

57:15 a second scale is that

57:20 What you thought my thoughts are operationally fantastic financially. What’s the definitions yeah

57:35 That’s that’s right.

57:48 Thank you for trying.

57:53 I should say also seconds for speaking and most of the areas were sent to kill the located.

58:02 Oh, well, that’s an issue. It’s a big issue. I mean, I think maybe the reason not so you got to go obviously in this certainly can’t go back. Oh, yeah, please don’t just over the cap. I think that’s right and under 50,000 sets.

58:24 And you think would be able to campus if we haven’t put locations, I mean that but you know, someone stuff would be back. It’s gonna be pretty good. You’re not a lot of areas. That’s not over the cap.

58:36 There’s still gonna have a chunk of money. Yeah, that’s the biggest butt. Yeah, that’s all. Yeah, so yeah. Yeah 150,000 conservatively here. Yeah, I think that’s probably and the existing one of me and the estimates think about that maybe a little bit more. The hardest thing is dealing with the drainage. If you’re if you’re dealing with the cap every drop of water that hits the capacity account for and I still training. So there was not entrain installed for that. You’re gonna have to install that so it doesn’t mean you’re just cutting that area of 35 by 8 to cut in and dig in. The pit it means where’s the water? That’s going

59:24 to go in there gonna come out and so you gotta deal with all that. I mean I’m asking you this is the time right? And if you say that it could possibly be a place where there isn’t you can So, I mean it’s possible that while we’re on Green Street. So there’s there’s a whole bunch of different things that come into play though. So and the entrance and Green Street, you know, you potentially put a a scaled down there the concerns about that down there would be There’s a lot of heat in that area. So we have a little bit of The Road Feeling currently so that we I know there’s ledge so you’d want to put it up on the ledge, but then you’re getting you know, how is that inner? You know, so now you’re stopping dropping down there and in front of the homes healing potentially go back because yeah, so I’m trying to keep all those operations, you know,

1:00:11 you’re trying to keep all those operations. Away from them and up in an area that can. Oh, this is time to ask them. Yes a good question.

1:00:22 So we know that but we just want to make sure we cover our bases. We’ll be a lot of eventually have a great point and you know the Arnold text. It’s an eight minor inconvenience is for you. Not for Arnold Terrace. Thank you.

1:00:44 So that Andrew also, I work at it. Mommy, please fix this you guys have an open meetings violation, right? No, not that’s not how it works. We have operating. Please thank you.

1:01:03 So right on the bottom of the agenda that any type of State Rep asking if I can do is I working it. Thank you anyway.

1:01:13 So, thank you all. and I think that will be good discussion next time we see the final report. A little more but I really decided that this I thought I was tonight very Happy Nurses attracts and the transfer station committee meeting at some point to move the ground to have our first meeting. So maybe they would be there for the second before. Or that we would have been have that meeting at that time. Is that okay to have this whole committee at the next meeting whenever they are ready to present to us? Yeah. Well, Jerry is part of the community. But yeah what we did.

1:01:57 Building inspector. We have the most Thank you. So it would be helpful to be in the same page.

1:02:10 So we can figure out when to have that meeting again as well. We can I don’t know if You Hinder was agreed to share that so yeah, I mean we can schedule that up and you know gather everybody in so that meeting you know that community’s gonna take place during the day because there’s so many Town officials and so we can’t continue to ask so many sound officials to come tonight meetings. We do a Wednesday after it’s gonna depend on no we can’t do it after five per say but when they’re still not all of us are still there Wednesday after but Answer the places are open not everybody’s still there Wednesday after five. Which is the unit it depends on it. Yeah depends on the department. But Department of information depends on what people schedules are. So we’ll push this to the full committee the full committee. In the side of the meetings. Okay, so

1:02:57 we send an email here.

1:03:01 All the time it’s not here. It’s everybody else. Okay, so, thank you.

1:03:15 really hard you yeah, yeah. well

1:03:24 I’m sure you. That’s right contacts.

1:03:31 Ellie

1:03:33 we have a who are guys our previously Stay good. I mean you.

1:03:43 So much. Thank you.

1:03:46 so we have a facility sticker rebate request for mountaineering to 2700 it’s that we need a full price stickers of 80 dollars each and he should have been 55 plus 25. but you

1:04:17 and see the emotional Lodge. Yeah, I don’t believe so. I don’t think yeah, I don’t think so. He’s yeah, okay.

1:04:33 We can take a look at that. Yes, let’s keep doing it until we know that we don’t.

1:04:44 Oh, sorry. Sorry.

1:04:48 You needed one achieve this. What you said more questions? Okay, so your director’s report pretty cool pretty quick. Obviously we have going what are quality samples that we do every Wednesday. So these are for a baby samples. We have had a couple beaches. Grease Oliver’s and gas house has had some elevated bacteria accounts. Obviously, we have the fall of protocol. If it does fail we do post it or we resample so we we are taking a look at that with some of the contributing practice could be we had so we obviously been testing these beaches for a long period of time from about 2010 to 2018. We

1:05:34 had many years of clean samples and then the last couple years we’re starting to see some worst thing. So as the water column warms up during the summer we tend to see worse water following as it goes by Government beginning the season it’s pretty good. But we have started to see some in the last couple years some poor water quality. Time, so we’re trying to look at that. Look at historical data. Yes, sir, you know prevailing wind that’s Brewing, you know material in that’s causing some musicians. It’s just a flute that for two years in a row we’ve had bad issues are very taxing time. So it’s something that we want to take a look at. And we’ll work with other departments to investigate that so that that is something that you know obviously will continue on with what are calling all through the summer and all

1:06:20 the reports and all the information is always available online. You think that? The Commonwealth could help us out with it. So the Commonwealth cannot help us out of an obviously there’s maybe some grants and stuff like that, but we would need to try to understand so obviously the Commonwealth gets all the data set to them. And you know, we’re always trying to figure out you know, what to the back to the possibly coming from as a dogs on the beach, you know, any any of those things can be contributing factor. but generally if you’re looking for a no Clear something up. Generally you’re hiring a company or or you’re working with other departments to take a look at what’s of them reasons could be. So, you know as a potential sewage getting into a local stream is it, you

1:07:06 know, something being pushed in by prevailing winds. These are some of the things that we will take a look at I storm water storm. Yeah, so all our sewages goes to scsd, but any surface Area the stormwater and I can pick up a lot of activity. Anyway, you know, there’s a variety of different things. Leech a you know Road right off manual bacteria and that can be both the Mexican mind domestic can’t contribute to some of those issues. We know even when we do to be sampling if there are birds we have to count the birds and add that to report so he gives us an idea. I mean it is very possible that you go to grab a sample and something just went to the bathroom, you know, there

1:07:52 are protocols. We’re wasting elbow deep to grab the sample. Oh, so you’re trying to be doing the same way every time well, there are birds that like to yeah, I mean grace all over speech is the popular area for Birds getting the fresh water this when I get my signs, I’m through the election that they loved the the signs to sit up. Yeah. It’s a throw.

1:08:16 You know people throw a dog weeks. Yeah, we you know, we definitely areas that have problems with no people died.

1:08:26 Um, Mrs. I would have to take a look to see what the science said at this point. Everybody should really understand that all our storm drains run to the ocean and very quickly. oh that might be a valuable Public Service Announcement if we could as the newly Add dubbed Communications officer making something I can work on. Yeah, you know figuring out ways to send out some of this communication because I feel like I’m astounded the people would do that but people have habits that maybe they’ve been doing for years and they don’t think about it. It wasn’t.

1:09:01 stencily some kind of thing was Orion. I forget what it said. Two lines three forwards and don’t drink elephant. What don’t don’t trains to Ocean. Oh, I’m not trained drains to Oceans. Yeah something and then this school was doing it remember income was doing it’s

1:09:24 If you should come and hopefully come up with some ideas. Yeah schools that went around with the stencil. whether you you know obeyed. another thing

1:09:39 it could be certainly good project. I’m in the last piece is jerem has been by Republic as following knowledge at this point it, you know Republicans of publicity company. We do not anticipate any change in service at this point. So our understanding at this point is that General will continue to operate for the next year if we’re public wants to make some changes that will set to do so afterwards. We will have a meeting with Republic representatives and the near future but it’s a pretty seamless transition. Some contract is still balance contact is still valid. So when they buy these companies they have to buy the contract. Everyone is a country. We have at least four more years with this contract. Yeah, they can not change

1:10:26 it. I think we did have a moment of gratitude. Yes.

1:10:33 So that is a really beneficial contract to the town because we do not pay for any disposal recycling that’s bigger person, which is the estimate value of 300,000.

1:10:46 So four years, we’ll see. Yeah, so well, I mean four years trash talks and recycling costume.

1:10:56 Report last items public comments anybody? Yes

1:11:03 although with May 16, Sheldon Road a member of the Town Marblehead housing production plan, which And according to the at large position by the segment and this name of it. We’re in a junction is has quite a bit in the housing production plan and therefore it’s imperative that we on how to explain no, what else is going on and then and this would be a very important discussion for people to hear.

1:11:39 Um, no, it’s not an open meeting violation, but that you won’t just went ahead with a meeting. I don’t know. I tried to click in at 7:39. I reuse four minutes late, but I did not it just continued to say waiting for those to start them. I can a lot of meetings in town School Community fair housing community discrimination the people at the table just try and try their technically. Yes, there can be technicians but they don’t start the meaningless and let’s keep track It’s gotta be somebody in the town payroll when this happens at 7:30 and it’s not working that you all can call when there’s people caring to get into the meat. I

1:12:24 don’t know what went wrong and how you announcers or something. But I know is that I for one feel that in a town related value to hear what was going on here and the In this game of going on with the meeting with something important as this when you apparently and knowledge that the technology was not working said to have this to say to you. So of course it was not an open meeting or anything but it is disdainful. I think to the time it’s thank you just so you know, it has been recording and so it makes you be having it on its website tomorrow. So it is completely accessible the day after unfortunately technical

1:13:11 difficulties do happen and we have We need to clear our agendas that yeah, you know, the hybrid thing is a new thing. We used to eat in person and never have anybody record or watch home then covid happened. And you know, we we’re doing the best we can with the new technology. That’s a new day. Of course, yes, but If you would report to the town and I think and whatever real life I want to request to somebody in time to this is pitiful that there’s nobody when something goes wrong at 7:30 that you can’t call and say this is an important topic. Um, yeah, so everybody there’s nobody to call it this time, so We’re not employee. That’s the cares two candidates. So that’s thank

1:13:59 you. Yeah, so we had somebody coming in this afternoon and set it up. I’ll make sure that we get to operate when we came back tonight, you know, I tried to log in and I can’t like I can’t open up the meeting. So like Todd said we can record it and make sure everybody’s you know can get a copy of there. Thanks for that coming. But look at how you know people may have wanted during public comment. I happen to him the flights ability to get in my car 90 seconds away from here and come and see here but having that recording is very nothing but you’re not seeing people in these shares raising their hands giving you both. Can I ask you why people aren’t choosing to come to the meanings at this point. And I have lived in in town

1:14:45 since the 1970s and I have attended. Public meeting just ever since then and it is a rare. Okay Jim, so it is just a people’s view of citizenship. I must have a little different view, but people I guess for their ability to make a public comment if they don’t get frustrated by seeing waiting for those two opening and getting the car and Put on some decent clothes and it’s not good to get on down here. Listen to the comments. I don’t know. Yeah, I mean, unfortunately I spent several hours down here today setting up making sure it could work

1:15:31 and then you know we go to start it. It’s not working. So it’s you know, Yeah, there is nobody for us to call after hours. It’s please something to explore and then you continue with the meeting. We have such an important topic instead of conceivably safe. This is too important is you sometimes have had to do and stuff was not agenda. Right? This was pretty important. So yeah, thank you anyone else. It’s and I wasn’t referring to this being an only man one Gregory Street. I’m not referring to this being an open time meeting plan. I’m saying you currently have one that you have to take classes for. So the first meeting back it’s

1:16:16 a pretty bad look and especially when you have someone in it sitting in here and I offered to help. Yeah. I mean, like I know you don’t want me touching your computer really you but this is right. This is a very important topic and you know, you should be trying to get people in the Jr. Everything like that should be talking about all the time. I mean, I I know about that stuff spoken with you. That’s going to be an override coming in a few years and we’ve seen how overrides so people should know about these and early in advance as they can. So that’s that’s not necessarily an override and obvious. It could be. Understood but we talk about that with the finance department. Finally encount. You know, that’s correct. Yeah, and that’s why we discuss with them and every year with them. Yeah right here on a meeting that’s not knowing can see they can see recording but then it’s too late. All right. So let’s I mean

1:17:04 you don’t understand right? This is you know, that’s that a lot going on there. And you know, that’s a poor comment right there saying that it’s a minor inconvenience. He doesn’t live on our own lyrics he doesn’t know those before in tears when I visited them and I don’t Joanne is that too and she probably got the same feeling I did from them. They feel like you’re lied to and that you don’t care you don’t care about what they think so like, yeah.

1:17:28 All right. Here’s my other comment is what’s the sticker policy? As far as what Transportation so residents have to have sticker to use the facility. Okay. Yeah word numbers board members. Yeah blame unless she’s there for me. On it’s a bad look. I brought it up to you said it’s in your glove box. It’s gonna want to stick it on your card has to be stuck in the drive inside I think all right.

1:17:58 All right, so we need to set our next meeting.

1:18:03 So obviously it’s true based on these people yet. Well, they’re gonna we’re gonna bring to the transfer station meeting Transportation. So that’s going to be a subscribe.

1:18:24 That would take this to September 13. We have to look at some holiday schedule. Yeah the holidays. quickly

1:18:34 so why don’t we and because you’ll be on vacation for a little bit in August as well right now. I’m just

1:18:44 why don’t we then for September 13th, which is our second Tuesday the month and we’ll talk earlier in August and see if we have you know, like around 16 or 20 third and just kind of if there’s anything new with the traffic report or anything like that. Okay. He said he’s gonna be ready and always so that’s 16th is a month from now. It’s not a couple of weeks. I don’t want to wait, you know as far as going up a bit in Brooklyn. Doing the wrong way to talk to go to talk about going out there. But alright, I don’t know how long this is gonna be here. It’s gonna be next winter and next spring and obviously we need to get through the traffic study or needs to decide which way we’re going with traffic study and then you would release the architect’s design.

1:19:30 Now obviously with that he’s gonna have to give us a schedule. so today

1:19:37 Could he needs to give us the schedule? I can’t comment on you know. I don’t think it’s gonna take him as long but I don’t know. that was Really long? Yeah, we’re at the time about that. In your opinion would be productive to meet mid-august or should we hold off and see what transfers first. I do. If we have the traffic study completed in the next couple weeks. It would be great to continue.

1:20:04 I support that. All right, so you August 16.

1:20:09 Right thinking of this. What you want to the second Tuesday? I will not be rather we AK. All right the 16th works for me.

1:20:21 please

1:20:33 so then do emotional term. Companies this morning, okay.