Board of Health: May 14, 2024

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0:02 Okay, I’ll call the meeting to order. Um, the 14th beautiful day,

0:10 um, permits that you can sign English Will do. I haven’t touched them, but that’s, so, um, on the first item on your agenda is to approve the minutes, and these are the minutes of our, um, open meeting, uh, for the, our guest facilitator Hannah Bowen from the Resolution Center in Beverly. The meeting was on March 5th, and I thought that she was terrific. She gave us a lot of good, helpful hints on conflict and communication and, um, active listening skills. So I’d like a motion to, uh, approve the minutes. I’d like to make a motion to approve the minutes. Uh, second. All those in favor, favor approve, unanimous. And, uh,

0:57 And then let you know your, um, four nine and five 14 you’ll have for your next meeting. But I’d like to get into you without at least a day or two for your Review. Thank you. So, because, um, that’s helpful.

1:13 So, um, next thing we’re gonna have some health department updates. We haven’t seen our, um, staff in a long time. We have full staff here tonight at that. But Andrew and Marty and, and Bobby and, and Tracy. So, um, let’s see. How do we, let’s go with Bobby first. She’s so prepared. We’ve gotta work. Tracy’s gonna go. I was gonna go Tracy’s who’s prepared? No, I mean, she’s prepared ‘cause she gave you something, but everybody doesn’t, I’m just reading and I’m just doing this. Andrew asked me to sort of give a summary of what I do as a public health nurse. What, you know, what’s happening now, what’s happening months from now.

1:59 So that’s what I was gonna do. Um, that’s great. That’s what we asked for. Right. So what I’ve been doing is, um, I work fully with, uh, a computer system called Maven, which is the Massachusetts Virtual Epidemiological Network. Can I just interrupt you for one minute? Sure. Can you introduce yourself and your title and Ralph per, Oh, I’m sorry. Tracy Owler. I’m a public health nurse. Thank you. I’ve been a public health nurse for 26 years. I did 14 years in Salem, city of Salem Public Health Nurse. And then 2012 I came over here and I’ve been the public health nurse here since 2012. And I neglected to say that you’ve got a wonderful award from, from Massachusetts,

2:45 uh, from Mass Associate of Public Health Nurses this month. Yes. Which is also a nursing month or nurses month. Yes. And you got an award, a lifetime achievement award and Yes. And that was an award that’s nominated every year through the Massachusetts public health nursing by my peers. So the nurses, um, vote in who they would like to receive the award. And I received letters from people. Congratulations. But you also got a beautiful plaque that I saw in your office. Yes, I was in yesterday and it’s a critic sized plaque. I didn’t read it all. It was in honor of A, A former public health nurse For former public health nurse Charlotte Stepanian. Did you know Her? I did, yes. And when she passed more special,

3:32 they decided they were name the award after her. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Alright. Sorry to interrupt you, but That’s okay. So Maven is, my main job is, um, every town has a public health nurse that receives notification of communicable diseases from residents in that town, whether it’s suspect, confirmed probable, and I follow up on the cases interview, you know, whether it be a foodborne illness or whatever the illness may be, to find out if contacts need to be, um, contacted. So that’s like the main, my main job. Um, the flu vaccine, of course we have the flu clinics, annual flu clinics for the employees

4:20 and senior clinic every year. How many vaccines did you get This year? Do you remember? Um, well, this year I just ordered 240 doses this year. So it’s on reserve for the fall. Okay. And, um, during the spring, Bobby and I do the summer camps. So we work together. We have 6, 6, 6 or seven this year. Seven this year. Yeah. Seven this year. So we’ll go to the camps. We follow the, um, regulations, the state regulations. I’ll do the medical part of the camp regulation. People do the sanitation part. And so that takes up a lot of our June and July. Right. You know, um,

5:06 and I worked with Andrew on the, um, emergency preparedness component. So we worked together to do the emergency dispensing site plans. Um, we’re, we worked on the body art regulations with the rest of the, um, Northshore community to sort of make our regulations more up to date. And we’ll, Andrew will be bringing that to you once we get them finalized. So we added a lot of things that have come down the road, like more disposable tattoo instruments. Um, the apprenticeship information needed to be updated on our plan. Um, so we’ve been working on that. One of the big pieces and changes

5:51 with tattooing is it’s called micro-pigmentation or microblading. So it’s, um, facial tattooing for cosmetic reasons. Um, and so that does fall. Yep. So that does fall under, uh, the regulations and it’s very popular now With the eyebrows or lipstick. Correct. Yeah. Yep. Um, and so we not need to make sure that we captured all that. Um, and again, um, Salem is a very big tack two location, uh, Peabody is as well. Um, but we needed to make sure that we captured the regulations, captured the new industry, and we want it to be uniform across the, you know, this area. So we don’t wanna have less regulation than Salem does. ‘cause we might have an influx of individuals doing tattooing here.

6:37 Uh, we wanted to make sure that everybody was kind of looking at it the same way. Um, so we’re using our public health excellence grant that we receive from the state to look at this as well. Um, and the idea is that we, each community, um, essentially has the exact same regulations. Now there’s, there is gonna be some variability, um, just for different reasons, but the idea is At present, we don’t even have any, uh, We do currently do not have any, um, regulations. We, we have tattooing regulations, but yeah, they’re They’re, they’re the original. Yeah. Folks 20, 30 years old. Yeah. No body art studios. There’s no body art studios in town. We do have some, um, medical, we have a medical spa in town. Um, so under the medical spa, um, working under a doctor,

7:22 you can do micro-pigmentation. Michael, If you need someone to talk someone out of it. I’m halfway so I can, I can tell you how much it hurts

7:35 More to take it off than put it on. Yeah, Yeah. Way more. Yeah. But I was, and that obviously is becoming more and more popular. Um, it’s done through laser removal. Um, and that’s just kind of where we are at this point. Yeah. And then Bobby and I work together a lot. If we have food point illness complaints from residents or others who are complaining about getting sick somewhere, then we interview them and we follow up their food history and where they ate. And if need be, Bobby and I will go to the restaurant and do a follow up with the employees to see if anyone’s sick interview the manager and Bobby will do an inspection and we complete it and send it into food protection.

8:21 What about some of the communicable diseases that you must have to follow up on those if you get follow up on And Yeah. I work, I work closely, closely, I work closely with the epidemiologist at the state. So the computer program that I’m working with Maven, they can also see the, you know, it mirrors to them too, so they can add notes and I’ll add notes and, and we work together on certain diseases. So those are listed every year in our, um, yeah, there’s about 80 diseases that I follow up on. Um, the STDs do not get reported to the tones that goes directly to the state for confidentiality purposes, but, but is that’s, is that one of the communical diseases

9:08 that follow up on, you don’t follow up on that? The state does. State Does, yeah. So the, the physicians report that directly to the state? Correct. Most of it is through the lab now. So computer generated, as soon as a lab comes, it’s positive. The computer will send it to the state lab a little bit different than years back. It prevents things from slipping through the cracks. That’s good. Yeah. So there’s not a lot of self-reporting that has to happen. Correct. Oh, good. All right. So I’m, I’m glad you came and haven’t seen you in, in a couple of years here. So I don’t think we, you’ve been here since Joan, so for everybody, are you here the last time we were here? No. No. So, um, it’s been a while.

9:54 Before we go to Bobby, does anybody have any questions for Tracy?

10:00 Well, I wanna say congratulations. Oh, thank you. To be awarded honored by your peers, I think is always a tremendous honor. Congratulations. Tracy is a tremendous nurse, you know, huge heart, always willing to help, um, and does have a lot of support of her peers. Um, she does take a lead role in our, in the northeast in this region. Um, so we are very lucky to have her. Yes. And during Covid, she was in every community. She helped out, not only did you help with places you got. Yeah, we have a great team. The nurses on the North Shore. We have a great team. We work together really well. Um, so that’s plus. Yeah. And we, we are very lucky that we do have this established relationship with these, you know, the surrounding communities. All the nurses do work really well together.

10:47 Um, so when Tracy is on vacation, we have another nurse from another community that helps out and follows Maven for all the reporting and stuff like that and follow ups and stuff like that. Um, and it’s seamless. Um, and obviously I know them all really well too. So if there is issues, I can call ‘em up rather than, you know, there’s something that we need to deal with right away. I can call Suzanne, I can call Nia from Swamp, Scott Salem. And they’re more than welcome to come in and help with any situation. Great. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think we’ll talk about the Narcan. We do the Narcan, um, kits. They’re in my office. Anyone can come in and ask, you know, for a training. I’ll do a, a training with them in private. Um, we have the NAL boxes up

11:33 in certain areas in the city. I think they’re gonna be going up more places in the future. Yeah. The school is, will be installing all of those as well. They Will, yes. School is set. Yep. Mm-Hmm. And so I check them, I’ll check them on a routine basis. Now, um, you see use, I’m sorry, you see use, well, not on the, the locks boxes, but the ones that I have in the office, yes, people do come in and ask for them. And the fentanyl strips, I will routinely check them. So I’ll go around and, and check three locations and replenish that area. Yeah. And you see those are being picked up also? Yes, definitely. The one out front, the most good one out front.

12:19 I mean, good. Is there not good? That stands up, I guess. Yeah, maybe Good is being picked up also. Yeah. And during the summer too, Tracy is the, actually, you know, the lead person for the beach samples. Yeah. Um, so she has to go through every week to all, you know, go and grab the samples and stuff like that. Yeah. And we have obviously worked together if we have to do resampling and stuff like that, but we’ll talk more about that later. Yeah. So that’s, that’s going well. Same, it’s six beaches that we do every year. Grace Oliver’s beach, unfortunately failed enough times that it’s put on a list of beaches that if it fails, once you close it and retest opposed to the other ones, you can, if it fails, you can go and retest it and send it in.

13:05 And then if it passes, you don’t have to close the beach. But the Grace Olivers, because it had so many failures, um, it, it will be on the list again in the show. Okay. Is that because that, um, that that pipe that goes out? It, it’s hard to say where the bacteria comes from. Um, you know, it, it can be coming from, obviously you have SESD, um, across the harbor. So, you know, depending on the situation, if we have a large rain event, um, sometimes if we have a large rain event, SESD can’t hold all the sewage, they do have to lease some, we do have to release some at times, but it’s in other locations. Um, there’s many factors that go into what closes a beach. Um, obviously it’s due to fecal matter, that’s what you’re testing for, um, bacteria and stuff, you know.

13:52 Um, so there’s multiple things. So it’s not necessarily just from that, uh, that culvert. Um, it can really be sheet flow off the street from dog waste. There’s so many different factors, it’s really hard to pinpoint, um, what’s going on with that. Um, grace Oliver’s has a kind of an interesting history with water quality. A lot of times with water quality, it’s all based on water temperature. So as the water becomes warmer, more bacteria can breed, the higher the colony counts, closes the beaches and stuff like that. Grace Oliver, over the last couple of years, we’ve had some issues earlier on in the season, um, June, early July. So it’s hard to say it’s at attributed to that water temperature. Um, you know, we’ve looked offshore to see if it’s coming from somewhere else. Um, is it growing analogy

14:37 or there’s things that are contributing to it? Um, again, water quality is really hard to pinpoint why we have these things. Um, you know, for water quality and bathing beaches, we’ll get further into that. Um, you know, obviously large rain events, everything off the landscape off the ground is getting washed into our, um, drains and all that stuff is being pushed out into your water. All that carries high levels of bacteria. You know, anytime you don’t pick up off your dog or your wild animals, all those contribute to those issues. And because Gray all resonating like that, it, it, it corrects. Yeah. So You, you know, de depending on, so again, depending on the tide, depending on the wind, it can be, you know, if it’s coming down from the north,

15:23 it can be pushed in there and it’s harder to escape. Um, yeah, we do have 10, you know, there’s two tides a day. We have tend to have really good flushing. Um, but sometimes things can kind of get trapped in that area. Um, we’ve seen issues where we have one week, you know, we have issues at gas house and the next, next week it’s over at Grace Oliver’s. So is it floating around in that area? What is it? It’s really hard to say. Mm-Hmm. Um, again, you’re just testing for an indicator, the, you know, a presence and stuff like that. Um, the, to take the test, obviously you’re waiting out three feet deep, you’re grabbing a sample arm, arm length in, um, it goes off to the lab. It takes 24 hours to get that result back. And those 24 hours, we have multiple tie changes.

16:08 So, you know, when I close the beach, I’m closing it based on that sample. Is it the exact same water? No, that water column and all that stuff had changed, but because of we have an issue and stuff like that, and the elevations are high enough, we have a concern. Um, people should always be mindful of large rain events and think, Hey, is it really, you know, our beaches tend to be very clean for the most part. Yes, we have Grace Oliver’s that it’s on a different tier than the rest of ‘em. You know, maybe I shouldn’t go swimming the morning after a large rain event. Maybe that’s not the best idea. Um, especially at Grace Oliver’s. But some of the other ones were, you know, Devereaux Beach. We’ve never, for the most part have issues right now. Again, I think we can be going out there and take a sample and there could be a school of fish that just swam through there and picking up bacteria,

16:55 some of that stuff as well. Um, so there’s a lot of pieces that go into it. Uh, it’s, again, it’s an indicator of, you know, the quality of the water. Um, but yes, this is something that we do beginning of June to the, kind of the middle of September, um, to try to, you know, provide information to the public so they can make the best decision about swimming in our waters. And obviously if we have issues, we will post closures. Well, thank you for Yep. And we’ll, we’ll continue to talk about that as well. So, uh, anything else before we go onto Bobby? No, I think that’s it. Well, thank you for coming. Thank you. Congratulations again. And it is, I don’t honor when your peers, uh, a voting that, that is a terrific one.

17:40 Bobby will introduce yourself and your official title and Okay. I’m Bobby Cody, I’m the health inspector. And, uh, I’m more about numbers and locations and inspections. So I maintain the data information for all inspections, including the Food Code Pro, which is my system that I go up my iPad and what I do all my inspections on. I’ll review the permit applications for all inspections, including the yearly inspections, um, in the end of the year. So whenever we gets permitted for the next year. So every time there’s an event, we’ve gone through that and permitted them. I respond to phone calls pertaining to inspections. So my inspection schedule is divided into two parts. The first half of the year is January 1st to July 31st, and then the second half is August 1st to December 31st.

18:28 So for this half you ask for what we’re doing now. So right now my inspection categories for January to July are divided into four groups. So right now I’m doing, on those months I’m doing food, I’m doing 133 inspections. These are my basic routine inspections. So my routine inspections are done twice a year. And they prepare for food, retail, residential, kitchens, schools, mobile, mobile units and houses of worships. And then I also have inspections where I do complaints and food, barn illness inspections and reports. And that’s when I’m working with Tracy. ‘cause when she gets the food barn illness, I have to go out, I have to do the flow of food. So I work with the chef and figure whatever that person ate,

19:13 everything that was on that plate. I start from when it landed at the door, I got the plate and I have to flow food and how they handled it. So I spring and summer in this period. And that is the Carnival Beach concessions. And I do the yacht clubs. I do their dining rooms and their grills, and I open them all up. So when I’m doing the yacht clubs, I’ll open up May or June midway, I do an inspection. And then I close them again in September, September, October, depending upon it. Um, I cover temporary events when they’re coming in, like the JCCs having one this weekend. So I review their applications and we issue the permits. I do the farmer’s markets. So I review all the applications with them, decide if they can come to the, to it, get their permitted,

19:59 and then I go out the first day that they’re all there. So I’m usually there the first and the second Saturdays when you have the farmer’s market. ‘cause I wanna see them in action, um, the first day that they’re at the market. So with the food, um, in this time period, I would also, any additional would be re-inspections or I have inspections for establishments that are closing or that are reopening. And if they’re, it’s a new one and they’re opening, then it involves, um, plan, plan review and inspections. So my second group is polls this summer. I have seven of them. So what I actually do is when I come in, I will review other application. I check the lifeguard and the CPO credentials, and I do a site visit. So if something’s new,

20:45 like the JCC has a splash pad this year. So we’ve been working with them a lot, figuring out what it’s like, how it involved. And we finally actually just discuss some good plans for it. So with the pools, um, I basically, and they actually, my site visits are for, I do the yacht clubs, the ends and the school pools for camps. So we do have actually seven in town that I will permit and I’ll check during the year. May I ask the question there? Do they, they all don’t have to have lifeguards though? Oh yes, they do. Do, Uh, the only one who doesn’t have to have a lifeguard is the, um, the Ho Is ha ha alite. The Alite Inn does not have a lifeguard. It’s a small one, but the, it’s different because it’s, it’s not exactly open to the public.

21:31 It’s a small inn. So there is just a captive audience of who, who is actually staying there. And it’s a very small pool, but they have all kinds of sign of, you don’t have a lifeguard. You do have to post, you don’t have a lifeguard on duty. People have to realize that. But they go through the same inspection, just not the part about the guards. The reason I ask is I had the experience that I had to have, I had a reservation there for a family member, and they had children. They, we were told they, after the day before the 4th of July, that they couldn’t go there. Oh, they, they were small. I do know guys, I mean, because I’ve, I’ve done other pools and everything where people, where it’s in stuff like that. And they usually do not have lifeguards. It’s small venues like that, but somewhere like, like the Corinthian and the Easton. And we do the, I do the tower school and the general school

22:18 because they have pools that they use for camps. So they all have lifeguards. And that’s a long process because it’s all the permitting to make sure they have their, it is usually like a a six part, um, certificate that they get for lifeguarding CPR for a state. So, and that has to be every two years or a year and a half. And then they have a certified pool operator. Everyone has to have that. So, and when I go out there, we not only do, like with when I’m doing the pool inspection, I’m inspecting everything there all around the pool. But we also test the water, check the chemical room. So, so we do the pools. So the other thing is camps. Now camps, I do work with Tracy, what the camps I do as part of the policies and the Ries. And so, and I do the actual site inspection.

23:04 So I do the grounds and Tracy does all of the medical part. So when the camps come in, um, they’ll send in a big binder with all their paperwork. So I review the applications with their binders, I’ll schedule their appointments. And then Tracy and I, so actually the nurses got it organized. They had a camp training for the directors. So the nurses organized to have the camp training where, um, someone from, um, the department, state department came out and they gave a talk and they gave, they gave a nice session. Yeah. They also revise some of their regulations. Right. So there were some new, new additions to their ranks. Right. And so, and then we just do the, the, um, site visits. So even with the camp, so, um, I go in once and we do the initial,

23:50 but that’s when they’re first opening. Then I do a reinspection while they’re in session to make sure that what they said is that, so that I can see that they have X amount of campus and yes, they have X amount of counselors, and then I’ll make my joint inspection for a complaint or if there’s any changes at camp. And the last one is complaints. So I do housing rodents, trash for food establishments, trash for residents and painters. So housing, if I get a housing complaint, right now I have one active. So I’ll go and I do a housing complaint. And that is usually if someone is having an issue where there is a problem, they tell their landlord, the landlord’s not doing it. So he’s not correcting. So I go out, if I do find a violation, then I give a corrective action order to the owner

24:35 and he has to correct it. And then I follow up. Um, rodents, um, we do have a lot of roaming complaints about people feeding wildlife. So any, any roam complaints, it’s usually followed up with a letter in an it in inspection. Um, we do get a few complaints for trash for food establishments. People don’t like how their dump their dumpsters are looking. Oh, we get trash for residents and painters. We make sure that they, uh, they have a permit because they’ll go to money for a permit if they’re gonna be, um, painting a house. So say it like sanding in a house and stuff like that. Right. So paint Sanding a house. And also I’ll go out there if someone is using, not using a what star, if they’re like cutting up, you know, stone or anything like that. And it’s causing a lot of dust. ‘cause and what will happen is,

25:21 the only time I know about any of these complaints is someone complains to me, someone calls and say, my neighbor, they’re working out there and there’s dust everywhere. And then I go out and I realize that they’re cutting stone or something and they’re not using wet sauce. So I stopped the job and the owner comes in and gets from me. What in painting, years ago we had to make some kind of a, a regulation, not some sort of regulation about tinting the house for oil-based paints when they sanded it. Are you doing that now? Um, I don’t, most of the, I think what they have to do is they have to do a lead test before they start lead Test are HEPA filter And they’re using, have to filter so they don’t have to test Just Not he to 10. If you’re using a HEPA filter. No. Right. Should we withdraw that right from It? It talks about the HEPA filters and the regulation and stuff like that. Yeah. Okay. So that’s when I go, so obviously somebody is,

26:07 if someone’s not doing it, then there’s gonna be chip paints of chip and dust in dust in the air. But if they’re using the HEPA vac, like they’re supposed to be doing this, they be gonna go through and there’s, there’s nothing going on. But they all do have to do a, a small lead test to determine if they can go ahead and they come to us for a, um, they’ll go to Bonnie for a permit. So we know that they’re working on it. So if there’s light in the paint, then, then what? So for the most part, you know, this is Marblehead. So a lot of the home homes are older, so most of these guys will just go straight, you know, the easiest thing for them to do is to use, have a vacuum. Um, so rather than creating dust, you know, there’s, you know, we live close to each other in creating dust for the, the sidewalks. All the established painters in town are using HEPA

26:52 filters and HEPA vacuums. So that prevents, you still can hand scrape and stuff like that. And as long as it’s going on to a cloth, as long as you’re falling the regulation, there’s not an issue. Um, but for the most part we see that the vacuums Thank you. Yeah. If some of them are just doing like small legs, hand scraping, they will, most of them will cover the shrubs or cover the area and, but it’s still, it just, it just depends how many of them are working at once something. There’s a lot of them. So, And then obviously the, the biggest part of our job is making sure people are reaching compliance. We’re here to help. So along with everything, so all the restaurant inspections, we wanna make sure it’s a sanitary environment. Uh, we wanna make sure that everybody working there has permits, they have serve safe, they know what they’re doing.

27:38 And if doing, conducting inspection and there’s concerns or we find something that, Hey, can you make the santi sanitizer for us? We wanna see you make this solution. If they don’t know how to do it, it’s very often be like, let us help you make sure you understand how to do this. We wanna see compliance. We’re just not trying to come down on restaurants and establishments. That doesn’t help anybody. Um, and so that, that’s really our biggest piece is that we wanna make sure that you understand what the regulations are and, and we can help you with those. We want them to be successful. We want them to be successful. The thing is, even when they renew a permit, we just don’t take an application. We make sure that their service are up to date. They’re allergists. They have to give us, they say take copies of the grease traps. That’s supposed to be year long. They tell us who the pest control company is. They tell us a lot about it.

28:24 So we know here’s all the things that we expect to find. We get out there and they all know food. Oh, they all know food cook. They have to be certified and that’s what they’re gonna go through it. And um, most of them are good. I mean, sometimes I’ll go and ask somebody, how about if we test the sanitizer? And they’ll say, do you wanna do it? I’m like, no, I know how to do it, so I’m gonna watch you do it. And, but I’ve been here a long time and unless they’re brand new to the field or that most, most of ‘em are pretty good and they, they know what to expect. I’m always a surprise. I’m never scheduled. So I just walk in and unless you’re a residential kitchen, then I have to be, I have to have an appointment. Oh, And why Does that fall under? Um, It’s Also, um, that’s just under, that’s under routines. We have residential kitchens and Texas, and they’re allowed to bake infection products.

29:11 Only Nothing is refrigeration. They get permitted just like everyone else. But I can’t just walk into their residence. I can, I can walk into a restaurant, you know, ‘cause there’s a lot of things. Lot of times even when I’m going, I’ll go in behind because part of my job is to check in the back and check the dumpsters and the areas around. So most of them, very few of them, I walk in the front door. Most of them have already checked the back and I walk in the back door. Surprise. I have Questions. Nope, No questions. I have one question about the, um, the restaurant that’s at Devereux Beach, is that opening again this year? I, it is. He’s a little slow this year opening, but he is gonna open soon. Yeah. He’s also gonna be, the JCC has a small concession stand and it seems to be a rotating vendor all the time.

29:57 He’s gonna be at the JCCs this summer too. But he is gonna open, usually the people he used to have it before always open the same day as the carnival. Mm-Hmm. So they were there for to, people knew that they were open, but, um, he has a couple of other establishments and I dunno if it’s getting help, but he is gonna open it a couple of weeks. Thank you. So he is scheduled? Yes. Great. Well Before the two of you, uh, leave the table and you can feel free to stay and listen or I think it’s, you’ve been in this building up long enough that you’d like to go home. But I’d like to, um, tell everyone that Bobby is thinking about, um, uh, retiring, uh, sometime soon. I have no idea. We’re Not gonna kick you. Happen. We’re not kicking you out. It’s at, at, at your, uh, your

30:42 I’ve been the 16 years your Timeframe. Oh goodness. I know. But, um, I’m just trying to sell my house. But, But, so it’s Your time happening, it’s Your timeframe. Yes. Well, here you are on tv. Maybe somebody wants to buy a house. Great house in Ville. I don’t see it. So, uh, It is the best advertisement you Have. I know. Yeah. So, um, maybe, we’ll, maybe we’ll get, I’ll say, I don’t know. Poor Andrew, I told quite a while ago, I’m thinking of retiring. No, we are very lucky to have these two. I mean, we have a really great team. We, we work really well together. Um, so we are very lucky to have both of them agree. Thank you. I wanna thank both of you for the times that you’ve put in and I hope you continue for a long time. You, well, You tell us.

31:28 We, we will, uh, wish you well. So thank You. Thank you. I have no idea. I didn’t know it was gonna be this high. I realized that I’m on a hill and I guess that’s my big deficit. No one wants to walk up a hill.

31:41 Well, there’s a lot of houses that you, you drive around and look at and say, I wonder, you know, how people have bought that house or this house. And they, some people have been very happy in homes that I wouldn’t even think of that they would build a house on that. This is true. It’s not that bad of a helpful, it’s Be on enough Property. It’s, it’s just a house on a hill. That’s pretty, It’s not that bad. Thank you. And thank you. Thank you. A pleasure to have you. Thank you. So,

32:14 Um, we’re going onto the transfer station update. Correct. So obviously, you know, unfortunately we’re unable to find a contractor, general contractor for the transfer station projects. I’ve been working with the architects. We’ve been went over through, so you can go to the DAM website, uh, and it gives you all the list of the DAM certified contractors in the area at Massachusetts. Um, we, we took that list, essentially scale it down. So under that list, um, it gives you the, the number or dollar amount that these companies are certified to work up to. Um, and you’ll see companies that have ranges all the way up to a billion dollars. So obviously we’re not looking for a billion dollar company. We’re essentially looking for, you know, our projects estimated around, you know, $1.52 million. So we’re looking for a company. We essentially said under $25 million, now we’re trying

33:01 to find somebody in our area. So now we’re trying to narrow that down to what we call, I’m gonna say the Northeast region. Um, so through that list we put together a list of 25 contractors, uh, kind of ranges from generally really round here, but all the way down to Canyon kind of people that fits fit that kind of criteria. Um, we went to all their websites, reviewed all the websites to make sure all the information matches the website from DKM to what we see on the screen. Um, and then we sent out letters to all these contractors. So we sent out letters to approximately 21 contractors, um, expressing the interest in our project, letting them know what it, the project is and providing a link to all the, you know, pertinent information. So essentially the link to project dog

33:47 that provides all the, the documents required for the project to bid for it. Um, once we, you know, those letters have gone out, we will give a call to all these contractors in the next couple days, try to talk to them and see if there’s any interest to come and kind of meet with us, go over the project with us and see what kind of interests there are from that, once we know that we have some interested parties and we’ve kind of answered all that, um, we will then put the project back out to bid. Um, we do have some local contractors are interested. Um, they have been provided a lot of information. Um, we, we do wanna sit down with them and provide any additional information that they have. Um, but that’s kind of the, the process that we’re following currently. Um, the hard thing is that obviously we’re kind

34:32 of running into the summer months. A lot of these contractors already have work lined up, so it’s gonna be about meeting with them, seeing what their schedule’s like, and also trying to figure out when the best time to put this project back out to bid. And so we can guarantee that we have a general contractor to start the project in a timely fashion that meets for both them and us. Um, questions about that kind of process. All I would say is how do you determine what’s the best time for both? The best time is really gonna be their availability. So they might say that I’m working on a project, it’s gonna be wrapping up towards the end of the summer. Um, and my availability will become better in September. Um, we need them to kind of signal to us

35:18 when they would be able to start some of these projects. Um, it doesn’t make sense for me to put this back out to bid. And they say, well, I, I’ll bid on this project, but then we’re gonna have to come up with a schedule and I can’t start. Which we find, as long as we have a contractor to say we would start late fall, or I can’t start till September, we’re fine with that. We just really wanna make sure that we have a contractor that’s ready to do the work. Um, for us, we’re also really busy during the summer, um, so we wanna make sure that when we’re shutting down for periods of time, we’re trying to provide the least amount of interruption for our customers as well. Well, that’s one of the answers. Yeah. Well, I can imagine though that most of the contractors have put off a lot of work in the winter

36:04 to start working and you Could. Yeah, so I mean, obviously that was the idea, is that we really wanted to have things out to bid earlier than we had. We had to wait till that, uh, DEP, um, permit. And so that kind of pushed us way out. And so unfortunately we didn’t get the project out to bid until later. Um, and I think, you know, that probably had a little bit of an effect about, uh, gathering interest from, uh, general contractors. I mean, obviously again, it, it’s easy to look backwards. It was a perfect winter to do work. Um, and, and maybe going forward, we’re gonna continue to see these winters here. Um, but again, we need to find a contra that’s interested in the job that we can sit down with and, and understand that they’re ready to kind of put their numbers on in and they can bid on this project and we can move forward. Does The, does the permit have a beginning

36:51 and end life or is it The permit from DEP? Yes, does not. No. Now DEP will check in with us to see where we are with it, obviously, you know, I think we’re more, we want the project to go as quickly as possible that fits best with within what we want and how we can serve our customers. May I ask Andrew, something we talked about, about the, um, the project as it was put out to bid. Yep. Has there been any changes to potentially simplifying That? Yeah, so that’s something that we wanna kind of look at and review. Um, and there’s two ways to kind of do that. So we will go back to the architect and see if there is any kind of value engineering that we can do. Look at those estimates maybe and see why certain areas came up a little higher than we

37:38 had anticipated and say, Hey, are there areas here that we can kinda nail down and drive down and try to reduce some of the costs there? So there’s another option. So we have been talking to, or I have been talking to an engineering firm that is gonna be interested in submitting something for the feasibility study. We, I have talked to them that they can help us in this piece as well, reviewing documents and stuff like that. There is a cost to that. Um, but they, they have expressed that they’d be willing to do that. So the cost for them to review the documents and help us get it back out debated would be as much as $9,000. Um, is that something that you want me to continue to, to look at and have them review and look at all the documents and everything? Yeah. What would you have,

38:24 Would you have to, um, agree to the $9,000 at this Point? So it’s, it’s gonna be an up to mark. Um, so that’s the maximum that we would spend on it. Um, and so we can kind of nail down in, and I can work with them to say, there’s parts that I want them to look at and there’s parts that I don’t really need them to look at. But I think it might be it. I think it’s for that amount of money. I think it’s worth to see if we can get some value out of that. Have ‘em take a look at the plans. It’s good for en another engineer to kind of look at things and say, all right, that plan is not as clear. Like, so I’m very familiar with the projects, you know, it, it’s easy for me to see it, but if a contractor looks at it, they might be like, I, I’m not exactly understanding everything or I have some concerns with this. The engineer might be able to point that out and say, Hey, you just need to add a little bit of information about this, a detail about this,

39:10 and that’s gonna bring some of your costs down. If you don’t provide that detail, they’re gonna say, well, we could be done this way, it could be done this way. And I’m gonna say it’s gonna have to be done the worst way and I’m gonna submit my, you know, my price based on that. So that nice $9,000. Yes. You know, it’s $9,000, but it could bring the project down into where we want it to be by quite a bit. So this, this, uh, person could do the feasibility study and do help you. So the feasibility study? I have not, um, yes. So he can do the feasibility study. Would that be part of the nine? No, that would not be part of the nine that he’s gonna be, gimme a separate proposal for the feasibility study and I’ll come back and talk to the board about the feasibility study and everything that’s involved in that. That’s a much for like more thorough conversation.

39:56 We wanna make sure we capture everything in that. Um, would you like a vote for the nine up To nine? Can I ask, can I ask a question? Yeah, you could. Yep. Based on the $9,000 investment to be able to present a project that would be more likely drawing competitive build bids. Is that, is that, That’s the idea. That’s the idea. And I Think it’s a second set of eyes that are, that are not ours. And as we’ve talked about some of the pieces of the project that are bigger priorities than others say just yeah. To, to really help. Um, so We, we know what the priorities are, but it, they might say, all right, you know, one of the things that’s gonna be hard is putting the scale of the new location. It’s gotta go into a scale pit.

40:41 Is it possible to precast that pit somewhere else? And can we create that working with shake concrete and then bring that into the site? Is that possible? So you could have them take a look at that and even that is gonna save us time, which is money. So by, you know, reducing the amount of construction time that allows everybody to back into using that compact and that facility, that is a cost savings for us as well. So yes, you’re, you’re, it’s a couple of different pieces. Yeah. You’re looking at the engineering this firm to look at the plans to say, all right, you can reduce construction costs, but also by reducing construction costs, you might be reducing time, which is also valuable. I’m really attracted to the, the words value engineering because I think, you know, this is a project

41:29 as time’s gone on, the costs have escalated. Right. And is there ways for someone, I know our architect has worked really hard on this project Yeah. And done a really a strong effort to keep it within budget. But if we can have, you know, some eyes that can take a look at it and think maybe looking at it differently, I think it’s always helpful to have different perspectives coming in, new eyes really to come in and say, um, what, what rock have we not, you know, turned over to see how potentially we can bring this in under at budget. Yeah. And that, and that’s gonna be the one piece that we’re gonna have to navigate, um, is so, you know, if the engineer comes up and it, it’s gonna have to go back to the architect and the architect’s gonna have to redraft some things. Or there might be, have to be some conversation about change

42:15 of scope or change, you know, for the architects. Um, so we have to be very, you know, we have to be careful with that a little bit. Um, but we can work with both the engineer and the architect to try to navigate through that. Um, so it’s, you know, obviously we can’t create a, a redesign and stuff like that. Um, but there might be some suggestions to say, Hey, even just lining up paperwork and details and stuff like that, or the way we put it out to bid the bid documents, um, making sure it’s clear, um, even just, you know, alternate one, alternate to all that stuff, making sure, you know, when people are bidding on this, they know exactly what they need. The, the filed sub bids know exactly what they’re bidding on. So maybe we can bring some of those numbers down. Um, again, like you said, it’s kind of another set of eyes on the idea is to bring the cost

43:01 of the project maybe down a little bit, but potentially also saving construction times. And, and if, um, these, this engineer that obviously, you know, we’ve been engaging with to try and explore the feasibility, the feasibility study, is this an area that this engineer has, has had some expertise working in these kind of projects in the past? Yeah, so he is a, um, he’s an engineer. He works for Healing Ward, so his experience is bore down in the Florida, um, landfill closure, stuff like that. Mm-Hmm. Um, but yes, he has a lot of experience with construction, um, putting projects out the bid. Um, so yeah. And they Transfer stations, I mean, you said landfill? Yeah, some, Yeah. More landfills and stuff like that than transfer stations. Some transfer stations. Um, but he is put a lot of projects out to bid, you know,

43:48 so he is com very familiar with project documents. Again, ours is definitely a smaller project. Um, and again, it’s just another set of eyes to make sure that we’re not missing things and just try to make everything more clear and try to capitalize on certain things. So, so This is one individual that you, you’re Talking about. So it, they are a firm, so they’re a large firm. So You’re not going to the bid to get this. No Job Is, does this, do, does this person do some of the things that a project manager would be doing, or, So it’s, he is doing some of the thing a project manager does, but again, it’s another person or a, a group of people that would be looking at it, another set of eyes, um, coming from a different point of view in a way. Um, yes, they came up, we walked the site together. Um, we did that more for the feasibility study,

44:34 but I said, can we talk about this piece here? Like, you guys are here, I have some questions, you know, I want to see, you know, what it would cost to get a second set of opinions. Um, I just wanna make sure that we’re not kind of missing anything. So would you, uh, you are looking for motion, so do you Yeah, I’ll Take a motion. So technically we could, I could go out and do this without your approval, but I wanted to make sure, you know, we’re in this together, right? Um, so I just wanna make sure that you’re, yeah. Especially your money’s being spent. I think that we need to, uh, that’s correct. Do that. So would you have to make the motion Sure. Make a motion to approve The consultant for to 9,000 up to up to 9,000. I second the motion. All those in favor? Mm-Hmm. In favor? In Favor. Yeah. So I’ll, you know, I’ll continue to talk about this.

45:19 Um, but I, you know, obviously I have another call. I talked to him today. I said I was gonna talk, bring it to the board tonight. I’ll talk to him tomorrow. Um, we’ll, and we’ll get work, obviously we’ll get working on this right away. Thank you. Um, you know, obviously I’m very busy. We’re moving to the summer too, so this does, you know, again, another set of eyes is always very Valuable. I’m glad that when he was there that you thought to ask him a few questions. Yeah, it was Just, you know, hey, you know, there’s a couple different things that, uh, we have for engineering services that we’re looking at currently for the transfer station. Um, so, you know, we’re required by mass DETP to do all the water quality testing. Um, we’re looking to, um, hire a new firm to do some of that stuff. I’m looking to hire a bigger firm, um, and want kind of a one stop shopping, um, as a, you know, kind of goes for transfer stations, landfills.

46:06 Um, we used to use Kleinfeld who could complete all these different tasks. Everything from the sampling, the reporting, the design, um, up to that. And so we, you know, we’ve currently, we’re using another company, um, but they’re a rather smaller firm. And so I can’t go to them right now to say, Hey, I need help with this. Um, and this firm we can do that with. Okay. Um, but again, yeah, they, they are putting together a proposal, um, for the feasibility study. Um, we walked the site, we talked about all the different things that we’re looking for, um, the sighting of it in the back area. Um, we want know everything, you know, what it’s gonna cost to build it, what equipment do we need, what kind of, what employees do we need to work it, uh, what’s the potential material coming in? What’s the potential revenues? We wanna see everything

46:52 so we can make the best decision on that stuff. Before we go on to Avian Flu, could you just touch upon the vote that was taken by, uh, the town on, on the veterans? Oh yeah. So the obviously, um, at town meeting, um, the town approved, the veterans, um, being awarded a sticker on an annual basis. Um, so obviously, you know, we respect that we, you know, we, if people need those stickers today, you can come and, and get that. Um, I think the easiest thing, so there’s, there’s a form, it’s called the DD two 14. Um, and so all, um, honorably discharge vets receive this. Now, I believe there’s a smaller group of older vets

47:38 that might not have that form. Obviously we’ll work with you, you know what, whatever you have come on in, we’ll, we’ll make sure we can get you situated, um, and move forward with that. The Form is stating that you’ve been a vet in honor. Yeah. Yeah. That, that, so I have not seen the DD two 14 form, but that’s what the veterans tell me. They have DD what, Two 14. Wow. Just a quick off topic, but slightly off. The swap shed is gonna have power, right? The swap shed Yes. Will have power. Yep. Okay. Steve, you can tell them. Yep. The, um, I’m 95% sure. Yeah. The idea with the swap shed is like, you know, that’s another area where potentially you should have solar panels on it. Mm-Hmm. Um, but yes, that is, um, we have in the ground already all the way over to that area.

48:28 So just before we go off, that about can, so they’re available now for people to pick up. They’re available now for people to pick up. They just Walk in and Yep. They can come right to the trailer at the transition station. They can come into the, the health department if they feel more comfortable doing that. Um, and I know the Treasurer’s office is already, um, has given some that already, Well, the treasurer’s office has them Also. Yep. And somebody has each in, each vet has to show either a DD two 14 or something else. Yeah. You know, again, it’s something that, you know, I, so for some of the vets, they have it right on the license. There’s multiple ways that they can show it to us. They know then Yeah, they, they definitely know. Um, I’m not worried about that. I think the, the big piece is that, so the,

49:13 the sticker does not count towards your household sticker. Um, so obviously the veterans receive the sticker for free, but if you want an additional sticker for your household, that would start your, so you’d have to be buying that first sticker Again. So that would be at full price. At full price, Yeah. Not the $25. Not the 25. I also wanna mention besides one with the license, you need to bring your registration. I still need to see the registration for the sticker. We’ll bring, because we’re writing your, your license number, license plate number, right on the sticker now. Mm-Hmm. Now, um, others at, if there’s certain, uh, times that people are, are having hardship, you will talk to them on a one by one basis. Yep. And, okay. So, all right. Um, thank you for, I mean, it was something

49:59 that happened a few days ago and I think it would be good to speak and, and I’m glad you did. So you wanna talk about the avian flu, Uh, avian flu. Um, so obviously there’s been a lot of discussion about the avian flu. Um, we have a, um, a link on our website currently. Um, it’s to the CDC. Um, and the great thing about this link is that we’re actually able to provide the link that updates on a regular basis. So the update that I have today was updated by the CDC May 13th. Um, and as they update information, the website will update all the information as it keeps going on. Um, so from the C-D-C-D-C, uh, the current situation summary on H five N one, um, is widespread.

50:44 And Wild birds worldwide is causing outbreaks in poultry, in US dairy cows. And one recent human case in a US dairy worker, while the current public health risk is low, CDC is watching the situation carefully and working with states to monitor people with animal exposures. CDC is using its flu surveillance system to monitor H five N one activity in people. So we would be using the Maven system, uh, to help us assist with this. If there’s things that we need to, you know, follow up and anything like that, that would all come from their doctor to us to say, you know, communication, Hey, we need you to look into this. Or if the state feels that they need to look into it, they would kind of take, be the lead on that. Um, my understanding is that the one individual, um,

51:32 the dairy worker, it was conjunctivitis that they contracted, um, so the, uh, HY nine one detection in the US dairy cattle, ongoing multi-state outbreak. Wild birds obviously are widespread poultry flocks, sporadic outbreaks, uh, mammals, sporadic infections, and people. Two cases in the US so far, um, the way they occurred, um, oh, person to person spread is none. Uh, the current public health risk is low. Uh, total reported human cases in the United States, again, is two. Uh, and that’s since, uh, 2022.

52:08 Um, the one individual falling exposure to dairy cows, um, reported on 4 1 20, 24 and one exposure fall, uh, exposure to poultry. Um, that was how the other one occurred. Um, wild Birds detective detected 9,349, um, jurisdictions with bird flu in wild birds. 50. So that’s all 50 states, essentially. Um, poultry affected, uh, 90,892,846 as of 5 13, 20 24, uh, states with poultry outbreaks. It’s 48, um, states with outbreaks in Catalyst nine. Um, dairy herds affected is 36. Um, and one of the things that I just wanna make sure that everybody understands is, so I think there’s been a lot

52:54 of talk about, you know, is there a concern about milk? Um, and Massachusetts required that all milk is pasteurized. Um, we do not allow for unpasteurized milk. Um, and at, at this point, there’s no concern about the virus being transmitted through, um, pasteurized milk. Do people have their own cows? Do they have to have it pasteurized? Technically, yes. Well, so you can consume your own cows milk without pasteurization, but you cannot sell it or give it away. They can consume it, and Yeah, you could, yeah. And contract baby and flu. Yep. Well, no. So we don’t know that. Well, we don’t know that. We do not know that yet, but they could, we, we do not know that currently. Yeah. No, no. I, I mean, you Don’t wanna put that up, but Yeah, no, we, because we don’t have any facts on that, like, so we can only give out facts that are coming straight from the CDC.

53:40 That’s right. Um, Gary, hers affected 36. Um, so obviously, you know, our concern are with backyard poultry, which we have several flocks in town. Um, mass Department of Agriculture put out a information letter. Uh, we’ve sent that to all the backyard poultry, um, permit holders in the, in the community. Um, it gives them, you know, if you have concerns about your poultry, you can contact us. You can contact the Department of Agriculture. Um, I think the bigger piece for us as a coastal community is the wild birds, um, and more really the dead wild birds. Um, so if you do see a dead bird on the beach, please do not approach it. Um, and you’re more than welcome to call the Health department and we will, um, deal with it appropriately.

54:25 Um, there is required PPE for us to wear, um, but we are obviously situated to handle that, and that, and that obviously is the biggest concern that I, that we have at this point. Have You had any birds, uh, reported? Uh, yeah, I’ve had two birds reported this time.

54:41 And obviously, you know, it’s very common to have, um, there’s other diseases affecting wild foul. Um, and so, you know, you’re always unsure of what it is, so it might not be avian bird flu, um, that affected them. There’s, you know, like, again, like I said, there’s multiple other things that have been affecting them. Um, and so, but yes, this is something that, So when you pick up a jet herd, you bag it and Yeah, we, we bag it and throw it away. Yes. But both. You don’t test it. Nope. Just Bag it. Yep. Andrew, can we ask you a question about this? Your North Shore consortium, you worked closely with a group, um, concerning covid. Yep. And you guys were really, um, tightly connected to kind of surveillance and solutions.

55:26 Is there, have you guys had meetings? Is there any, I mean, I, We have meetings all the time. Okay. Just, Just, yeah, of course. But does this, does this come up in terms of, Yeah, so we’ve talked about this recently. We do have an epi that works for us. Um, you know, she did put together a talking point. It’s all the same information from the CDC mm-Hmm. Um, we also work currently with the state on a regular basis, so we have monthly meetings with the state. Um, so we work the state veterinary, um, who’s a very, she’s been there for quite some time. Um, and so she’s providing information to us about what we should be looking at. Again, it’s all coming from the CDC, um, and so that’s kind of where we are at this point. Thank you. Yep. Well, hopefully I don’t have to worry about it any more than just being Vigilant. Correct. Again, you know, the risk is low, um, part

56:12 of the CDC, but obviously this is ongoing monitoring. Yes. Thank you so much. Yep. Uh, beach testing. Um, so obviously we’re moving into bathing beach season. Um, we have five bathing beaches in Marblehead, uh, Devereaux Beach. We use Crocker Park as the designated BA bathing Beach, gas House, grace Olivers, and Raki. We have two other areas, um, village Pier and Sunset Pier, um, which is kind of a popular area for people. There’s a dock at both locations. We often see people jumping off the dock. That’s not a designated bathing beach, but we do take samples there every other week just to take a look at the water quality and make sure that there’re no alarming issues.

56:58 Um, one does have an, what we say, an outfall pipe coming to it. Um, the other one does not, but does have a Oh, it does. They both do. Um, so both have drains that run out to the, those bodies of waters. Um, so yes, you know, contamination can always get in these areas. We test them weekly. Um, generally the day is Wednesday, which is great. We used to test ‘em on Thursday, which always caused issues for the weekends. Um, but now, so for, um, we do have two different tiered beaches. So Devereaux, frog Park, uh, gas house, and Stransky. Um, I need two failing tests back to back. Um, again, I go out, um, we go out close to high tide.

57:44 We have to wait in at least three feet, uh, elbow deep. Um, we take a sample, we make sure there’s no, what we call scum around. Um, you know, take that sample. It’s in a sterilized jar. We close the lid. We bring it back to, we have a cooler that we keep with us when we’re doing this, um, to try to keep all the temperatures correct. Um, we also do a beach survey. Um, we’re looking for birds in the water. We’re looking for trash. We’re looking for sources of pollution. Um, is there a rack line? So the rack line is the seaweed that piles up from wave action that can often carry harbor a tremendous amount of bacteria. Um, now we’re not taking samples right out of the rack line. That’s not part of the, what people are swimming in, but those are sources of pollution that are out there. Um, and again, these are indicating tests.

58:32 So if I’m taking a sample over here, it doesn’t mean it’s not safe, you know, it, it’s for that area. Um, we only take one sample of Devereux. I take it right off of the, um, right off the kind of the walkway. There’s the handicapped walkway that goes right off. Generally walk right down that walk right into the water. Um, and yes, we do a people count of a number of people in the beach at that’s in the water at that time. That’s all part of the report. Um, all the reports are count, um, are posted online. We do have a link to the state website to provide all that information. Now it takes a little bit of time for the sample, so it takes 24 hours for the sample to be run, and then it takes a little bit of time for the information to be put up.

59:18 If we have to close a beach, we have to post it. Um, there is always a posting at every public bathing beach that says what the timeline for us for the season to say. We are taking samples from, um, it’s gonna be from June 12th to September 11th. That’s the period of time that we take samples from. We do not sample outside of that. And so I cannot say that that is a perfectly clean bathing beach out outside of those periods. And again, this is a one sample a week, so if there’s a rain event, you know, look at the, what’s going on for the season and use your best judgment. Um, but yeah, that’s kind of the process. Um, if we do have to close a beach, so the two beaches that are harder to close,

1:00:03 or we always have problems with our gas house in Grace Oliver’s, the sign gets mounted on a telephone pole or the wall. As you’re walking down to those two places, we now post a, a sawhorse, like right in the middle so people see it. And so they’re not just walking past the sign and stuff like that. So as soon as we hear that it’s closed, we will go out and close the beach. Um, we tend to notify the police department that will post it on their Facebook page as well. That’s really the best way to get all the information out to the people. Um, if I go there and there are people in the water, I will tell them I am closing the beach. These are the reasons why, um, you know, I don’t order them out of the water. They can choose. But yes, I do suggest they, you know, we, we are closing the beach to be at this time.

1:00:48 You don’t have to go at the highest tide. I mean, that means you would have to, No, there’s a, there’s a time period, but yeah, it, it’s essentially, you know, it’s three hours before, three hours afterwards. Yeah. Um, if It’s four in The evening, no. So, yeah. So during, no, so yeah, so well with your tide. So yes, there’s times that we have to come in early or have to Yeah. To get samples. Um, so yeah, we, we run a different kind of schedule during the summer for, um, for beach samples and stuff For that reason. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Well, we, we’re a coastal communion and we have to take care of, you know, our citizens. And that’s an another thing that we’re doing. Correct. Um, the only other issue that we’ve had with water, water quality over the last couple years is red’s pond, um, cyana bacteria. Um, so obviously cyana bacteria is, can be a toxin.

1:01:37 Um, red’s pond is not a bathing, bathing water. Um, but we do have a lot of people that fish in there, um, in the model boat club. Um, so cyanobacteria can be poisonous. So obviously when we post there, um, I do have a gentleman that does water sampling on the cape and can identify sin and bacteria very well. And he often calls the office to say, have you seen red’s pond? Will you please go there and take a look at it? So that’s why I usually go down there and take a look, and I will post that closed. I generally will take a sample, have the state come out and take samples. Um, unfortunately with CIA and bacteria in red’s pond, there is not a lot of flushing. Um, so it stays there for longer periods of time. Now we are looking to try to provide some relief to that pond, possibly through aeration, uh,

1:02:23 maybe some other techniques. Um, so we’re looking at that currently working with, um, the drain department to look at that. And hopefully we, I think we’re looking at aeration currently. Okay. At one point they talked about removing a lot of the, the grasses and Stuff. Yeah, there’s a lot of, there’s a couple of different things that you can do to relief. Um, so obviously the bacteria is growing, um, because there’s a lot of nitrogen or a lot of nutrients in that water. Um, it’s gonna come from the waterfowl that, that are there and the fish that are there. Um, the two things that kinda bring the waterfall, there are people feeding the ducks, which is a good activity that people like to do. Um, but it’s also increasing the nutrient loading for that water body. Um, and, and the nutrient loading is adding to the cyana bacteria.

1:03:09 Now, were those fish there on their own, or is the pond star? I don’t know that. Um, it is. So fish can appear in ponds. They often get carried in by waterfowl, um, through eggs and stuff like that. So they can be naturally, um, populated. Um, I’m sure people over the years brought fish in there. There’s quite a few fish in there. Um, so obviously with the salmon bacteria in the fishing, the biggest thing is to wash your hands afterwards. Um, that’s, you know, it, it’s the ingestion of the water for both the bathing beaches and the, you know, reds pond. In the past we’ve talked about where Pond, but you don’t seem to, Yeah. So where Pond, um, I don’t get calls about where Pond, and it’s not really a public area ‘cause it’s sort of very d Yep. Yeah.

1:03:55 Yep. Um, and so, but you know, if there’s concerns about that, you know, we will always take a look at it. Uh, we have a great relationship with the state. They can provide information to us about what to do. Um, you know, they, they often come out and assist us. They came out and took a look at Red Spawn right away and said, Hey, this is what you need to do. Yeah. That is, sign them back to, you really should close that or, or at least post the sign, which we do. Well, thank you for that. Yep.

1:04:22 You wanna go on to the mosquito? Yeah. So mosquito control. Um, so Marblehead is part of the north, um, the Northeast Massachusetts, uh, mosquito control and wetland management districts. Um, so the two things are, so obviously we’re doing a lot of surveillance for mosquitoes. Uh, they take samples every week. Uh, they test mosquitoes for, uh, diseases. We’re looking at EE West Nile. Um, those are the big risks, the viruses that we’re concerned about at this point. Um, west is, is a little less of a risk, and I’ll talk to that in a little bit. Um, but as far as treatment goes for this stuff, we do treat our storm drain. So for mosquitoes, it’s standing water.

1:05:07 They can thrive in anything, a small little pot in your backyard. So really what we want people to do during these times is to walk around your backyard, make sure you have no standing water, um, you know, kitty pools, garden pots, all that stuff can contribute to mosquitoes that could be affecting all of us. The other location that we’re always concerned about is storm drains. So mosquito, uh, the Northeast mosquito controlled district does treat all our storm drains during the season. Currently the storm drains are in the process of being cleaned out. Once that process is over, we will treat all the storm drains, or they will treat all the storm drains with a ke our with a products called BTI. Um, BTI, lemme just get the informations,

1:05:53 is a natural occurring bacteria that eats the, the larvae of mosquito essentially breaks the larvae down so it cannot grow. And so it’s a natural occurring bacteria. Um, and, and that is why we we’re allowed to use it in Marblehead. We are a pesticide free community, uh, meaning that the board of health, I guess, in the park and rec have agreed to not use pesticides on town properly unless we need to for various reasons. Um, so mosquito control will do adulticiding if we had a high risk where we needed to treat, or we felt that the, the risk was so high that the presence of disease wasn’t the area that we wanted to treat. They can come in and do adulticiding.

1:06:39 It’s generally done through the air. And so we’re not driving around a spray truck like they used to do back in the days and spraying for mosquitoes. They do it at nighttime. It has to be under certain conditions and stuff like that. You often hear about this in other parts of the state, um, where they’re dealing with high populations. Um, generally for EE, um, so because we’ve had two winters in a row with not a lot of snow in Massachusetts this year will be a high triple E year for Massachusetts. Um, so there’s a lot of it that’s just tends to be the trend. The state looks at the trends, and this is just kind of falls into that. There’s other pieces that go into that. Um, but oh, we do, we tend not to have this type of mosquito around.

1:07:26 Um, it, so Triple E occurs when you have a marsh, uh, salt marsh mosquito infecting a horse, and you know, it goes on from there. Um, so obviously in this area, Ipswich, tops fields, um, Essex, those tend to be the communities around us that have those three variables that kind of collide together. Um, but we can have concerns about it. Um, we have had to, you know, push out, put out concerns about, it tends to be fall activities. So late summer, September, October, what you’re waiting for is a killing frost to kill off the mosquitoes. And the concern is nighttime activities. So your baseball games, your football games and stuff like that.

1:08:12 Um, however, again, we do the surveillance and then, then we’ll know it’s here and then we’ll bring it back to the board if we’ve ever had to do anything. Um, west Nile, so obviously we talked about West Nile. Um,

1:08:38 all right. So, um, obviously West Nile is the other one that’s very popular. What are the symptoms of West Nile? Um, the majority of people who are infected with West Nile virus, approximately 80% will have no symptoms. A smaller number of people who become infected, 20% will have symptoms such as fever, headache, body aches, nausea, vomiting, and sometimes swollen lymph glands. They may also develop a skin rash on the chest, stomach and back. Less than 1% of people infected with West Nile virus will develop severe illness. Um, the other big piece about this, most people who have been infected with West Nile virus are believed to have lifelong immunity, um, to getting it again. So again,

1:09:25 we’ve had West Nile virus in this area for quite some time. 80% of us will never know we’ve had it. The majority of us will have lifelong immunity to it. We’re less and less concerned about West Nile. However, as climate change occurs and our temperatures are rising, we will see new mosquito-borne viruses in this area, potentially dengue and some of these other ones. So that is the kind of the long-term public health, um, issues with mosquitoes questions.

1:09:57 But as things progress, if we have concerns in the committee or concerns are brought to our attention through the Northeast mosquito control, I will bring ‘em back to this board. Um, if you have areas in your backyard, um, that you are concerned about, um, you know, you have a wetland back there and you’re concerned that it’s breeding, you can call Northeast Mosquito control. They’ll come and take a look at it and offer suggestions. So they are an asset. We do pay into being a member. That’s the only way it works. And so, yeah, we, we do use them as a resource, but again, they do weekly testing as well. Well, I think your reports right, And we’ll make sure all the links are up in our website. Um, so the links go to the state website so you can see all the testing

1:10:43 and you can see that for across the state. Reports have been very thorough, and I thank you for all that. Yeah, sure. May I ask, um, to the, to give a brief update on the mental health task force? I hadn’t asked to have it on the agenda. It was okay if I, of course, I had a very brief update Yes. Because I have a couple of updates too. Okay. And I, and I had something for Andrew also, but you go ahead and then I’ll Ask him. Um, so the Marblehead Mental Health Task Force met last night, and we were supposed to have had the NAN Project come and give a presentation that has been postponed, uh, to our next meeting, which is June 3rd at 7:00 PM and that will be virtual and in person. Um, and we’re hoping that the Nan Pro, and actually we may reschedule it according

1:11:29 to when the Nan Project can join us. ‘cause we’re excited to learn their, from their presentation and then to try and, uh, implement this project into the schools, into the, into Marblehead 75 schools, um, on the North Shore already engaged with the N Project. And it’s a, uh, an organization that does a really lovely engagement of helping kids understand what it looks like, um, and what the, how, how to manage a conversation when, um, someone is suffering and with depression and potentially talking about, um, taking their life. And, um, it’s kind of something that has had a lot of success and it’s been in Marblehead before. And so we’re eager to, to try and reengage that. Um, also at our meeting, we got an update from Terry

1:12:18 McDonough, um, helped us understand what’s going on at the counseling center. And on June 22nd, they’re having a, uh, a wellness health fair at Hobbs playground at the park there, right next to the counseling center. And they’ve got lots of great activities planned, kids, like ring toss kind of things. Bean bags is what, that’s how I’m visualizing it. Like the, you know, uh, the, uh, the fun engaging ways to get kids and families. Um, It can be like a field day. A field day. Yes. That Is because, um, my daughter and I was the one that created it. Oh, perfect. Well, I’m glad that it’ll be celebrated again this year and No, No. I mean, it’s new, but we, they were trying to think of something or we were trying to think of something that would help, that would work all kids of all ages.

1:13:06 Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. ‘cause you can’t have all the athletes, you know, and then some, some of us that might not wanna partake if it’s all too, Too high. Too much Of our skill. Too high skills. So, um, a couple things that, that, um, we’re gonna have a table there. The mental health task force will have a table there, and we’re gonna be putting to pulling together some offerings for that. They’re also having a dedication. Do you have that written down? Oh, uh, Terry did mention this. Please share. They’re, they’re dedicating a garden to, uh, a young woman who passed away. And, um, she had donated most of her estate to the counseling center. So, um, yeah, Amy salts. Oh. So,

1:13:51 So, yeah. I think that’s gonna be a wonderful day. They don’t have a rain date yet, but, um, the stay tuned flower Garden and a bench. And so,

1:14:03 Um, and, and then I, I just wanna mention that, and I saw it in the paper. The Marblehead current published our, um, Marblehead Cares column, uh, just recently written by Dr. Thomas Aro. And it is an excellent piece that I’m really grateful, um, to be sharing out to the community. Um, I think, and I’m gonna misquote, but, um, the suggestion that we overprotect our kids, except we under protect our kids in the, we overprotect our kids in the world, but we under protect our kids in the virtual world. And this article, um, studied Jonathan, he’s book, the renowned book that he’s recently put out that’s, um, generating a lot of interest

1:14:50 and helping us understand how do we protect our kids in the virtual world. Just, um, some of the things that we need to understand as our world continues to change and evolve. Well, Dr. Zaro is here. Maybe he’ll come up and talk about your article. Would you like to do that? I think Joanne’s done a great job.

1:15:12 Well, I hope everyone reads it because I mean, I, I think it was really well done. Recommendations for parents, for schools, for communities, and for government. And, um, I, I think the, the network, if We’re on, uh, the video, why, why don’t you come up just for a minute.

1:15:37 Thank you. Thank you. Well, I’m, I’m a firm believer in, and the fact that we really do need to deal with this issue for our children. And so there are four sets of recommendations, one for parents that are reasonable, one for schools and communities, um, and, and one for government. And each level we need to be a little more sophisticated and a little more organized. The government one is a, is a significant one, the age in which kids can have their own phones in their own name and they can apply for apps was pretty much arbitrarily decided mostly

1:16:25 by the tech companies to be 13. And, uh, most people believe that’s one of the biggest problems. And from a public health point of view, that’s probably where we could make the most difference if we, if we said you had to be 16 in order to be able to sign up on your own for these apps. And if we held the technology firms, uh, a accountable for the age validation. Thank you. It was, that was nice to embellish what You guys are say. Yes, very much so. And not John a fine job, but how could we ignore, Right, yeah. The author. So yeah, it’s a, it’s a challenging issue.

1:17:10 So I have obviously two kids, uh, right smack and those a age groups. Um, and obviously, so the big piece, you know, when with our first one was they had a program wait until eighth grade. Okay, we, we can do this. Um, you know, all I, I can get through this, got through that. I can’t do it my second one. So yeah, it, it’s, it’s not easy. Um, I mean, everybody has a phone for various reasons and stuff like that. You know, it, you know, it’s a little computer, so it’s like, do you want to deny your, you know, somebody all this based, you know, access to all this information. Um, and then yeah, the, the idea of like, you know, being able to get apps and stuff like that. Um, we have a house phone that my daughter uses, but, you know, it, it, it’s really hard

1:17:57 to control everything. And, um, I mean, obviously we’re on it all the time. You know, it, it is a new problem that we’re, everybody is struggling with. Yeah. Um, you, you don’t have school educated. You well, you, you are the one with school kids. Yeah. When, um, a student comes into eighth grade in classroom, can they have their phone with them or they have to put it, it used to be that you’re put in a basket while in, So it’s up to the teachers in the schools. Like, so The Marblehead now, all the kids, um, don’t have, don’t have phones in, in class. It, it’s, it’s up to the teachers and stuff like that, how they regulate their grass classroom and stuff like that. Oh, you have a, oh, you have a challenge Because again, it, it is a computer. So, you know, there are teachers that say, all right, everybody take up their phone and do some research. And so that, that’s where the problem comes in.

1:18:45 It’s not, it’s not as easy as we all, you know, as we want it to be. So supposedly they, they don’t have the phone in the classroom Until they’re asked to pull it out. So asked to pull it out until they’re asked to use it as a calculator. I mean, that’s the thing. It’s, you know, when you start to get in, you know, I need a scientific calculator, all right. Get, get the app in your, on your phone. Um, you know, they’re, they’re great tools, but as we know, they, there’s some detriments To we need to protect Yeah. These young people from, I’ll buy you a copy of the book. Oh, That’d be great. I failed already. No, it’s not, It, it is a big problem. Yeah. But I think it’s worth it. And I’m very lucky my kids to be outside. So it’s like The generation that’s going through now,

1:19:32 the suicide rates are Absolutely. Yeah. And particularly for the young women, uh, depression, anxiety, bullying, um, they are, they are sexually harassed at an incredibly high level, um, um, on lives Leaders is peace in the New York Times this week about the number of, uh, very young children that are being, that are being attacked through the social media information. So we really have to do something other. Great Britain has begun to do things where, where and, and other European Union countries are looking at to it.

1:20:19 And, and we really just have to, you know, if we’re, if we really believe in public health, we have to do something to prevent this going further. That’s correct. And obviously sounds like some of your long range plans that you be doing for us. Yeah. It’s, you know, you, you still have to have those conversations with your kids and talk to them, what they’re looking at. You know, you have to be, you know, we, we are very lucky where we have, um, family dinner every night together where we get to have these conversations. Um, but I, you know, I, I’m not the norm, I don’t think. And I’m also very lucky that I have to pull my kids and be like, Hey, it’s time to do your homework. Get inside, or it’s time to go to them. You have to Yeah. Pull this in from outdoors instead of shoo them out. Yeah. So I’m very lucky with that. You’ll see my kids running around all the time. Nice.

1:21:06 It’s almost, think of the Expanded use of like, uh, yonder bags, you know, those cell phone bags, The ones that are Mag Magnet Magnet. Yeah. Yeah. That’s what most of the schools that are used, they are using them are doing. Yeah. Marblehead has not gone that far. Marblehead that as, as Helen said, there’s a, a, a box or a basket or something in the beginning of the, uh, beginning of the class and everybody puts them in. What, what Jonathan argues in the book is that, uh, you really have to, you should make this whole school day technology or phone free. Mm-Hmm. Because right now, the first thing that kids do is leave class and they end up in the hallway working on their phone.

1:21:52 The, the basis of the prob, there’s a, a Peter Gray, is it, uh, a BC professor who leaves the kids. All of this has started, um, when kids lost the ability to have free play and, and were, I mean, I think of what, what, you know, it’s hundreds of years ago, not said being totally free to leave in in the summer, go up. There was a open field, uh, a half a block away that I would play there all all day. And my mother never worried about me, knew where, where she was. Kids don’t do, do that anymore. Um, partly ‘cause the moms worried. And so that’s the other issue if we have to, um,

1:22:39 uh, we have to deal with. But, but I think that we, uh, we ought to try to let everybody, the, the article’s, the first death court at least developing a common vocabulary, let everyone understand what we’re talking about and let’s see what we can do from there. And if we, if people read it and have comments and we follow up. No. The other issue with the cell phone too is that we all thought it was gonna be a great tool to keep everybody connected. If anything, it’s made everybody more isolated. Yeah. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. I see the other pediatrician in the room nodding his head. Well, I mean, the other part of this is the old protection. Thank You, Dr. Mazar. That that’s, that’s a huge aspect because the overprotection what, what

1:23:26 what has also done is make kids very dependent and no longer, and having a much harder time making independent decisions and taking things on themselves. And so you can see how they could just work together, this and this other little tool by your side. Um, and, uh, which is, I mean, we all grew up when we weren’t, you know, when we had to go out and make our own decisions and figure out all this, we weren’t, it wasn’t coached around there. And I think that that’s a huge element here. And, um, yeah. Yeah. I mean, plus, I, I mean, I just, I honestly think that cell phones really should be checked in at the

1:24:13 beginning of the day and checked out, out at the end of at day regardless. And that whatever extra you get, you’re actually probably losing. I don’t believe that they’re that helpful. We, we even know now that writing, physically writing is better than typing, literally. So we have been taking, we’re going in the wrong directions. So I was just talking to the two, uh, staff people about that before the meeting that, that I have to write, but as opposed to, But I mean, it’s study after study shows us. I mean, that, that, you know, because it’s not just

1:25:00 that you are literally learning more and retaining more and whatnot by physically moving this thing across the page.

1:25:09 No, thank you, doctor. Yeah. I, I appreciate that. Great Report. So that, I think that was my, that was, that was the, oh, we Didn’t, uh, take your thunder, did we? Or No, I, I’m so grateful for this conversation. I think it was, um, one of the most impactful article that the task force has had the privilege and pleasure of, of submitting to the current. And I really hope that that conversation can be engaged and continue because, you know, there’s, there’s so much to that article, which I know was really hard to carve down to the size. I thought that was a big, uh, challenge, I would imagine to edit the, to make it, you know,

1:25:56 to be the appropriate size for that consumption. And, um, this data is really exciting. I mean, mean, I think this argument is compelling, and I think the more we talk about it and the more we look, seek to find ways to mitigate where this is going, it, the, the, the, um, negative outcomes that are real and present. And if we can start cutting that, cutting that down would be very valuable. Thank you for bringing it up, because we did add to a very, uh, engaging conversation. Um, you know, one thing you did not mention, I, I said after Joanne, um, we, I’m sorry that we didn’t have that on the agenda, by the way. I’m sorry. I didn’t even Submit it. So, um, you had the, uh, hazardous waste.

1:26:44 Oh, yeah. Um, so yeah, we had a very successful household hazardous waste day. Um, so it was a combined Marblehead swamp scale event. Um, we served over just over 170 cars. Um, we changed the setup. We’ve been working with Trium, vin, um, is the name of the company for the la this is the second event. Um, we set up in the yard waste area. It was much better set up. We actually had two tables, and so we were able to serve everybody. We had no, you know, essentially no issues. We could, didn’t turn anybody away. Um, we do have another event planned for the fall. Um, so the hard thing about household hazardous waste days is that there’s only two companies in Massachusetts that, that can do ‘em. We’re always trying to reach everybody in our community. Um, the next event is gonna be a Wednesday evening

1:27:31 event, if I’m corrected. Um, trying to capture the people that can never come to a Saturday event, you know, you know, I’m always working during the day, why can’t you do something at night? So we’ve kind of changed up to try to capture that, um, and work, you know, the idea is to try to have as many as four events during the year. Well, good. And The other piece of that is we’re always work, trying to work with the state mass, DEP, to establish a, a facility in the northeast area that would be open to residents year round. Um, now it’s gonna take a tremendous amount of money, unfortunately. Um, we met with a consultant recently. Um, the state had put up $250,000. We laughed at them. We see, said we need $2 million, it’s a million dollars just to build the facility.

1:28:16 And then we, we estimated it’s gonna be about a million dollars of land, um, that we need to. Wow. Yeah. Hmm. Tha tha but We, we will continue to try to work with the state to try to, um, you know, either have it privately built and somebody, you know, a company run it. Um, now we do recommend, there is a company called NEDT. Um, it’s a little bit further away. They’re open to residence all the time. Um, we do have a link on our website. Um, so if you do have hazardous waste that you’re looking to get rid of, um, due to the fact that you sold your house, you need to clear everything out. That is your best option. Where is that? Um, Western Mass? Yeah, Western mass. Um, if, I guess it would Probably be about 45 minutes to an hour From here. Yeah. Um, we’re also working with our legislator to try

1:29:03 to create some environmental, uh, regulation regulations, um, regarding takebacks. So essentially making sure that if companies produce chemicals, like, you know, so if you go to Home Depot and you’re buying oil-based paints, they’ll be required to take ‘em back if you’re not using them. Now, there is gonna be some increased costs because of that, but that’s kind of the direction that a lot of us would like to see. Um, the other piece is with, um, latex paint. So latex is non-hazardous. Um, if you dry it out, it can be thrown away in your household trash as long as it’s dry. Um, if you have a rent transfer station sticker, you can fill it up with kitty litter or bentonite clay, which is the exact same thing. Um, and you can bring that to the transfer station, and you’re allowed to get rid of four latex or acrylic. It’s the same product. Um, four cans a day. Yeah.

1:29:50 Um, we have the, um, oil, they use oil at transfer station. Um, a SPAC open. It’s under lock and key. You have to meet with the attendant. Um, we actually have an order of brand new tank, and that will be coming in in the next couple of weeks. Um, we purchased that for the land, for the new transfer station project. We’ll be installing that in the current location. Um, and once, and then we’ll be moving it out back, um, same, same size tank. It’s just a new upgraded tank. Um, a little bit more compliant. It’s got a new glass, reading glass and stuff like that. Yes. Okay. Thank you. I have one, one question that, that I have and that I just saw, and I did shoot it over to Andrew, was about, um, some of the substance abuse that we’ve been talking about. And I saw this drug story theater that I, um,

1:30:40 it’s recovering teens, and I thought that maybe it would be something that we’d like to put on the agenda for next meeting. If, um, anybody wants to look it up, drug story, then I’ll Send it out to everybody so you don’t have to even look it up. Send that out to you guys tomorrow. Okay. Because we are gonna talk about substance abuse next time. And, um, it, it, it seemed to be something that other, uh, towns are using. And Andrew said that he did know something about it. Yeah, I Wanna say it was in the paper about a month ago or two months ago. Um, it was probably either the Boston Globe or I, I might have seen it in journal, but it has moved there recently. So, um, that, that was just something new. Uh, so I think we’ll be spending, um, a, a good deal of time on, on wellness and substance abuse next time, especially

1:31:26 with Gina Hart coming. And our meeting is going to be June 4th because June 11th is, um, election day. And we, um, can’t, uh, meet on election day the following week. I think it’s the last day of school or the day before, the last day of school. So I didn’t think that was a great day to meet. We’ll have to go for ice cream that day. Yes. We can’t meet. And, um, so the next meeting is June 4th, and, um, we will be discussing substance abuse, uh, wellness, um, and Gina Hart will be here to give us her, um, this year’s, uh, uh, program that the, the questionnaire that they have at that school.

1:32:12 Youth risk survey, youth risk. That’s what I needed to hear. Thank you for your help. Um, okay. Um, with that, I’d like to, uh, ask for a meeting to adjourn, uh, the promotion to public comment. Oh, sorry. Thank you. Public comment. Anyone? No.

1:32:34 So we answered all your questions today. Well, One, what about raw milk? You know, I mean, back to, you know, uh, Well, I asked about the pasteurization if you want. I know, but raw milk Is, so, raw milk is illegal in Massachusetts, and it must be pasteurized Uhhuh.

1:32:53 Interesting. Well, okay, so because I, yeah. Excuse me, Department of Agriculture. Then the other question I have is, uh, what, uh, you said bag the, um, the dead birth, No contact the health department. No. That Bag You do. Yes. Somebody, somebody does. Yes. And they’re bagged, but they’re not tested. That’s, that is our understanding at this point. Yeah. All we know if they have avian flu, I’m, yeah, I don’t think, I’m just, I’m just, I mean, as a survey, I’m just wondering, That’s why I asked the question, because in the past we did just One does the surveillance, so yeah. The, the department of hired folks was in charge of the avian flu. So this is where it’s a little strange Flu. I did, um, two different state agencies that don’t always talk to each other.

1:33:39 Um, so it, it technically falls under the Department of Agriculture. Okay. Even though there’s a public health effect to it. Um, so we are trying to get the two agencies to work a little bit better together. Um, we first saw the notification from the Department of Agriculture. We brought that to the attention of Massachusetts Department of Public Health, so they could make comments about it. Um, but yeah, so we will be working with both agencies about how the testing would occur, do they want to come out and take samples, um, and stuff like that. I got It. I got It’s a work in process. Yeah,

1:34:18 That is right. All right. Um, now I’d like to ask for motion to adjourn. Uh, motion to Ajo. Seconded. Favor? In favor to very much everyone for.