Select Board: April 23, 2025

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0:02 Thank you. That’s so much better. Okay. Um, calling us to order a little after seven Wednesday, April 23rd, 2025. The meeting is being recorded and, um, I will just, uh, open us up with public comment. If anybody online would like to make public comment, just raise your hand. Where’s our microphone for the public? Right. Um, we’re only using the OWL system because the other mic. Yeah. Oh, okay. So, um, I guess just, um, comment and present public comment to the board there from the center aisle and just state your name and the street address for the record. Tara. Hi, Jersey Street. Hi.

0:48 Nice. Good evening. I’m here on behalf of Marblehead Municipal Employees Union and it’s dedicated employees. I feel touch discuss ongoing contract negotiations, but it’s dead in here to remind you of their obligation to the union. As the people who sign up for the town has seen fit to hire $1.4 million in new positions under the guise of reorganizes, but the second grade math student knows that two plus two still equals four. We have watched board approve these high enough paying of non-union jobs and give a huge increase to at least one individually contracted person, yet has allowed some representative bargaining team to make a mockery about good faith bargaining.

1:33 More than a year, the Mass Department of Labor Relations has issued pre complaints after finding credible information to support surface bargaining and bad faith bargaining by the board’s representative bargaining team in April, 2024. He recently filed two more complaints that have yet to be heard by the DLR rep. The MMEU was forced to request a state mandate in September, 2024, has been making every effort to show up to these meetings prepared with written counter offers and proposals. The town currently has three unresolved municipal union contracts that need to be funded by a vote town meeting, which is now just 10 days away. Again, we are here to remind you

2:18 of your legal obligation under Section seven BI of Mass General Law one 50 E, which states the employer shall submit to the appropriate legislative body with the 30 days after the date on which the agreement is executed by the parties. Our request for an appropriation necessary to fund the cost items contain therein. If the appropriate legislative body Julie rejects requests for an appropriation necessary to fund the cost items, such cost items shall be returned to the parties for further bargain. Municipal union workers may of 80% of your workforce of the town’s workforce. We take care of your children and your seniors. You make sure you get clean water, cloud streets and so much more. We’ll not be delayed, disrespected and ignored anymore.

3:07 We’ll not have our feet put to the fire to accept in unfair working conditions for our members. Can you imagine that the school committee, that the contentious negotiations enhance the superintendent without intervening? They right up the street in town after the delay. Tactics employed by this town’s bargaining team deserve and time to bargain in good faith to resolution without the threat another year without a cost of living increase. So we are asking that you comply with the law and do the job that was entrusted to you by the marketing residents. Settle these contracts or agree to call special town meeting with the contracts. Thank you for your time. Thank You. Chair Note, the, uh, attendance of many members of the union here.

3:53 Um, anybody else for public comment?

3:57 A Jordan Roosevelt. Um, I know you’re aware of Larry Martin.

4:05 The seventies over 50 years. Did a lot of access to the, uh, citizen out over the years. I’m gonna send his letter. Um, yeah, number two. Um, I’m appalled on what’s going on down the electric light

4:28 position that they created. You know, we already have a position here, but public buildings. This Logan Guy. Yeah, this, I don’t know if we have to go out and get another person. Uh, but according to the paper, there’s several positions that down there not filled.

4:45 Kids don’t understand it. At the time, people were trying to get into that place. So I don’t know. The unemployment rates been going up and up. There’s more people looking for good jobs, so I can’t understand why there’s so many vacancies down there. But, um, I think it’s appalling that an electric official that’s chairman of the board down there has been position at a substantial salary. And I guess they checked with the ethics committee now. The people on that board could be voting. We had a nationwide search or anything like that. But, and the other thing I’m a little concerned about is con cons, uh, compensation committee. I see all these new positions that the town is. Um, you know, I I saw on the paper that we’re gonna pay someone $90,000

5:32 for the transfer statement. I’m just appalled. We are a full time person in to play. We used to have 10 people collecting traction in this town that we don’t do anymore. Five trucks. So also, I don’t know how the conserva the, uh, the committee there is Ally at $90,000 to create a new position where we, where, where we can’t fund the positions that we already have. Uh, everyone wants more help, but, um, you know, the taxpayers have to pay for everything. So I think we should have a freeze on hiring new positions until we get these contracts settled. Um, in fairness, um, I want to see what the teachers, the teachers, um, they worked hard. I worked hard for this time. I worked for the state.

6:18 I retired. I get pens for attention. Um, they just passed a windfall on the social people that told paid into Social security, I’m gonna be able to collect a full boat, which they couldn’t for about 25, 30 years. A lot of people got, I know personally that left weren’t able to collect both things. Now they are so that there’s gonna be another windfall. All the town employees work hard and a lot of the town employees are making substantially less on the teachers. I do just don’t like feeling hot because the little people that work with this town get peanuts and everyone’s having a hard time surviving here. So I just don’t want to support one group. We gotta look at the whole picture. And, um, it’s gonna be interesting to see what happens.

7:03 ‘cause I have a feeling it’s gonna be like Wellesley. This will go through a town meeting and I don’t want to hear the teachers afterwards saying if we have an override and it doesn’t go through. But we can’t cut positions because it, it is, it is happened other places. You can’t have your, your, your glass of water’s full. Uh, even though town meeting may approve it, you, you’re gonna have to wait to see. But I can’t afford these big, big increases going up and up and up. And there’s a lot of older people living in town that have hard time paying the taxes. They’re not multimillionaire like these houses. Thank you. Um, okay.

7:46 Uh, so I, that will bring us to, um, the Town Administrator update. Uh, thank you. Thank You Madam Chair. Um, two updates, uh, matters that I’ve given previous updates on. Um, the first one is regard to, uh, change of voting location. So, um, as I briefed at the last meeting, uh, the issue we have at the old townhouse as a voting location is that the, um, often it’s called an elevator, but it’s actually a lift that was installed in the facility in order to make the building, uh, a DA compliant really during normal use. Uh, and the issue is, um,

8:31 the systems like 15 years old when it gets heavy use, um, the hydraulic systems in the lift overheat and it shuts it down. So we had, we had someone, at least one person I know of that was trapped in there on election day. And, and the concern is if the elevator shuts down mm-hmm and fails on election day, you have to shut the polling place down. And that just turns into a logistics nightmare as far as all the rules behind polling places inside. So, uh, as I stated, um, we won’t be able to use that as a polling place for this June. Um, the other issue is here at Abbott Hall also, this is actually an elevator, not a lift.

9:17 So it’s a full elevator. Um, and, and it was required. It needs, it needs a certain, uh, it needs maintenance, but it also needs, uh, a certain upgrade to be compliant with new state code. There was a deadline to, to do so. Um, it, it’s whatever reason it was been lingering for a long time, we’re at deadline. So we’re, we’re pressing forward to get it done. I had briefed that, um, the schedule by the vendor to, to come in and do the work was starting in June, um, which made this location not available for both, uh, place as well as 4th of July activities. So we, we reengaged with the vendor.

10:03 We’ve been working with the state on, on, on this matter. And the update is for Abbott Hall. Um, the vendor, um, basically reported to us that they do not expect to have the parts available in time to start the project based on the schedule that we originally intended was due. So given that the, the vendor is not gonna have the parts, uh, working with the vendor and with the state, that’s, that has requirement worked it out where, um, we will not start the elevator project here at Abbott Hall until after the 4th of July activities. So it makes this site available as a polling place. Um, so what we are proposing,

10:49 and we’re not voting tonight, we’ll, we’ll, uh, look at the next meeting. We, we do have to vote, we, you have to vote no later than March 21st. ‘cause that’s 20 days, uh, before the election. So we have one meeting in, in May before that time, after town meeting, before that deadline. And the proposal is, um, rather than just moving district one from down there up here to join with district two and three, the concern that creates is parking and space and all of that. So, proposal is that districts one and two would vote here at Abbott Hall mm-hmm. In districts 3, 4, 5, and six will all vote at the Marblehead High School field.

11:39 We’ve coordinated with the schools, they’re, they’re well aware. Um, there will be additional logistics planning, um, for the election day, um, at that location. But, um, that should take care of, uh, the capacity of this building as far as having those two districts and that the field house with parking, uh, creating temporary handicapped parking, um, and so forth, that, that will do delicious down there so that voters have easy access to get in and get out. So again, that’s the plan. It’s the reason, the reasons behind the decisions made. Um, and we will bring it to you at the next meeting.

12:28 Okay. We’ll, okay. I mean, it goes without saying, but this is all done in collaboration with the town clerk, correct? Yes, yes. Right Town clerks in on it. Uh, the, the schools were, were in on it. And the coordination, uh, chief Gilland was sort of the lead contact, um, because part, part of the, uh, part of the certification with the state on polling places is they have to be aada a compliant and we have to go in and produce a report. There are dimension requirements and things of that sort. So we’ve gone through that process. Uh, the field house is certified. This is an existing polling place, so we’re, we’re good here. And There’s no concern about the elevator here for that Day. No. So the elevator’s running it, it needs the maintenance,

13:13 it needs the installation of some safety equipment that’s required on the code. Okay. And the state, again, coordinating the state has given us the, the go ahead to delay, um, the work, the deadline to complete the work, um, in coordination with the vendor. So thank you. We, we solved part of our problem. We’ll work, work. The rest, the other, uh, just an update on certification free cash. We are still working certification free cash. Um, as I, as I said before, um, you know, we’re, we’re really, really dealing with, um, the old software manual systems. Um, and, um, you know,

14:01 really pressing hard to get all the transactions recorded properly and balanced out. As I’ve said, we’re good on the treasurer side as far as total accounting of the cash in the bank. So for free cash, we know the money exists. Um, and it, it’s on the accounting side to make sure that, that the accounting records match the treasurer’s record. And, and, you know, saying this in front of Alicia, who knows this a hundred times better, but the basic concept in municipal finances is that the treasurer’s office and the accounting office are a check and balance on each other. So they each do their own reconciliations and then they have to match. And it’s getting those reconciliations

14:47 and getting all the, the transactions recorded in, in the proper fashion to the satisfaction of the Department of Local services. So, um, with the help of, um, uh, CLA, um, and, uh, the folks sitting behind me have been working nonstop weekends, evenings for weeks to get this done. Uh, we will get it done. Uh, DLS said they, they know the schedule that we’re on. They are waiting for us, and, and they are ready to process on their end to get us certified before town meeting. Uh, hopefully, uh, we migrated the immune system. This time next year, uh, our processes will be a lot more automated, a lot more check and balance.

15:33 We will not have to go through this exercise again.

15:38 Okay. I understand there’s been a lot of recent work, so, uh, thanks for that, that Big poll that they are, yes. They exhausted late hours. Yep. But I, I, I, I can’t say enough for, uh, the level of effort for those two. I keep This going. That concludes my updates.

16:01 Okay. And, um, that brings us to Chief King has, um, some promotional requests we’re gonna bring forward to the board. So chief, if you just join us up here, that’d be great. And, um, yeah, let’s have our, um, candidates I promotion up. Welcome, gentlemen. Thank you.

16:28 Alright. How we got here? Alright. Um, thanks, uh, for the board to taking, um, uh, this item in quick, timely fashion. Um, so how we got here, um, my captain retired mm-hmm. About a month ago. Um, that was not something that we were able to foresee. And so, um, we promoted, uh, John Lent provisional captain. And so provisional captain is, this doesn’t exist, but we need that position. I came before you were approved that, so with the provisional captain, um, you then have an opening in a lieutenant’s position. Um, and then with the filling of a lieutenant position, you have a, uh, opening in a sergeant’s position. So operationally, we need to run with, uh, four sergeants,

17:15 four lieutenants, a captain and a chief. Um, and, uh, we are not getting that right now. And so, um, because a list exists that these two gentlemen had, um, passed and are at the top of it right now, um, civil service allows me to recommend and for you to promote, um, within that list. So we don’t have to wait. But it is a different scenario than the provisional. And so that’s why these are permanent positions, um, because we’re competent that the provisional captain position will be built in early January, which will then domino effect into a lieutenant and a sergeant who you’re looking at today. Right? So, um, that’s just a little bit of the process why we’re here. Um, and I, you know, these are ex these are great days for the departments.

18:03 Um, they’re great days for me. Um, I would imagine they’re exponentially greater for both of these guys here. Um, because, um, being promoted, um, is such, uh, it’s, it takes so much hard work, it takes so much dedication, it takes some timing, um, but it takes commitment to go to the next level of supervisor, right? So, um, Eric has already gone through that level. He’s been, I’ll go a little bit into his past background as a lieutenant. And then Andrew comes in as, um, a nine year veteran that’s coming into a position, um, of becoming a supervisor, which arguably is probably is one of the hardest roles to come up through a department or patrolman into a supervisor position. Um, and so just a little bit about both

18:48 of them without going through the full list. Um, both Eric and Andrew, um, grew up in Marblehead. Um, both are college, college, um, graduates. Um, Andrew from Roger Williams, or from WPI, um, both have, um, shown a commitment to other things that you do on the job than just traditional duties. Um, and I, I will say that as far as, um, um, Eric goes and the lieutenant position, it’s really perfect timing. Um, probably a little bit overdue if you were to ask him. Um, but, but, but perfect timing in that you have 11 years as a sergeant. You are a supervisor that has seen, um, literally everything

19:35 in the smaller town like Marblehead, the sergeants and lieutenants, uh, quite frankly, see things and, and often manage things together. Um, and so I think that this is a, a great opportunity for him to go to that next level. And then a little bit of my experience with him, which makes me, um, confident in, in making this recommendation as he’s a leader, um, makes decisions and is that are sound and he is willing to defend. And he knows that, um, in a time of crisis, the worst thing you can do is not make a decision. Right? And so when, when I am looking at, and, and Eric’s had some serious incidents since I’ve been here, um, his actions in the Call of duty, uh, as a supervisor, um, or exemplary, there’s, there, there are always sound.

20:22 Um, and, you know, he is willing to go above and beyond. Um, and that’s really, really important. He happens to be a technology wizard, so looking at it, um, and so we say that jokingly, but many times I come in here and tell you that the officers and the, uh, the personnel were wear many hats. Eric literally is the IT admin or IT person in the department that works with, um, the IT throughout the town and has been really instrumental on some high level things to make sure that our systems are working, that it’s, it’s such a big deal. It’s hard to explain how, how fortunate we are to have that, and that he has, um, you know, been able to achieve that.

21:07 Uh, while also doing all the supervisor stuff. He has a lot of other great credentials. He’s a, he’s a big boat guy. Um, he’s a captain that’s certified. Um, and when we talked about, um, some of the other specific stuff, everything from the honor guard to the bike unit to the informal FDO program that Marblehead has had throughout the years, um, a really big deal, right? So things that, that show me that he’s committed not just to coming in and doing the minimum, but he’s willing to do more. And he has done it, um, super committed to the community and town as a coach, uh, his family, he is, uh, he is incredibly committed to his family, incredibly committed to it, um, his temple. And, um, he just is, uh, somebody that is, is deserving of this lieutenant position.

21:53 And the, the process has revealed that. And so I’m glad to be able to forward him and, uh, recommend him into the promotion of a full-time lieutenant. And so Andrew, um, is also, um, somebody that since I’ve been, uh, with the police department in Marblehead, has, um, grown, I think with me and my position and him as an officer, because some of those years that you’re coming into your fourth and fifth year and you’re, you think you get it and then you realize there’s another level that you really have to get. I’ve watched Andrew do that. Um, he might not agree. I don’t even know if he agrees with me, but, but I’m gonna tell you, I’ve seen it in the work and I’ve seen it in a way that, um, he might, um, you might say that, uh, he’s very interested in, um,

22:44 being a, a, an officer that is interested in the law, a motor vehicle, you know, making sure that our safes are street by holding people accountable, right? Those are all the things that we want to do, but he’s also the person that is willing to lend a hand to another officer in need. And he does that as an FTO. He’s our, one of our formal FTOs. So he trains all of the officers that I’ve had since I’ve started here coming on. Uh, he does great work with it and I trust him in a position and it’s a very difficult position. Um, and so, um, there are again things that you see as a development as a chief and an officer. And when you’re in that year nine and year 10, um, you are ready to become a supervisor, right? And, um, he’s absolutely, um, ready to do that. And, uh, I I, I say without hesitation, um, both of, um,

23:30 these guys are on and have been part of the drone unit that we established last year mm-hmm. And have done phenomenal work with that. And I, I, I mean, like really taken their technology skillset that they have and gone to another level. They’re both F-C-C-F-C-C 1 0 7, you know, pilots as, as far as being able to operate the drones. Um, but really, really above and beyond. And, um, so I I, I took a little time to give you some, some background of the two individuals that are well deserving of this. Um, they’re representative of police department that I’m, you know, I’m, I’m fortunate to be part of, um, and they, they do represent the best and I, I couldn’t be happier to put them forward and I think, um, Andrew’s family for being here. And, um, so one of the things, and, and,

24:15 and Eric is actually working right now, and so he’s my supervisor, so he put a pause in emergencies. Uh, but, um, I will come back to you probably mid or late June that we do, or sometime this summer where we do, like right before your meeting, we’ll do a formal promotion ceremony. And I have a couple officers that I wanna swear in. So, great. This is a little bit more of your, your select board authority to make the approval, but I do want to have an actual, you know, kind of promotion ceremony that we’ve done in the past. But, um, yeah, that’s what I’m presenting to you, that both of these be promoted to, um, both of these guys be promoted to the positions as outlined. If you had any questions for them, they’d be willing to. So thank you. It was such a thorough, um, review of their apparently exemplary, uh, characteristics

25:01 and professional backgrounds and readiness for the promotions. Um, um, I’ll open it to the board. I would just say, chief, once again, thank you very much for, uh, going into, into, uh, lengthy detail of the qualification. It gives us a real appreciation for the talent that we have on the police force and how you’re, you know, you’re nurturing that talent and, uh, it’s wonderful to see the next level of leadership stepping forward. So thank you. Thank you for that. And congratulations to both of you. You Yeah. And just thank you for serving Town Marblehead. You’re now in it for two decades, right? And coming on a decade. Don’t, Um, you know, thank you for your ongoing service and, um, you know, we’re, we’re happy

25:46 to be here to vote for you. Thank you. Um, thank you. Okay. So I need a motion on recommendation of Chief Paint remote, Erica Statin for the rank of lieutenant effective May 4th, 2025. So moved. Okay. All those in favor? Aye. Okay. Um, and then I need a motion on recommendation of Chief King to promote Andrew DeMar to the rank of sergeant effective May 4th, 2025. So moved. Okay. All those in favor? Okay. So three, Right? Thank you very much. Thank you.

26:32 Now get back to work. Okay. Yeah. Nice. Nice. That was like 30 Seconds.

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29:34 you want, you want on the no need of any

30:10 Yeah, actually it might be a vendor named, actually Jackson, there’s, which item is this? State? What number are you on? Uh,

30:25 Alright, I’ll ask. Okay, we ready? Come check. Um, respond to number four on our agenda item, which is a licensing request of Rich Sha of Marblehead for automatic amusement device. Chris Patel, are you online? Yes. Okay. So we’ll ask you to unmute or help you unmute. Can you me now? Yep, I can hear you. Okay, Go ahead Chris. Um, we have your, we have a, um, your formal request. I think that just curiosity around, um, what, what is the actual machine? Is it a gaming machine? Okay, so yeah, this is just, um, uh, the machine, uh,

31:12 the key master machine that which you can find, um, arcade for the kids. Okay. Oh, was it making keys? It’s, it is the make keys I think, right? Yeah. The key master machine. It’s called uh, Amusement Device. Oh, what is it? Key Master. I don’t know What Key master, but I dunno. Key master is, what is that? So You can find, yeah, you can find in arcade. Um, it’s like, okay. Yeah. When the kids put their machine and they can win the price like iPad or, or some kind of price. Okay. Alright, Great. Thank you. Anyone else have any questions? No, it just sounds like they’re, uh, yeah, yeah.

31:54 Sounds good. Very good. Oh, it’s the, we put it in and you try to like, I see it goes in and it is like the key master that you put the key right off.

32:08 Okay. Um, so we need a motion to approve, uh, the request for bridge shield with Marble had of 29th fifth Street for an automatic amusement device at solid master model number 35 16. Serial number 1 3 0 4 0 1 6 4. So moved. Okay. All in favor? Okay. Unanimous. Good luck. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. And, um, now we will proceed to our, um, financing director, uh, and our treasurer Tammy Ello for, um, bond anticipation note review and, um, Vote. Hello. Good Evening. Sorry for the math. I don’t feel well. I don’t wanna stretch my germs. Thank

32:54 You. Thank you.

32:58 Been working long. All right. So, um, last year we did a ban for one year. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Uh, currently, so we refinanced that one went out, we’re, yeah, rolling it. That’s it. Sorry. No. Um, with that and some new borrowings for the next year too. So, uh, we did have four bids. One successful, uh, at a rate of 4% total amount. Um, of the rollover was 2,000,003 12, uh, total new money we had was 2 million 6, 10, 5 98. Those refer items, uh, roadway and sidewalk repair, then Mary Alley roof replacement

33:45 and the Franklin Street fire station roof and gutter replacement Was the road and sidewalk. Yeah. Uh, so, So the, the bans are because the bond hasn’t been yet. Correct. And I’m just wondering why it, you know, you, I mean, there’s lots of reasons why. So what I do is I go buy cash flow statements. So I meet with Amy based on what she’s gonna do for paving, and then I borrow based on that. So right now we’re on a one year schedule. She needs to $2 million to get through next year, then we meet again next year. And if her needs are bigger, then I’m probably gonna do a larger bond next year. But the, for the first two years, the needs Were Oh, so these are not in, are they, they’re in anticipation though of a, of a that exclusion Yes. Of, of a long-term bond, correct. Coming in. Correct.

34:33 So I guess my question is why, why is the, the, the bond itself and Yes, it hasn’t come in yet. Yes. Um, we don’t bond long term unless I feel like we’re going to use the majority of the funds. I see. We don’t want the money just sitting there not being used. So I do a cash flow with the different managers And annual evaluate, which is the better strategy To go back. And then I’ll borrow long time, which I know that they’re gonna use the majority Of that one total. And both of these are you, we were talking earlier, they’re, they’re balloon they’re balloon payments. Right. So we’re not actually, it’s not hitting the tax rate. So the next Year, total year, next year. Although, so just to clarify as well, so we’re actually just so we going, so you’re not increasing bill, you’re borrowing by, you’re increasing your borrowing by about 2.6, correct?

35:19 Right. You already had 2.3 I would say. Right. So it’s actually, and we’re in that Be added 2.6 so’s 1.9, 2.6 more above. Right. So any impact on taxes, I think to get would be the following year. But on the 2.6, not on the whole 4.9. Right. ‘cause that would already be captured, correct. Am I I I’m stating that right? Yes. Yep. That makes sense. Get paid gets so, so it says, does the rollover include, doesn’t include a, a payment of a balloon payment just gets, gets pushed off into the only thing you pay is the short term interest when it’s due in the year. I see. Yeah. So we don’t roll that over. We pay that at that one time. We pay that short term interest. Okay. We’re not rolling it into bank. Not the interest. This is us trying to understand. No, that’s okay. No, I’m just curious. We yeah, we just wondering why it impacts the tax.

36:06 Yeah. Pandemic et So this minimum, it’s 2.6, right?

36:13 You Okay? Is there anything else you wanted to add or, That’s what I got. Um, you got a premium on the van, We did get a premium on the van. Could be, what did I have the amount of 25,008. 92 86. And that will be used to offset the issuance costs, right? If there’s any remainder that Goes against Interest costs call. Great. Good work. Awesome. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Okay, so, um, I think, so we have, um, an initial vote and then a request for 1, 2, 4, um, for further vote. I think I’ll take them all as one. Unless anybody wants to full or no, you separate.

36:58 Okay. According to, Okay. That’s under rules. Okay. Um, all right. So we need a motion to approve the sale of four million nine hundred twenty two million five hundred ninety eight dollars of general obligation bond anticipation notes of the town dated May 15th, 2025 at an interest rate of 4% and payable May 15th, 2026, the notes to Fidelity Capital market at par and accrued interest, if any, plus a premium of 25,892 and 86. No move. All those in favor? Okay. Dr. We also need to vote to vote that in connection with the marketing and sale of the notes, the preparation and distribution of the notice, sale and preliminary official statement dated April 8th, 2025,

37:46 and a final official statement dated April 15th, 2025, each in such form as May approved by the town treasurer B and hereby r ratified, confirm, approved and adopted. Second. All those in favor? Okay. Also unanimous. And further that the town treasurer and the select board be and hereby r authorized to execute and deliver a significant events disclosure undertaking in compliance with SEC Rule 15 C two dash 12 in such form as may be approved by bond counsel to the town, which undertaking shall be incorporated by reference in the notes for the benefit of the folders of the notes from time to time. So moved. Second. All those in favor? Motion unanimously further that we authorize

38:32 and direct the town treasurer to establish post issuance federal tax compliant procedures and continuing disclosure procedures in such forms as the town Treasurer and bond Council deems sufficient, or if such procedures are currently in place to review and update fed procedures in order to monitor and maintain the tax exempt status and notes and to comply with relevant security law for this law. So moved. Second. All those in favor again and further vote that each member of the select board, the town clerk and the town treasurer be and hereby are thrive to take any and all such action and execute and deliver such cer certificates, receipts, or other documents as may be determined by them or any of them to be necessary or convenient to carry into effect with provisions of the foregoing votes. Two. All in favor? Okay.

39:21 I just wanna, um, thank you both and express our appreciation for these really unusually difficult circumstances that you’ve been laboring under, putting in a lot of extra hours. Um, and I know you guys are behind the scenes and, you know, not necessarily doing the police details and everything and, but you really are like the epicenter of the town in our finance department and, um, it’s commendable the way you’ve been working to get this done under, you know, it’s under circumstances, not at all of your own making, but again, just outdated technology and, um, which we are in getting ahead of now finally. Or, um, yeah, so I know this is like one last kind of go, go around

40:07 with this free cash stuff with this off, right? Mm-hmm. There, there’s a lot of moving parts too, Madam chair. The, the technology implementation combined with actually doing stuff. So there’s a lot of, a lot to, to pay attention to and to do. So it’s much appreciated. And also thank you for being creative way you’re thinking about these band versus long term debt, right? Evaluating them and to have a that’s interesting. Trust costs average of 3.47. Mm-hmm. I mean, say a virus. Great. I can you really look at the, so, so good job and, and looking at that as opposed to just going what could be our standard, easier way to do it. Appreciate that.

40:42 Thank you. Thank you. So

40:46 You feel better. Thank you. Hopefully you can get some rest.

40:53 Alright. Uh, next on our agenda, uh, is the Article 33 warrant, article 33, Mary Alley HVAC System presentation. I will turn it over to Mr. Keer, we have, who had sent us the, um, information via email, the packet from the, um, oh, and Logan, are you gonna, So I’m gonna, I’m gonna start, I’m gonna throw it to Logan for brief presentation and he’s gonna throw it over to Sean Morty and Daniel Wall, or from NV five where the folks will put this report together that I’m sure you all read over the weekend and slept soundly hearing something very, very,

41:38 very comprehensive. It was, so let me just sort of provide the context as I have done in the past of Mary Allen, which is originally a municipal hospital built, I think in the fifties, it was just after World War II timeframe. Um, there were a lot of municipal hospitals around the state. And in the eighties, eighties to early nineties, they all went out of business. Um, and so, so all these buildings were repurposed in various ways here. Marble had, and I’m not quite sure of the timing, um, the, the, the, the majority of municipal employees were migrated to the

42:25 closed hospital building and set up shop as the municipal offices. I’m sure there were some things done since the nineties. I just don’t know what they are or how much my experience here in the last two, just under almost three years. Um, one, I was flabbergasted in a meeting at the lower level in talking about a DA issues and how, what’s the problem? You just go down to the elevator, you go up and we, we have accessibility learn. Oh, that elevator hasn’t been running for 30 years. Um, so there are, uh, you know, a a lot of issues. The concern that I’ve been raising recently is

43:11 that our HBHC systems, you know, the 1950s system to our total surprise is failing all over the place. Um, and, and the concerns I’ve raised is that during the summer we’re using a lot of window air conditioners, which is driving up our costs. Um, and, and it’s not efficient. Um, and during the winters, we are using a lot of space heaters in place of the heating system. And that scares the heck out of me that, you know, one gets kicked over on a Friday afternoon and we got, we got big problem. Additionally, as you know, uh, LA last year we commissioned a study on all our facilities

43:57 for a DA compliance. And Mary Alley has a very long list, and we have, we started pecking way at an action plan to address. Um, and you’ll hear about all these things in, in, in these reports. Let me point out one example on, on the a DA compliance that bothers me and why we need to do these things. Uh, for example, our doorknobs in all the doorways are grasp and turn knocks. If you have some type of disability with your hands and somebody kicks over a space heater, you’re not getting up that really, that,

44:44 that bothers me a lot. And that these are things that we actually have to address. So what, and, and, and we will go into a little bit more, uh, this presentation is not just about HVAC, it’s about a whole package to the building. Uh, and that’s why we think it’s very important for a town meeting that we go forward and we, we get this project going. Is that to Logan? That was a great overview and um, Sean are here to kind of give a presentation. Um, but I, I just wanted to say that I’ve been involved in the kind of feasibility study phase, um, that has been kicked off and led by Felicia, um,

45:30 our wonderful financial director as well too. Um, and you know, I’ve been involved in the process and making sure that, you know, the system that we’re actually looking at to replace that, you know, is hopefully gonna last us 20 to 30 years. Also kind of sticks in with the communities net zero goals, um, as well as kind of, that was passed in 2018 to get us to 100% green energy. Um, and yeah, as, as somebody who works in the Mary Alley building, um, you know, I use a space heater. I use some portable air condition where I sit. Um, so you know, it, this is like there component of this is the HVAC system of course. Um, but this is, you know, because this system does cost quite a bit money and there is a lot of need in the building, we are kind of addressing other needs as well too. Um, like putting in a proper ventilation system

46:17 so we get fresh air and it’s up to proper building code. Um, you know, replacing the roof has been, it’s previously approved, but, you know, it makes sense if we’re doing the HVAC system, we should replace the roof at the same time. Um, the a DA upgrades, as Dr mentioned, um, you know, bringing back the lower level into VA compliance with the elevator I think is a big deal. Um, and to add on to the, to the space heater, um, issues as well too. We don’t have a, a fire sprinkler system in there, you know, that would be part of the scope as well too. Um, updating our 1980s fire alarm system as well. Um, and, uh, as, as we’ll get into in the presentation, we’re moving, um, abandoned equipment that, uh, isn’t even currently operational. So, um, but yeah, uh, with that intro, um, I’ll,

47:05 I’ll just hand it over to, I don’t see us following that. That’s pretty much it. MD five and, uh, left field, Elena Long, who is, who’s also been helping out with the, which with high school project as well. Um, they’ve been really great at kind of, you know, getting the feasibility setting as you guys have given us, been given and, uh, giving us a real good overview of just all of the things we need to truly address. So, um, when we go to town meeting, hopefully we’re making just one ask. Um, but with that, yeah, I’ll, I’ll hand it out to Sean. Sure. So real quick and the town of the spirit of Earth Day, I did print out a lot of, uh, and I Promise I won’t. Yeah. Okay. This is just a slide presentation that we put together.

47:50 Just think obviously, so The screen as well. So I think we’ll flip through it here. It’s, uh, by only got four or five pages Here, so me and Dan are obviously the engineers of it. We do have our architect, I believe he’s on, I’m sorry, that’s what I was trying to see about the, um, like logged on earlier. I think Ernie, Ernie, He was having difficulty getting on, but I, I can cover Dan, Dan can cover Everything. So, um, as everyone was alluding to, obviously the building’s, building’s old, it’s been, hasn’t really had a lot happening to it in the last few years. Sorry, sorry. Again, I’m Dan Wal from ND five. Oh yeah. Mechanical engineer.

48:26 30, 38 years of experience. Um, so yeah, adding air conditioning, building sounds, sounds pretty basic, right? Mm-hmm. But when you talk about, uh, you know, um, the code requirements, you know, the, the building’s worth a certain amount, the upgrades are trigger other things, right? A DA sometimes seismic, sometimes other stuff too. You know, there’s, there’s money involved in, in trying to do that, right? So obviously a lot of opportunities to, to do some things, uh, environmentally to go from a fossil fuel burning system, which you have a very old steam system, 1890s technology really, that was, you know, Or, or Well, you know, in place in design through the 1950s really.

49:14 Um, so you have that system there, it’s still there, you know, it’s, you know, old steel piping running around, crawl space vectors, blasting heat, whether you need it or not. You’ve seen ‘em all a little heats blast and windows are, um, all that kind of stuff. Um, the existing air conditioning units, I call ‘em like motel air conditioning units that were put in the 80, in the mid eighties, it looks like they’re using R 12, which is now a refrigerant you really can’t get anymore. Mm-hmm. Um, and that, that has a big greenhouse gas, uh, as well, stuff if it leaks, you know, so definitely time to, to make, make some improvements, make some renovations. So while we’re there, not just looking at the HVAC, if you’re, you’re putting in all this equipment for air conditioning, you’re touching the ceilings,

49:59 good time to do this, sprinklers, do the ceilings, you have old plaster. There’s, there’s asbestos on, on the old steam pipe, insulation up on the roof, you know, get, get, we have that survey tested, get that all cleaned up while we’re, while we’re in there. Um, and we worked with Logan. We, we looked at three, um, sorry, I’ll just go real quick. Try to stay in order of the slide. The next slide up is, is the roof. You have a lot of space on the roof. There’s potential there for photovoltaic panels or systems like that if you want to put that in. Um, the roof is old. It’s not insulated very much. Certainly that can be upgraded. And that’s included in the study and in the estimate that we did, basically put five inches

50:45 of, of, uh, rigid installation on the roof, redo all the roof, the flashing and coping around the outside fix the roof drains, which are now almost, uh, 80 years old. Um, get that stuff squared away so we don’t have the leaks and we protect the, the rest of the investment that happens within the building. You know, so that’s, that’s all pretty, pretty straightforward and pretty standard for the vintage age of everything that’s there. Um, there was the elevator, yes, does not work. Um, needs, needs to be upgraded. That’s in the cost. That’s in the study too. Um, not much you typically can do with the door on the shaft side. You get it as best you can. Um, but the buttons and the signals

51:33 and all that stuff are in better positions for people to use. And it’s just a two stop elevator, but elevators are expensive, but cost is in there as well. Um, there’s different counter height things like the transaction counters for some of the departments in the building and the right height. Uh, I think there was some shots of drinking fountains, all that kind of stuff. Wrong, wrong accessibility, you can get, you know, bumped into and stuff like that. Not the, not the right height. Also, what type of hardware?

52:10 Um, so we looked at three different systems, you know, um,

52:16 there’s kind of that cheap get it done option, kind of 80 separate units for all the little rooms in there, how many? 80, which is not popular, but it, it’s, uh, you know, it’s one option. It’s still, you know, always good to look at the, what the, the least expensive one. Yeah. Um, option two, which I’ll get to in a second. Option three was our recommended option. That’s kind of, kind of the state of the art VRF system for retrofits in buildings. Um, that technology is, it’s, it’s, it’s basically a refrigerant system that can run in a heat pump mode. So it can, buildings on the east side can be in cooling in the morning and, you know, the sun’s shining

53:01 and the ones on the other side can be in heating and they kind of feed off of each other so the, the heat doesn’t get rejected to the space, it gets transferred to someone across the hall maybe. And those have a very high efficiency and coefficient performance and throw some terms out there. Um, that’s the one we ended up recommending. It goes well into a retrofit of an existing building. Um, it can be phased, which I think is important for this project. I think the way the building, if you look at the building kind of that boomerang shape, it’s two floors. Um, we were envisioning kind of four phases, you know, right side, second floor, right side, first floor, left side, second floor, left side, first floor swinging, moving people around, you know, finding temporary homes

53:49 for ‘em rather than the cost of trailers and all that kind of stuff. Um, and that system works, works well with that. The fault, the Cadillac system, option two, which is, um, a, a combined chilled water system and hot water system using kind of the latest technology, right? So chillers that have energy recovery Option two A was kind of a enhanced version where we had looked into geothermal wells and how many wells we can get on the site. Obviously a lot more money for that. Building’s not huge, you know, and the, and the geothermal systems work well with buildings that have a lot of hours use and things like that.

54:36 Um, we did not feel that you’d have enough space on the site to get enough wells in to do the whole load of the building. So that was kind of a, a negative for that option. And that system really doesn’t lend itself much to the phasing as well as the other. So that becomes more of a, you have the whole building and a down for well of 18 months, 20 months, however a long it takes didn’t seem like that was gonna work either. Um, so we, you know, showed up at that option three, which I think is, is doable. It can be phased, it is very efficient. And in that case it is a, um, it’s a hundred percent carbon uh, reduction, right? So BA building basically becomes zero emissions, right?

55:21 There’s no fossil fuel. All the heating would be done through that system. Uh, and we could, you know, really the only thing, I’m not even sure if your generator uses natural gas, it might be diesel, that that would be the only reason to keep it’s diesel, so you don’t even need the natural gas there anymore. Um, so that, that option there, Just one. So I just see the, the expected life life expectancy is 20 years versus others, or 50 years where not much of a difference in cost. Does that come into consideration? Yeah. Just seems like they’re a little more money than two and a half times the Yeah, I I would really say it’s probably 25 years that option three.

56:07 Um, and it’s, it’s, you know, they’re, they’re compressors and the equipment, right? Compressors have a certain amount of hours of operation they operate. They’re, you’re changing amount over, over time. Um, which you can, can do, you know, the, the thing that worries me about any of these new s system, any, you know, all these systems together is they’re always upgrading refrigerants and changing refrigerants to try to make, make them less flammable, less toxic, less, less everything, right? So you have to kind of keep up with that and know what’s coming down the road as you operate and maintain, you know, so it’s really looking into a crystal ball. The, the, the, the, the option two, which is that that much longer life system, uh,

56:54 you know, I’ve seen, you know, town halls and stuff being renovated over the years and they, I want, you know, it’s gonna be here for 70 years, some of these historic building structures mm-hmm. Which, you know, this, this is not right. Um, not like this building. Right, right. You know, um, people want those systems to last 70 years that that building’s gonna be there, 700. Right. So this system, like if you wouldn’t do that system, it really like would involve I think a bigger renovation based on my, what I know. Because even though it’s this weird shake boomerang, it’s set up like a hospital, right? There’s the patient rooms are now people’s offices, right? So it’s, is that what you would do if you’re gonna completely renovate the building? You probably have more meeting space, community space

57:40 and not these little individual adding to that cost. Right? Okay. So why, you know? Right. So it’s, it’s not just right there that, that yeah. It’s what’s further down the line. Yeah. Yeah. Because like 20, 25 years from now, you might be like, this no longer works. Mm-hmm. This little, you know, very, you know. Yeah. Thank, uh, our thought there. Good question.

58:05 Um, so the next few slides just go more, more into the, the options there with some pictures, um, and the cost and, and in, in all the cases, um, maybe half the cost is the air conditioning system, right? The rest is the roof elevator, the elevator, the fire alarm, the sprinklers, the asbestos, the a DA bathrooms, a DA stuff, you know, on top of the air conditioning stuff. The only thing I think that, you know, we we’re not really touching and I think is another project is to do windows I think that might already be on the dock, but are progressing on our separate parallel. Well, We, we included it in the language of the warrant, but it’s based on total cost.

58:51 Okay. And, and it’s a business decision as to what we can Right. Put into the package that we can get. Okay. Yeah. We definitely need windows. Um, And that’s, that’s it. There was, um, you know, a, um, a lengthy study. There’s more info in there. Um, you know, I think the, um, you know, the, the, the pricing we, we do, we did through our own estimates, we got a lot of input from different vendors. It’s contingency money in there. There’s stock cost money in there. There’s, I know some what ifs we don’t know about happened that’s in there.

59:38 Um, you know, we tough to get a project approved without having it bid yet. Right. You don’t know what the amount truly is yet. But we think we’re gonna be below the amount that happened here. Ms. Clo cost of approved for spring 20, 20, 25 for option three, 6.2 million. Yeah. That in roofing, that includes roofing replacements, all the aada a upgrades. Yeah. Insulation Elevator, Asbestos Remediation. Yeah. Um, sprinkler Fire alarm. Okay. A lot of life, life safety stuff. Yep. Insulation as well. Hard just on the roof. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:24 Not, not on, not on even the walls, the windows would be a tremendous help. Um, Is there a cost savings to doing the windows while you have everybody there? I would say so, yeah. It’s part of that scale, you know.

1:00:39 Do you have an estimate what That would be? I, I do not at this time. I don’t know if anyone else has done that previously, but We, we have, we do have estimates based on, so some of the windows have been done. So Steve Cummings has gotten the pricing information a few years ago, so there’s some adjustment and, and then kind of factored what the remaining windows would cost. But that number is back almost top my head. Would You say that like, quarter of the windows have been done? Do you have any idea of like, Uh, I’m gonna show Just roughly like almost half, almost half or new?

1:01:17 The West Wing. Okay. Those are new.

1:01:22 Okay. Yeah. I, I’m just wondering like, you know, if we just in, if we’re gonna do all this work, just bundle it with the windows all they save the money because they’re already, they’re already doing project, but The part of the reason for doing this is to educate us as to what are the options Yeah. That we have available. What’s the associated price tag and, and how, how, you know, make the decisions to, to go forward for what exactly we want to ask just in review By the capital clinic committee yet? Not yet. We’re scheduling with get that on the calendar next week, because I think they’re board the experts point, so I’d rather take my, leave them. Yep. Yeah. Let me, let me um, mention sort of conceptually

1:02:11 part of what I think this report addresses. ‘cause it addresses, because again, it did start with HVAC, the, the, the very narrow definition and, and it expands. Um, I refer, I refer to this concept as, uh, a mouse nibbling at a mouse. The cheese on a mouse trap. And that’s, we have the, we the known value of the building, if you make improvements to the building, that’s 30% is the threshold. Once you hit that 30% threshold, that’s the mouse trap slamming down on the mouse because you bid off. Right. Too big of a bite. And now you are committed to the entirety of the project as you have to build, put everything to code a DA building codes and such, the

1:02:57 Mission creed. Yeah. And, and so it appears to me that addressing the main infrastructure of the building, the HVAC systems and the cost of that triggers the mouse track. There’s no way around it. And so, right, this build sort of the package and prices out the package that goes along with, to do the HVAC, you must do these other things and here’s the package. And here with the options, here’s how much it’s gonna cost To the chair’s point. I think the efficiencies around the windows, Mike, and it be here’s to know what the delta is, whether know why, why perhaps it’s Not. Yeah. I, I just think it wasn’t,

1:03:41 Did we split it in two phase? So, and then we put it in the capital cash funding, the windows. Got it. But split it in phase because it is exp So, so it’s underway. It’s Underway. It’s under capital plan. Okay, good. Good. Okay. Thank, do we already have some of this money, so this number 6 million, how much? We have some money from a previous article. 480. Yeah. Thank you. So do you wanna repeat that left, Mike? So we have, we have 480,000. Yeah. So we fall Five million eight hundred five million seven hundred fifty thousand 5 7 50. Yeah. 5 7 50. Great. Yeah. Maybe possibly we could get a grant in the future towards

1:04:26 Towards 88,000. So There’s, uh, there’s state and a grant. We successful getting Deborah Beach, uh, about $90,000 improvements this year. Um, we haven’t talked with the Disabilities Commission yet, but this would likely be a project we could complete because, as batch mentioned, completes a lot of the items out of the a, a transition plan that we produced in 2023. Um, and you know, I I, I haven’t spoken to the Disabilities Commission yet, but we just want to, And do we, we have an asbestos report over there already for the whole building. Is that true in the past or not? Nothing. Nothing in the last few years that we, we were, we were given, so we had our own, uh, hygienist come in and came in and looked at that

1:05:13 and based on what you can see. Yeah. They looked at the roof. They looked At some of the penetrations on the second floor and things like that. It was kind of specific targeting on space. Yeah. Just extrapolated from That. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They, we, we did kind of some linear footage of piping, square footage of roof. There’s some areas with nine by nine tiles on the floor. Not that we’re touch touching ‘em, but since and half, And then to you go back to your analogy of, of the, of the mouse truck there. So when that mouse truck goes, did that trigger sprinklers as well? Or it’s like, we have it open, we should do it now? You know that I don’t know about that. That, yeah. Okay. I’m sure. Is it that 30% rule? That’s, I wasn’t sure. Chapter 34 is the, the The 50 sometimes, but it’s, thank You. Yeah. I mean, in the report

1:05:58 we actually state it’s recommended. Yeah. We need to coordinate with local authorities to make sure that it’s open. Right. If it was something that we could look, it’s Easier to do. Yeah. I mean, it’s obviously a valuable asset. You should have that for sure. Yeah. So would this bring a fully compliant with the aada a law? That’s, that’s our intention. I, you know, like Does this include the handicap push button doors to come and go? A stroller or like a, like the automatic doors? I, I think what we would have to meet every a as part of this project. Yes. If, if we don’t know about it now, or didn’t find it, find it yet, we’re gonna have to do it though. Was that in, was that taken into consideration in the, in the, in the number? I think we got most of that. Yeah. We, yeah, I think we got most of it. It’s detailed in the architectural section of it,

1:06:45 and then we, we captured some of most of it. So, so how long would it take you at all, all the phases done complet you to just kind of continue to roll it out? Yeah. On there? Yeah.

1:07:00 What is, yes, the last side was kind of our estimate Before you do that. So on, we’re not replacing elevator, is that correct? It’d be a complete refurbishment, which is basically replacement. Okay. Modernization. You’re staying with the current shaft. Yeah. Replace CMU or Modernization project. But that’ll mean the new a DA and the size. Yeah. Yeah. You know, on the positive side, building is really, really tough. Structurally it is.

1:07:30 You throw water back. Um, uh, what about the electrical load capacity for the, um, new system? Yeah, we’re gonna, We’re upgrading the server, the electrical server that’s Included in the Box. Yep. It’s, yep. And, um, then this is not so much for you folks, but operationally speaking, we’re gonna need some transition space. No, I mean, how are we gonna manage this? And, and, and if so, we should include that in the Yeah. In the number we bring to town meeting. Like if we need to bring in trailers or whatever it is, or some type of ring space upgrades that we need to do for a year, you know, but just make sure it’s included so we’re not kind of like, sounds Like, sounds like the phasing is designed to Yeah.

1:08:17 Well, but there’s gonna be some displacement Right. With this, right. With there will be displacement in, in interruptions and service at this location. It have to be, We’ve done some practice at that. Yeah. ‘cause we just went through it. Yeah. For the whole RUG project. I mean, that was move out of the way. Move back in. We hired movers to move the furniture, um, because of that RUG project. Lots of cleaning out, lots of purging, uh, moving, a lot of the documents were required to retain over at the school. So we, we’ve already done a big chunk of work towards that effort. But yes, they would have to be a project plan. Um, and again, the lower level on, on, you know, on, on west side, I guess it is, right? Where the veteran services officer, there are not people.

1:09:04 It’s the conference room that we want to redo mm-hmm. And all of that for the public meeting space. So that would be easy. It might be that’s, you know, that’s the first one. Get it set. And that’s your swing space for everything else. If that may, if that’s even I understanding that there’s more concern Yeah. Than we had with flooring. We didn’t have really in those concerns around the hazardous materials like that are in there. Yeah. There, um, presentation that there, that we would have to remediate, um, asbestos and there would be that issue with this project because of the roofing and all that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So that usually those, they can be, you know, they put their containment, uh, plastic around that and they, they isolate it to a space. We, I’ve done plenty projects where buildings,

1:09:50 state occupied asbestos, people are down, down at the other end or wherever, uh, you know, doing their thing and they monitor the air and the state comes in and does their Okay. They check it too. Um, yeah. The, the only one I was worried about is the, the superintendent’s office that there was a lot of comings and goings. Oh, Yes. That That, right. That was agree. Like a little different. Yeah.

1:10:16 Um, we’re keeping our new rocks, right. We’re keeping the rocks place. We haven’t been in there. Looks great. Who gets to the office on the top? Okay. So, yeah. But we had, um, yeah, I mean, uh, I had 56 weeks I think in there for the total kind of start to finish.

1:10:39 Um, you know, we had, like I mentioned, the soft costs in there. We had design and the PM fee. And usually that’s, we have 30%, it’s usually a lot. 10, 12, 13% for all that. That be kind of became like a little bit, what about this? What about that? What about the trailers? We gotta put some money somewhere for that, just in case. And then there’s a 15% truth contingency on that entire, so you get 45 between the two, you get a 30. Well, some, some of those I would say no. I would, I would say that

1:11:20 the, the, the, the soft cost design, OPM fees, no more than 15%. Typically it’s listed as 30 right now. ‘cause we didn’t really put in portrayals and relocation of the stuff Like that. You’ve got a 15% there and then 10% the true continu. True, true. Yeah. So that, and that also, so We have it. So what’s the biggest, if you would say, the biggest unknown here for preparing a lot of that stuff that driven the remediation, or, I think we have that pretty well Scoped out Right now. Identified pretty well. Yeah. Yeah. That’s usually not as bad as you think it would be. Yeah, No, it’s the piping installation and out the parts of the roof. Yeah. And then what’s embedded in the tiles. So Yeah. If there’s a way where you’re not having

1:12:06 to impact the tiles, then You just see good. Yeah. It’s Very, I I was pleasantly surprised in the asbestos size. It is, man. Very manageable. Yeah. That there has been some asbestos removal done there in the past. Boilers in the piping they’ve gotten most Yeah.

1:12:30 But there’s still some there, there’s still some like, old hard ceiling sometimes there’s there. Um, That’s gonna sound like an absurd question. Have you guys been up on the roof? Yeah. Oh yeah. Thank you.

1:12:50 So imagine We’ve been in the crawl space too. That’s Just happen. So, so 14 months basically. Yeah. Good. And it’s a commitment. Yeah. There, there, there are no other options on the horizon of finding a location, designing a building. I mean, ideally take an open site. We custom design a municipal building that meets all the desires and needs, and we do that. Um, that’s nowhere, anywhere on the radar scope that I can see. Which is why the 20 to 25 is pretty much Yeah. I mean, VF is, yeah. I mean, VF concept, bigger decision. Yeah. It gets, makes sense. Great. Right. Okay.

1:13:38 I was, yeah, I appreciate your, your, thank you. Thank you, Logan. Yeah. Well for while. Yeah. Thanks for, uh, appreciate you guys. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks.

1:13:54 Thank you to Alicia. Always service how many, there’s always one cake. Thank you to Alicia. Mike claimed the success around here was finding Alicia There.

1:14:12 Um, hi. Thank you.

1:14:46 Okay. Um, I just wanted to follow up, um, with one other point about this, with the a DA, uh, compliance piece. Can you, I don’t know if they’re gonna meet between now and town meeting, but the Disabilities Commission, can we put together a summary for the chair? Yeah. At least on the, um, planned upgrades and that they, that the chair can then distribute to the members, at least before town meeting the details. Thank you, Logan. I’ve been talking to Laurie about it. Okay. So they are Been able to actually go to the meeting and talk to them in a public hearing. Okay. We Haven been talking with the chair. You plan, you plan on doing that? Uh, yeah. At the next opportunity, basically. Okay. So there has been communication with the chair.

1:15:32 Yeah. But maybe if there’s other, like, I don’t if there’s like, like a bulleted list of things that she can send to the other members. Yeah. It’s just easy. That’d be great. Um, and then, and obviously, um, as Brett mentioned, we need to get the Capital planning committee to review it.

1:15:50 Okay. Okay. So now, uh, we are again reviewing the 2025 pound warrant meeting articles. But this, um, we are gonna vote on the appropriation

1:16:09 just on our articles, um,

1:16:17 and the appropriations that we’re bringing forward to Tell me again. Okay. So, um, what I can do is do a, um, motion to support, uh, ask for a motion to support the following articles on the 2025 annual town Lawrence. Accept those placed on hold. Um

1:16:40 Mm-hmm. Article three consent lie articles. Um, these are just the assumption of liability except the trust property, which we have none. Lease the town, lease the town property. We have none contracts in excess of three years in financial assistance for conservation. Those don’t have dollars attributed to Them. No, no, no. These are just well authorizations. Okay. Yep. Article four, unpaid funds in the amount of $26,688 and 72 cents. Article five Department departmental revolving funds in the amount of $5,199,535. Article six purchase of equipment

1:17:26 of several departments in the amount of $301,741. Article seven, lease purchase in the amount of $491,218. Article eight, capital improvements for public buildings in the amount of $1,236,958. Article nine, walls and fences in the amount of 50,000. Article 10, stormwater construction, the amount of 400,000. Article 11 consent articles under, um, for the water and sewer department construction, the amount of 1,236,000 for the water department and sewer department construction, the amount of 1,599,000. Article 12 rela proposed reclassification and PayScale administrative at 2%.

1:18:12 Article 13 proposed reclassification and PayScale for traffic supervisors at 2%. Article 14, proposed reclassification and PayScale for seasonal and temporary workers at 2%. Article 15, compensation for the town clerk at 2%. Article 17, ethics North Shore Agricultural and Technical in the amount of $627,323. Article 19, collective bargaining police in the amount to be, uh, to be determined. Hold. Okay. Article 20, collective bargaining for the, um, I-U-E-C-W-A local 1776 and the amount of to be determined. And then Article 21, collective targeting require and the amount of to be department.

1:18:59 Article 23, amend the zoning bylaw for three, a multifamily overlay district. Article 28, home rule petition, established means tested Senior citizens property tax exemption. Article 31 coffin rule reuse. Article 32, Gary School Playground Article 33, Mary Alley building HVAC system in the amount of 5,000,700, 750,000. Article 36 Stormwater Enterprise Fund, article 44 parking tickets. Increased fee for still emergency, no more than $100 if not paid within 21 day 105. Do you need, do we need to move on those? Not, so all those, um, we have holds on 19 and 20. Okay.

1:19:47 Um, so except for articles 19 and 21, can I have a motion to support these articles? No. Correct. Okay. All those in favor. Okay. And then separately, um, for articles 19 and articles 21, um, can we have a motion to support the following articles on the 2025 annual town warrant, town warrant, the collective bargaining for police and fire in amounts to be determined, present. Perfect. All is in favor? We Okay. Three in favor. One refused.

1:20:22 Um, okay. What about the, um, increase in fees, building permit That’s sponsored By the Building Commission, Right. Oh, okay. So I mean, technically these, The ones that were listed as Under, I think it’s a select board thing, but yeah, we don’t need to vote in support of that. Um, the ones by sponsored by the finance director. Yeah. Right. Okay. Right. Okay. So, and then given that we are talking about, and it’s on here for, um, for the, um, the town meeting warrant, warrant articles, uh, I just wanted to see, you know, there, one of the, in particular, one of the, um,

1:21:09 citizens articles directly relate to, uh, operational, um, needs regarding the sustainability coordinator. I didn’t know if the board wanted to have any interest in discussing that in, on that article 47 Citizens article to the mo, uh, article two at the town to vote to eliminate one of our, um, the position of sustainability coordinator Be to speak a little bit. I mean, co Lee Logan is doing a lot of the, well be honest, as we just, I think it’s very clear argument that the work that he’s done, pace point of case himself, um, you know, he’s, he’s filled in a law before we, we, we back built some other positions. He’s been carrying many hats. I think he’s, he’s, he’s done a great job.

1:21:55 And, and clearly it’s, it’s within what town meaning voted for to get to net zero. It’s really the, it’s what the towns asked for. And Logan is, is doing a great job to continue that be, you know, strongly support keeping his job, his position. Yeah. In some ways this, if I could course, in some ways the sustainability coordinator kind of underrepresents his job. Because if you look at the specific projects that he’s, that he’s really driven or been responsible for, around 10 of them. And, uh, three of them are infrastructure around resilience. And there are about a million dollars associated with the associated grants with those, uh, there are two projects that are kind of the sustainability net zero, only two.

1:22:40 And the amount is for $25,000 of grants that he raised. Uh, there’s infrastructure around Recreation, 70 5K infrastructure on business development, which is 150 k of grants. Uh, he sought, uh, infrastructure around a DA 92,000 in grants that he sought that he, that he received, that he did. He got to the town. There’s one community planning project, 13 K. And I think there’s also a training. So as you can see, it’s almost like it’s not, it’s, his role has al almost been like in charge of brand and so forth. So, you know, I, I think the issue with the, with the titles sustainability, I think undersells, uh,

1:23:26 what he’s doing, although there’s a, obviously a very important component to, you know, I, I don’t know what, I think that’s the, I’m just reflecting the Yeah. Impressions that are out there and, and I know what you think about. So, So I’ve had, I’ve had conversations with folks that have been asking, raising these issues, and, and part of, I think started some confusion, I’ll call it that. And, and I hopefully have provided some clarification. So we created this, the new department when, when Becky, who was Becky, Karen was wearing That’s right. Four or five hats. Yeah. Doing a lot of things. Um, but she, one person split up doing different roles. So that raised the question,

1:24:11 what were we not able to get done? Right? As, as, as wonderful as Becky was, she was one person doing multiple. So we created and how we approved the department of Community development and planning. And as I said throughout the whole process, in an ideal world, we would’ve hired the director first, and through the director build each of the successive positions to fill out. We don’t operate in a perfect world. We do things to navigate, to get to the end point. But, uh, so that resulted in that the first position that we had and available was the sustainability coordinator position, filling the one person in this department that was intended to have all these different roles.

1:24:57 And so Logan took on, and I remember saying to him, there’s plenty of parts lying around. You see something that needs to get done, pick it up and run with it. And we’re we’re fortunate that his skillset and knowledge, his connections with state agencies, he was able to pick up a lot of parts of the other roles in that to be created department. We are now happy that we are fully staffed. We have the director, we have a grant coordinator, we have the talent planner. We, we have all those roles filled. And so one of the first tasks of the director, and he and I I’ve had that conversation, is now that you have the whole team, let’s get everybody in their right lane, in their right lane and maximize the effect of the role

1:25:45 that they’re assigned to. They’re still a team. Mm-hmm. They, they cross function and help each other out, but they, it, it is just starting. Brendan’s been here, what, two months? So the, this department fully staffed ready to, you know, to go has only been in place for two months. So it is now that the effect of having this department in place will start to be Realized. Okay. And I think that helped. Thank you in my conversation with others to understand why, you know, people were playing different roles when they got Here. Totally. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, so much time,

1:26:28 Yes, there’s been too much conversation also about how it was created and the replacement of salaries one to another. And I think the conversation needs to turn on what this town needs. Mm-hmm. And what these guys are providing guys and girls, sorry. Um, you know, and, and, and really the, the value that Logan can add and maybe sustainability, but he is talking about a DU grants. I know here also heard talks about that potential for the future at Green Street. So just really harnessing that and, and talking about, again, not that we took engineer and replaced it here, but that this is what this town needs. And Becky was amazing. She had way too many hats on. And you can just see the results already from what lot of it do to Logan on the grants that we’ve already raised in this last year. It’s as far as succeeding that anything we’ve done in the past will just shows

1:27:15 that we can do in the future as well. Very position. Yeah. And I, and I feel with two colleagues here who said, you know, it’s, it, the name’s a little bit of a mis misnomer, but he does so much and he brings so much money. And if there’s anything with sustainability, it’s to keep our taxes folks. ‘cause he is bringing so much from looking at the sources of working with our, you know, grants coordinator. And, uh, and so if anything, our citizens should be thanking and, uh, because that’s what he’s doing, not only is he doing a great job, but he’s ultimately bringing in money that we paid to the federal government. He paid to the state government. And that’s going to keep art. So anything, we’re gonna sustain our time. So I can’t thank, you know Logan

1:28:02 or not, you know, two years you’ve been here little over a year now. Right. I remember you came from, so I just want to say thank you on behalf of me. I thank you. Probably. Do you have much support? This is a non-binding article anyway, so it’s, it’s just advisory, advisory. But at the end of the day, I, that’s my big, so thank you.

1:28:28 That’s right. I mean, I just also echo, Brendan is kind of organizing the department. Someone like Logan who can do everything from, you know, can do, who can do grant work, who can do, you know, some pro help with project management, do be on the implementation side. You’ve got, you’ve got a really well-rounded team to be able do what needs to be done under leadership. And you played a huge educational role for, you know, other non-government groups here.

1:29:01 Let’s not forget, he was instrumental in helping to understand three A as well at a time that was very unsure this time. So we stepped up for that.

1:29:20 Well, Yeah, I know. Got It. Thank you. Awesome. You know, I

1:29:29 instrumental in, in building out the capacity of the number of grants we can write in. Great. We set a good base for that Great Team. Yeah, I think that the, that the issue, you know, I think we can expect it will come up in terms of the budget. I think that, uh, you know, sustainability coordinator, let’s take even Logan out of it as great job as he is, but it’s about the position itself. People wanna feel that It’s not just about, we need to show that it’s not just about, you know, signal values around net zero, but it actually, it has, as we know, it is data metric proven an eff an efficient, effective use of, um,

1:30:17 of a role in in town department. Um, which, which it is. I mean, we have a list of all of the projects that, you know, Moses had ticked off a bunch of them. So it’s not just, it’s, it’s beyond it. It it’s an economic decision as well, constantly monitoring that. Uh, we evaluate the position based on the return on investment if we do anything else.

1:30:43 So again, yeah, I mean I, I fully support the, um, the, the, the budget reflecting the position of sustainability.

1:30:55 I’m sure, I dunno if it’s okay with you, I’d like to make a motion. I’d like to make a motion for the slot board to support the ongoing existence sustainability coordinator as well as line.

1:31:07 So a second. Second. Okay. Sure. All in favor? Great. Okay. Anything else under town warrant?

1:31:20 Okay.

1:31:27 To our, um, regular general votes with the board and your packet. These are our consent agenda items over for motion to approve the following consent agenda items except both put on hold the minutes of March 12th, 2025. March 25th, March 26th, March 31st, April 7th and April 9th, all 2025. Uh, sorry. And then old townhouse, sorry no, me, sorry. Old townhouse, sustainable New England for September 18th, 2025. Um, rental and then old townhouse for sustainable Marblehead June 6th, 2025. Second. All in favor. Okay, great.

1:32:10 Um, and then that brings us to a variety of, um, contract. Most of them are funded through the, I think they’re funded through the stormwater construction article. Article 11 and chapter nine broke. Uh, is there anything you want to highlight? Well, And the fireworks funded through the fireworks donation Account. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So the motion, we need a motion to approve the following li agenda items contract with the account, except was put on hold and authorized the chair to sign on behalf of the board awarded the contract of 2025 dash 0 0 6 between the town and Nic Pyrotechnical fireworks ed for July 4th, fireworks to play in the amount of $52,000 and five $52,500. The private drain connection between the town and Richard and Margaret Goldbar 27th hit with road fee receipt

1:32:59 of the required fees, forms, and department signatures award of a contract, uh, 2025 dash zero five, cleaning of stormwater catch basin basins to BMC Corporation. The first year of the contract to run from May 1st, 2025 to June 30th, 2026, total of 14 months with an initial town wide cleaning to be completed prior to June, 2020 fifth. That says for one hundred thousand one hundred seventeen thousand four hundred seventy nine dollars to amend the contract for 2024 dash 0 3 0 Road Walk and sideways improvements to be in r contracting by awarding the first year option for the period of July 1st, 2025 to June 30th, 2026 in the amount of $1,182,293 and 0 cents. And amend the contract

1:33:46 for 2025 20 dash 0 2 8 pavement maintenance for crack ceiling project for seal coating DBA Indus by awarding the first year option for the period of July 1st, 2025 to June 30th, 2026 in the amount of seven $3,188. And amend the contract for town wide pavement marking between the town and K five, uh, by awarding the second option year for the period of June 1st, 2025 to May 30th, 2026 for an amount not to exceed $48,625 and change the order number, uh, change order number four for the contract, uh, 2024 dash 0 7 7 ELM Street Park Project to allow for exploratory investigation work to address safety concerns to the unanticipated exposure

1:34:32 of the unknown well during construction phase activities. And determine the next step, um, to decommission the preexisting well and the amount, uh, for safety concerns and the amount of $5,675 per, um, per day and not to exceed 15,975 maximum if necessary.

1:34:58 Question should be 16, um, just last six, five times three. It, I know it doesn’t equal, like That’s okay. That number’s right? Yes. Okay, great. I just wanna make sure we Thanks next, sir.

1:35:15 Motion. Yeah. So moved second. All those in favor? Okay. All right. We have, um, three requests for proclamations from the board. The first is a request from, um, sustainable Marblehead for recognizing World Ocean Stay, which is June 8th, 2025. Did you have something? Yeah. So brought Rob Howie brought this forward from sustainable, you know, if we could vote on it tonight, they’d also like it at some point to be read at the appropriate venue that,

1:35:52 Okay. So, uh, do we go ahead, uh, and read it. What do you think?

1:35:58 Um, Typically, Or we’ll read it on reading on the June 8th right. Reading on June 8th for voting it. Yeah, that’s right. We’ll vote it right now. So it’s in your, in your, in your package. You can see it. So can I have a motion to approve the proclamation for World Ocean Day 2025, June 8th, 2025, uh, as Packet. So moved. All in favor. Great. And next we have, um, a, uh, request to, uh, proclaim Saturday, May 3rd, 2025 as Make-A-Wish Day in Marblehead. And, um, the organization is going to be celebrating the Power of Wish with a, um, hometown 9-year-old Sophia, who per is a recipient, um,

1:36:45 an upcoming recipient of A Wish. And, um, there will be a day long celebrations, uh, mud Cuddle Toy posting, an open house style event from one to four open to the public with lots of activities for kids and family. And then we have a list of 14 or more local businesses that are participating in the festivities, um, landing to Arnold’s Gallery, to Chuy’s, and many others. Um, and our own police department and the Marblehead High School Interact Club will be kicking off the day with a walk and roll for wishes, which they are actively planning. And, um, so, um, and then, uh, Ms.

1:37:30 Caroline Craig, uh, also states in her letter that they believe that declaring May 3rd at Make-A-Wish Day, and Marblehead would not only honor Sophia and her wish journey, but also recognize the generosity and kindness of the Marblehead community in supporting local children with critical illness. Now to Make-A-Wish Massachusetts and Rhode Island with Grant nearly 400 wishes this year to children between the ages of two and a half and 18. Um, and so they ask that we make this designation official and, um, hopefully join in the celebration, um, of the dead. So with that, um, can I have a motion to proclaim Make a Wish day? May 3rd, 2025 in Marblehead. So moved. Second. All those in favor? Okay, great.

1:38:18 And finally, we have a request from the counseling center, uh, to recognize, um, the Amy Felt community champion this year. Ann Kat Disco of Marblehead and the Amy Felt community service scholarship winner, Camilla Ferrera Gomez of Danvers. Um, the Amy Salt Champion Award recognizes a significant and ongoing contribution of an area of resident with a passion for helping others. Again, this is, um, put, put to us from the, um, Marblehead Counseling Center. It’s also, um, noted that may of mental health award awareness month a good time to celebrate the citizens who do much for the health and wellness in the community. And so, um, they would ask us that we complain May 1st

1:39:03 Marblehead Counseling Center Community Champions Day. So can we have that motion? So moved. All those in favor? Great. Okay. Um, we’re getting licensing article, uh, agenda item number 11. We have two outdoor dining applications from, um, one from Ilia Verna, and one from The Landing. And they have, um, put in their applications here. I will, I guess, um, is there anything, Mr. Kea, that you’d like to, uh, uh, mention before we take into consideration? So this is the second year of the licensing process, um,

1:39:51 and we did the applications in the layout and it is conditioned upon approval review myself, public safety, DEW. Uh, we went through the process last year, uh, working with, uh, the establishments and presumably if they’re doing pretty much the same program as last year, been pretty well vetted out and seems to work well. Great. Okay. Um, all right. I think we have a motion to approve the application, the applications for temporary outdoor dining in accordance with the towns out towns outdoor dining policies as follow Elia Verna 261 Washington Street, subject to receipt

1:40:36 of the required forms fees, insurance, and approval from police, fire building commissioner and town administrator in the landing of 81 Front Street, subject to receipt of the required forms, fees, insurance, and approval from police, fire, and the coordination of days, hours cooperation on the public way with the town administrator. So we would have, um, a motion a second, and then we’ll do a poll vote. Okay. Second. Mr. Murray in favor, Mr. Grade, uh, cus Mr. Fox in favor? And let’s do In favor.

1:41:18 Agenda number item number 12. Uh, this is a request of support, uh, from, um,

1:41:27 from, um, superintendent Chu for, uh, to, uh, se we send, um, support letters for Seth Moulton’s office and Ed Markey and Senator Warren and, um, either draft, uh, draft letters from last year. Uh, they were sent by, um, our CFO Benjamin. And, um, so she’s asked that we, uh, just again submit these letters of support. This is for the, um, CDF funding for the sewer lining project. And this would fund one year of the infiltration and inflow removal 10 year construction project.

1:42:14 Um, we did get awarded the FY 25 CDS funding, but the current administration has decided not to go forward with the funding. And so, um, Senator Markey at least has requested that we resubmit the application for FY 26. That why, um, that’s why this is for us.

1:42:34 Okay. Uh, I have a motion to send a letter of support to congressman be Moulton’s office, uh, for congressional and a motion, a letter of support to Congressman Beth Moten for congressional directed spending for the Sewer Lining Project and authorized the chair to sign on for summary. Yeah. And then is the request also to send to Warren and Markey? Yeah. Okay. So I’ll then I’ll also, um, ask for a motion to send a letter of support to senators, uh, ed Markey and Elizabeth Warren, um, for the same congression directed spending for the Sewer lining project and authorize the chair to sign on. So moved second. All in favor? That all? Okay.

1:43:25 Um, and we now we are onto, um, a dangerous dog hearing. I just forwarded you, uh, a summary, factual summary from our, uh, Animal Control officer. Thank you. Animal Control officer, uh, regarding the, the factual background. And we have, uh, a memorandum here from, um, our account administrator. There was, was a hearing and the, uh, recommendation to our board is that we do, um, declare, uh, the dog at issue as a dangerous dog and require the owner to, uh, to, um, abide by the recommendations

1:44:12 of our assistant animal control officer as listed here. Um, does anybody have any questions about this?

1:44:22 I just need a, um, motion to approve declaring the dog notice Wyatt presiding part-time at 24 Main Street in Marblehead as a dangerous dog and to require the owner to comply with the provisions of Mass General Law chapter one 40, section 1 57 C one through five as outlined above, and to notify the owner of discrimination in writing above. Sorry. All those in favor. Okay.

1:44:52 And, um, we have a annual re ambulation day, and I, Donna, would you like to speak to this because I know you’ve been putting in a lot of work on this as a grant coordinator. Donna Patrell also just, you’re here, so I don’t know that everybody’s had the chance to really Yeah. Come and sit at the board table. Yeah. Good evening everyone. Those of you who I have not met. Right. My name is Donna Terrell, a grant coordinator hired back in September. Um, super excited to be a representative for the town for Ation Day. From my understanding, we haven’t had one since Covid. Um, so we’re kind of restarting under the community development and planning department, whereas it was under the conservancy, um,

1:45:41 Conservancy, um, I know what you’re talking about. Yes. Okay, Mar, there we go. Looking some second. Yes. And I had a wonderful meeting with our subcommittee today. We’re gonna have Don Dolliver be our, you know, as our town historian, give a little bit of a five minute presentation. We’re gonna start at Chandler Healthy Park. Um, that was a group consensus in terms of parking. We know it’s a little tight, but that gives us the opportunity to split up into two groups and one can go one way. The other, um, we’re gonna have some folks stationed strategically, uh, hopefully one at each of the 10 sites. If not, we’re gonna at least have a couple of volunteers out in the field. And sustainable Marblehead is gonna give us some water.

1:46:27 Um, a gallon, thermos and compostable cup. I think that’s About it. Okay. Yeah. Doesn’t require our vote pricing, but we’re going to, um, it’s just, we’re just highlighting it. Yeah. So this is a requirement under the law that goes back hundreds of years. It is an ancient Tradition. Yeah. In Order, basically for the select board to walk the boundaries that define where, make sure, uh, the boundaries between the communities lie, but it, it evolved into, uh, ensuring the perpetuity of the public ways so that, um, they’re clearly identified, they’re maintained for the public.

1:47:12 And so it’s been some time, uh, we, we had hoped to launch this last year. We simply did not have the bandwidth. Uh, now with the department in place. Um, uh, we have the folks who we can put a focus on this and make it happen. So we are so excited to reestablish this climate under the law and probably a wonderful tradition at the same time. Absolutely. And, you know, our department is involved in community engagement and this is a wonderful way to engage the community. Thank you for doing it. It’s really pleasure. Great. It’s really great. How, how many folks who have signed up so far? Well, we have about 10 folks who are, I’m gonna say waiting in the wings to volunteer. Yeah. I talked to Don Dover today. He said he had over a hundred people and three dogs, um, the last time he did it.

1:48:01 So we’re hoping to bring that crowd back. That Sounds good. Thank you. Yeah. And it’s may, it’s Saturday, May 10th at 10 o’clock. Yes ma’am. Okay. Yeah. For folks who have never done it about 15 years ago when I did it, they split into two different groups. They had one that was downtown on the neck, and you do walk off property, you think private property. Right. And it’s actually town, so that’s, sure. It remains town property. It’s, it’s just amazing these little hidden nooks that you just don’t know about until you go, I did the one, uh, you know, down around the old town, but, and at the time, Harry Richard is looking over and he did the, uh, the one at the next sets that we, we were the only two select board members.

1:48:48 I really highly one because I I went places I could and you can do this anytime And, and I encourage all of you to please come out and enjoy the day with us if you can. Okay. Okay. Yes. Thank you. It My pleasure. Thank you so much. I think I’m on the next agenda item. I don’t know if I should. Okay, Great. Yeah. Um, right. Yes. So I guess, do you just, just, um, just introduce it first? Absolutely. Um, I, I can’t remember the exact date, but I did apply for the Massachusetts Preservation Project Fund mm-hmm. For the Franklin Street Fire Station for 22 Windows, I believe is the 22 Windows. Yes.

1:49:33 Uh, and the application is in the process of being reviewed, we heard back from the Mass Historical Commission in terms of the, uh, preservation restriction agreement, it, um, currently a 10 year agreement that was signed in, um, by the select board in 2022, August of 2022. So in order for those, uh, for the grant to go forward, we need to have that voted in perpetuity so that whatever, uh, renovations and repairs have done, those will be protected in perpetuity versus having to come back and, and revoke in 2032, uh, on this preservation restriction. Okay, great.

1:50:18 So, um, the action for our board is to, uh, authorize, uh, the, uh, notification letter of your packet, um, to the state historic preservation officer.

1:50:37 Oh, okay. Right. So we have to first vote to confirm our intention on like the town’s intention to record the preservation restriction agreement on Franklin Street Firehouse in Marblehead, should the town be awarded a grant from the Massachusetts Preservation Project Fund, and also authorize, uh, the chair to sign that such notification and in a letter on behalf of work. So moved. Second. All those in favor? Okay. You in The Absolutely. See you on the, Okay. So that brings off to collect board and ab

1:51:27 Yeah, sure. If I could. Yeah. It’s, it’s with a, with a heavy heart that we learned, uh, of the passing of Harry Christiansen. Uh, he passed away Easter Sunday. Um, you know, as far as long as I can remember him, he was a pillar of the community, really, truly. So a lawyer in town as well. Um, you know, and he was, uh, also a long serving member selected. So he has been just a, a big presence in town. Another interesting thing, he’s a, you know, he is a Marine Corps, uh, tank command and won the, you know, silver Star recipient in Vietnam. And if you take the time to read his action commendation, it’s really pretty impressive. He just put his life and suppressed

1:52:14 and ambush virtually single handedly with his tank crew. So he was a real hero and, you know, a tireless supporter of all things that

1:52:24 over his entire life. So he was tireless in reminding people to remember, uh, you know, our troops overseas. So that’s with a, with a heavy heart that we have a real, a legend that has, that has moved on to, uh, to, uh, brighter pastors. Yeah. And did both of you serve on the board with him? Yes. Time. Yeah. I mean, different time. That table was actually over there. So I actually sat into that table. Harry sat here, and he purposely would say things that get Judy Jacoby, you know, hair stand, and I would look over at Jim Knight would just smile knowing what he was going to say is gonna upset Judy, and then Jackie just going, oh my God, do I do, you know,

1:53:12 she could not control it. You just didn’t know what, what he was gonna say. Did we say he was a character? He was a character. And at the end of the meeting, at the end of the meeting, you know, he would go home. He would, I, and he’d say, Marsha’s gonna gimme hell when I go home tonight. Then he’d come back and say, Judy, she did. You know? And what was great is even though Judy and, and Harry, you know, d disagree politically, but what I always appreciate about the two of them, I think we can learn a lot about this from town meeting, is there were a lot like Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Antonin skill. They weak, different opposite. They were, they both cared about. Marvel had very, very deeply, they were friends. I mean, she used to buy dresses, his granddaughter. I mean, there’s just a lot of good rapport between the two

1:54:00 of my six years. So I sat there for six years, him and, um, and just, and, and again, he used to live down the street from me, so I knew him. So he’s just, just a wonderful, I learned a lot. But again, he was a character. He’s a legend. They’re never gonna make him like him again. Um, but you know, he served his country. He served his town, and who could ask for anything? So, I, I, to Marsha, to Andrew, to Matthew, and the rest of CIA’s family. Yeah. Amen. Amen. I can say anything more eloquently than the two of you still outspoken. Uh, just, you know, the spirit of volunteerism has lived on the Christian family and Andrew’s been serving on our planning board

1:54:47 for quite a long time also. Yeah. Just great Marblehead family and, um, he will be very much missed. Very much a legend here. So I guess we’ll get details on the, on service. Yeah. Um, okay. And then do you, yeah, well,

1:55:14 yeah, I mean, I, I think, uh, I have condo Okay.

1:55:19 From the board. Yeah, I can Marsha and, and the family. Can we have a motion, uh, to send a letter of condolences to the family, Christen family, um, on the passing of Harry? So, all in favor? Okay.

1:55:40 What’s that? May favor. Thank you. May 3rd. May 3rd is, is visiting hours are on Friday, May 2nd.

1:55:52 Tis and Cornell. Thank you Will. Okay, great. Okay. Um, May 2nd and May 3rd.

1:56:01 Does anybody have anything else to add in terms of select board?

1:56:07 Okay, so that concludes our meeting. We have a motion to aur, so move second. All in favor? Great. Thanks. Got.